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Why John Bolton should be confimed as US Ambassador to the UN.

Eutrusca
01-05-2005, 17:41
The UN is almost universally viewed as a paper tiger. There are very few areas where it is effective, UNESCO being one of those few. Not only is it ineffective, it's also been shown to be rather corrupt. An organization such as this needs someone to hold it to account ... to shake things up a bit. John Bolton fills this bill nicely.

The New York Times today carries an article (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/01/politics/01bolton.html?th&emc=th) on Bolton which I highly recommend.

A few exerpts:

WASHINGTON, April 30 - In the tumultuous days before John R. Bolton graduated from Yale University in 1970, he and his roommates leaned mattresses against the windows to keep out stray tear gas shells.

The trial of a top Black Panther in New Haven had ignited riots and set off a national uproar. The National Guard patrolled the campus in tanks. A bomb went off at the hockey rink.

At commencement, student speakers compared the United States to pre-Nazi Germany and called for an immediate end to the war in Vietnam.

But one student sounded a contrarian theme.

"The conservative underground is alive and well here," Mr. Bolton told his classmates and their parents, scorning a handful of hecklers. "If we do not make our influence felt, rest assured we will in the real world."

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[ Bolton ] wins ... plaudits [ from his supervisors ] partly because of an extreme work style that sometimes has him firing off e-mail messages to subordinates from home at 4 a.m. before arriving at the office at 6. In his current job, he has required staff members to stand - along with him - at morning meetings, to discourage long-winded discussions.

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"He's tough and he's relentless and he's very logical," said Frank J. Donatelli, a Republican consultant who has worked with Mr. Bolton both in government and party operations. "But I've never observed any kind of abusive behavior."

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Raised in a working-class row house neighborhood in southwest Baltimore called Yale Heights - a far cry from the university where he would earn undergraduate and law degrees - Mr. Bolton won a scholarship to McDonogh, then an all-male military school.

That modest background is a key to his personality, some associates say. "He didn't come from money," said Mr. Boyd, his former subordinate. "Sometimes when you push the rock up the hill, you're hungrier. You have more of a drive to succeed."

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Ed Wroe, another McDonogh scholarship student, recalls John Bolton's fervor for the 1964 presidential campaign of Barry Goldwater. "When you hear people describe him as abrasive, you think, 'That sounds like John Bolton,' " said Mr. Wroe, an attorney in Idaho. "He didn't worry about what people thought of him."

But Dr. Bruce K. Krueger, his Yale roommate for five years and now a physiologist at the University of Maryland medical school, recalls Mr. Bolton as a far more pleasant character. "He might say something provocative - everyone else in the room might disagree with it - but he'd have something solid and well-reasoned to back it up."

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In the loose shorthand of the news media, Mr. Bolton has sometimes been described as a neoconservative. That's wrong, said Gary Schmitt, executive director of the Project for a New American Century, a conservative strategy group.

The neoconservatives believe in spreading democracy; Mr. Bolton, with a less idealistic view of other countries' potential, prefers to focus on threats to the United States, Mr. Schmitt said. "He's a straightforward, traditional, national security conservative," he said.

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In a recent interview with the McDonogh School magazine headlined "The Patriot," Mr. Bolton, who is not talking to reporters during the confirmation period, defined his job as keeping American interests clearly in sight.

"Frequently you hear diplomacy described as a skill of keeping things calm and stable and so on, and there's an element of that," he said. "But basically, American diplomats should be advocates of the United States. That's the style I pursue."
Colodia
01-05-2005, 18:06
Yeah but he's Republican.

Am I being serious or not? You decide.
Sdaeriji
01-05-2005, 18:17
"There's no such thing as the United Nations. If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference."

~ John Bolton


I had to.
Soviet Narco State
01-05-2005, 18:20
Ok Eutrusca, you are veteran right? We'll what do you think of this quote from page three of the article:

"Mr. Bolton joined the National Guard, in which he served for six years, before graduation. "I confess that I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asia rice paddy," he wrote in a recollection for his 25-year Yale reunion, in part because he felt that the war in Vietnam was "already lost" because of antiwar sentiment among Americans."

Is this saying that Bolton got a cushy states side national guard spot, so he wouldn't have to fight in Vietnam? If so how could you respect someone like that? I think if you support a war, then you should be willing to fight in it, especially if you are writing articles favoring the war and publicly supporting it. Do people like this just think that other less important people should be the ones dying?
Eutrusca
01-05-2005, 18:27
"There's no such thing as the United Nations. If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference."

~ John Bolton

I had to.
And this statement is incorrect how???
Eutrusca
01-05-2005, 18:28
Ok Eutrusca, you are veteran right? We'll what do you think of this quote from page three of the article:

"Mr. Bolton joined the National Guard, in which he served for six years, before graduation. "I confess that I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asia rice paddy," he wrote in a recollection for his 25-year Yale reunion, in part because he felt that the war in Vietnam was "already lost" because of antiwar sentiment among Americans."

Is this saying that Bolton got a cushy states side national guard spot, so he wouldn't have to fight in Vietnam? If so how could you respect someone like that? I think if you support a war, then you should be willing to fight in it, especially if you are writing articles favoring the war and publicly supporting it. Do people like this just think that other less important people should be the ones dying?
No. I happen to think that he was correct. The war was necessary, but it was lost in the media. [ Please don't turn this thread into a Pro/Anti-Vietnam War thread ]
Eutrusca
01-05-2005, 18:29
Yeah but he's Republican.

Am I being serious or not? You decide.
I think you're being partially serious. :)
Super-power
01-05-2005, 18:32
I'm quite happy Bolton got nominated. I'm pretty much convinced that a NWO-style world government will be through the UN. So until we can withdraw from it, Bush nominates somebody who is openly against them.
Soviet Narco State
01-05-2005, 18:35
No. I happen to think that he was correct. The war was necessary, but it was lost in the media. [ Please don't turn this thread into a Pro/Anti-Vietnam War thread ]
I don't know, he seems like just another Bushite Chickenhawk to me. Talks tough, when other people's lives are on the line, but wouldn't risk his life to save his own mother.
Falhaar
01-05-2005, 18:39
I'm quite happy Bolton got nominated. I'm pretty much convinced that a NWO-style world government will be through the UN. So until we can withdraw from it, Bush nominates somebody who is openly against them. New World Order? How the heck does that work? Isn't widely agreed upon that the U.N. is an impotent paper tiger? With nothing to back it up, the U.N. is essentially that skinny guy the corner playing armchair coach.

(And this from a left-leaning centrist!)
Eutrusca
01-05-2005, 18:42
I don't know, he seems like just another Bushite Chickenhawk to me. Talks tough, when other people's lives are on the line, but wouldn't risk his life to save his own mother.
Not everyone sees the need to join the military. At least he joined the National Guard. It was in the seventies and the war was winding down anyway. I seriouly doubt he's a coward ... he doesn't strike me as the sort.
Super-power
01-05-2005, 18:56
New World Order? How the heck does that work? Isn't widely agreed upon that the U.N. is an impotent paper tiger? With nothing to back it up, the U.N. is essentially that skinny guy the corner playing armchair coach.

(And this from a left-leaning centrist!)
Here's where I'm coming from; the more we play along with the defunct and corrupt UN, it subsequently becomes stronger. And sooner or later, after playing along, the UN may become *too* strong and there goes our sovereignty.
*sets fire to the paper tiger*
Falhaar
01-05-2005, 19:03
the more we play along with the defunct and corrupt UN, it subsequently becomes stronger. And sooner or later, after playing along, the UN may become *too* strong and there goes our sovereignty. I don't really think this is a legitimate concern. The U.N. couldn't stop the Rwandan genocide, nor deal with the North Koreans, nor properly penalise countries who aren't following resolutions and a crap load of its motions which act to punish members of the security council are instantly shot down by the power of the veto, effectively rendering the U.N. fucking useless in that regard. It's powerless and will always be powerless with the current structure in place.

The U.N. DOES, however, do a lot of good as well in terms of relief and aid-work that simply wouldn't exist and cost many more lives if it were absent.

Personally, I agree that the U.N. is largely obstructive and impotent in terms of foriegn relations, but this requires a drastic re-tooling/dismantlement and reconstruction, not complete abolishment.