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Why is it that girls are considered sluts and guys considered Pros




lol trying to be equal is like a normal guy trying to date Lindsey Lohan, just becuae he's not famous he should have the chance but it will NEVER happen

so girls and guys needs to just forget about it, we all have our advatages and disadvantages.



Honestly i don't think it's that unfair, though it is not completly right either



Heres the thing......Girls can Easily...i mean EASILY!! get their way, they don't have to look good jsut have a body.

generally it's easier for a girl to get laid than a guy,...simply because of guys hormones....IT's easy.
Not all the time i realize that sluts is jsut a name society give them.

but

how many 14 year girls do you know dating 18 and 22 year olds? ....uuuh like half the population. girls girls have the Power they can do that.

but how many 14year old Guys do you know dating women 7 to 10 years odler than them?...uuuh not many.

Girls are more likely to be loyal to their husband than guys and sicne their hormornes are that high they can easily reject sex even if they are in the mood.





THink about it this way

with a guy he can't even ask a girl he's known for years to have sex ...just once!! he's been waitng patently respecting her and all and he gets rejected like a gothic trying to enter a American beauty contest

while a girl can meet a guy who is married has a girlfriend is a teacher or engaged meet them for 5 minutes and have sex......Just like that.

So why should a girl be considered a pro if they can do it so easily?


even hot guys can't score with other HOT GIRLS as a matter of fact they can't even score with some ugly girls, becuase most ugly girls have high standards and better morales.
some ugly girls accept it and tell her friends she ahd sex witha preppy guy. but it's mroe of the vise versa


NOW a HOT GIRL, now it;s a whole new ball game

They can sleep with an ugly guy.......with ZERO resistence, they can't alwas get guys becuase some guys are loyal too but the majority can.

::SIGH:: i rest my case

that is why having sex with a teacher.....guys should win a a freakin Medal!



bottom line it's ntor gith to call girls sluts. it's not rigth at all guys can have sex and talk about to their friends with no problems as with girls thy have sex with a guy, if she says too much there will be gossip.

NO one is saying it is right


i'm just explaining WHY they are called what they are

And your point is...?

dude whats with all the spaces between lines?...

Aww, did your crush turn you down?

You have a lot to learn, little boy. I can tell that you haven't been out in the real world yet.

when you grow up enough to find out there is more to relationships than sex come back and talk to us, in the meantime stick with your fantasies and tissues, but dont confuse teenage angst and hormones with rational insight on life the universe and everything ;)

What the hell are you on about, that was a very pointless story, especially the bit about the teacher...

How puzzling...

Why is it that girls are considered sluts and guys considered Pros
'cause society is just plain wacko :(

'cause society is just plain wacko :(

Actually, it's just because men have stupid double standards.

Actually, it's just because men have stupid double standards.
stupid double standards? :confused:

Actually, it's just because men have stupid double standards.
To be fair, it's not quite all men, and there are women who are complicit (knowingly or unknowingly) in this sort of thing. :(

stupid double standards? :confused:

Women who have sex with lots of different people are "sluts" or "whores", while men who have sex with lots of different people are viewed as champions or heroes. Double standard.

To be fair, it's not quite all men, and there are women who are complicit (knowingly or unknowingly) in this sort of thing. :(

I didn't say ALL men. ;) But yes- nothing is fair- and people, in general, suck. We can just put it that way. :P

I didn't say ALL men. ;) But yes- nothing is fair- and people, in general, suck. We can just put it that way. :P
Well, yeah, I kinda knew you didn't mean all men, but I just felt I'd better clarify before someone pounced. :p

Women who have sex with lots of different people are "sluts" or "whores", while men who have sex with lots of different people are viewed as champions or heroes. Double standard.
I see.

Okay......

*backs away slowly*

Hey...here's an idea: women are people too, and deserve to be treated as such, instead of lumped into categories and treated as sex objects! What a novel concept!

Girls, in general, are considered as sluts. If they have sex with more than one guy during their teenage years they are sluts. And if a girl turns you down, she's a slut. (something that has always confused me a lot)

Were you drunk when you wrote that?

who really cares?! people can call me a slut all they want, I know it's not true, people only get upset about things that they think are true so a woman is only gonna get upset about being called a slut if she thinks it's true, and if that happens she should reconsider her lifestyle, someone calling her a slut has actually done her a favour

If you ask me, this thread should really be shut down. Its very pointless and has excessive use of the word "slut". moderator intervention required.

If you ask me, this thread should really be shut down. Its very pointless and has excessive use of the word "slut". moderator intervention required.
excessive use of the word slut?! that's no reason to lock a thread! it's not like we're using it to flame people and it isn't a swear word!

If you ask me, this thread should really be shut down. Its very pointless and has excessive use of the word "slut". moderator intervention required.
I don't think it's pointless. It is a problem that every single teenager has to face in some point. The word slut (or whore) is the main problem, you can't really discuss about it without using those words.

Tink may not be a RL slut, but she sure is one heck of a fluffle slut. Keep it up!!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

It's a good thing. I promise.

Tink may not be a RL slut, but she sure is one heck of a fluffle slut. Keep it up!!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

It's a good thing. I promise.
Fluffle slut is the good kind of slut :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Yay for fluffle slu--- errr... not sluts.... Fluffle BABES!!!! :D :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Girls are more likely to be loyal to their husband than guys.

I don't know about you, but i don't too many guys that have husbands.

I don't know about you, but i don't too many guys that have husbands.
you're just going to the wrong bars

It may be a double standard to judge differently by gender those who have a lot of casual sex - but to be fair, you have to factor in the degree of difficulty.

Even a very plain looking girl can get laid within 15 minutes by simply walking down to the pub and announcing: "alright... who wants to have a go?"

In comparison - even the most rich, handsome and powerful men still have to expend a great bit of effort and time to get laid.

So... a girl being promiscuous can be seen as a form of gluttony - it's as easy as pie. Conversely, for men it's a reflection of their skill in attaining a sometimes difficult objective.

Or in the U.s. Gay Marriage isn't legal in most states. That might be why.

It may be a double standard to judge differently by gender those who have a lot of casual sex - but to be fair, you have to factor in the degree of difficulty.

Even a very plain looking girl can get laid within 15 minutes by simply walking down to the pub and announcing: "alright... who wants to have a go?"

In comparison - even the most rich, handsome and powerful men still have to expend a great bit of effort and time to get laid.

So... a girl being promiscuous can be seen as a form of gluttony - it's as easy as pie. Conversely, for men it's a reflection of their skill in attaining a sometimes difficult objective.
I'm a girl, i havn't got laid in months, it ain't that easy

Or in the U.s. Gay Marriage isn't legal in most states. That might be why.
but they can go do all the church blessing stuff and practically get married

Why is it that girls are considered sluts and guys considered Pros ...Heres the thing......Girls can Easily...i mean EASILY!! get their way, they don't have to look good jsut have a body. generally it's easier for a girl to get laid than a guy,...simply because of guys hormones....IT's easy. ... how many 14 year girls do you know dating 18 and 22 year olds? ....uuuh like half the population. girls girls have the Power they can do that.
Your thread was a little rambly and incoherent, so I'm assuming that perhaps you're disillusioned with the obvious, superficial gender equality that you're experiencing at school. I'll make it clear to you. Basically, the answer to your rhetoric is that girls who use their body to obtain goals are little more than domestic animals. I could go all whinging-sympathiser here, but I won't. The distinction must be made between girls who use their body to get what they want, and girls who use their intelligence and character.
In our cultural hangover of patriachal sexism, guys can happily pursue sexual encounters with little chance of disapproval. Girls are, even now, still not allowed this freedom from social constraints. Subsequently, the sexual conquest of a girl is seen as a valued prize. Through a history of women having only their sexuality to bargain favours from men, women too have come to value their sexuality as a prize to be doled out economically. To give up the sexual prize to every guy who looks at you is to devalue yourself. You're hot stuff when you're brand new (virginal), but if you're pre-loved, your value is less, and you're labelled a slut. I hope that answers your first question. Maybe this sex-value thing will change over the next few decades. One can only hope.
Your assumption that girls can easily get their way because they have female bodies is not entirely accurate. It applies only to those girls who are willing to whore themselves to achieve their goals. This isn't evidence of power in female sexuality, but merely whoring manipulation. If you can look past the tacky makeup and polyester Supre ensemble, you'll see that. Girls who choose to rely exlusively on that aspect of their person to achive their goals are not well-rounded or interesting. They know their chief value lies in their pussy, at the expence of their intelligence and personality.
14 year old girls who date guys in their 20s are getting the following deal: A partner who will dominate them socially and sexually, who might buy them off with presents, and who probably is avoided by women his own age because he's a freakin' paedophile who likes 14 year old little girls. Alternatively, the guy in his 20s is getting: Someone he can control because he's got no idea how adult relationships work and is frequently regected by potential adult partners, someone possibly disease free, and someone who is too young and naive to complain much when she's raped. I remember in high school when girls with older guys seemed so much cooler than the rest of us, but from the perspective of an adult, that 14 year old is just some stupid kid, and that 20-something guy is some freak that no sane adult woman would touch. That 14 year old kid isn't demonstrating any power through having a female body. She's just a stupid victim.
Girls are more likely to be loyal to their husband than guys and sicne their hormornes are that high they can easily reject sex even if they are in the mood.
You've swallowed the myth that women are non-sexual beings unless they are "in the mood." When you finish puberty and meet a few women, that will change.
with a guy he can't even ask a girl he's known for years to have sex ...just once!! he's been waitng patently respecting her and all and he gets rejected like a gothic trying to enter a American beauty contest...while a girl can meet a guy who is married has a girlfriend is a teacher or engaged meet them for 5 minutes and have sex......Just like that.
Firstly, if this guy's "respecting" this girl for all this time, with no other motive than to get some pussy, he's a shallow idiot. Sex is not something to be traded, whether it be for respect or a The Price Is Right Prize Showcase. The whole trade in sex is what lead to the sex-value-devalue-slut thing I mentioned earlier. Sex is something people do, either for love or for just plain fun. It's not something that you buy, unless you're that despo 20-something freak I also mentioned earlier. Only horny, pimply, awkward teenagers fall for that drivel about the poor guy who couldn't get laid 'cause all his "respecting" wasn't good enough for the girl. It's a myth.
even hot guys can't score with other HOT GIRLS as a matter of fact they can't even score with some ugly girls, becuase most ugly girls have high standards and better morales.
some ugly girls accept it and tell her friends she ahd sex witha preppy guy. but it's mroe of the vise versa.
Being hot doesn't really correlate with being an easy root. I knew lots of people at my school who were attractive and not having sex. (Yes, it was a state school, so there were no religious morals enforced). Your tendency to classify people in such blatantly offensive ways is probably why the girl you were "respecting" turned you down. You seem to be seeing the world in a shallow, black and white manner. Hot vs Ugly, Girls vs Guys.
NOW a HOT GIRL, now it;s a whole new ball game ... They can sleep with an ugly guy.......with ZERO resistence, they can't alwas get guys becuase some guys are loyal too but the majority can. Some more of the same.
bottom line it's ntor gith to call girls sluts. it's not rigth at all guys can have sex and talk about to their friends with no problems as with girls thy have sex with a guy, if she says too much there will be gossip. I agree, but I think that your language speaks volumes about your attitude toward it. When you stop labelling those sexually active guys as "pros" and those sexually active girls as "sluts," you start changing your reactions to the behaviour, because you're rejecting the social norms that have imposed themselves on sexual behaviour.
i'm just explaining WHY they are called what they are. You haven't actually explained anything. Your post was a jumbled, incoherent mess, which posed not explanations, but scenarios and rhetorical questions. Best of luck in your future posts.

I'm a girl, i havn't got laid in months, it ain't that easy

I guarantee you. Go down to pub and ask the first decent looking guy you see if he wants to come back to your place for a little nookie. I estimate a 95% chance of success.

I guarantee you. Go down to pub and ask the first decent looking guy you see if he wants to come back to your place for a little nookie. I estimate a 95% chance of success.
i very much doubt it

I guarantee you. Go down to pub and ask the first decent looking guy you see if he wants to come back to your place for a little nookie. I estimate a 95% chance of success.
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I'm a girl, i havn't got laid in months, it ain't that easy
Hey, can i fix that for you? :D

Wait....

damn. i'm thousands of miles away :(

oh well.

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i very much doubt it

I think you may be grossly over-estimating the minimum standards possessed by the average man when it comes to suitable sex-partners.

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WTF?!

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woah! that's awesome!

I never really have any problems with getting women due to the fact that I'm always being approached. The fault may lie in the fact that I live in Miami, a city filled with highly promiscuous people, women and men alike. The thing that puzzles me is I'm never hit on by females my age, I'm constantly being invited back to the places of 30-40 year old women that I've just met in the supermarket or at the gym and I'm only 17! I seriously do not understand why girls my age aren't interested :confused:

Hey, can i fix that for you?

Wait....

damn. i'm thousands of miles away

oh well.

lol :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

WTF?!
Thats what they get. They should be nice to Tink. Althugh she is addmittidely very attractive, and would likely make a great sex partner, that was not the nicest thing to say.
woah! that's awesome!
:D

Your thread was a little rambly and incoherent, so I'm assuming that perhaps you're disillusioned with the obvious, superficial gender equality that you're experiencing at school. I'll make it clear to you.
--snip--
You haven't actually explained anything. Your post was a jumbled, incoherent mess, which posed not explanations, but scenarios and rhetorical questions. Best of luck in your future posts.

ALL PRAISE TO BOODICKA!

I was NOT looking forward to posting a positive-spin rebuke to this poor hormone-addled boy's wandering. You did it with grace, style and most importantly, tact -- all while putting him firmly in his place.

BRAVO!

And to the original poster: what Boodicka said.

I think you may be grossly over-estimating the minimum standards possessed by the average man when it comes to suitable sex-partners.
if they were that desperate i would've had more than one (very pathetic) offer to get laid in the last few months

lol :fluffle:
Kewl! :D :cool: :D

:fluffle: :p :fluffle:

I guarantee you. Go down to pub and ask the first decent looking guy you see if he wants to come back to your place for a little nookie. I estimate a 95% chance of success.
I for one would not have sex with tink. I think she is extremely attractive, and a whole lot of fun besides that. Yet I still wouldn't. Why? Lots of reasons, I'm in a long term relationship, I belive sex out of wedlock is a sin, and various others. It may be easier (may be not is) for attractive women to get laid, but that does not make it easy for them to get laid, especially not by a decent looking guy, with morals, and who attracts her(this being the most important of those, let her pick her guys).

Did I just post seroius? :eek:

Hey Tink come here :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I'm lost...

But then again, there are people who like airheads like this Hilton chick.

Personally I think sex is over-rated and well, it's everywhere, it's like beating a dead horse.. it's usually just cheap anymore, nothing special or romantic, the way it's usually sold is just in-out-bye, or take any movie, the usual events that lead to sex are "Let's fuck". Bah...

Sure, I could get far with just the body, but why would I want to be like Hilton, Gellar or Pam Anderson?

if they were that desperate i would've had more than one (very pathetic) offer to get laid in the last few months
Unfortunately men are too scared even to talk to very attractive (or HOT like the starter said) girls. Only when they are wasted they have enough courage (to be very pathetic). This frustration often leads to the "she's a slut"-conclusion.

I belive sex out of wedlock is a sin,
:(

I never really have any problems with getting women due to the fact that I'm always being approached. The fault may lie in the fact that I live in Miami, a city filled with highly promiscuous people, women and men alike. The thing that puzzles me is I'm never hit on by females my age, I'm constantly being invited back to the places of 30-40 year old women that I've just met in the supermarket or at the gym and I'm only 17! I seriously do not understand why girls my age aren't interested :confused:


Dude, I'm sorry, but girls in your state have the worst fashion sense and music tastes I have ever met. Florida girls need to be banned already!

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The thing that puzzles me is I'm never hit on by females my age, I'm constantly being invited back to the places of 30-40 year old women that I've just met in the supermarket or at the gym and I'm only 17! I seriously do not understand why girls my age aren't interested :confused:

I'll have a guess, and it's a bit of a generalization, but here goes:

You're 17. You're likely reasonably hot, nice body, whatever. Okay. The 17-year-old girls aren't interested because they want the material advantage of the older sugar-daddy types who get all weak-kneed at jailbait girls who are easy to buy off and not smarter than they are (see Boodicka's excellent post for more elaboration).

The 30-40 year-olds are likely married or divorced or jaded in some other way that makes them long for the simple rutting that you potentially represent. Minimal commitment, minimal maintenance, maximum shagging.

Make sense?

if they were that desperate i would've had more than one (very pathetic) offer to get laid in the last few months

Exactly my point. You are waiting for them to make the offer. I am saying that if you make the offer your success rate would astonish you.

I belive sex out of wedlock is a sin, and various others. It may be easier (may be not is) for attractive women to get laid, but that does not make it easy for them to get laid, especially not by a decent looking guy, with morals, and who attracts her(this being the most important of those, let her pick her guys).



Wait, what if you intend to marry? Am I still sinning?

Dude, I'm sorry, but girls in your state have the worst fashion sense and music tastes I have ever met. Florida girls need to be banned already!

I can agree to that! They're also not that intelligent either and wear lots of fake fingernails and weaves...I HATE weaves. I can't beWEAVE it! I just saw WEAVEy Wonder and Sigourney WEAVEr!

Unfortunately men are too scared even to talk to very attractive (or HOT like the starter said) girls. Only when they are wasted they have enough courage (to be very pathetic). This frustration often leads to the "she's a slut"-conclusion.
well they don't need to talk to a very attractive/hot girl, they only need to talk to me! i'd start hanging around drunk guys more except drunk guys don't exactly turn me on *sigh* i guess i'm just destined to be alone forever

Exactly my point. You are waiting for them to make the offer. I am saying that if you make the offer your success rate would astonish you.
The problem is the offer. If Tink walks up to someone and just says "Let's fuck", I doubt the success rate would skyrocket. I know I would decline.... Well actually I'd try to talk to her first.

Wait, what if you intend to marry? Am I still sinning?
The way I see it.... yes. But that is just my opinion, you are welcome todo whatever you want, I'm not ehre to force my views on others.

I'll have a guess, and it's a bit of a generalization, but here goes:

You're 17. You're likely reasonably hot, nice body, whatever. Okay. The 17-year-old girls aren't interested because they want the material advantage of the older sugar-daddy types who get all weak-kneed at jailbait girls who are easy to buy off and not smarter than they are (see Boodicka's excellent post for more elaboration).

The 30-40 year-olds are likely married or divorced or jaded in some other way that makes them long for the simple rutting that you potentially represent. Minimal commitment, minimal maintenance, maximum shagging.

Make sense?

Yes that does fit together quite nicely, I would also like to factor in the aspect of my intellectual capacity. My intelligence turns girls off because I can't have a conversation about mindless drivel for more than 0.68 seconds, and that's mostly what girls down here talk about.

Tink, my recommendation is to try hanging around your nearest college for awhile. The eligible and intelligent bachelors will be close, and in no specific age range (15 year old geniuses to 35 year old master's students). I suggest pot smoking as a way of loosening the inhibitions of one that you are interested in. Booze just equates too many problems, and there really isn't anything un-sexy that can be said when stoned. Anywho, that seems to work for some people.

Exactly my point. You are waiting for them to make the offer. I am saying that if you make the offer your success rate would astonish you.
well, i refuse to go up to a guy and say "fancy a shag love?" so i guess i'll just stick to being on my own and waiting for an offer

The way I see it.... yes. But that is just my opinion, you are welcome todo whatever you want, I'm not ehre to force my views on others.


Cool, because I'm definitely going to marry Gum Tree.

well, i refuse to go up to a guy and say "fancy a shag love?" so i guess i'll just stick to being on my own and waiting for an offer

Now, see, if you said that, I would have sex with you in a heartbeat. If a random girl came up to me and said, "Wanna fuck?" I'd probably repeat that and add off on the end. It's all in how you say it.

Tink, my recommendation is to try hanging around your nearest college for awhile. The eligible and intelligent bachelors will be close, and in no specific age range (15 year old geniuses to 35 year old master's students). I suggest pot smoking as a way of loosening the inhibitions of one that you are interested in. Booze just equates too many problems, and there really isn't anything un-sexy that can be said when stoned. Anywho, that seems to work for some people.
i went to college for a few months and had no luck whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about getting no action, I'm perfectly happy to wait until i'm in a relationship with a nice guy and i'm not about to make him smoke pot so i can seduce him

well they don't need to talk to a very attractive/hot girl, they only need to talk to me! i'd start hanging around drunk guys more except drunk guys don't exactly turn me on *sigh* i guess i'm just destined to be alone forever
hehe attention seeker...Haven't Pure Metal etc not said enough compliments today? ;)
You know you're attractive.

but if you still live in some small village (can't remember) I'm afraid that your problem won't be solved in near future. Unfortunately none of those 5 boys living in the area are not going to transform into knight in shining armor over one night.

...and i'm not about to make him smoke pot so i can seduce him
Drat

Yes that does fit together quite nicely, I would also like to factor in the aspect of my intellectual capacity. My intelligence turns girls off because I can't have a conversation about mindless drivel for more than 0.68 seconds, and that's mostly what girls down here talk about.
krrrhmm...or maybe it's your annoying attitude towards girls?

Hahahahahaha, this kid is such a fag. The threadstarter, i mean.

hehe attention seeker...Haven't Pure Metal etc not said enough compliments today? ;)
You know you're attractive.

but if you still live in some small village (can't remember) I'm afraid that your problem won't be solved in near future. Unfortunately none of those 5 boys living in the area are not going to transform into knight in shining armor over one night.
attention seeker?! moi?! you've got me all wrong :p
(and i really do think i'm rather plain looking but we shall say no more about that)


not even in a small village, it's literally in the middle of nowhere, but i still spend most of my time in Blackpool which is a big town, i guess i just don't really get to meet new people cause i'm not at school anymore and i don't have a job yet, things will probably (hopefully) change for the better when i go off to uni

Drat
lol, i said i wouldn't make him smoke pot, if he wants to he can, as long as he has some chuddy gum handy

krrrhmm...or maybe it's your annoying attitude towards girls?

No my dear, I would not say it is an "annoying attitude". It is an opinion which I obtained from countless observations and experiences pertaining to the subjects that females located IN MY AREA(not in general) converse about. I have a large amount of respect for females, I slap guys who call them "bitches" or "whores". The girls around my age here are quite ignorant(same goes for the guys) due to the lack of education in the public schools and over exposure to popular media.

how does one person know so much about all this :fluffle: :fluffle: lark.

well, i refuse to go up to a guy and say "fancy a shag love?" so i guess i'll just stick to being on my own and waiting for an offer

There you go. That's why men have that extra degree of difficulty - most women have standards much higher than men. It really has nothing to do with morality or ethics - it's all about biological reproduction strategies.

A woman can produce a very limited number of children in her lifetime. A man, however, has almost no limitation on his number of offspring. The best reproductive strategy for a man is to impregnate as many as possible as often as possible. The best reproduction strategy for a woman is to pick very carefully the man who will provide seed and support.

Even though these strategies are moot for purely recreational sex, it doesn't matter. These urges are hard-wired into us and effect our sexual behavior.

lol, i said i wouldn't make him smoke pot, if he wants to he can, as long as he has some chuddy gum handy
;)

But I wouldn't smoke it, if I was your bf.

No my dear ....
Dude. You are 17. What do you know?

i went to college for a few months and had no luck whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about getting no action, I'm perfectly happy to wait until i'm in a relationship with a nice guy and i'm not about to make him smoke pot so i can seduce him


I just like pot. Scivvy stoner that I am. I don't know. But wait, are you off in England? I know there are eligible (albeit cruder) bachelors over here, but I'm not too sure of what's going on there. Do you live in a city setting? Better luck there, usually.

not even in a small village, it's literally in the middle of nowhere, but i still spend most of my time in Blackpool which is a big town, i guess i just don't really get to meet new people cause i'm not at school anymore and i don't have a job yet, things will probably (hopefully) change for the better when i go off to uni
It does help. Most of the guys I've been in a relationship (or just dated) with, I've met in school or through friends. But few relationships have also started when I started to talk to a total stranger in a pub.

hmmm...I started to talk...there's something in it...When strangers talk to me, nothing ever happens. I'm never interested.

;)

But I wouldn't smoke it, if I was your bf.
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@Kejott
So you're the only intellectual person in your area?
You know, eventhough if this is true, it's not a good idea to ever say that out loud.

Dude. You are 17. What do you know?

Haha, and how old are you? Age can't possibly be an indication in all circumstances of intelligence. I'm constantly underestimated and whisked aside and considered a "stupid teen" when people in actuality have no clue who I am or what I am capable of accomplishing. I've been through a lot of shit in my 17 years of life and I have learned lessons from them. The education I recieved is far superior than the public educational system. Those two factors alone are what allow me to fabricate an opinion worth taking seriously.

It does help. Most of the guys I've been in a relationship (or just dated) with, I've met in school or through friends. But few relationships have also started when I started to talk to a total stranger in a pub.

hmmm...I started to talk...there's something in it...When strangers talk to me, nothing ever happens. I'm never interested.
I don't have the confidence to go up to a guy and just start talking to him

attention seeker?! moi?! you've got me all wrong :p
(and i really do think i'm rather plain looking but we shall say no more about that)


not even in a small village, it's literally in the middle of nowhere, but i still spend most of my time in Blackpool which is a big town, i guess i just don't really get to meet new people cause i'm not at school anymore and i don't have a job yet, things will probably (hopefully) change for the better when i go off to uni
MIddle of nowwhere? The state I live in is bigger than your entire country yet home to barely two million peolple. When I am at home instead of in the dorms, I can look out my back window and count cows(15 last I was home), prarie dogs(I lied to many to count), and trees(0). You live next to howhere. I live right smack dab in the middle of it. Especially at home, where I move back to in a month,. Then up a mountain to live in a tent for two months. Fun but nowhere. You're welcome to fly over and visit me though. You'd be suprised how much fun you can have in nowhere ;)

Haha, and how old are you? Age can't possibly be an indication in all circumstances of intelligence. I'm constantly underestimated and whisked aside and considered a "stupid teen" when people in actuality have no clue who I am or what I am capable of accomplishing. I've been through a lot of shit in my 17 years of life and I have learned lessons from them. The education I recieved is far superior than the public educational system. Those two factors alone are what allow me to fabricate an opinion worth taking seriously.
When you're 34 you understand why they don't take you seriously. (but "stupid teen" is unnecessary and annoying judgement by anyone)

@Kejott
So you're the only intellectual person in your area?
You know, eventhough if this is true, it's not a good idea to ever say that out loud.

I wouldn't say it to imply self promotion or to rub it in people's faces, I was merely trying to offer explanations to my problem. When did I ever say I was the ONLY intellectual person in my area? Never. Your continued predilection towards irrelivancy is quite entertaining, yet highly illogical especially when used to generate an argument. I am NOT trying to say I'm this superior person or I know everything. I'm NOT trying to put people down, I am merely stating what I have seen, and I've seen a lot of what I've talked about previously to support my opinion.

I don't have the confidence to go up to a guy and just start talking to him
understandable. liquor helps.

Haha, and how old are you? Age can't possibly be an indication in all circumstances of intelligence. I'm constantly underestimated and whisked aside and considered a "stupid teen" when people in actuality have no clue who I am or what I am capable of accomplishing. I've been through a lot of shit in my 17 years of life and I have learned lessons from them. The education I recieved is far superior than the public educational system. Those two factors alone are what allow me to fabricate an opinion worth taking seriously.
I'm 20. And a lesson I've learned is that having your nose 200 miles up in the air doesn't get you anywhere if you're still a kid. And you are still a kid. Like me

I wouldn't say it to imply self promotion or to rub it in people's faces, I was merely trying to offer explanations to my problem. When did I ever say I was the ONLY intellectual person in my area? Never. Your continued predilection towards irrelivancy is quite entertaining, yet highly illogical especially when used to generate an argument. I am NOT trying to say I'm this superior person or I know everything. I'm NOT trying to put people down, I am merely stating what I have seen, and I've seen a lot of what I've talked about previously to support my opinion.
LOL! You should read this post in a couple of years. You'll laugh your ass off

I don't have the confidence to go up to a guy and just start talking to him
It is a bit hard for me too. I'm not shy, but when I fancy someone I'm like a (pre)teenager again. But these people just looked like they'd be interesting persons. I didn't fancy them, I didn't try to seduce them, just have an interesting conversation. And interesting conversation is a turn-on and I started to fancy them and vice versa.

LOL! You should read this post in a couple of years. You'll laugh your ass off

Live in Miami for 7 years and live amoungst the local people and go to a Miami highschool and hang around these teens. Then come back to this post and you'll laugh your ass off.

Live in Miami for 7 years and live amoungst the local people and go to a Miami highschool and hang around these teens. Then come back to this post and you'll laugh your ass off.
Doesn't matter where I live. I was the exact same way a couple of years back.

Don't dillude yourself with the idea that you are the only one. Or the worst one. Or that you have it bad.

I wouldn't say it to imply self promotion or to rub it in people's faces, I was merely trying to offer explanations to my problem. When did I ever say I was the ONLY intellectual person in my area? Never. Your continued predilection towards irrelivancy is quite entertaining, yet highly illogical especially when used to generate an argument. I am NOT trying to say I'm this superior person or I know everything. I'm NOT trying to put people down, I am merely stating what I have seen, and I've seen a lot of what I've talked about previously to support my opinion.
"The girls around my age here are quite ignorant(same goes for the guys) due to the lack of education in the public schools and over exposure to popular media."
The girls and guys are ignorant. How should I read your sentence not to get that idea?

I know what you're trying to say. I'm trying to say to you that it doesn't matter how you say it, it always sounds annoying.

It is a bit hard for me too. I'm not shy, but when I fancy someone I'm like a (pre)teenager again. But these people just looked like they'd be interesting persons. I didn't fancy them, I didn't try to seduce them, just have an interesting conversation. And interesting conversation is a turn-on and I started to fancy them and vice versa.
i never even go to bars though, i spend most of my social life at the cinema and McDonalds or at my friends' houses, i never come across guys that look like they would be interesting to talk to (except my geeks, but nothing is ever going to happen there)

Haha, and how old are you? Age can't possibly be an indication in all circumstances of intelligence. I'm constantly underestimated and whisked aside and considered a "stupid teen" when people in actuality have no clue who I am or what I am capable of accomplishing. I've been through a lot of shit in my 17 years of life and I have learned lessons from them. The education I recieved is far superior than the public educational system. Those two factors alone are what allow me to fabricate an opinion worth taking seriously.

I thought the exact same thing that you do when I was 17, and I know now that I know a helluva lot more now than I did then, even though I thought I knew it all at the time.

I'm not saying that you don't know anything, because I did know a little while I was 17, I'm just saying that you're going to know a lot more by the time you're 10 years older (like me, I'm 27).

i never even go to bars though, i spend most of my social life at the cinema and McDonalds or at my friends' houses, i never come across guys that look like they would be interesting to talk to (except my geeks, but nothing is ever going to happen there)
A bar is possibly the worst place ever to pick anyone up. Well in my opinion anyway

A bar is possibly the worst place ever to pick anyone up. Well in my opinion anyway
i agree, but i really don't meet guys anywhere

Doesn't matter where I live. I was the exact same way a couple of years back.

Don't dillude yourself with the idea that you are the only one. Or the worst one. Or that you have it bad.

I see what you are saying, and I certainly don't think I'm all that and a bag of chips. I'm the only homeschooled person I know and it upsets me that I can't find common ground with anyone in person, just on the internet. There are of course intelligent people everywhere, but the average majority is so massive that the location of these individuals becomes an extremely improbable task. I certainly don't think I have it the worst, and I do not think I'm the best. I just wish that the public education system was much, much better and the parents of these kids had some common fucking sense.

@tink
Guys still won't come up to you?! :(

Alright. That's it! I'm coming over there! I'll take you for myself, and show those guys what they're missing out on! :D

Might have to wait until I'm the prez of the PE, though. :(

i agree, but i really don't meet guys anywhere
I hardly ever meet people by just starting to talk. Almost everyone I know I met through friends/family/bands/whatever. So just get your friends to introduce you to lots of people.

@tink
Guys still won't come up to you?! :(

Alright. that's it! I'm coming over there! I'll take you for myself, and show those guys what they're missin' out on! :D

Might have to wait untill i'm the prez of the PE, though. :(
nope, still all alone :( (i did get hit on a couple of days ago, but it was the worst pickup line i've ever heard in my life and worthy of a good slap)



i can wait, not like anything better is gonna be coming my way any time soon

I thought the exact same thing that you do when I was 17, and I know now that I know a helluva lot more now than I did then, even though I thought I knew it all at the time.

I'm not saying that you don't know anything, because I did know a little while I was 17, I'm just saying that you're going to know a lot more by the time you're 10 years older (like me, I'm 27).

Yep, I hear ya. I will most certainly know more in 10 years, but even now I can outsmart and outclass some adults. I can hold my own in an argument with college professors on something like cosmology or aerodynamics, but if there's something I HATE it's adults constantly trying to tell me I'm more ignorant than I think I am. It is insulting to my intelligence and it makes me want to freakin scream.

I see what you are saying, and I certainly don't think I'm all that and a bag of chips. I'm the only homeschooled person I know and it upsets me that I can't find common ground with anyone in person, just on the internet. There are of course intelligent people everywhere, but the average majority is so massive that the location of these individuals becomes an extremely improbable task. I certainly don't think I have it the worst, and I do not think I'm the best. I just wish that the public education system was much, much better and the parents of these kids had some common fucking sense.
:rolleyes: and :rolleyes:

I hardly ever meet people by just starting to talk. Almost everyone I know I met through friends/family/bands/whatever. So just get your friends to introduce you to lots of people.
my friends all know the same people though, i'll be going to uni in September hopefully so i should get to meet plenty of new people then

Yep, I hear ya. I will most certainly know more in 10 years, but even now I can outsmart and outclass some adults. I can hold my own in an argument with college professor on something like cosmology or aerodynamics, but if there's something I HATE it's adults constantly trying to tell me I'm more ignorant than I think I am. It is insulting to my intelligence and it makes me want to freakin scream.
Ignorant about life, young padawan.

nope, still all alone :( (i did get hit on a couple of days ago, but it was the worst pickup line i've ever heard in my life and worthy of a good slap)



i can wait, not like anything better is gonna be coming my way any time soon
Awww... here. have a few tongue fluffles to cheer you up!

:fluffle: :p :fluffle: :fluffle: :p :fluffle: :fluffle: :p :fluffle:

...it was the worst pickup line i've ever heard in my life and worthy of a good slap...

Do tell! I love bad pick-up lines! Please!

my friends all know the same people though, i'll be going to uni in September hopefully so i should get to meet plenty of new people then
You'd be surprised. And if you don't meet anyone in Uni....well...... it's impossible.

Awww... here. have a few tongue fluffles to cheer you up!

<snip>
thanks :fluffle: :p :fluffle: :fluffle: :p :fluffle: :fluffle: :p :fluffle

Do tell! I love bad pick-up lines! Please!
"fucking hell! come and sit on my fucking dick bitch!"

You'd be surprised. And if you don't meet anyone in Uni....well...... it's impossible.
if i don't meet anyone at uni i'm coming to Holland ;)

:rolleyes: and :rolleyes:

What do you mean "and"?

If there's a bucket filled with 500 yellow marbles and there's only 60 blue marbles in the same bucket, which color of marble are you most likely going to randomly pick in 10 tries?

if i don't meet anyone at uni i'm coming to Holland ;)
Whoooo! :fluffle:

Whoooo! :fluffle:
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

"fucking hell! come and sit on my fucking dick bitch!"

ugh... I guess I don't like them when they're that bad. I was hoping for something a little more witty. On behalf of men everywhere, I sincerely apologize for that jack-ass.

Haha, and how old are you? Age can't possibly be an indication in all circumstances of intelligence. I'm constantly underestimated and whisked aside and considered a "stupid teen" when people in actuality have no clue who I am or what I am capable of accomplishing. I've been through a lot of shit in my 17 years of life and I have learned lessons from them. The education I recieved is far superior than the public educational system. Those two factors alone are what allow me to fabricate an opinion worth taking seriously.

Agreed that nobody should assume that 17=stupid. Stupidity is something that can only be proven by an individual through their actions and words.

That said, your actual words...which is to say, your vocabulary...is very impressive. Which menas precisely nothing. If this is how you walk up to someone to try and strike up a conversation, you deserve the isolation you've earned. It may even be true that you're smarter than the majority of those around you, but that doesn't make it attractive.

Intelligence without wisdom has the capacity to be everything from mildly annoying to vicious and even deadly. Think of intelligence as an expensive new watch: if you walk around to everyone and announce the time and make a fuss over your watch, people are going to think you're an asshole -- or at least really vain.

Conversely, if you only show the watch when you need to see it or (better yet) when someone ASKS you what time it is, then it becomes something that gets noticed on others' terms. I know of nobody who enjoys being assumed inferior (well...I know they're out there, but still...), and of those who don't enjoy it, many will in fact take offense at it. Do you or did you get picked on or feel socially ostracized? I know I did. And it was because I felt just like you did -- my intelligence made me different and those who didn't understand, agree, or share my level of understanding weren't worth my respect. Well, being twice your age, I grew to understand that intelligence comes in many guises and can knock you on your ass if you assume it's not there.

You feel defensive, I'll wager, at all these older people telling you stuff like this. We only tell you because we've been there. We no more expect you to believe us, respect us or anything of the sort -- it's likely we wouldn't have in your shoes. Intelligence is no substitute for wisdom and consideration. I know that now. I hope you will, too, and sooner in life than I did, because I can still sometimes struggle with this issue.

You're right that age and maturity don't always run parallel -- but they do share a fairly strong correlation.

thanks :fluffle: :p :fluffle: :fluffle: :p :fluffle: :fluffle: :p :fluffle:
You're welcome :fluffle:

ugh... I guess I don't like them when they're that bad. I was hoping for something a little more witty. On behalf of men everywhere, I sincerely apologize for that jack-ass.
he was a chav, i've come to expect it from them, i know other guys aren't like that

What do you mean "and"?

If there's a bucket filled with 500 yellow marbles and there's only 60 blue marbles in the same bucket, which color of marble are you most likely going to randomly pick in 10 tries?
I bolded two parts and I posted 2 rolleyes smilies......err......... :rolleyes:

A person is not a marble. You can't put "blue" or "yellow" labels on people (although it's easier to do so every once in a while). The fact that you dismiss the "average majority" makes you stupid. If you took the time to just listen to them you'd learn that every person is interesting in their own way.

EDIT: sorry if this looks like flaming. I'm not trying to personally attack you Kejott

..And it was because I felt just like you did -- my intelligence made me different and those who didn't understand, agree, or share my level of understanding weren't worth my respect. Well, being twice your age, I grew to understand that intelligence comes in many guises and can knock you on your ass if you assume it's not there...
hear hear. I see it's even more common problem than I thought.

...You can't put "blue" or "yellow" labels on people...

What if they are Papa-Smurf and Bart Simpson? Huh, smartguy?

If you are going to Uni, at least you'll what you've started to critic on the first place...lets at least hope that you find a nice teacher to do it, ok?... :fluffle: ...eheh

What if they are Papa-Smurf and Bart Simpson? Huh, smartguy?
Errr..... well.......err........ you could mix up the labels?

What if they are Papa-Smurf and Bart Simpson? Huh, smartguy?
is it really politically correct to label them and put them into catagories because of the colour of their skin?

In my humble opinion, the more intelligent you are, the harder it is to find someone who both physically and mentally attracts you.

You can't go around using that as an excuse for ever, especially if your opening line in a conversation mentions your IQ, but I would opine that in any relationship worth its salt, you have to be able to TALK to the person that you're kissing.

And that's not rocket science, is it?

is it really politically correct to label them and put them into catagories because of the colour of their skin?

Yeah, it's probably not. It also wouldn't be too nice to put them in a bag and randomly pull one out just to make some strange point about statistics.

Yeah, it's probably not. It also wouldn't be too nice to put them in a bag and randomly pull one out just to make some strange point about statistics.
and it would have to be a really big bag and cloning them might be a problem

and it would have to be a really big bag and cloning them might be a problem
2D cloning is a bitch

"fucking hell! come and sit on my fucking dick bitch!"
you should have put cleats on your ass and then done so.

Yep, I hear ya. I will most certainly know more in 10 years, but even now I can outsmart and outclass some adults. I can hold my own in an argument with college professors on something like cosmology or aerodynamics, but if there's something I HATE it's adults constantly trying to tell me I'm more ignorant than I think I am. It is insulting to my intelligence and it makes me want to freakin scream.

I know exactly what you mean, though I do admit that I think that I was a little ignorant back then, even though I didn't think so. That was kinda the unclear point that I was trying to make, was that we think that we know more than we really do, and we'll see that when we get older. I thought that I knew so much, but not nearly as much as I do now, which I now realize.

Though once again, not saying that you are 100% like that, but I think that a lot of people are. Just keep an open mind, you know?

I bolded two parts and I posted 2 rolleyes smilies......err......... :rolleyes:

A person is not a marble. You can't put "blue" or "yellow" labels on people (although it's easier to do so every once in a while). The fact that you dismiss the "average majority" makes you stupid. If you took the time to just listen to them you'd learn that every person is interesting in their own way.

I can't believe your arrogance..... or superiority complex. I'm not sure.

EDIT: sorry if this looks like flaming. I'm not trying to personally attack you Kejott

haha, calling somebody stupid seems like a personal attack to me :p . Allow me the ability to toss this fun word around. As any intelligent person can clearly see, I wasn't saying people ARE marbles. It wasn't a literal comparison. It was an EXAMPLE of a simple mathematical idea compared to an actual event. As for just listening to people, I used to be quite the troublemaker and those were the type of people I hanged around. Hell I used to illegally prize fight every saturday. I've been around these people, I've been involved with these people. I know how they are like, I know their side of things. I never "ignore" the majority, they just simply annoy me.

this all seems to be about people placing other people into clear and obvious groups and anyone who does so is (in my personal opinion) a moron, if you excuse my saying so. no two people are the same and therefore it is illogical to place them in a group for their similarities.

2D cloning is a bitch
yeah, tell me about it! my army of Mr Men and Little Miss minions were a reall pain in the arse to make!

"they just simply annoy me"

Yeah, I did respect what you had to say Kejott, but (being of a similar age to you) I now am completely put off by your superciliousness.

and it would have to be a really big bag and cloning them might be a problem

Agreed. I have apparently failed to think this thing through. I shouldn't attempt the re-creation of hypothetical statistical analogies when I'm drunk. Last time I did that, my house reeked of monkey-poo and my three typewriters were ruined.

Agreed. I have apparently failed to think this thing through. I shouldn't attempt the re-creation of hypothetical statistical analogies when I'm drunk. Last time I did that, my house reeked of monkey-poo and my three typewriters were ruined.
please carry on, we all need a drunk person to laugh at!

"they just simply annoy me"

Yeah, I did respect what you had to say Kejott, but (being of a similar age to you) I now am completely put off by your superciliousness.

What I have said may appear to be words of disdain, but they are not. They are words of frustration and anger at people in the majority. Just because something is embraced by a large amount of people doesn't make it correct or even acceptable.

please carry on, we all need a drunk person to laugh at!
seconded.

haha, calling somebody stupid seems like a personal attack to me :p . Allow me the ability to toss this fun word around. As any intelligent person can clearly see, I wasn't saying people ARE marbles. It wasn't a literal comparison. It was an EXAMPLE of a simple mathematical idea compared to an actual event. As for just listening to people, I used to be quite the troublemaker and those were the type of people I hanged around. Hell I used to illegally prize fight every saturday. I've been around these people, I've been involved with these people. I know how they are like, I know their side of things. I never "ignore" the majority, they just simply annoy me.
I removed the line just above the EDIT too... That was flaming, I must admit.

And I'm not that good in English. It's only my second language. I have a hard time finding the right words sometimes.

Now on to serious business:
1) Don't patronize. Everyone knows it's just statistics. Well guess what? Statistics and people don't mix. Statistics is the study of how things were and can in no way predict how things will be. They can give a probabillity, but that's about it. PLUS statistics only work for the masses. Never for individuals. I don't know if you have read the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov. If you haven't, please do.
2) You think you know all people because you know a few? That's a load of crap

I removed the line just above the EDIT too... That was flaming, I must admit.

And I'm not that good in English. It's only my second language. I have a hard time finding the right words sometimes.

Now on to serious business:
1) Don't patronize. Everyone knows it's just statistics. Well guess what? Statistics and people don't mix. Statistics is the study of how things were and can in no way predict how things will be. They can give a probabillity, but that's about it. PLUS statistics only work for the masses. Never for individuals. I don't know if you have read the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov. If you haven't, please do.
2) You think you know all people because you know a few? That's a load of crap

I'm gonna have to agree. Statistics are absolutely meaningless.

On an off-topic note... English is your second language? I always thought were English!

please carry on, we all need a drunk person to laugh at!

...come and sit on my... sorry... I mean...

Tink, are you tired? Cause you've been running through my mind all day.

Or...

Tink, you're as beautiful as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda. Wanna see my light sabre?

...come and sit on my... sorry... I mean...

Tink, are you tired? Cause you've been running through my mind all day.

Or...

Tink, you're as beautiful as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda. Wanna see my light sabre?
that's the first time i've heard that one, it's kinda geeky, i like it!

I'm gonna have to agree. Statistics are absolutely meaningless.

On an off-topic note... English is your second language? I always thought were English!
No. I'm very Dutch

No. I'm very Dutch

Well, I wasn't too far off... :p

while a girl can meet a guy who is married has a girlfriend is a teacher or engaged meet them for 5 minutes and have sex......Just like that.
That doesn't quite sound like a realistic situation. I would not have much respect for either of them.

No. I'm very Dutch

Did you lose your legs in a tragic canal accident?

I removed the line just above the EDIT too... That was flaming, I must admit.

And I'm not that good in English. It's only my second language. I have a hard time finding the right words sometimes.

Now on to serious business:
1) Don't patronize. Everyone knows it's just statistics. Well guess what? Statistics and people don't mix. Statistics is the study of how things were and can in no way predict how things will be. They can give a probabillity, but that's about it. PLUS statistics only work for the masses. Never for individuals. I don't know if you have read the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov. If you haven't, please do.
2) You think you know all people because you know a few? That's a load of crap

Your first point is often correct, however your second one is flawed. A person shows who they are truly by their actions. As I have been around possibly thousands of teens and I have observed their actions. What makes you think you are capable thinking with more clarity than me just because you're older than me? I don't think the magical intelligence bunny puts a brain in your head when you turn 20. THAT is a load of crap. The thing that turned me off average public school-attending teens is the fact they consider being smart to be "uncool" and if you are you get treated like dog shit. Also the majority of colleges have rediculous requirements for homeschoolers who want to attend as if WE are the stupid ones. That pisses me off.

That doesn't quite sound like a realistic situation. I would not have much respect for either of them.

Neither would I, but I would still watch.

...come and sit on my... sorry... I mean...

Tink, are you tired? Cause you've been running through my mind all day.

Or...

Tink, you're as beautiful as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda. Wanna see my light sabre?

That would have to be the most creative line I've seen in a while. Cheers!

Your first point is often correct, however your second one is flawed. A person shows who they are truly by their actions. As I have been around possibly thousands of teens and I have observed their actions. What makes you think think with more clarity than me just because you're older than me? I don't think the magical intelligence bunny puts a brain in your head when you turn 20. THAT is a load of crap. The thing that turned me off average public school-attending teens is the fact they consider being smart to be "uncool" and if you are you get treated like dog shit. Also the majority of colleges have rediculous requirements for homeschoolers who want to attend as if WE are the stupid ones. That pisses me off.
You observed thousands of teens? :rolleyes:

I "think with more clarity" because I am openminded

Did you lose your legs in a tragic canal accident?
No. I still have them

No. I still have them

So... you have both legs.... But you are a pirate, right??

You observed thousands of teens? :rolleyes:

I "think with more clarity" because I am openminded

Actually yes, I have observed thousands. What's so outlandish about that? You have most likely seen thousands of people in your lifetime, but don't pay attention to them.

Hey, I've tried to be openminded about this but after constant disappointments it's quite hard having faith in people who don't give you respect for being smart. I totally see your side of the argument, but you don't have an accurate portrayal of what I'm saying.


One more thing: Zet u mayo op frieten?(hope I'm saying it right, I'm a bit rusty.)

Actually, it's just because men have stupid double standards.
Lots of women call other women sluts; it's not all men's fault.

Maybe Women are meant to be ladies and men Cads ~.~

Actually yes, I have observed thousands. What's so outlandish about that? You have most likely seen thousands of people in your lifetime, but don't pay attention to them.

Hey, I've tried to be openminded about this but after constant disappointments it's quite hard having faith in people who don't give you respect for being smart. I totally see your side of the argument, but you don't have an accurate portrayal of what I'm saying.


One more thing: Zet u mayo op frieten?(hope I'm saying it right, I'm a bit rusty.)
LOL! Where the hell did you learn Dutch? (BTW: It's "Doet" and not "Zet")

If by "observing" you mean "I have seen them around" then it's not strange at all and I indeed have. But to me obverving means studying. Talking to them. See what drives them. Only then you get a vague idea on what they are about. Don't label people if you've just seen them pass you by in the hall a couple of times.

I don't know people not giving me respect because I'm smart? Did you pay attention at all to what I have been saying? I know exactly how it is. But intelligence simply isn't the sole reason one should or should not get respect. There are so many factors. Be open.

So... you have both legs.... But you are a pirate, right??
Kind of... :(

Kind of... :(
....but only kind of....

LOL! Where the hell did you learn Dutch? (BTW: It's "Doet" and not "Zet")

If by "observing" you mean "I have seen them around" then it's not strange at all and I indeed have. But to me obverving means studying. Talking to them. See what drives them. Only then you get a vague idea on what they are about. Don't label people if you've just seen them pass you by in the hall a couple of times.

I don't know people not giving me respect because I'm smart? Did you pay attention at all to what I have been saying? I know exactly how it is. But intelligence simply isn't the sole reason one should or should not get respect. There are so many factors. Be open.

Ah I see what you are saying now, very good points. I think I'm actually going to agree with you on this ( :eek: ).

I learned Dutch from my girlfriend. She's from Holland and we used to practice every day. My best language is Japanese though. MUCH better than my Dutch.

Moshi-Moshi! Watashi wa Amerikajin desu! Eigo o hanashimasu ka? :p

Ah I see what you are saying now, very good points. I think I'm actually going to agree with you on this ( :eek: ).

I learned Dutch from my girlfriend. She's from Holland and we used to practice every day. My best language is Japanese though. MUCH better than my Dutch.

Moshi-Moshi! Watashi wa Amerikajin desu! Eigo o hanashimasu ka? :p
I got Moshi Moshi, but that's as far as I get in Japanese.

And YAY! I iz teh r1gHtz0rZ :D :fluffle:

I got Moshi Moshi, but that's as far as I get in Japanese.

And YAY! I iz teh r1gHtz0rZ :D :fluffle:

No! They used the bomb! *gets on knees* They blew us up! Damn them! Damn them all to hellllllllllllllllllll!

That's my losing dance, as opposed to my victory dance. If you can guess where that's from you get a cookie :D

No! They used the bomb! *gets on knees* They blew us up! Damn them! Damn them all to hellllllllllllllllllll!

That's my losing dance, as opposed to my victory dance. If you can guess where that's from you get a cookie :D
Crap...... I want that cookie. :( :headbang:

Blues Brothers? Alice in Wonderland?

Crap...... I want that cookie. :( :headbang:

Blues Brothers? Alice in Wonderland?

Hell no! I guess you need further clues.

"Get your hands off me you damn dirty.....* Fill in the blank.

Your first point is often correct, however your second one is flawed. A person shows who they are truly by their actions.
You are ignoring people like me who use their actions as misdirection. Often my actions directly conflict with my personal opinions or thoughts. Ironically, usually I do so for the express purpose of leading astray people who assume that 'a person shows who they are truly by their actions'. Nice to know the technique still works.

Also, acting less intelligent than you are frequently has direct benefits, for example, not making unnecessary enemies and, if you like that sort of thing, being able to subtly manipulate people for your own advantage. You might be very, very intelligent, but I'd wager you'd be rather bad at poker.

As I have been around possibly thousands of teens and I have observed their actions.
Being around people is not enough to know them. You would probably have gained far, far more information had you sat down and got to know a dozen people, rather than 'observing the actions' of a thousand. There's a lot more to people than just how they act, and even if there wasn't, I seriously doubt you have seen 'around possibly a thousand teens' reacting to every possible scenario, so any judgements you make are terribly limited.

What makes you think you are capable thinking with more clarity than me just because you're older than me? I don't think the magical intelligence bunny puts a brain in your head when you turn 20. THAT is a load of crap.
Because with age comes experience. You won't like it. But, seriously. You're interpersonal skills alone show a huge level of immaturity. You can say 'I don't mean to sound pompous - I'm just stating a fact' as often as you like. An older person would say 'hmm, if I say that, I will sound pompous. I won't say it'.

Maybe you will disagree, but I know exactly which position *I* consider to be more intelligent.

And on a slight tangent, I think that while your homeschooling has obviously lead to you being very intelligent, is does seem to have effected your social skills. I'd suggest you spend a year or two in the dreaded public system, just so you can learn how to deal with people (yes, even the stupid ones), in ways that are more socially 'acceptable' (hate to use the term, and I hope you can understand the point I'm making. It's the one about life being easier for you, not about making other people happy).

The thing that turned me off average public school-attending teens is the fact they consider being smart to be "uncool" and if you are you get treated like dog shit.
That's what school is about - learning to deal with that trivial sort of bullshit in a way that a) doesn't distance you from society, because isolation is unhealthy and b) lets you be happy and not angry/stressed/unhappy because random idiots don't value you.

The thing that older people have the benefit of knowing is that there will always be people like that. Always. You don't get out of school and suddenly find that everyone is all adult and values your intelligence. There will still be people who treat you like dog shit, either because they're insecure, because they honestly think that intelligence is not worth the bother, or, well, just because they can. The adults you speak with may value intelligence highly (from what you've said here, it sounds like you sought out intelligent adults to converse with). They may also simply be impressed at your intelligence, so they keep conversations on intellectual topics. But just as there is no 'magical intelligence bunny [that] puts a brain in your head when you turn 20', there is no 'magical maturity bunny that makes people mature when they hit 20'.

People will always be jerks. You need to learn how to handle that (that's what public schools are good for).

Also the majority of colleges have rediculous requirements for homeschoolers who want to attend as if WE are the stupid ones. That pisses me off.

Would you rather they had low requirements, which would lead to a flood of people choosing homeschooling instead of public schooling just so they could avoid working hard? The requirements aren't high because they think you're stupid. They're high so that the stupid people don't try to bypass the education system altogether.

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Also of note is that I'm 17. I'm not patronizing you (intentionally), and of course my views might be equally flawed as I consider some of yours to be. I guess the difference is that if someone older offers me advice or suggestions on my attitude in this thread, I'll be more inclined to think about what they're suggesting and why, rather than using the fact that they are older as a way to preserve my (possibly) incorrect views.

Moshi-Moshi! Watashi wa Amerikajin desu! Eigo o hanashimasu ka? :p

Anata wa sakana desu.

Hell no! I guess you need further clues.

"Get your hands off me you damn dirty.....* Fill in the blank.
"Animal", right? I know the movie, but I can't name the title :headbang:

I sucked at Jap.

Was good at both french and german, though. Can't remember any of it now, of course...

You know, about 9 times out of 10, I hear the word "slut" being used by a girl to describe another girl... :rolleyes:

Also, the 1 out of 10 times I hear a guys say it, he's right. I very rarely see guys used that word loosely to describe a girl that's only had sex once. Usually it's what he calls a g/f that cheated on him, etc. Typically it's the girls that use that word wayyy out of context. For example a girl that may just be going out with the guy they like can, and probably is a "slut" to them. It doesn't matter if that girl is a virgin or not apparently. :confused:

Anata wa sakana desu.
魚ですか。何魚ですか。

"Animal", right? I know the movie, but I can't name the title :headbang:

*buzzer* Wrong! No cookie for you. The word was "ape". And that quote was from the movie "Planet Of The Apes" Starring Charleston Heston.

*buzzer* Wrong! No cookie for you. The word was "ape". And that quote was from the movie "Planet Of The Apes" Starring Charleston Heston.
Ah crap......I knew that......err...... yeah :rolleyes:

You know, about 9 times out of 10, I hear the word "slut" being used by a girl to describe another girl... :rolleyes:

Also, the 1 out of 10 times I hear a guys say it, he's right. I very rarely see guys used that word loosely to describe a girl that's only had sex once. Usually it's what he calls a g/f that cheated on him, etc. Typically it's the girls that use that word wayyy out of context. For example a girl that may just be going out with the guy they like can, and probably is a "slut" to them. It doesn't matter if that girl is a virgin or not apparently. :confused:

Pish, 'sif a minor thing like 'virginity' has anything to do with being a slut.

Far as I've seen in my circle of friends, 'slut' (and to a lesser extent 'whore') have both been almost entirely severed from sexual behaviour. Both are used pretty much the way 'bitch' is - a girl with a really sucky personality, or who did something unforgivable (sex related or not).

But then, most of my friends see sex as a really minor thing. If someone wants to have lots of sex, more power to them, no matter what the gender. So using 'you have lots of sex' as an insult doesn't exactly work.

魚ですか。何魚ですか。

Maguro desu. :p

Pish, 'sif a minor thing like 'virginity' has anything to do with being a slut.

Far as I've seen in my circle of friends, 'slut' (and to a lesser extent 'whore') have both been almost entirely severed from sexual behaviour. Both are used pretty much the way 'bitch' is - a girl with a really sucky personality, or who did something unforgivable (sex related or not).

But then, most of my friends see sex as a really minor thing. If someone wants to have lots of sex, more power to them, no matter what the gender. So using 'you have lots of sex' as an insult doesn't exactly work.
Well, if a guy calls a virgin girl from here a slut, the rest of the guys would get confused. Over here, at least in my area, the word "prude" is used. But if she's acting like a bitch, then ya, the word slut and whore can be used as synonyms too I guess. But typically that's in a fight between a boyfriend and a girlfriend that that gets said.

Maguro desu. :p
Aasodesu!

Anyway, I'm off to school. GG ;)

Age does have a lot to do with maturity and wisdom, because as you grow older, you gain more experience. The experience may be that you spent all those extra years thinking and sharpening your mind. Perhaps during some of those years, your hubris somehow led to humiliation and failure.

Let's use a partially fictional story as an example.

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Once upon a time, a talented young tailor set up shop in a village. He made quality suits and was very successful. He was intelligent, and he knew that no other tailor could beat him, because his skills, mastered from the days when he was an apprentice, were unmatched

One day, a middle-aged man came along to custom-order a suit. Alas, it was an ignorant man who got all the measures wrong and demanded that the suit be made precisely according to his instructions and with the poor materials he has brought.

The young tailor thought, well, there was no point going against the instructions, and since the man was too foolish to get things right, I should just do as he asked and let him see how much of a fool he was with all his demands. That would show him to never ignore my skills and expertise.

Sure enough, the man came back and took the suit without saying a thing. The young tailor thought it would be amusing to watch the man come back in a day or two to beg for his valuable input.

Well, it turned out that the man was a tailor from a town nearby. Displaying the poorly-made suit with the signature brand name for all the see, the man set up shop and derided the young tailor for his foolishness and arrogance. Within a short amount of time, the young tailor's business failed, not only because of the suit, but also because of the lack of respect he has toward his craft and his clients.

Realizing how unwise he truly was, the young tailor had a valuable lesson in humility and decided to relearn his craft. With the talent he already has, he was able to rebuild his reputation elsewhere years after, through nothing but humble craftsmanship.

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Personally I think sex is over-rated and well, it's everywhere, it's like beating a dead horse...
Sex to you is like beating a dead horse? You have some odd fetishes.
Reminds me of that hoary old joke that I used to be into bondage, necrophillia and bestiality. But I gave it up, cause I felt like I was just flogging a dead horse.

who really cares?! people can call me a slut all they want, I know it's not true, people only get upset about things that they think are true so a woman is only gonna get upset about being called a slut if she thinks it's true, and if that happens she should reconsider her lifestyle, someone calling her a slut has actually done her a favour
Tink, that's not true. People internalise stigma, and it can cause very real psychological harm.

Also, if a woman (or man) fully autonomous and independent, decides to have lots of casual sex, SO WHAT? As long as they're safe and aren't putting themselves or anyone else at risk, it's nobody's business.

"Imagine how it would be, to be at the top making cash and money. Go on tour all around the world, telling stories about all the young girls."

So what are you taking about this time?
*Sigh*

Ok, so we're hypocritical. Big whoop

Ok, so we're hypocritical. Big whoop

"Big whoop"? Yes, it is a big deal. I can tell that you're a young boy, just by what you said. It's nice to see that you have a well informed opinion though. -rolls eyes-

"Big whoop"? Yes, it is a big deal.
Oh? How so? In my experiance ladies hardly hold a high position on not being hypocritical.

*shrugs* Females are highly illogical, but so are the males of the species. :D

Oh? How so? In my experiance ladies hardly hold a high position on not being hypocritical.

*shrugs* [/i]Females are highly illogical/i], but so are the males of the species. :D
Yeah, and we become "hysterical" when we think too much. I loathe that generalisation. It makes me seethe... Seriously. Women are NOT illogical any more than men. At least you added in the part about men...

But still, I think humans are perfectly capble of logical behaviour, if we are not trained to be sheep our whole lives.

IM TIRED OF THIS STUPID SEXIST CRAP GUYS ARE STUPID GIRLS ARE STUPID AND JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT ITS THE WORLD THAT COUSES THIS GUY WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT MAKE FOURMS LIKE THIS ITS COMPLET :sniper: E #!@#$$

*buzzer* Wrong! No cookie for you. The word was "ape". And that quote was from the movie "Planet Of The Apes" Starring Charleston Heston.

Ah, "Charleston" Heston, the legendary dancer who created a stir in the 1920s by inventing a dance to go with James P. Johnson's immortal "Charleston."

:rolleyes:

It's Charlton Heston, genius. Still feel like bragging about being home-schooled? See now what folly it is to flog your own intelligence?

Sorry, pal, but you were asking for it -- and this was piffle compared to what adult reality has the potential to dish out if you choose to remain atop your high intellectual horse.

Ah, "Charleston" Heston, the legendary dancer who created a stir in the 1920s by inventing a dance to go with James P. Johnson's immortal "Charleston."

:rolleyes:

It's Charlton Heston, genius. Still feel like bragging about being home-schooled? See now what folly it is to flog your own intelligence?

Sorry, pal, but you were asking for it -- and this was piffle compared to what adult reality has the potential to dish out if you choose to remain atop your high intellectual horse.

I've heard that Seattle makes people grumpy. Now I know that it is true.

And 'piffle'? And 'atop'? Dude those words are old.

Yeah, and we become "hysterical" when we think too much. I loathe that generalisation. It makes me seethe... Seriously. Women are NOT illogical any more than men. At least you added in the part about men...

But still, I think humans are perfectly capble of logical behaviour, if we are not trained to be sheep our whole lives.
If I thought for one moment women become hysterical if they thought to hard I would be painfully reminded otherwise, not physically either. My former boss being able to think circles around me and most of the rest of the faculty. Damn, but she knew a lot!

I stand by my statement though. Humanity in general seems to be capable of brilliant leaps of illogic. It clings to these illogical points no matter how many times it is shown to be silly. Including most of the divisions between the sexes.