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Hypothetical Situation:
In nation A there are four major parties, the Green, Blue, Red, and White. Blue and Red have more or less the same positions on issues with the exception of issues of economy. Green is a Red-lite party and is neo-Fascist. The White party is a mixture of social policies of Blue and the economic stances of Green. They are said to be the Green lite. In elections the Whites side with the Greens who in turn side with the Reds and the Blues. Basically all the parties are similar and different in name only. The public accepts it but isn't aware that the only difference is the names. The citizenry sees them as substantially different to each other and a level of punditry has developed and swamps the news outlets. No matter how one votes the government will be fascist, however as mentioned the citizens see one party as not totalitarian and one as.
This system insures that no matter what the fascists will stay in power, but cannot be questioned by nation B, C, or D because they are democraticaly elected. The parties know this, but they even believe there is vast distinction between them.

So, what do you think?
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It doesn't work. Rigged elections don't count towards democracy, and the people will see that. Fascism is by nature Totalitarian, and therefore Democracy is a conflicting system.

Sorry.

I think that plan has quite possily put me one step closer to world domination. Thanks much, my friend; send me your name, adress, phone number, and credit card number (for id purposes only) and I will let you into the elite class when I'm done :D

Seriously, though, it seems pretty feasible; the scary thought is that it could, quite esaily, happen.

I think that plan has quite possily put me one step closer to world domination. Thanks much, my friend; send me your name, adress, phone number, and credit card number (for id purposes only) and I will let you into the elite class when I'm done :D

Seriously, though, it seems pretty feasible; the scary thought is that it could, quite esaily, happen.

Yes, but it isn't really democracy. It'll still be totalitarian because the basic concept of Democracy is that you can vote out a leader whom you don't agree with. If all 4 parties have the same political ideology, that doesn't work.

i think that the nation gets beat up by some other country, do i get a cookie?

but the above situation relies on people being to stupid to notice that there is no difference between the parties, and that is scarily possible

but the above situation relies on people being to stupid to notice that there is no difference between the parties, and that is scarily possible
Exactly.

Wow that is kinda hypothetical....
I'm having a hard time deciding whether you are satrizing the US political system (green red white and blue, green being the dollar, the others self explainatory) or not...
Or are you bored and really want people to jump through your hoops because in reality you are the sick power hungry fascist and it gets you off seeing us answer your damn question!!!! ;)

But although the name Fascist democracy is kind of an oxymoron - you can have a democratically elected fascist gov or a fascistly appointed democratic one, but not a combo - such a situation could exist, and people would buy it too, which is the scary part. Get enough people saying the identical parties are different and eventually people believe it...
Though I respect the guy he has a good quote for this -
"A lie told often enough becomes the truth." V. I. Lenin

EDIT : Do I get a cookie?

I'm having a hard time deciding whether you are satrizing the US political system (green red white and blue, green being the dollar, the others self explainatory) or not...


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You are very, very close.

There is a way this could be stopped. All that's required is for a new party to come out. Supposing that people are able to freely create a party, this should be possible.

Also, a person could still run without party backing, if they had the money and had a message that reached enough people.

But would not the winning party just do what Hitler and Mussolini did and dissolve the other parties and the democratic system once in power.

So the democracy really leaves one the fascism comes in.

Although they would not necessarily have to as Fascism is only (checked dictionary) defined in one of its definitions as dictatorship, the other one is just holding authoritarian and extreme right views, but not necessarily dictatorship. And if all of the parties fell in this second definition I suppose you could say it is a fascist democracy, despite if it may sound oxymoronic because of the first definition of Fascism.

[EDIT: but nothing stops them fom being questioned by other nations, as democracy is not the be all and end all, just as any other political theory it has its flaws]

but the above situation relies on people being to stupid to notice that there is no difference between the parties, and that is scarily possible

like with republicans and democrats?

I have a slightly different, not so hypothetical situation...

There are four parties... no one knows anything about the Green and White Parties because they don't have millions of dollars to promote their campaigns and they are not invited to televised debates. The Red and Blue parties bicker publicly over semantics and minor differences in their policies but in reality their election campaigns are funded by the same multi national corporations.

Can't lose a race when you're backing both front runners.

I have a slightly different, not so hypothetical situation...

There are four parties... no one knows anything about the Green and White Parties because they don't have millions of dollars to promote their campaigns and they are not invited to televised debates. The Red and Blue parties bicker publicly over semantics and minor differences in their policies but in reality their election campaigns are funded by the same multi national corporations.

Can't lose a race when you're backing both front runners.
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Does this mean I get a cookie?

Does this mean I get a cookie?
I'll give you a cookie.
For everyone who participated you also get a cookie.

I was trying to point out that the Big Two are basically the same with a few differences. The public believe they are opposites and the politicians like it that way. The public will remain ignorant because they don't realize they have different choices.

I'll give you a cookie.
For everyone who participated you also get a cookie.

I was trying to point out that the Big Two are basically the same with a few differences. The public believe they are opposites and the politicians like it that way. The public will remain ignorant because they don't realize they have different choices.

Do you think that it is the intention of politicians and multi national corporate executives to keep the public misinformed and distracted?

Do you think that it is the intention of politicians and multi national corporate executives to keep the public misinformed and distracted?
I think the politicians actaully think there is a difference, but that just shows the ignorance to the matter.

I think the politicians actaully think there is a difference, but that just shows the ignorance to the matter.

Do you think that providing the public with the illusion of a choice when there really is none is a form of oppression? Do you think that being ignorant is the equivalent of being oppressed?

I have a slightly different, not so hypothetical situation...

There are four parties... no one knows anything about the Green and White Parties because they don't have millions of dollars to promote their campaigns and they are not invited to televised debates. The Red and Blue parties bicker publicly over semantics and minor differences in their policies but in reality their election campaigns are funded by the same multi national corporations.

Can't lose a race when you're backing both front runners.

you should get a cookie

Facist-democracy? Sounds like a major contradiction to me. :confused:

Facist-democracy? Sounds like a major contradiction to me. :confused:

So does military intelligence.