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I am just curious. I don't mean personally but as a society we are. Just take a look. We are bombing people for no reason at all. In America gangs in chicago have killed 1200 people in the last 5 years and the mob killed 1100 people since 1919. Not to mention other places in the world that have got it worse the me in chicago. I am just saying who here belives that we as a society are basically screwed?

Dude, if you look at the murder rate nationwide indexed to the population, we've become less violent since the birth of this country. We're not bombing anyone for "no reason", but we did go into Iraq for a stupid reason. Bush can't be reelected, and the Republicans have enough rope to hang themselves. The mid term elections will see Democrats picking up numerous seats, and our next president most likely won't be a Republican. Things are looking up.

Nobody does any of that shit for no reason. I'l admit, 9 times out of 10 the reasons are absolute bullshit, such as George Bush going a bit apeshit with his army, but he thought he was justified, its not as though he was throwing darts at a world map and just happened to hit Iraq

W was convinced that Iraq was connected to Al Quaeda and 9/11 despite any and all evidence to the contrary. I beleive that he honestly thought that Saddam was going to hand over WMD to terrorist organizations to attack the USA, and that removing Saddam and replacing him with a democratic government would transform the region into a secular and democratic place. What can I say? W's an idiot.

We certainly are until the capitalist exploiters can be overthrown.

i agree with drunky things are definitely lookin up it will take a while for the next pres to clean up after dubya but then i think we can expect good things

i agree with drunky things are definitely lookin up it will take a while for the next pres to clean up after dubya but then i think we can expect good things

how true. I've noticed that Republicans tend to spend, spend, spend and leave democrats with huge deficits they then must make up by taxing. This way republicans can label them as "tax and spend" and throw out all the rhetoric about dems taxing everyone which is true, but caused by republicans and oh god im ranting agian. A look here (http://www.readythinkvote.com/vote_deficit.html) will give you a small window of what I mean.

I'm more worried about global warming and transhumanism myself.

Well, we may all be totally fucked, but in no way do I believe that we're f**k.

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I am just curious. I don't mean personally but as a society we are. Just take a look. We are bombing people for no reason at all. In America gangs in chicago have killed 1200 people in the last 5 years and the mob killed 1100 people since 1919. Not to mention other places in the world that have got it worse the me in chicago. I am just saying who here belives that we as a society are basically screwed?
Nope. We've had it far, far worse many times. Most people have a job, we're not bombing "innocent people for no reason at all," and I pray most fervently that you never have to experience true hardship and want. I rather suspect you would go insane.

how true. I've noticed that Republicans tend to spend, spend, spend and leave democrats with huge deficits they then must make up by taxing. This way republicans can label them as "tax and spend" and throw out all the rhetoric about dems taxing everyone which is true, but caused by republicans and oh god im ranting agian. A look here (http://www.readythinkvote.com/vote_deficit.html) will give you a small window of what I mean.
Based on your previous posts ( and to a smaller degree on this one ), I would rather saw off my right arm with a rusty butter knife than visit any site you recommended.

We won't be completely screwed until Socialism is adopted in the U.S.

Good-bye, money. Hello, bankruptcy and famine.

I'm worried about the detereoration of the earth's magnetic field. Certainly not worried about America's problems, unless they involve good ole Canada.

For all those who replied yes, I made a forums page on that subject.

http://nonconformists.x.am

It's only 3 days old, so not to much yet, but hopefully it will grow.

Based on your previous posts ( and to a smaller degree on this one ), I would rather saw off my right arm with a rusty butter knife than visit any site you recommended.

Thank you. I feel honored. But in all due respect, the sites I provide links to aren't as nearly as bad as some of the anti liberal sites I come across.
And that particular site isn't exactly partisan because it's based on facts, which is sort of hard to distort unless you're dubya.

We won't be completely screwed until Socialism is adopted in the U.S.

Good-bye, money. Hello, bankruptcy and famine.

You don't know anything about socialism, do you? I would say it's the US's last hope.

Bush can't be reelected.
Not exactly true, Bush just can't be re-elected for one term after the one he is presently serving. Once the next term is over he can be re-elected for two more terms.

You don't know anything about socialism, do you? I would say it's the US's last hope.

You don't know anything about letting people keep their own damn money, do you?

We certainly are until the capitalist exploiters can be overthrown.

It didn't work in Russia/USSR, China, Viet Nam, North Korea, Cambodia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Cuba, Romania, Jugoslavia, Albania, Mongolia, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, East Germany, Laos, or Bulgaria.

Why do you think it'll work... ever?

Not exactly true, Bush just can't be re-elected for one term after the one he is presently serving. Once the next term is over he can be re-elected for two more terms.

Nope.

Amendment XXII

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

I apologise, I was under the impression that the US president could simply not serve more than two consecutive terms.

Dude, if you look at the murder rate nationwide indexed to the population, we've become less violent since the birth of this country. We're not bombing anyone for "no reason", but we did go into Iraq for a stupid reason. Bush can't be reelected, and the Republicans have enough rope to hang themselves. The mid term elections will see Democrats picking up numerous seats, and our next president most likely won't be a Republican. Things are looking up.

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woaaahh... time out... it seems youre a little off on your information.. let me enlighten you.. the Democratic Party has been on a relative downfall since the Reagan Administration... they are losing more and more elections, and dont seem to be getting any better... Currently, republicans can say they own most of the 3 branches of govt in the US. Honestly.. for a postwar.. or possibly the continuance of war in Iraq... we absolutely NEED a republican president... if you have done your history homework... republican presidents are more focused on foriegn policy, while the democrats favor economics and domestic policies... NOW is the time for foreign policy... ie a republican president..

Also, Bush obviously cant be reelected since it is his second term being president, however a strong leader, and not a "compassionate UN suck up", is needed... henceforth.. the republicans would be the best bet for presidency.. Hillary clinton in the next election would be a joke of a president... check out her stances on some foriegn policy issues why dont you... and i even hear rumors that KErry wants to run again (man this guy is like a roach that wont die)!! what a joke...

On teh IRAQ WAR:
I do agree with you that we dont bomb anyone for no reasons... there are always legitimate reasons. the Iraq war had its legitimate reasons. Intelligence reports said that saddam had nuclear weapons... also if you look @ Israeli sources... right after we went into afghanistan.. israeli intelligence (one of the most advanced of the world) spotted a large caravan of many cargo-trucks leaving Iraq and going into Syria.

I have no doubt in my mind that Saddam either had weapons, or had the capability to make weapons... and common sense told him to move them out of the country so when we come in, we dont see them. Keep in mind that he also had been violating UN and US - Iraq agreements.. especially teh turning away of weapons inspectors nearly every time the went to Iraq for over 10 years.. = way too suspicious.... = declare war. because the corrupt pussy UN was too busy collecting money in the oil for food scandal, to really "notice" anything "wrong" with Iraq.... ---- so thats my justification for the IRAQ WAR...

Long live Republicans (and continue to gain an even bigger majority in the house, and senate, and continue being elected as presidents, and continue being appointed as supreme court judges)..as we say.. amen (lol niceending touch i think)

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On teh IRAQ WAR:
I do agree with you that we dont bomb anyone for no reasons... there are always legitimate reasons. the Iraq war had its legitimate reasons. Intelligence reports said that saddam had nuclear weapons... also if you look @ Israeli sources... right after we went into afghanistan.. israeli intelligence (one of the most advanced of the world) spotted a large caravan of many cargo-trucks leaving Iraq and going into Syria.

I have no doubt in my mind that Saddam either had weapons, or had the capability to make weapons... and common sense told him to move them out of the country so when we come in, we dont see them. Keep in mind that he also had been violating UN and US - Iraq agreements.. especially teh turning away of weapons inspectors nearly every time the went to Iraq for over 10 years.. = way too suspicious.... = declare war. because the corrupt pussy UN was too busy collecting money in the oil for food scandal, to really "notice" anything "wrong" with Iraq.... ---- so thats my justification for the IRAQ WAR...

Yea, and thats why we are still there? Listen, there was a time that we could have gotten out of the war. Go in, find no weapons, kick out sadaam, leave. We did not have to stay to get them all settled up. Maybe a little bit, but not to the extent that we took control and then gave it back. Now we cant back out or we look like bigger assholes (if possible) to the world than we already look (while we still look like huge assholes now) but now its too late and more of our soldiers are dying and right now its stupid. It might have started legitiment, but it defenitively is now not

hey, its okay... :)

seriously, though. Suppose that Chicago, L.A., London, Paris, etc. all suddenly get bombed and Bush's successor turns out to be a corrupt dictator and terrorist run rampant throughout the world. According to most people, this would mean we are fucked. But I say no, these are just temporary problems. My point is this: our society is made up of people, and the world currently contains something like 6.5 billion people. Nothing is going to kill off enough of them to change society as we know it. Sure, the political landscape will change significantly, but that, at least in America, has little to do with society. They like to think they do (politicians, that is), but they don't. If worst comes to worst, Hollywood will hire a vast mercenary army and kick everyone's asses, and our crazy society will be fucking preserved. Darwinism at its best.

Letilal: Capitalism does work. That's about all it does, but it works. We'll survive, though we have plenty of reason to grumble.

Lochiel: Open your mind and think a little, will you? Why is money nice? because it allows you to own things. If Socialism is implemented propererly, not only will you live comfortably, but the same quality of life will be garuanteed to you for the rest of your life, and the same will go for your children, and their children. That sound nice? :)

And UNDER BOBBY: Geez, talk about one-sided. You are simply repeating everything that the White House has told everyone. But above all, the last paragraph was really unnecessary. Lots of these forums degenerate into mindless yelling matches, and its statements that often start it off. You may believe in it wholeheartedly, but if you would step back a moment, you might realize that that will piss off just about half of the United States. What I would give anything to see is you in the same room will all of them when you said that. Not that I wish you bodily harm, but maybe then you would realize how sensitive things like this are.

DiggaDigga: To me, offering to help restore some semblance of peace, being the only non-aggressive part of the operation, seems the most well-intentioned.
(If anyone is offended, I am truly sorry, I only wish to inspire open-mindedness...)

Lochiel: Open your mind and think a little, will you? Why is money nice? because it allows you to own things. If Socialism is implemented propererly, not only will you live comfortably, but the same quality of life will be garuanteed to you for the rest of your life, and the same will go for your children, and their children. That sound nice?

Er, no, it doesn't. Have you considered the whole picture?
Everyone turns into a bum because hey, we don't have to work! We can mooch off all the other hard working, back breaking people!
Money is not everything. I am certainly not materialistic. But when the government has control over how much I can keep and how much I have to give to other people, then I get a little peeved. If I earn the money, I can dern well use it how I like. Other people can get a stinking job and earn their own way through life.
Prove me wrong.

you know, its not Socialism's fault, its yours. Socialism is indeed a perfect system if everyone plays their part, and everyone is happy. Its not really hard to put in 40 hours a week; almost everyone in the world manages it. If you're that insistent on being a bum, then fine, we'll "re-educate" you. But keep in mind its your fault for being obstinate.

how true. I've noticed that Republicans tend to spend, spend, spend and leave democrats with huge deficits they then must make up by taxing. This way republicans can label them as "tax and spend" and throw out all the rhetoric about dems taxing everyone which is true, but caused by republicans and oh god im ranting agian. A look here (http://www.readythinkvote.com/vote_deficit.html) will give you a small window of what I mean.

Those charts about poverty, gas prices, and job creation just show that the economy was starting to crash right before Bush Jr. took office. Really nothing that can be considered his fault.

The economy may have started sliding before W. Bush took office, but what really took it down was 9/11.

Which I suppose wasn't his fault either.

Based on your previous posts ( and to a smaller degree on this one ), I would rather saw off my right arm with a rusty butter knife than visit any site you recommended.
Would you? Just for me :)

I apologise, I was under the impression that the US president could simply not serve more than two consecutive terms.

No biggie. There actually was no rule until post WW2, after FDR served for 14 years... up to the Amendment, it was merely customary for a President to serve no more than 2 terms.