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I personally feel that FDR is the Greatest and I think will be for a long time to come. As he had to go through a political struggle to be a President he had his personal struggle as well, as dealing with polio. Then once he became President he probably had the biggest financial mess a leader had to face, and to put the cherry on the top he had to deal with a war take took place on six different Continents. If you can name me any other leader that could deal with half that coming out of it with flying colors please do.

Please state your opinion as I would like to here it.

Thanks

I personally feel that FDR is the Greatest and I think will be for a long time to come. As he had to go through a political struggle to be a President he had his personal struggle as well, as dealing with polio. Then once he became President he probably had the biggest financial mess a leader had to face, and to put the cherry on the top he had to deal with a war take took place on six different Continents. If you can name me any other leader that could deal with half that coming out of it with flying colors please do.

Please state your opinion as I would like to here it.

Thanks


He was the most corrupt President of all time. He was a power mad socialist, a virtual dictator. It is because of him that the government is as freaking big as it is.

FDR, certainly not in the entire history of the world. Perhaps in United States history, though Jefferson would be mine, but less so in world history.

... and to put the cherry on the top he had to deal with a war take took place on six different Continents.

What system of counting the continents do you use that gives you WWII taking place in six continents?

What system of counting the continents do you use that gives you WWII taking place in six continents?
I think he counted North and South America as fronts.

The greatest world leader of all time. Okay, first of all, that's a -lot- of leaders... but if I must...

I suppose Emperor Augustus. Granted in his personal life he was a cowardly snivvely little weiner who only got power by trading off his uncle's reputation, but he unified one of the most powerful empires the world has ever seen, and he set forth a plan that would have held it together if his successors had followed it.

Of course, I'm a late antiquities historian, so you must expect me to choose a Roman.

and to put the cherry on the top he had to deal with a war take took place on six different Continents.


I think he's also counting Australia, which didn't have any major battles if any at all happening around there.

FDR to me was a great American leader, but not the best American, or for that matter, World Leader.

To me, I have about 5, the one I'll mention now is Charlemange. He dealt with the constant warfar when Europe was still falling apart in the early middle ages. He helped to unite a lot of the old Western Empire and created a new kind of european civilization by fusing christian, roman, and german ideas. He created a good system of law and order and helped to try to revive learning, which suceeded a little. He himself tried to make himself all the best he could be as an example to the people. His only mistake was dividing his empire. With proper leadership after him, there could have well be a permanint revival in Europe.

Jesus?

You can't really count Jesus. Even if you're a christian you can't. He was only around for 33 years and only led about 12 people. When he rose from the dead, he went to heaven later. For christians, the world leaders were/are his followers really, like the pope (who I'm not counting by the way, just giving an example)

You can't really count Jesus. Even if you're a christian you can't. He was only around for 33 years and only led about 12 people.

The fact that he died at 33 in itself is no argument against him, unless you want to rule out Alexander the Great for the same reason

I think he's also counting Australia, which didn't have any major battles if any at all happening around there.



Tell that to the people of Darwin.

If anyone says George W. Bush...

*shakes fist*

I am convinced that George W. Bush is the greatest leader that has ever led or will ever lead in any human endeavor.

Coming in distant second would be Sargon of Akkad. He gets points for creating the first empire ever, or at least being the first to write down the fact that he did. Alexander the Great could make a claim for second, too. He took the act of building an empire as far as, with their knowledge of the world, he possibly could have.

I am convinced that George W. Bush is the greatest leader that has ever led or will ever lead in any human endeavor.

Coming in distant second would be Sargon of Akkad. He gets points for creating the first empire ever, or at least being the first to write down the fact that he did. Alexander the Great could make a claim for second, too. He took the act of building an empire as far as, with their knowledge of the world, he possibly could have.
:rolleyes: Bullshit

So out of all the great people in world history, you're saying George Bush is the best?

Child you need to open your eyes and look around.

The fact that he died at 33 in itself is no argument against him, unless you want to rule out Alexander the Great for the same reason

Yeah, but Jesus didn't spend his entire adult life conquering; he spent it teaching, in a small area of the world, in opposition to the local government (nothing against him, but this does make him by default not really a world leader), and only about three years of it, at that.

The greatest national leader in American history and possible the world's was George Washington. We forget that a lot of people wanted to make him King George, but he refused. A Nation's leader had not willfully given up power in a democracy since Ancient Athens. If we had not had Washington as our first President we might not have had a 2nd.


Number two would have been Jefferson if not for Lincoln and number four would be Theodore Roosevelt without whom America would not have been in a position that allowed his cousin Franklin to help put an end to fascism.

I am convinced that George W. Bush is the greatest leader that has ever led or will ever lead in any human endeavor.

Coming in distant second would be Sargon of Akkad. He gets points for creating the first empire ever, or at least being the first to write down the fact that he did. Alexander the Great could make a claim for second, too. He took the act of building an empire as far as, with their knowledge of the world, he possibly could have.

Oh please, he ranks about equal to Carter.

Oh please, he ranks about equal to Carter.
Carter did some very good long term things for America. I'd say Bush is equal to Warren G. Harding.

Gandhi is up there in my opinion. FDR was great, but there have been better. He did oppose fascism, and during the thirties the fact that, though his programs didn't always work, at least he was always doing SOMETHING, might have prevented a communist revolution in the States. However, I'm sure somebody's done something better in history.

Genghis Khan was a real nasty person, but he was pretty important to history, and built the largest contingous empire ever, if I recall correctly.

Napolean Bonaparte was very important, and despite being a dictator, he did do good things for France, but he got his ass beat by Wellington.

Gandhi wasn't really a world leader, he was more of a pacifist rebel in a diaper.

Nixon would've been considered a great President had he not been so goddamn paranoid. He was a brilliant foreign policy President and opened China to the US. I like Wilson, though it's too bad he wasn't able to get his 14 points accepted by the British and French. Damn punitive bastages.

As for the best...Pope Lando (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08784a.htm). Crackin' down on the heathens by day, wooin' the ladies with some Colt 45 by night.

Gandhi wasn't really a world leader, he was more of a pacifist rebel in a diaper.

Nixon would've been considered a great President had he not been so goddamn paranoid. He was a brilliant foreign policy President and opened China to the US. I like Wilson, though it's too bad he wasn't able to get his 14 points accepted by the British and French. Damn punitive bastages.

As for the best...Pope Lando (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08784a.htm). Crackin' down on the heathens by day, wooin' the ladies with some Colt 45 by night.
Nixon would have been a good leader if he had any skills in leadership. :rolleyes:

He was the most corrupt President of all time. He was a power mad socialist, a virtual dictator. It is because of him that the government is as freaking big as it is.

Let me make a few corrections in that statement.
One he was not corrupt at all if he was so was every president that made real good difference in the US. Second I say right one I am glad he was a socialist. If he wasn't a lot of people would be in the poor house. Thirdly he was not a dictator as he was elected fairly every time. Now the last thing you said was just plain stupid. The reason why government is so big is because of the cowboy we go sitting in the oval office right now.

What system of counting the continents do you use that gives you WWII taking place in six continents?

Sorry I meant five.



Now the reason why I say best ever is because that really wasn't anyone that could handle what he did handle while sitting in Wheel Chair.

I think he's also counting Australia, which didn't have any major battles if any at all happening around there.


Kokoda Trail? Coral Sea? Milne Bay?

Even Guadalcanal was too close for comfort.

It was pretty damn close to our doorstep...Papua New Guinea was also part of Australia at that time.

I've been wracking my brain thinking of a single leader who completely embodied all of the ideals that I look for in a 'great' world leader. In all honesty, the closest thing I can come to is Sir Winston Churchill.

One of the reasons FDR was so popular was because no one knew what was really going on. This was before the press invasion 40-50 years ago. He didn't have to fight the press to get his work done

I'd say that many, maybe most, people still don't know what's going on.

Teddy Roosevelt was awesome. Pro Environment, Pro Whoop-Ass.

William Wallace of the Wallace clan Scotland. (No, not because of Braveheart).
The way he fought and the way he inspired a nation to fight is amazing.
After living under such a tyrant English rule for so long and winning what was then very likley the best military in the western world is admirable. I really have no words to put it right.
The Scots have allways been good fighters but what a great moment in history that must have been for them.

For the US Teddy, Abe, and Franklin are pretty bad ass.

But world wide, I gotta go with Ghengis. Essentially made two superpowers that are powerful today. Sure he was absolutely vicious to his enemies. Not exactly a character flaw. And he did create a comparitively safe, and efficent nation of such size it'd be unwieldy even with today's amenities. Then when you throw in he destroyed europe, unintentionally. Never lost a battle. From where his people were when he started, and where he left them at the end of his death, that was something that wasn't even rivaled until Britain rose to prominance. And it will NEVER be rivaled again.

I personally feel that FDR is the Greatest and I think will be for a long time to come. As he had to go through a political struggle to be a President he had his personal struggle as well, as dealing with polio. Then once he became President he probably had the biggest financial mess a leader had to face, and to put the cherry on the top he had to deal with a war take took place on six different Continents. If you can name me any other leader that could deal with half that coming out of it with flying colors please do.


Unlike FDR, Chruchill had to deal with a war that directly affected his countries homeland. While I think what FDR acomplished was indeed excellent, it was far less politically difficult than the British postion as Britian was more, shall we say "in the thick of it".

So out of all the great people in world history, you're saying George Bush is the best?

Child you need to open your eyes and look around.

I'm pretty sure he was bullshitting Yevon the Third.

As for greatest leaders: there's always Otto Von Bismarck. Unified Germany, it took the whole damn world to hold it off TWICE.

Second, there's Josef Stalin. He did the impossible and fused two idealogies that radically hated each other - Fascism and Communism - into his own little idealogy that's still being used to this day and I personally adhere to.

Plus there's the fact that he managed to pull the Soviet Union through WWII and meld it into the powerhouse it became dispite his own first attempts otherwise is kind of impressive, if a bit odd. Took a country still in the Middle Ages, castrated it's military officer corps with a rusty spoon, allowed it to get suckerpunched by a blitzkrieg that's coming had all but been publicized in the Pravda and still managed to watch it sideways-fuck over Germany with a rake and become a powerhouse that had the rest of the world - including the United States - trembling in fear for almost half a century.

And, last but not least, Genghis Khan Temujin. Thirteen years old, stops an ages-long civil war with brutal efficiency, melds dozens of squabbling tribes and clans into one massive, brutal horde and then procedes to rape, molest, and otherwise touch in bad places a third of the entire world. Mad props.

Julius Caeser, and quite good with the shlong too, according to recent stories, a ladies man.

We can only state preferences. . .far too many leaders to ever be able to judge.
In the US, Theodore Roosveldt.
Europe, Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector
Asia, Sakamoto Ryouma and Okuma Shigenobu, they helped lead the destruction of the old bushi ending the Edo period in Japan and starting the Meiji Restoration.
Africa, Shaka, Zulus, nuff said.
South America. . .uh. . .uh a decided lack of knowledge here. . .
Antartica, Emperor Peguin IV, perhaps the longest and most peaceful reigning ruler of that great continent.

Antartica, Emperor Peguin IV, perhaps the longest and most peaceful reigning ruler of that great continent.
Lol.
For the U.S, I'd have to say FDR. Certainly he wasn't the greatest leader of all time, but he was the best U.S. President.

Gandhi wasn't really a world leader, he was more of a pacifist rebel in a diaper.
The original poster didn't specify the leader of a country, it could be the leader of a religion, or the leader of a band of pacifist diaper wearing rebels.

Hiero of Syracuse. What a guy. Built a city that held off Roman and Carthaginian advances, often one after the other, and managed to build one of the prominent cities of pre-Roman Empire ancient history. Nah, I jest. He was a clever one, but he wasn't a world leader, and he just doesn't fit the bill in general.

Queen Victoria, whilst technically and not technically leader of Britain, overseen it from an upstart power with some colonies to the most populous and powerful Empire the world had ever seen. Quite an achievment, though her role in it all was from a rather obtuse angle.

Winston Churchill... Took a beaten and battered Britain, and with sheer force of will and character, held it through the various blitzes the luftwaffe inflicted on it. Have to respect that.

I personally think that Winston takes the cake.

Comes with the region....

Lee Kuan Yew and what he did to Singapore.

Let me make a few corrections in that statement.
One he was not corrupt at all if he was so was every president that made real good difference in the US. Second I say right one I am glad he was a socialist. If he wasn't a lot of people would be in the poor house. Thirdly he was not a dictator as he was elected fairly every time. Now the last thing you said was just plain stupid. The reason why government is so big is because of the cowboy we go sitting in the oval office right now.


Who taught you US History? Let me make a few corrections to your statement. One he was corrupt in the fact that politics back then was completely different then today. He further sold out the American people to the Federal Reserve. He was in bed with the FED during his entire Presidency. Second, he may have created all of the programs that we take for granted today, but where in the Constitution does it state that the Government should be responsible for so many entitlements? If it weren't for him alot of people were in the poor house? Seriously, do you realize the amount of people who were in the poor house during his terms? He kept the Depression alive longer then it would have lasted otherwise. Thirdly, fair elections? Seriously, a fair election in the 1930's? HaHa. I never said he was a dictator, but a virtual dictator. The power he held was unheard of up until that time. 4 terms? Why not just make him President for life. Ask the Americans who were put into camps if he wasn't an evil bastard. Besides what other Presidents actions called for an admendment to the constitution (22nd).

The last thing you said was plain stupid. Did GW Bush create social security, TVA, rationing, NRA, FDIC, NLRB, FERA, CWA, AAA, NIRA, PWA, WPA and others. Seriously if you think GW Bush created the largest government bureacacy in American history, then you really have been brainwashed.

The last thing you said was plain stupid. Did GW Bush create social security, TVA, rationing, NRA, FDIC, NLRB, FERA, CWA, AAA, NIRA, PWA, WPA and others. Seriously if you think GW Bush created the largest government bureacacy in American history, then you really have been brainwashed.
No, but he did create the Department of Homeland Security.

No, but he did create the Department of Homeland Security.


How does the DHS compare in any way to the size of SS?

How does the DHS compare in any way to the size of SS?
From what I've heard, it seems to be larger. How many people work in DHS and its branches, and how many people work in SS and its branches?

From what I've heard, it seems to be larger. How many people work in DHS and its branches, and how many people work in SS and its branches?

How much money is tied up in SS as compared to DHS?

How much moeny is tied up in SS as compared to DHS?<shrug> I suppose if you view a large bureaucracy as how much money is spent in it, then you'd say SS is larger. If you view a large bureaucracy as how many people work in it, then you'd say DHS is larger, unless of course I'm wrong about the people working in each.

I'll go with Charlemagne.

FDR was among the better US Presidents, along with Theodore Roosevelt, Washington and Jefferson.

Tell that to the people of Darwin.
Getting bombed by the Japanese doesn't count as a battle.

So out of all the great people in world history, you're saying George Bush is the best?

Child you need to open your eyes and look around.
He was quite clearly joking.

Gaius Julius Caesar, seriously a lot of people know who he was (which is more then could be said for a substantial number of great men through the ages) but when you get into what he actually DID; the scope of his politics, his conquest, and his outright audacity this man deserves a hell of a lot more respect then he gets. He was a Roman in every sense of the word.

Carter did some very good long term things for America. I'd say Bush is equal to Warren G. Harding.

Yeah, Bush is nowhere near as good as Carter, it's the economic malais of the Bush Presidency that brings me back to the late 70s.

I say Kim Jong Il os teh uber leaderz! He is teh shiz! OMGWTFBBQ! :eek: :D :cool: :p :) ;) :fluffle:

I am going to have to go with Napolean Bonaparte on this one. His superior logistic preperations won him more battles then anything else ever did. He did not lack the ability to make clutch decisions under great pressure, and in tight squeezes. Yes, I realize that he had extremely good luck on more then one occasion, but a good leader needs luck as part of his arsonal. I would take luck over skill, or superp strategical planning any day.

Just my opinion, as I have heard some other ones mentioned that
I like.

The fact that he died at 33 in itself is no argument against him, unless you want to rule out Alexander the Great for the same reason

But the fact he only led 12 people really counts him out of the race for 'Greatest World Leader'. To be fair, he was a crappy leader of those 12, given all 12 denied him in one night.

The greatest leaders are probably unrecognised, because they just kept their people happy etc, rather than marauding their way into the history books. Besides, this argument is totally subjective. Having said that, I nominate Ken Livingstone, a fatally flawed genius of petty bureaucracy.

He was the most corrupt President of all time. He was a power mad socialist, a virtual dictator. It is because of him that the government is as freaking big as it is.


Only third world countries have 'small governments'.

FDR was the greatest US president, but i like Churchill much better.

I personally feel that FDR is the Greatest and I think will be for a long time to come. As he had to go through a political struggle to be a President he had his personal struggle as well, as dealing with polio. Then once he became President he probably had the biggest financial mess a leader had to face, and to put the cherry on the top he had to deal with a war take took place on six different Continents.

I would personally have to agree, and add, FDR single-handedly pulled America out of the worst depression of modern times, got people back to work, and got this country's economy going again. Why the neo-cons of today seek to destroy all of the amazing social safety nets and safeguards his Administration put in place is way beyond me.

Perhaps they're just greedy bastards who have no qualms about creating off shore tax havens for themselves, but continuously balk about some little brown kid wanting another bowl of porridge on their dime. FDR would roll in his grave if he knew what the Bush Administration was trying to do.

But the fact he only led 12 people really counts him out of the race for 'Greatest World Leader'. To be fair, he was a crappy leader of those 12, given all 12 denied him in one night.

Said twelve then began to spread their master's teachings dispite continuous persecution and even downright attempts at genocide, and went on to change the entire outlook of the Roman Empire and found what is now the largest religion in the world today.

FDR would roll in his grave if he knew what the Bush Administration was trying to do.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not the Bush Administration attempting to streamline FDR's systems and reforms dispite pressure from their own political party to abolish them?

Said twelve then began to spread their master's teachings dispite continuous persecution and even downright attempts at genocide, and went on to change the entire outlook of the Roman Empire and found what is now the largest religion in the world today.

Then the gal or guy who done the speading would qualify as the greatest leader, not Jesus. Do you know her name?

FDR was the greatest US president, but i like Churchill much better.
He wanted to gas the Turks, you know. He was a bit of a queer fella, truth be told.

US Leader - There's never really been a terribly good US leader, at least that I can recall, that really mattered. It somewhat bothers me the amount of US leader's you've all written because while they might be important to your country, they haven't done nearly as much as a lot of the other 'candidates' have for the world. I think the term world leader transcends just one nation, though the old saying is proving increasingly accurate.
Canadian Leader - Pierre Elliot Trudeau, or Lester B. Pearson. Pearson SAVED the world at one point, mind you. if you can allow yourself to think holistically and outside the box. His call to the UN and Mike's speech to create the peacekeeping sect of the UN not only avoided certain catastrophe in the Crises of the time, but also continues to touch millions of lives all through history since (unfortunately not as many as we would have liked in Rwanda)
I like Romeo Dollaire is one of those unsung world leaders, and when I say leader in mean in the sense of example. That man had courage, and was also partially played by Nick Nolte in a movie - how many other leader's can say they're character was meshed with others and remained before being played by Nick Nolte?
As for England: Definately Churchill. I loved the man.
Woman: "Sir If you were my Husband - I would put poison in your Tea!"
Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife - I would drink it."
So much charisma, it burns.

For World Leaders: I like Napoleon Boneparte. Some call him an Anti-christ, but their mostly potsmoking Nostradamus nutbags - the man spread the ideals of the French Revolution all across Europe, beat the crap out of England, but made the terrible error of Attack Russia on russian turf. The downfall of most great leaders.

Does Bono not count because he's Irish?

Charlemagne.

No Question.

El Cid.

He was the most corrupt President of all time. He was a power mad socialist, a virtual dictator. It is because of him that the government is as freaking big as it is.

If only we'd had a true visionary like Calvin Coolidge or Herbert Hoover. FDR wasn't a socialist. There were socialists in the Democratic Party back then, and they were opponents of FDR (look up Huey Long in an encyclopedia.)

I personally feel that FDR is the Greatest and I think will be for a long time to come. As he had to go through a political struggle to be a President he had his personal struggle as well, as dealing with polio. Then once he became President he probably had the biggest financial mess a leader had to face, and to put the cherry on the top he had to deal with a war take took place on six different Continents. If you can name me any other leader that could deal with half that coming out of it with flying colors please do.

Please state your opinion as I would like to here it.

Thanks

I'll go for Washington as well as all the other's that formed our constitution. After the revolutionary war, everyone got together and found out .... "Hey we can't agree on anything!"

So they created a fluid and ever changing constitution.

What system of counting the continents do you use that gives you WWII taking place in six continents?

North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia.

Yep, there was action on six continents.

FDR sold Eastern Europe down the river when he fell for Stalins lies. I don't think thats a very great thing to do by any stretch of the imagination.

Winston Spencer Churchill.

There was a moment when what we do now was dependant on Britain holding off the Nazsties. Had Britain lost the 'Battle of Britain' and been invaded and defeated, Hitler would have had a completely free hand in the East. Stalin, eventually, would have lost his war. The Nazsties were a quantum leap ahead in rocketry and had nuclear power before anyone else. The Jews, Romanys and all sorts of 'undesirables' would have been extinguished. The British forces (like the Commonwealth forces, so under-estimated by Americans) in the Far-East would have been nuetralised and not able to fight the Japanese. All the Middle-Eastern oilfields would have been in Hitlers hands. The USA, battling Japan and probably Germany, would have been faced with the threat of nuclear attack by the 1950's.
Britain didn't lose the 'Battle of Britain'. Britain and its brave Commonwealth allies harried the continent with commando raids, bolstered and 'grew' the various underground movements in Europe and bombed the shit out of Germany.
Churchill put the back-bone into Britain, refused to contemplate any deal with the Germans and Italians and persuaded a reluctant America to sell/lease weapons to continue the fight ('Give us the tools and we will finish the job')
We are enjoying the fruits of relative freedom and democracy due to the courage of nations and their men and women. Churchill allowed all this to happen. No-one compares to him from any other period of history.

I think he's also counting Australia, which didn't have any major battles if any at all happening around there.

FDR to me was a great American leader, but not the best American, or for that matter, World Leader.

To me, I have about 5, the one I'll mention now is Charlemange. He dealt with the constant warfar when Europe was still falling apart in the early middle ages. He helped to unite a lot of the old Western Empire and created a new kind of european civilization by fusing christian, roman, and german ideas. He created a good system of law and order and helped to try to revive learning, which suceeded a little. He himself tried to make himself all the best he could be as an example to the people. His only mistake was dividing his empire. With proper leadership after him, there could have well be a permanint revival in Europe.

I hate to dispute you, but the Japanese invaded Papau New Guinea. Australia -> PNG is close to New York -> Detroit and England to Germany

I hate to dispute you, but the Japanese invaded Papau New Guinea. Australia -> PNG is close to New York -> Detroit and England to Germany

And as I've said above, the Anzacs fought in every theatre, bravely.

The only serious battles to have ever been fought in Australia, that we know of, were the ones between the Aboriginies. And they are vague at best.
Australia, continent of peace, compared to the rest anyway.

*bites lip* You know...they all suck.

*bites lip* You know...they all suck.

Who the gays? Yeah we know.

Who the gays? Yeah we know.

Some gays suck. And some women! And some of us rather appreciate it too! :D

Homophobes, on the other hand, have no redeeming qualities.

Some gays suck. And some women! And some of us rather appreciate it too! :D
Homophobes, on the other hand, have no redeeming qualities.

You must be one of them then. :rolleyes:
But seriously, Im not a homophobe, or any other phobe, or ist, you want to pull out of your little pc dictionary to identify people on here.

FDR sold Eastern Europe down the river when he fell for Stalins lies. I don't think thats a very great thing to do by any stretch of the imagination.

FDR was in opposition to Stalin, and probably would have given Patton permission to keep right on truckin' his way to Moscow if he'd lived. When he died Truman took over, and Truman was the one to agree with Stalin's propaganda.

FDR was in opposition to Stalin, and probably would have given Patton permission to keep right on truckin' his way to Moscow if he'd lived. When he died Truman took over, and Truman was the one to agree with Stalin's propaganda.

Ooops. Thanks for pointing it out. I got my wires crossed somehow, which is kind of stupid, given the fact that my family is from Eastern Europe and had to flee our ancestral home as direct result of Trumans gulability.

Gaius Julius Caesar, seriously a lot of people know who he was (which is more then could be said for a substantial number of great men through the ages) but when you get into what he actually DID; the scope of his politics, his conquest, and his outright audacity this man deserves a hell of a lot more respect then he gets. He was a Roman in every sense of the word.
Though you could argue that Augustus was a better ruler, as Rome under him expanded and took control over most of the then-known world. He solidified the rules and regulations that set Rome up as the sole World power for the next few centuries. If a weak incapable person had succeeded Caesar, it's pretty doubtful Rome would have become so great.

Who I feel is the Greatest World Leader of all Time.
While I'm not gay, I'm willing to put up with the discomfort of being felt up for a few minutes by America--- if it means I then become the 'Greatest World Leader of all Time'. When can I arrange a time and place to carry this out?
Incidently, when did you realise you had this strange and potent power?

Ooops. Thanks for pointing it out. I got my wires crossed somehow, which is kind of stupid, given the fact that my family is from Eastern Europe and had to flee our ancestral home as direct result of Trumans gulability.

No prob, a lot of people I know have made that mistake.

While I'm not gay, I'm willing to put up with the discomfort of being felt up for a few minutes by America--- if it means I then become the 'Greatest World Leader of all Time'. When can I arrange a time and place to carry this out?
Incidently, when did you realise you had this strange and potent power?

Muahaha.

I noticed a lot of people on this forum don't like him but my favorite world leader of all time is Fidel Castro. I don't know if he counts as a world leader but Ernesto Guevera is also one of my favorites.

Jose Figueres Ferrer of Costa Rica.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%E9_Figueres_Ferrer

You probably haven't heard of him, but he was a social-democratic leader in the late 40's and 50's. He managed to create a very stable and democratic country, and maintain it even with an abolition of the military force.

Then the gal or guy who done the speading would qualify as the greatest leader, not Jesus. Do you know her name?
Saul.

Gandhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi), by far. He was indeed a world leader. He freed India and Pakistan from the British Empire, with close to no violence from their side. He was a good person in every way.

Then maybe the Dalai Lama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzin_Gyatso%2C_14th_Dalai_Lama) should be up there. And Fridtjof Nansen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fridtjof_Nansen), though he was never an actual prime minister or president, he had a very important position in Norway around 1900-1930, and many wanted him to be our king or president, when we parted from the union with Sweden in 1905.

I noticed a lot of people on this forum don't like him but my favorite world leader of all time is Fidel Castro.

Ol' Fidel can't quite cut it as the BEST leader of all time, but he's certainly close to it I say.

*cough* Are.... you... serious...

FIDEL CASTRO?

Communist dictator, mass murderer, idiot Fidel?

Are you a communist? That would explain a lot.

I would have to say Lincoln (by far the most conscientous president) or Napoleon were the greatest world leaders. Napoleon inspired men to do things that were far beyond their wildest dreams. He single-heartedly captured the hearts of a whole nation! Twice! You cannot beat that, even if you disagree with his plans for world domination/eradication of a full generation of France's men that was still felt in WW1.

It may have escaped the general attention, but so far, there has never been a "world leader"... Historical fact.

As for globaly important leaders, the first two people I would name are Ghandi and Gorbatshov. They are great and outstanding figures because they lead in a pacifistic way, and achieved the almost unimaginable. One bringing the biggest empire ever to have existed to its knees and the other initialising changes in a corrupt dictatorship that spanned two continents.

However, if for some reason or other you want to disqualify peaceful leaders, I would then have to name Alexander the Great, Attila, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Stalin and Hitler... nice little bunch, aren't they?

I would have to say Lincoln (by far the most conscientous president) or Napoleon were the greatest world leaders. Napoleon inspired men to do things that were far beyond their wildest dreams. He single-heartedly captured the hearts of a whole nation! Twice! You cannot beat that, even if you disagree with his plans for world domination/eradication of a full generation of France's men that was still felt in WW1.

True... although I think that Napoleon's largest and lasting achievement was the "Code Civil".

I would nominate emperor Augustus for biggest world leader. During his time the pax romana brought great wealth to the empire, the boreders were save (more or less) and he formed a single empire throughout Europe, Northern Africa and Asia.

In more recent times i would like to nominate Konrad Adenauer. He was first chancelor of Germany after WWII. He was responsible for the strong growth of the German economy and lead Germany to become one of the worlds wealthies nations till now.

I would nominate emperor Augustus for biggest world leader. During his time the pax romana brought great wealth to the empire, the boreders were save (more or less) and he formed a single empire throughout Europe, Northern Africa and Asia.

In more recent times i would like to nominate Konrad Adenauer. He was first chancelor of Germany after WWII. He was responsible for the strong growth of the German economy and lead Germany to become one of the worlds wealthies nations till now.

ADENAUER??? Wow, you surprised me...

True, he was the first chancellor, he was - to some extend - responsilbe for the economic growth, although I would put that down to Erhard. More importanly, he was responsible for close friendly relations between Germany and France, an incredible feat. But a leader? Naaa... somehow that word really doesn't fit the ol' rosegardener...

*cough* Are.... you... serious...

FIDEL CASTRO?

Communist dictator, mass murderer, idiot Fidel?

Are you a communist? That would explain a lot.

You obviously have been brainwashed, to some extent, by American propaganda (probably about communism, as well, since apparently you try to use it as an insult).

Take a look/read at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro

I personally feel that FDR is the Greatest and I think will be for a long time to come. As he had to go through a political struggle to be a President he had his personal struggle as well, as dealing with polio. Then once he became President he probably had the biggest financial mess a leader had to face, and to put the cherry on the top he had to deal with a war take took place on six different Continents. If you can name me any other leader that could deal with half that coming out of it with flying colors please do.

FDR [to the first poster] wasn’t a great leader. I’m not sure what his domestic policies were like, but on foreign policy it was a mess. After WWII he suggested that self-detremination should be put into practise in Europe – Britain quickly stepped in and reminded him that this would actually give Germany MORE territory than it had before the war. He trusted Stalin over Churchill, which was very naïve, and demanded that Britain should give all its colonies full independence – strangely, this didn’t extend to the Russian Empire or the American Territories (the Phillipians, etc), only the maritime empires who were willing to help America against Russia. It’s not logical to weaken your allies when a big threat is looming, no-matter how noble it is to want the empires broken up (perhaps they could have been made federal in the modal of the US? Though that’s hard to imagine). Plus getting Britain and France to pull out of Africa and Asia SO quickly, before the proper institutions for democracy and government were set in place left the place in a state of civil wars, some unnecessary famines, genocides (though this is more of a critism of American policy in general, but it was started by him) – today Sierra Leone (dunno the spelling) has protests [and the majority] begging the British to come back. He was idealistic, but not practical.

JFK was a better American Leader, IMO. Though I don’t know his domestic policies. In a crisis, Churchill is the best leader. Ghandi was a good leader. I don’t think there are any great leaders today.
Napoleon was a brilliant leader - to have raised an army for the Hundred Days and win back the support of the nation after it's defeat under it and almost win against a allience of the world's great powers? Then if he did lose in the end.

Also - Fidel Castro wasn't orignally a communist; he was a socailist, which the Americans took as communism. With American hostility against him, he turned to the USSR, and became more communist and surrounded himself with communists. I'm not sure if he's more moderate (than he was) now or not.