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The BNP, possibly the most hated party in Britain by the sane majority, and recipient of about 800'000 votes last elections, even winning seats such as Bradford. The BNP have denied being a racist party, so lets judge for ourselves shall we?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/candidates2005/man_menu.htm

Among the titles are included such non-racist ( :rolleyes: ) articles as "Abolishing multi-culturalism, preserving Identity" and such gems of non-racism as
2. We demand the right to preserve our culture, heritage, and identity. Our national character and native institutions are a precious inheritance, for which our ancestors have paid a high price over the centuries. They are not to be casually thrown away in the name of a "modernisation" that is often no more than a thinly-veiled cover for a quasi-Marxist cultural war against all things white, European and male.

I'm sure there are plenty more racist aims and goals to be found in here, this was only after a cursory inspection. Is there anybody in Britain, or in the world, who truly believes that the BNP are not racist?

I support some of their policies. Their opposition to affirmative action and illegal immigration I applaud. However, their racism and desire to return all immigrants (even legal ones) disgusts me.

Haha BNP can suck my dick.

It's not just us "darkies" they wish to annihliate. They also want women back in the home, pregnant and barefoot.

It they weren't a serious (pseuso-)party it would be hilarious.

Whatever happened to those delightful young men of the National Front?

The BNP Manifesto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_kampf)

Everyone knows what the 'N' in BNP really stands for.

why dont they just change their name back to BUF it would be far better.

Haha BNP can suck my dick.

I doubt they want to, they ain't gay thankfully. get some left-wing liberal people to suck your dick. Oh and notice the change i made to your name.

I doubt they want to, they ain't gay thankfully. get some left-wing liberal people to suck your dick. Oh and notice the change i made to your name.


they arent gay THANKFULLY? whats wrong with being gay?

They'd have to go to concentration camps and kill themselves if they were.

I doubt they want to, they ain't gay thankfully. get some left-wing liberal people to suck your dick. Oh and notice the change i made to your name.

Woah thanks for changing my name +10 pts.
...And why 'thankfully'?

The BNP, possibly the most hated party in Britain by the sane majority, and recipient of about 800'000 votes last elections, even winning seats such as Bradford. The BNP have denied being a racist party, so lets judge for ourselves shall we?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/candidates2005/man_menu.htm

Among the titles are included such non-racist ( :rolleyes: ) articles as "Abolishing multi-culturalism, preserving Identity" and such gems of non-racism as


I'm sure there are plenty more racist aims and goals to be found in here, this was only after a cursory inspection. Is there anybody in Britain, or in the world, who truly believes that the BNP are not racist?


I don't agree with the majority of the policies of the BNP, but what is wrong with wanting to preserve the culture and heritage of the British people. We are told that we must respect the culture of the ethnic minorities living in the UK, and i agree with that, but the majority must also have there culture respected by the minority.

A recent case in a school saw a white girl sent home because she had her hair braided into 'cornrow' plats. The school described this as a 'extreme' hairstyle but also said that if she had been coloured the style would have been allowed as it refleced cultural heritage. To me this is racist just as much as when we had signs saying 'No Blacks allowed'.

We must strive for a balanced society in which no person or peoples are disciminated against OR in favor of on grounds of race, creed, gender, age, size or sexual orientation.

i'm not British (at least not a national, plenty of English blood though) so i don't know how many meaningful things i can add. i would just like to say i'm disapointed by how many people blindly follow the media's spin on the BNP, if you look past the allegations of racism (not a particularly well defined term) you can see a party with a pretty well thought out social platform. i wouldn't claim to be an expert in UK politics but most of you should take a look at the other planks in that party's platform before you rush to judgement. i'm not saying iagree with everything they say but it is interesting stuff.


Haha BNP can suck my dick.

what a meaningful way to contribute to this thread...

Looks like National Socialism is well and alive.

Well as i actually live in Bradford, I get to see these messages belted out every day by some idiot on the street corner.

Granted I would like to see British heritage preserved, but as long as it teaches what it actually means to BE british, i.e. a group islands that has been a huge melting pot of various cultures for the past 2000 years and that they will continue to be so for the next 2000 years if not more hopefully. Not some bull crap that the BNP want to tell everyone.

British culture?

What is that? Going out drinking so much you are sick?
Tea parties with the vicar?
Cornish pasties?

I don't agree with the majority of the policies of the BNP, but what is wrong with wanting to preserve the culture and heritage of the British people. .
Was that the culture pre Rome? or pre-Normans? or before we had French, German, Dutch and spanish royalty adding customs.
Or is culture a static thing which can't be allowed to mutate?
I agree we need equality of treatment between cultural divisions but that's mostly politcal correctness gone bonkers.
I went to a traditional British May festival yesterday.
It was persided over by druids, with catering by Seikhs, Indian dancing, turkish dancing, African stories etc etc etc. It did seem to encompass the whole of BRITISH life to me.
As for the BNP are not both their leader and founder on charges of inciting racial hatred?
Case closed

i'm not British (at least not a national, plenty of English blood though) so i don't know how many meaningful things i can add. i would just like to say i'm disapointed by how many people blindly follow the media's spin on the BNP, if you look past the allegations of racism (not a particularly well defined term) you can see a party with a pretty well thought out social platform. i wouldn't claim to be an expert in UK politics but most of you should take a look at the other planks in that party's platform before you rush to judgement. i'm not saying iagree with everything they say but it is interesting stuff.

What?

Many of their members are neo-Nazis. Their leader has just been sent to prison. Their is so much racism in the BNP it is overwhelming. They had one member who has been sent to prison after stabbing a lawyer because he was Jewish.

i'm not British (at least not a national, plenty of English blood though) so i don't know how many meaningful things i can add. i would just like to say i'm disapointed by how many people blindly follow the media's spin on the BNP, if you look past the allegations of racism (not a particularly well defined term) you can see a party with a pretty well thought out social platform. i wouldn't claim to be an expert in UK politics but most of you should take a look at the other planks in that party's platform before you rush to judgement. i'm not saying iagree with everything they say but it is interesting stuff.




perhaps you dont understand, these people are evil, everysingle one of their policies is utter crap, even the ones not related to racism which when reading their manifesto is hard to get away from

Now, I wonder how many flames I will receive after posting this…. However, I will be voting BNP on polling day, why? Well it’s rather simple, I could simply say its because of this this and this, but its really not.

It’s because I have grown slightly racist over the years, with my wife and children following the growing tension in our community. I live in a small countryside town, the population was all British, we lived in peace, quiet and had a good life, until the asylum seekers came. Until the immigrants swarmed us. Harsh language, but a realistic interpretation nonetheless.

My little towns crime rate was very low, we used to be able to leave our homes and not be broken into, but since the Scottish executives policy has been to dilute and disperse (A method of excreting pollution) we have had increasing amounts of ethnic diversity growing in our town. We don’t want it.

From the introduction of the foreigners, housing shortages in my constituency has tripled; I have a cousin, with two children who can’t get a council house because of the immigrants occupying them. My son, can’t get a job, not even a simple retail one because the immigrants are taking all the positions, offering to work for cheaper wages undercutting all of us.

They are moving in, taking over our lands, attempting to turn our country into theirs. They even applied to build mosque….ridiculous after the Christmas incident. What happened on Christmas….. well, I shall tell you. At midnight mass, when all of us were celebrating the birth of Christ, being happy and celebrating in our faith, the church was attacked by three Muslims, one with a sword moved into the church, brandishing us all heretics, disrupting our service, and threatening to kill us. He moved up towards the alter, however he suddenly lost “faith” when confronted by a hundred angry and insulted parishioners. The other two, began to tear down the nativity display outside, built by my daughter and her Sunday school friends, defacing the gravestones, and threatening to burn us alive. Indeed, we should respect their faith, but what about ours?

They have begun to attack areas in the town where they are not welcome. Ever since they arrived my life, my communities life has gone downhill, I hope the BNP get into power, I am sick to death of being afraid to walk the streets at night, sick to death of having to defend my religion and culture from foreign economic migrants. They come here, leech off the NHS, leech off our disability and welfare system, while pensioners are struggling to survive. How is that fair?

How is it fair that the government will assist those who have not made a single contribution to this nation, but allow its elderly, loyal population to suffer in poverty. It’s not. Why should my taxes go to people who disrespect my nation, and my culture, when, if I do it, I am brandished a racist, a bigot, and an evil man. Nonsense. Multi cultural systems don’t work? Why, apart from history dictating it of course, but there is always a struggle for dominance, of which the minorities are slowly winning. We have become to afraid to say the truth since world war two, due to the fear of being brandished national socialist. But lets be honest here. Racism will always exist, people will dislike other cultures, other faiths, it is after all human nature.

Now, I wonder how many flames I will receive after posting this…. However, I will be voting BNP on polling day, why? Well it’s rather simple, I could simply say its because of this this and this, but its really not.

It’s because I have grown slightly racist over the years, with my wife and children following the growing tension in our community. I live in a small countryside town, the population was all British, we lived in peace, quiet and had a good life, until the asylum seekers came. Until the immigrants swarmed us. Harsh language, but a realistic interpretation nonetheless.

My little towns crime rate was very low, we used to be able to leave our homes and not be broken into, but since the Scottish executives policy has been to dilute and disperse (A method of excreting pollution) we have had increasing amounts of ethnic diversity growing in our town. We don’t want it.

From the introduction of the foreigners, housing shortages in my constituency has tripled; I have a cousin, with two children who can’t get a council house because of the immigrants occupying them. My son, can’t get a job, not even a simple retail one because the immigrants are taking all the positions, offering to work for cheaper wages undercutting all of us.

They are moving in, taking over our lands, attempting to turn our country into theirs. They even applied to build mosque….ridiculous after the Christmas incident. What happened on Christmas….. well, I shall tell you. At midnight mass, when all of us were celebrating the birth of Christ, being happy and celebrating in our faith, the church was attacked by three Muslims, one with a sword moved into the church, brandishing us all heretics, disrupting our service, and threatening to kill us. He moved up towards the alter, however he suddenly lost “faith” when confronted by a hundred angry and insulted parishioners. The other two, began to tear down the nativity display outside, built by my daughter and her Sunday school friends, defacing the gravestones, and threatening to burn us alive. Indeed, we should respect their faith, but what about ours?

They have begun to attack areas in the town where they are not welcome. Ever since they arrived my life, my communities life has gone downhill, I hope the BNP get into power, I am sick to death of being afraid to walk the streets at night, sick to death of having to defend my religion and culture from foreign economic migrants. They come here, leech off the NHS, leech off our disability and welfare system, while pensioners are struggling to survive. How is that fair?

How is it fair that the government will assist those who have not made a single contribution to this nation, but allow its elderly, loyal population to suffer in poverty. It’s not. Why should my taxes go to people who disrespect my nation, and my culture, when, if I do it, I am brandished a racist, a bigot, and an evil man. Nonsense. Multi cultural systems don’t work? Why, apart from history dictating it of course, but there is always a struggle for dominance, of which the minorities are slowly winning. We have become to afraid to say the truth since world war two, due to the fear of being brandished national socialist. But lets be honest here. Racism will always exist, people will dislike other cultures, other faiths, it is after all human nature.

I hope with a hundred witnesses that the police were informed of the christmas incident.

Why should they not have a mosque? You have a church.

Did christianity start in Britain? No. So what right do you have to tell muslims that their religion is not as valuable as yours?

Why can your son not work for the same wage as the other contenders for the post? Or is there another reason why he isn't being hired?

The main problem with housing is caused by the right-to-buy leading to less council housing being available, but why should white people take precedence for council housing over non-whites? Surely need is the most important factor - young children, disability etc.

Multi-cultural systems do work. Do you think British culture has always been like this? We didn't invent christianity and we had a feudal system for hundreds of years, but things change.

And as for 'leeching off the NHS' the NHS was founded on the principle that anyone could get health care - even temporary visitors.

I hope with a hundred witnesses that the police were informed of the christmas incident.

Why should they not have a mosque? You have a church.

Did christianity start in Britain? No. So what right do you have to tell muslims that their religion is not as valuable as yours?

Why can your son not work for the same wage as the other contenders for the post? Or is there another reason why he isn't being hired?

The main problem with housing is caused by the right-to-buy leading to less council housing being available, but why should white people take precedence for council housing over non-whites? Surely need is the most important factor - young children, disability etc.

Multi-cultural systems do work. Do you think British culture has always been like this? We didn't invent christianity and we had a feudal system for hundreds of years, but things change.

And as for 'leeching of the NHS' the NHS was founded on the principle that anyone could get health care - even temporary visitors.

I'm glad you said that. It saved me having to.
It is a shame when one's beliefs are threatened in this way and it is a practice that is undefendable.
I personally am a pagan and when we, in conjuction with 6 or 7 other local faith groups (all non-christian) wanted to build a stone circle to celebrate in on land supplied by the local council a poison pen letter to the local paper by a christian group caused the plans to be cancelled.
It's not as bad as personal threats but it is wrong.
Cultural hatred does not go one way and didn't jesus teach to turn the other cheek and accept the stranger into your home?

I'm glad you said that. It saved me having to.
It is a shame when one's beliefs are threatened in this way and it is a practice that is undefendable.
I personally am a pagan and when we, in conjuction with 6 or 7 other local faith groups (all non-christian) wanted to build a stone circle to celebrate in on land supplied by the local council a poison pen letter to the local paper by a christian group caused the plans to be cancelled.
It's not as bad as personal threats but it is wrong.
Cultural hatred does not go one way and didn't jesus teach to turn the other cheek and accept the stranger into your home?

If you are druidic pagans then you have more of a claim to 'British culture' than christians do.

What happened on Christmas….. well, I shall tell you. At midnight mass, when all of us were celebrating the birth of Christ, being happy and celebrating in our faith, the church was attacked by three Muslims, one with a sword moved into the church, brandishing us all heretics, disrupting our service, and threatening to kill us. He moved up towards the alter, however he suddenly lost “faith” when confronted by a hundred angry and insulted parishioners. The other two, began to tear down the nativity display outside, built by my daughter and her Sunday school friends, defacing the gravestones, and threatening to burn us alive. Indeed, we should respect their faith, but what about ours?Good job forming an opinion about an entire religion based on the actions of 3 people. I applaud you.

My son, can’t get a job, not even a simple retail one because the immigrants are taking all the positions, offering to work for cheaper wages undercutting all of us.

So why doesn't your son just offer to work for less wages?

So why doesn't your son just offer to work for less wages?


ok... whilst I don't agree with this persons statements... I don't think that is fair in the least. See... people need to be given a living wage, not a subsistence wage. It is unfair to assume that anyone should work for wages not representative of the work they do. I wouldn't.

I hope with a hundred witnesses that the police were informed of the christmas incident.

The police were informed and the criminals are waiting for a court appearance, they are currently still on the streets released on Bail.

Why should they not have a mosque? You have a church.

Why should they not have a mosque, primarily as I, and I can safely say my community do not want their culture anywhere near us, we are sick of it, and would like it to remain in their own nations, for every ten peaceful Muslims, the mosque may attract one hate filled monster, just like those who turned up at Christmas. I have a duty to insure as minimal danger as possible reaches my community.

Multi-cultural systems do work. Do you think British culture has always been like this? We didn't invent christianity and we had a feudal system for hundreds of years, but things change.

Thirdly, Christianity did not start in the U.K, very true but what does that have to do with anything? My comment was that we reserve the right to follow our religion without interruption or slander, however that right is being ignored. Christians in this predominantly, and officially Christian nation, are being slandered by foreigners, but if I were to slander them I would be dragged before the courts, a prime example of minority bias in the system.

Multi cultural systems do work? Really, I’m sorry I must be insane. What happens when a new culture in introduced to an older more dominant one, they fight, they struggle and eventually one will rise to dominance, removing the multi cultural part of the nation. Yes your example suits my needs perfectly, look at the United Kingdom, it wasn’t always Christian, until the Pagans were brutally crushed, slaughtered and converted, turning the United Kingdom into a Christian nation, so where is the example of multi cultural societies working there?

The main problem with housing is caused by the right-to-buy leading to less council housing being available, but why should white people take precedence for council housing over non-whites? Surely need is the most important factor - young children, disability etc.

Now, I never said anything about colour, I only commented on cultural differences, however my point quite clearly stands and is valid. We should be giving priority to those who were born and bred in this nation as it is the primary responsibility of ones government to care for its own first and foremost, that is why we should not be giving homes to foreigners, not until homelessness of every Born and bred British citizen is removed should we begin to even think about housing others from foreign nations, who have only drained the system up until this point.

Why can your son not work for the same wage as the other contenders for the post? Or is there another reason why he isn't being hired?

That is a poorly veiled insult, however there is the legal minimum wage enforced in this nation, and my son will not go below it, why not? As it should not be allowed. The fact of the matter is that corporations are hiring cheap immigrant labour in the United Kingdom as they can get away of it. But all offending businesses have been reported, but nothing is being done.


And as for 'leeching of the NHS' the NHS was founded on the principle that anyone could get health care - even temporary visitors.

But the question today is, should we put more pressure on an already crippled and struggling service. Every minute that we assist someone else from another nation is another minute that a British citizen, who has paid into the service, is in pain, or is dying. We should we help others before ourselves?

If you are druidic pagans then you have more of a claim to 'British culture' than christians do.
It's debatable (although I think so) so I didn't mention it to avoid thread jacking

That is a poorly veiled insult, however there is the legal minimum wage enforced in this nation, and my son will not go below it, why not? As it should not be allowed. The fact of the matter is that corporations are hiring cheap immigrant labour in the United Kingdom as they can get away of it. But all offending businesses have been reported, but nothing is being done.


Surely this is the fault of the companies rather than the immigrants? Wouldn't you be better off campaigning for minimum wage laws to be better enforced?

I hope with a hundred witnesses that the police were informed of the christmas incident.

The police were informed and the criminals are waiting for a court appearance, they are currently still on the streets released on Bail.

Why should they not have a mosque? You have a church.

Why should they not have a mosque, primarily as I, and I can safely say my community do not want their culture anywhere near us, we are sick of it, and would like it to remain in their own nations, for every ten peaceful Muslims, the mosque may attract one hate filled monster, just like those who turned up at Christmas. I have a duty to insure as minimal danger as possible reaches my community.

Multi-cultural systems do work. Do you think British culture has always been like this? We didn't invent christianity and we had a feudal system for hundreds of years, but things change.

Thirdly, Christianity did not start in the U.K, very true but what does that have to do with anything? My comment was that we reserve the right to follow our religion without interruption or slander, however that right is being ignored. Christians in this predominantly, and officially Christian nation, are being slandered by foreigners, but if I were to slander them I would be dragged before the courts, a prime example of minority bias in the system.

Multi cultural systems do work? Really, I’m sorry I must be insane. What happens when a new culture in introduced to an older more dominant one, they fight, they struggle and eventually one will rise to dominance, removing the multi cultural part of the nation. Yes your example suits my needs perfectly, look at the United Kingdom, it wasn’t always Christian, until the Pagans were brutally crushed, slaughtered and converted, turning the United Kingdom into a Christian nation, so where is the example of multi cultural societies working there?

The main problem with housing is caused by the right-to-buy leading to less council housing being available, but why should white people take precedence for council housing over non-whites? Surely need is the most important factor - young children, disability etc.

Now, I never said anything about colour, I only commented on cultural differences, however my point quite clearly stands and is valid. We should be giving priority to those who were born and bred in this nation as it is the primary responsibility of ones government to care for its own first and foremost, that is why we should not be giving homes to foreigners, not until homelessness of every Born and bred British citizen is removed should we begin to even think about housing others from foreign nations, who have only drained the system up until this point.

Why can your son not work for the same wage as the other contenders for the post? Or is there another reason why he isn't being hired?

That is a poorly veiled insult, however there is the legal minimum wage enforced in this nation, and my son will not go below it, why not? As it should not be allowed. The fact of the matter is that corporations are hiring cheap immigrant labour in the United Kingdom as they can get away of it. But all offending businesses have been reported, but nothing is being done.


And as for 'leeching of the NHS' the NHS was founded on the principle that anyone could get health care - even temporary visitors.

But the question today is, should we put more pressure on an already crippled and struggling service. Every minute that we assist someone else from another nation is another minute that a British citizen, who has paid into the service, is in pain, or is dying. We should we help others before ourselves?

Your right to follow your religion is not being ignored, you said yourself these people are being prosecuted.

Your view of Muslims is very concerning. You seem to assume all Muslims are foreigners and that there are armies of Muslim extremists coming to kill you. That is not the case. I live in london. We have lots of mosques, churches and synagogues. Muslims here are not trying to kill me.

If nothing is being done to stop companies breaking minimum wage rules you should ensure they are reported to;
- your local trading standards
- the inland revenue
- your local MP
- your local council
- the police

By your own admission christianity is a violent religion that 'crushed' paganism. I think therefore that all churches should be given up to pagans. Sound fair? No. Everyone has the right to religious expression, not just the majority religion.

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i beg you to reconsider. the BUF are fascists, the same type of fascists which your parents and my grandparents sacrificed everything to stop. it amazes me how the BNP say they are oh so proud of british history and culture, but conveniently forget about this countrys finest hour, when we defeated nazi germany and fascism. if you have to vote for a party which will be very right wing when dealing with these issues, vote conservative. of course the best thing for you to do would be for you to see the light and vote lib dem or green, but i doubt that will happen.

Good job forming an opinion about an entire religion based on the actions of 3 people. I applaud you.

I never said I based my opinions on their religion from that experience, I only used it the demonstrate my justified concerns. However my opinions on the Muslim faith and culture haveset many years before that and many years before 9/11. Like it or not there will always be extremists of both faiths, and unfortunately the Muslim faith in this day and age, can stir more aggressive tendencies upon its followers.

Their faith, for the most part is a fantastic one, I especially respect the five pillars, most of all I respect the fith Zakat. However, religions will always come into conflict, and in a majority Christian state, is it fair on the Majority to subject them to a minorities rights and feelings? Of course this will generate dislike and racial tension, it would be naïve of us not to believe it wouldn’t.

My opinions have been formed over years, and it all results down to a simple line. Very nice, but don’t do it near me.

The police were informed and the criminals are waiting for a court appearance, they are currently still on the streets released on Bail.
As would any person accused of a crime who can pay bail.


Why should they not have a mosque, primarily as I, and I can safely say my community do not want their culture anywhere near us, we are sick of it, and would like it to remain in their own nations, for every ten peaceful Muslims, the mosque may attract one hate filled monster, just like those who turned up at Christmas. I have a duty to insure as minimal danger as possible reaches my community. It's irrelevent whether or not you want them there, they have a right to be there. I'm sure there will more likely be anti-muslims turning up at the mosque than anti-christians turning up at the church.


Thirdly, Christianity did not start in the U.K, very true but what does that have to do with anything? My comment was that we reserve the right to follow our religion without interruption or slander, however that right is being ignored. Christians in this predominantly, and officially Christian nation, are being slandered by foreigners, but if I were to slander them I would be dragged before the courts, a prime example of minority bias in the system.If you try to institute a theocracy, you should be slandered.

Now, I never said anything about colour, I only commented on cultural differences, however my point quite clearly stands and is valid. We should be giving priority to those who were born and bred in this nation as it is the primary responsibility of ones government to care for its own first and foremost, that is why we should not be giving homes to foreigners, not until homelessness of every Born and bred British citizen is removed should we begin to even think about housing others from foreign nations, who have only drained the system up until this point.Once someone immigrates, they become part of the populace of the country, and therefore become the "country's own."

That is a poorly veiled insult, however there is the legal minimum wage enforced in this nation, and my son will not go below it, why not? As it should not be allowed. The fact of the matter is that corporations are hiring cheap immigrant labour in the United Kingdom as they can get away of it. But all offending businesses have been reported, but nothing is being done.
Clearly if people are getting away with paying people below the minimum wage, then it is not being enforced.
But the question today is, should we put more pressure on an already crippled and struggling service. Every minute that we assist someone else from another nation is another minute that a British citizen, who has paid into the service, is in pain, or is dying. We should we help others before ourselves?Why should the system be struggling? Give it more funding.

Now, I wonder how many flames I will receive after posting this…. However, I will be voting BNP on polling day, why? Well it’s rather simple, I could simply say its because of this this and this, but its really not.

It is your democratic right to vote for the BNP. However, it is not a path I would logically and rationally follow.

It’s because I have grown slightly racist over the years, with my wife and children following the growing tension in our community. I live in a small countryside town, the population was all British, we lived in peace, quiet and had a good life, until the asylum seekers came. Until the immigrants swarmed us. Harsh language, but a realistic interpretation nonetheless.

I would hardly call an 8% immigrant population (including successive British-born generations) in the UK a swarm. A swarm would constitute 40%, even by my pro-immigration and EU Federalist views.

My little towns crime rate was very low, we used to be able to leave our homes and not be broken into, but since the Scottish executives policy has been to dilute and disperse (A method of excreting pollution) we have had increasing amounts of ethnic diversity growing in our town. We don’t want it.

You live in Scotland? Why am I not surprised that your crime rate has shot up? This of course has little to do with the immigrants and more to do with Mrs. Thatcher's economic landscaping which caused unemployment to sore. When people are out of work, they turn to crime. And before you blame the unemployment on the immigrants, please realise that their were'nt exactly enough jobs for anyone at this time, including immigrants.

From the introduction of the foreigners, housing shortages in my constituency has tripled; I have a cousin, with two children who can’t get a council house because of the immigrants occupying them. My son, can’t get a job, not even a simple retail one because the immigrants are taking all the positions, offering to work for cheaper wages undercutting all of us.

I would blame the housing shortage primarily on the post-war baby boom rather than immigration. In addition, the low wages afforded to the immigrants is largely the work of unscrupulous corporations rather than immigrants. If you were an immigrant, would you want such a slave wage?

They are moving in, taking over our lands, attempting to turn our country into theirs. They even applied to build mosque….ridiculous after the Christmas incident. What happened on Christmas….. well, I shall tell you. At midnight mass, when all of us were celebrating the birth of Christ, being happy and celebrating in our faith, the church was attacked by three Muslims, one with a sword moved into the church, brandishing us all heretics, disrupting our service, and threatening to kill us. He moved up towards the alter, however he suddenly lost “faith” when confronted by a hundred angry and insulted parishioners. The other two, began to tear down the nativity display outside, built by my daughter and her Sunday school friends, defacing the gravestones, and threatening to burn us alive. Indeed, we should respect their faith, but what about ours?

I would hardly consider the actions of three deranged lunatics to be an accurate reflection of Islam. Come to think of it, would you consider the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition to be an accurate reflection of Christianity?

They have begun to attack areas in the town where they are not welcome. Ever since they arrived my life, my communities life has gone downhill, I hope the BNP get into power, I am sick to death of being afraid to walk the streets at night, sick to death of having to defend my religion and culture from foreign economic migrants. They come here, leech off the NHS, leech off our disability and welfare system, while pensioners are struggling to survive. How is that fair?

Britishness; your sense of being British, your cultural sense, your historical knowledge (if any), lives in you and no one can take that away from you. The drain to the welfare system can be traced to fraudsters, predominantly white while the pension problems can be linked once again to Thatcher when she reindexed the state pension from against wages to against inflation causing it to fall behind the earning society.

How is it fair that the government will assist those who have not made a single contribution to this nation, but allow its elderly, loyal population to suffer in poverty. It’s not. Why should my taxes go to people who disrespect my nation, and my culture, when, if I do it, I am brandished a racist, a bigot, and an evil man. Nonsense. Multi cultural systems don’t work? Why, apart from history dictating it of course, but there is always a struggle for dominance, of which the minorities are slowly winning. We have become to afraid to say the truth since world war two, due to the fear of being brandished national socialist. But lets be honest here. Racism will always exist, people will dislike other cultures, other faiths, it is after all human nature.

Immigrants have and will probably continue to make a worthwhile contribution to our society. They clean our hospitals, act as doctors and do pretty much all the shitty jobs that no one else will do.

British culture?

What is that? Going out drinking so much you are sick?
Tea parties with the vicar?
Cornish pasties?
Just out of interest, what nationality are you? Everyone knows that our culture is built on quiche.

I just realised you are in Scotland. Are you not aware that the Scottish population is falling? You need immigrants of some kind to survive as a region.

Your view of Muslims is very concerning. You seem to assume all Muslims are foreigners and that there are armies of Muslim extremists coming to kill you. That is not the case. I live in london. We have lots of mosques, churches and synagogues. Muslims here are not trying to kill me.

If nothing is being done to stop companies breaking minimum wage rules you should ensure they are reported to;
- your local trading standards
- the inland revenue
- your local MP
- your local council
- the police

By your own admission christianity is a violent religion that 'crushed' paganism. I think therefore that all churches should be given up to pagans. Sound fair? No. Everyone has the right to religious expression, not just the majority religion.

As I said they have been reported.

My view on the Muslim faith isn’t one of detest and hatred, as I said, it is when foreigners from the middle east arrive and attempt to practice their harsh, restrictive version of Islam in the United Kingdom that will causes tensions and concerns.

It is only natural to grow defensive if your natural habitat as It were, was being encroached by foreigners, to say it wouldn’t would be a simple validation of Imperialism, is that right? No, I see this as a simple version of cultural Imperialism, which, I, like the Pagans before me will resist until my death.

I like my society the way it is, why should I have to change because others in their own nations are too inept to rise up and fight for democracy.

Why should I welcome them with open arms when most of them are economic migrants? Why should I accept strangers, and help them when people, I know, people who are in my own backyard are needing my help? (It is a metaphor if you don’t get it don’t comment.) You have yet to offer a suitable reason as to why we should help others before helping ourselves (As in the United Kingdom).

I love immigrants, let's have them all. Let them work, too. And let's get right in there with Europe! MELTING POT, PEOPLE!

Just out of interest, what nationality are you? Everyone knows that our culture is built on quiche.

I'm British - 1/4 Scottish, 3/4 English

Quiche. Yes, I'll accept that on the list.

And Delia Smith.

Oh, and sucking at sport.

I'm British - 1/4 Scottish, 3/4 English

Quiche. Yes, I'll accept that on the list.

And Delia Smith.

Oh, and sucking at sport.
Lol, HELL YEAH! I think also a general consensus that breasts should not be shown in public (we have hardly ANY nudist beaches, it's a travesty!). Also, bitching about the government (I'm proud of this), and looking back fondly at the days when we had an Empire (this pisses me off). And poor architecture from the 70s.

As I said they have been reported.

My view on the Muslim faith isn’t one of detest and hatred, as I said, it is when foreigners from the middle east arrive and attempt to practice their harsh, restrictive version of Islam in the United Kingdom that will causes tensions and concerns.

It is only natural to grow defensive if your natural habitat as It were, was being encroached by foreigners, to say it wouldn’t would be a simple validation of Imperialism, is that right? No, I see this as a simple version of cultural Imperialism, which, I, like the Pagans before me will resist until my death.

I like my society the way it is, why should I have to change because others in their own nations are too inept to rise up and fight for democracy.

Why should I welcome them with open arms when most of them are economic migrants? Why should I accept strangers, and help them when people, I know, people who are in my own backyard are needing my help? (It is a metaphor if you don’t get it don’t comment.) You have yet to offer a suitable reason as to why we should help others before helping ourselves (As in the United Kingdom).

As a British Atheist I respect your right to have a church, why do you deny Muslims right to have a mosque?

Too inept? That is an insult. The Iraqis rebelled after the first Gulf War and we left them to die. How dare you insult them like this, you sick bigot.

Read the good Samaritan you christian hypocrite. Jesus said 'Help yourself and your next door neighbour, but bugger everyone else' did he?

And finally Scotland is suffering from a population fall caused by lack of children and emmigration of young people to England. And if you are representitive of Scotland, I can see why they are leaving.

It's irrelevent whether or not you want them there, they have a right to be there. I'm sure there will more likely be anti-muslims turning up at the mosque than anti-christians turning up at the church.

They have a right to be here? I disagree and so does the home office, otherwise they wouldn’t deport the hundreds of economic migrants that they manage to catch every year, a mere trickle of those that breech the system.


If you try to institute a theocracy, you should be slandered.
I never said I attempted to institute a theocracy, my point incase you misread my statement, is that the United Kingdom is officially a Christian protestant nation, and insulting theocracies isn’t very multi cultural of you is it?


Once someone immigrates, they become part of the populace of the country, and therefore become the "country's own."

My point still remains that they shouldn’t become a part of the nation until we help our own first of all, and some asylum applications take years to process, where upon they live off the welfare system, use the NHS, while waiting on being admitted. So your point in quintessentially flawed.


Why should the system be struggling? Give it more funding.

Yes, give it more funding, a very simple answer, guess what, the government doesn’t have unlimited funds. *rolls eyes*

Yes, give it more funding, a very simple answer, guess what, the government doesn’t have unlimited funds. *rolls eyes*


and i bet you are all in favour of tax cuts by the million.

I just realised you are in Scotland. Are you not aware that the Scottish population is falling? You need immigrants of some kind to survive as a region.

A common misconception. The Scottish economy is under performing the rest of the U.K due to many economic problems. Accepting migrants from other nations is just a fix it quick solution, we have to improvise schemes and solutions to stop our young people leaving Scotland for other opportunities down south.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8782435&postcount=11

They have a right to be here? I disagree and so does the home office, otherwise they wouldn’t deport the hundreds of economic migrants that they manage to catch every year, a mere trickle of those that breech the system.I was referring to the ones that went there legally.


I never said I attempted to institute a theocracy, my point incase you misread my statement, is that the United Kingdom is officially a Christian protestant nation, and insulting theocracies isn’t very multi cultural of you is it?Not at all. Theocracies aren't intrinsic to cultures and can be completely separated from them.


My point still remains that they shouldn’t become a part of the nation until we help our own first of all, and some asylum applications take years to process, where upon they live off the welfare system, use the NHS, while waiting on being admitted. So your point in quintessentially flawed.Why does the process take years?


Yes, give it more funding, a very simple answer, guess what, the government doesn’t have unlimited funds. *rolls eyes*You had money to invade Iraq, if you have money to waste then you should have money for the necessary things.

A common misconception. The Scottish economy is under performing the rest of the U.K due to many economic problems. Accepting migrants from other nations is just a fix it quick solution, we have to improvise schemes and solutions to stop our young people leaving Scotland for other opportunities down south.

It's not a misconception. Look at the statistics on www.gro-scotland.gov.uk

the population is falling.

Too inept? That is an insult. The Iraqis rebelled after the first Gulf War and we left them to die. How dare you insult them like this, you sick bigot.

But nonetheless my point stands. The Iraqi people rose without popular support, the majority of the nation were too afraid or too foolish to all rise up. We left the Iraqis as the British government could not afford prolonged conflict in the Gulf, in case you wern’t around, the economy wasn’t particularly rosey at the time.

Read the good Samaritan you Christian hypocrite. Jesus said 'Help yourself and your next door neighbour, but bugger everyone else' did he?

I have read the good Samaritan, however I believe we can help the Muslims more, by first of all, sorting out our problems first of all, then rectifying the underlying problems in their home states.

And finally Scotland is suffering from a population fall caused by lack of children and emmigration of young people to England. And if you are representitive of Scotland, I can see why they are leaving.

See above post, on the economy.

It's not a misconception. Look at the statistics on www.gro-scotland.gov.uk

the population is falling.

The common misconception was that you believe we need to accept immigrants in order to stabilise the falling population, which isn’t working right now.

The common misconception was that you believe we need to accept immigrants in order to stabilise the falling population, which isn’t working right now.

Maybe we should stop all your scottish youngsters coming down to london stealing OUR jobs?

Or is that ok because they are white?

It's not just us "darkies" they wish to annihliate. They also want women back in the home, pregnant and barefoot.

It they weren't a serious (pseuso-)party it would be hilarious.
Not to mention their obvious paranoia about some kind of "leftist conspiracy."

Some people just need to be victims, don't they?

Does anyone know of any women in the BNP? Theirs would be a strange position...

Maybe we should stop all your scottish youngsters coming down to london stealing OUR jobs?

Or is that ok because they are white?

So we aren’t a single country, I think your confusing my point of view. If England and Scotland were not joined at the hip by the Union of states implemented by King James certainly you would have the right to object to foreigners moving into your nation illegally.

However, as such we are one nation and therefore your point is illogical.

So we aren’t a single country, I think your confusing my point of view. If England and Scotland were not joined at the hip by the Union of states implemented by King James certainly you would have the right to object to foreigners moving into your nation illegally.

However, as such we are one nation and therefore your point is illogical.

his point wasnt illogical, it was just refering to internal migration rather than external. it was just scaling the situation down.

So we aren’t a single country, I think your confusing my point of view. If England and Scotland were not joined at the hip by the Union of states implemented by King James certainly you would have the right to object to foreigners moving into your nation illegally.

However, as such we are one nation and therefore your point is illogical.
Actually, sociologically it's perfectly apt. They're some "other" from another area, coming to your area and "stealing" jobs. Of course they are white...

It applies because nations are rather arbitrary entities anyway.

So we aren’t a single country, I think your confusing my point of view. If England and Scotland were not joined at the hip by the Union of states implemented by King James certainly you would have the right to object to foreigners moving into your nation illegally.

However, as such we are one nation and therefore your point is illogical.

no, that's totally logical. Scottish culture is different from English culture. The only difference between scots coming to london and iraqis coming is distance and artificial lines drawn by politicians.

Country is an artificial concept - we are all humans and all have a right to the best life available. I welcome all people to join our thriving multicultural centre, scots, muslims and everyone else.

No, that's totally logical. Scottish culture is different from English culture. The only difference between Scots coming to London and Iraqis coming is distance and artificial lines drawn by politicians.

Scots culture is hardly different; in fact it is very similar. Scotland and England share the same culture ever since the reformation, we are in fact very similar. However my point strongly stands, that the difference between the Middle Eastern Muslim and the Conservative British Christian are almost polar and therefore intermixing the two will cause tension, and possibly bloodshed. And in reference to you refusing young people to take our jobs good stuff, that would assist Scotland’s depopulation problem and if you strongly believe that point perhaps we should recall the £32 billion from our North Sea Oil revenues which has been spent in England to the detriment of the Scottish economy. That £32 billion can go a long way to initiating new jobs and a better Scottish economy.

No, your example of internal migration is illogical and flawed and to simplistic an example.

Country is an artificial concept - we are all humans and all have a right to the best life available. I welcome all people to join our thriving multicultural centre, scots, muslims and everyone else.

I utterly disagree to the foremost. Territorial boundaries which is all a country is, is in fact one of the most natural things in the world. It can be seen by watching monkeys, ants, birds, even crabs which claim entire regions of rain-forest and their original habitat, and what happens when it is invaded by a foreign body of another species, well the animal kingdoms version of war happens.

Our versions of a best life are utterly polar, and therefore there is little point in continuing this debate, however it has been enjoyable, if you wish to continue feel free to comment, and I will continue to reply.

My comment was that we reserve the right to follow our religion without interruption or slander,
And so do they.

You just negated your own argument.

Actually, sociologically it's perfectly apt. They're some "other" from another area, coming to your area and "stealing" jobs. Of course they are white...

It applies because nations are rather arbitrary entities anyway.

My primary argument in cultural differences not the colour of skin, I will point it out here and now that it is you suggesting a racial motive behind my cultural arguments, and not I. The United Kingdom is one nation and the cultural differences are bound by a national identity not found in immigrants. Of course people object to others in the nation moving into the area and taking available jobs, however it will not resort to blood shed due to this nationalistic identity. If anything your point only emphasises the validity of my own, after all if the objection is so storm between people of the same nation, how are we to cope with foreigners?

The United Kingdom is one nation and the cultural differences are bound by a national identity not found in immigrants.
All the more reason to eliminate, rather than encourage nationalism.

The United Kingdom is one nation and the cultural differences are bound by a national identity
I think you will find that the UK is most definitely not one nation with one cultural/national identity. There is English, Scottish, Welsh, (Northern) Irish, but very definitely not any one national culture or identity that applies across the board

just out of interest, whereabouts in the UK are you from?

And so do they..

Quite correct, however my primary point is, that I was here first, this is my home, and why should my life, and my culture be negated and pressed upon by economic migrants and foreigners who, in my view shouldn’t be here in the first place.

You just negated your own argument

Read the entire thread please and understand my base line arguments before quickly posting a snip from a rather large post without the base reasoning behind it.

Quite correct, however my primary point is, that I was here first, this is my home, and why should my life, and my culture be negated and pressed upon by economic migrants and foreigners who, in my view shouldn’t be here in the first place.
And the Picts were in Scotland first, should everybody else get out?

We need to get rid of the Saxons then, yes? We really should drop every French, German or Latin derived word from English. We dont want the ancient British culture being trampled on now, do we?

When do you go to America and put the Native Americans back in charge and kick everybody else out?

Is that planned for just after you remove the British from Ireland? or before? Or, indeed, the Irish from Britain.

Youll be heading to Africa to remove all European influences left over from the empires?

Read the entire thread please and understand my base line arguments before quickly posting a snip from a rather large post without the base reasoning behind it.
I did, but out of all the 'shoot yourself in the foot' moments in your posts, that was the one that stood out most.

No, your example of internal migration is illogical and flawed and to simplistic an example.



migration is just the movement of a group of people or person from one place to another. it works even at village level. yes, enlightened humanities example is more simplistic, but it still works.

I'm sure there are plenty more racist aims and goals to be found in here, this was only after a cursory inspection. Is there anybody in Britain, or in the world, who truly believes that the BNP are not racist?

I don't think the BNP are racist.

I think you will find that the UK is most definitely not one nation with one cultural/national identity. There is English, Scottish, Welsh, (Northern) Irish, but very definitely not any one national culture or identity that applies across the board


just out of interest, whereabouts in the UK are you from?

I will disagree with you here, primarily as your negating a few hundred years worth of Great Britain. Yes its true that we are in fact three nations merged into one, however Wales is no longer an individual nation, it lost that when it was annexed quite a while ago, it is now a principality.

Scotland and England however are two separate nations joined into one with each owning an individual cultural identity, however as I previously stated, and if you had read the post, you would know that our nations are bonded by the reformation implemented by King James. Both nations have an underlying separate identity, however pressed over the top, is the Great Britain identity which we have to day, spearheaded primarily by the crown, and the ideal of Imperialism.

Imperialism is now extinct, however in its time it managed to pull Scotland and England together by the creation of a new national identity which took many many years.

If you have read the thread you will know where I’m from, I will not answer any more questions I have already answered previously.

Is that planned for just after you remove the British from Ireland? or before? Or, indeed, the Irish from Britain.

Are the Scots going to be removed from Northern Ireland and sent back to Scotland, and then removed from Scotland and sent back to Ireland?

I don't think the BNP are racist.


ah, so you think they are VERY racist then?

Quite correct, however my primary point is, that I was here first, this is my home, and why should my life, and my culture be negated and pressed upon by economic migrants and foreigners who, in my view shouldn’t be here in the first place.

You are a Beaker person?

I don't think the BNP are racist.

They want to help the descendents of immigrants to leave the UK.

Sounds pretty racist to me.

Also, see this

1) Our first step will be to shut the door. A BNP government would accept no further immigration from any of the parts of the world which present the prospect of an almost limitless flow of immigration: Africa, Asia, China, Eastern and South Eastern Europe, the Middle East and South America would all be placed on an immediate ‘stop' list. This would later be subject to review in the case of genuine students accepted for training as part of our long-term policy of helping to build up Third World economies in order to facilitate the voluntary return of their nationals or their descendants under our long-tern resettlement programme.

from their manifesto. Spot who isn't on the list;

North America (mainly white), Australia (mainly White), Western Europe (mainly White)

get the idea?

I think you will find that the UK is most definitely not one nation with one cultural/national identity. There is English, Scottish, Welsh, (Northern) Irish, but very definitely not any one national culture or identity that applies across the board

'The only thing we have in common is the illusion of being together.'

I will disagree with you here, primarily as your negating a few hundred years worth of Great Britain. Yes its true that we are in fact three nations merged into one, however Wales is no longer an individual nation, it lost that when it was annexed quite a while ago, it is now a principality.

Scotland and England however are two separate nations joined into one with each owning an individual cultural identity, however as I previously stated, and if you had read the post, you would know that our nations are bonded by the reformation implemented by King James. Both nations have an underlying separate identity, however pressed over the top, is the Great Britain identity which we have to day, spearheaded primarily by the crown, and the ideal of Imperialism.

Imperialism is now extinct, however in its time it managed to pull Scotland and England together by the creation of a new national identity which took many many years.
Being united together under law doesnt create a common identity. And it hasnt. Ask all those Scottish or Welsh or Northern Irish that would like independence. The fact that those three nations show a small (if hugely overplayed) disdain for the English is proof of that.

All four of the nations (yes, i know about Wales but its easier to say "four nations" that "three nations and a principality") have a distinct cultural and national identity. if any "british" identity exists, then it is almost solely based upon a (southern) English cultural ideal

If you have read the thread you will know where I’m from, I will not answer any more questions I have already answered previously.
Yes, youve said you live in Scotland - but im asking where in Scotland?

Are the Scots going to be removed from Northern Ireland and sent back to Scotland, and then removed from Scotland and sent back to Ireland?
That was the general idea, yes :p

And the Picts were in Scotland first, should everybody else get out?

And the Picts are still in Scotland, however their cultural identity was overwritten by Christianity. Which has already been established, read the thread.

We need to get rid of the Saxons then, yes? We really should drop every French, German or Latin derived word from English. We don’t want the ancient British culture being trampled on now, do we?

Now, now first of all Great Britain was only formed in 1707, how is your point relevant?


When do you go to America and put the Native Americans back in charge and kick everybody else out?

America is not my problem.

Is that planned for just after you remove the British from Ireland? or before? Or, indeed, the Irish from Britain.

I see British culture as the peak the world has to offer, I feel everyone should follow it and become British.

You’ll be heading to Africa to remove all European influences left over from the empires?

Above post. British culture is the best the world has to offer, we should go back to Africa, sort out the mess that they degenerated into after we left.

I did, but out of all the 'shoot yourself in the foot' moments in your posts, that was the one that stood out most.

No need to be rude I have been polite throughout this entire thread, if you cannont be amicable I shall simply ignore you.

I see British culture as the peak the world has to offer, I feel everyone should follow it and become British.



Care to explain what is so particularly good about British culture?

And the Picts were in Scotland first, should everybody else get out?

And the Picts are still in Scotland, however their cultural identity was overwritten by Christianity. Which has already been established, read the thread.

We need to get rid of the Saxons then, yes? We really should drop every French, German or Latin derived word from English. We don’t want the ancient British culture being trampled on now, do we?

Now, now first of all Great Britain was only formed in 1707, how is your point relevant?


When do you go to America and put the Native Americans back in charge and kick everybody else out?

America is not my problem.

Is that planned for just after you remove the British from Ireland? or before? Or, indeed, the Irish from Britain.

I see British culture as the peak the world has to offer, I feel everyone should follow it and become British.

You’ll be heading to Africa to remove all European influences left over from the empires?

Above post. British culture is the best the world has to offer, we should go back to Africa, sort out the mess that they degenerated into after we left.

I did, but out of all the 'shoot yourself in the foot' moments in your posts, that was the one that stood out most.

No need to be rude I have been polite throughout this entire thread, if you cannont be amicable I shall simply ignore you.

OH, you're a puppet troll. Sorry it took me so long to realise, I abhor racism and bigotry and got carried away.

Who's your puppet master?

Yes, youve said you live in Scotland - but im asking where in Scotland?

None of your concern.

Being united together under law doesnt create a common identity. And it hasnt. Ask all those Scottish or Welsh or Northern Irish that would like independence. The fact that those three nations show a small (if hugely overplayed) disdain for the English is proof of that.

All four of the nations (yes, i know about Wales but its easier to say "four nations" that "three nations and a principality") have a distinct cultural and national identity. if any "british" identity exists, then it is almost solely based upon a (southern) English cultural ideal

Very sorry about this but I’m starting to get tired, I’ve been on this subject since two in the afternoon, so I’ll be heading offline for a breather shortly.

First of all I disagree utterly, world war one and world war two, the Falklands war, and the Gulf war are all primary examples of British identity Spontaneously rising up to meet the challenge faced to our nation. The entire British Empire thing, didn’t exist did it? The merger of our nations did in fact create a British identity and it still exists. The nation works together, we fight of Great Britain. In normal day to day life yes it isn’t there but it exists in the background.

OH, you're a puppet troll. Sorry it took me so long to realise, I abhor racism and bigotry and got carried away.

Who's your puppet master?

Trolling? Not at all, this is the first time I have ever conversed with you on the forums.

Trolling? Not at all, this is the first time I have ever conversed with you on the forums.

As a BNP supported how do you feel about homosexuality?

Also, please tell me which church was attacked by Muslims so I can look into the details from news sites, I find it very disturbing and want to find out more about it.

Ever heard of Douglas Adams?

And the Picts were in Scotland first, should everybody else get out?

And the Picts are still in Scotland, however their cultural identity was overwritten by Christianity. Which has already been established, read the thread.
So really, its only your culture you dont want 'overwritten'. it doesnt matter to you that your culture already 'overwrote' another.

you dont see the hipocracy?

"imposing culture is ok as long as its mine"

We need to get rid of the Saxons then, yes? We really should drop every French, German or Latin derived word from English. We don’t want the ancient British culture being trampled on now, do we?

Now, now first of all Great Britain was only formed in 1707, how is your point relevant?
very relevant. The 'british culture' you are so fond of talking about didnt just magically appear out of nowhere in 1707. If anything it was a continuation of the cultures of the countries involved before that, so my point is very relevant


When do you go to America and put the Native Americans back in charge and kick everybody else out?

America is not my problem.[/quote]
But it was the British (and others) going and planting themselves on top of another civilisation, exactly what you claim to be opposed to when it happens to the British

Is that planned for just after you remove the British from Ireland? or before? Or, indeed, the Irish from Britain.

I see British culture as the peak the world has to offer, I feel everyone should follow it and become British.

You’ll be heading to Africa to remove all European influences left over from the empires?

Above post. British culture is the best the world has to offer, we should go back to Africa, sort out the mess that they degenerated into after we left.
Ah, there we go again

"imposing culture" is ok as long as its you doing the "imposing". The second anybody with a different view comes into your area you want them out, but you would be more than willing to do what you claim they are trying to do

I did, but out of all the 'shoot yourself in the foot' moments in your posts, that was the one that stood out most.

No need to be rude I have been polite throughout this entire thread, if you cannont be amicable I shall simply ignore you.
I wasnt being rude at all, i think maybe you are being a little over sensitive when somebody points out a contradiction in your posts

None of your concern.
Well, are you from the west where the Irish "imposed their culture", or are you from the north east where the norse "imposed their culture".

Because im sure you are actively trying to restore ancient scottish/pictish/british/whatever "culture"



Very sorry about this but I’m starting to get tired, I’ve been on this subject since two in the afternoon, so I’ll be heading offline for a breather shortly.

First of all I disagree utterly, world war one and world war two, the Falklands war, and the Gulf war are all primary examples of British identity Spontaneously rising up to meet the challenge faced to our nation. The entire British Empire thing, didn’t exist did it? The merger of our nations did in fact create a British identity and it still exists. The nation works together, we fight of Great Britain. In normal day to day life yes it isn’t there but it exists in the background.
Well, theres not much i can say other than to tell you youre wrong - there may be a few people, such as yourself, who like to see themselves under one British culture, but for many people there is no such thing - there is English, Welsh, Scottish and (Northern) Irish. If a single 'British' culture was created by the nations joining then why are there independence movements in Wales and Scotland? Why did most of Ireland break away? Why are there people in NI fighting to get out of the UK?

Because the various acts of union created a single British state, not a cultural or national identity.

First of all I disagree utterly, world war one and world war two, the Falklands war, and the Gulf war are all primary examples of British identity Spontaneously rising up to meet the challenge faced to our nation. The entire British Empire thing, didn’t exist did it? The merger of our nations did in fact create a British identity and it still exists.The nation works together, we fight of Great Britain. In normal day to day life yes it isn’t there but it exists in the background.

WWI is hardly a good example of the UK's self-identity rising up: what about the Easter Uprising?

Assuming that you meant to type 'We fight for Great Britain' at the end of the paragraph - what about NI?

Homosexuality, I do not have a problem with it, it’s their lifestyle, and I accept it, the culture is the same and I get along well with them.

As for giving the church I go to, that’s a no no, as it would narrow down my location. I do not like revealing where I live on the internet, either accept it as truth or believe it as falsification, either way I don’t care.

Douglas Adams wrote Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, I just became aware of that today, from a post in another thread.

Isn't one of the BNPs policies to set up giant superprisons in areas of the Uk? I wonder what the NIMBYs (such as Dolphin Imperium) would say about that.

Homosexuality, I do not have a problem with it, it’s their lifestyle, and I accept it, the culture is the same and I get along well with them.

As for giving the church I go to, that’s a no no, as it would narrow down my location. I do not like revealing where I live on the internet, either accept it as truth or believe it as falsification, either way I don’t care.

Douglas Adams wrote Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, I just became aware of that today, from a post in another thread.

I call BS on you.

No-one old enough to have a son looking for work would write this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415965)

Your story about the church sounds like lies to me

Unless you can back up this rubbish, I'm going to assume you are 13 years old and don't know jack about real life.

So really, its only your culture you dont want 'overwritten'. it doesnt matter to you that your culture already 'overwrote' another.

No it does not, I would rather keep my identity than conform to another.

you dont see the hipocracy?

No as its maintaining British identity.

"imposing culture is ok as long as its mine"

Exactly.

very relevant. The 'british culture' you are so fond of talking about didn’t just magically appear out of nowhere in 1707. If anything it was a continuation of the cultures of the countries involved before that, so my point is very relevant.

From the reformation of 1707, the cultures merged with the intermixing of Scottish and English lords which gradually filtered through the social structure. I’m, content with the culture that has been created, and I don’t want it to change.

When do you go to America and put the Native Americans back in charge and kick everybody else out?

America is not my problem, and more often than not the U.K made deals with the local Indians to settle on land. It was the yanks who slaughtered them and destroyed their culture not us. Hardly relevant.

America is not my problem.[/quote]
But it was the British (and others) going and planting themselves on top of another civilisation, exactly what you claim to be opposed to when it happens to the British

As I said, I see my culture as better, and look what’s been created out of it, hardly a bad thing.

I call BS on you.

No-one old enough to have a son looking for work would write this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415965)

Your story about the church sounds like lies to me

Unless you can back up this rubbish, I'm going to assume you are 13 years old and don't know jack about real life.

Oh do grow up, that was a bit of fun that I decided to do. I found the concept of Dolphins in space rather amusing after glancing at an episode of the Simpsons where Dolphins take over the Earth, so I decided to create this nation and try it. If I decided to make it serious, it would have had a lot more detail thrown in it instead of the boundless amounts of conversation.

So, you can’t disprove me, so you make attacks on my integrity, very orginal.

"imposing culture is ok as long as its mine"

Exactly..
I think that pretty much sums up your entire posting in this thread.

Oh do grow up, that was a bit of fun that I decided to do. I found the concept of Dolphins in space rather amusing after glancing at an episode of the Simpsons where Dolphins take over the Earth, so I decided to create this nation and try it. If I decided to make it serious, it would have had a lot more detail thrown in it instead of the boundless amounts of conversation.

So, you can’t disprove me, so you make attacks on my integrity, very orginal.

I believe you are a liar. your story about the church would have been passed on to me by my scottish relatives.

I don't believe it is worth me debating with a liar.

I think that pretty much sums up your entire posting in this thread.

I think it shows the cultural individuality I wish to maintain. As for those getting angry at my posts, I have yet to flame, or do anything that could cause offence, all I have done like everyone else is air my political opinion, which I have a democratic right to. If you don’t like it fair enough, but lets at least keep the thread amicable.

I think it shows the cultural individuality I wish to maintain. As for those getting angry at my posts, I have yet to flame, or do anything that could cause offence, all I have done like everyone else is air my political opinion, which I have a democratic right to. If you don’t like it fair enough, but lets at least keep the thread amicable.
But do you not think its just a little bit hypocritical?

That you dont like people imposing their ways on you, but its ok for you to impose your ways on them?

I believe you are a liar. your story about the church would have been passed on to me by my scottish relatives.

I don't believe it is worth me debating with a liar.

So every Scot knows everything that happens in Scotland?

If you no longer wish to debate then leave the thread, you don’t have to converse with me.

So every Scot knows everything that happens in Scotland?

If you no longer wish to debate then leave the thread, you don’t have to converse with me.

A sword wielding attack on a scottish church, with a hundred witnesses? Yes, my religious scottish relatives would definitely know that had happened.

Almost the 60th anniversary of VE Day, and then VJ day, when our grand fahers and mothers gave their lives and so much more for the freedom that we now take for granted - and I level that as much at the pseudo-intellectual new 'righteous' leftwing control freaks as much as at the modern day Nazis like the BNP.

It is an unfortunate by-product of freedom that parties such as the BNP be allowd to peddle their filth. Hopefully, simply by allowing them to speak shows them up for the modern NAzis that they are. We can't stop 'em coz if we do then we end up being as bad as they are - who decides what a free person can and can't believe in??

In some ways that's part of the problem with our modern societies - with the rise of the new righteous - the Left/liberal politically correct types - there has been a shift toward a way of thinking that tries to prevent any opinions thoughts etc that may be 'offensive' or discriminatory. Whilst the motivation behind this is understandable, the result is a less free society.

How many white (sic), English (sic) people feel that they, or their culture (sic) are under threat?? Quite a few I would guess. As one of the other contributors pointed out, there is a feeling that one os not free in one's own country. Such a feeling can only fuel problems between the people and feeds right into the BNP.

English popele are often seen as racist (something that is not without foundation), but to simply point the finger and not ask why many modern english people feel so intolerant is to do everyone an injustice!

Anyway, do us all a favour and next Sunday (8th May), take a little time to yourself to remember all those millions of people who died 60 years agodefending that which we in the west take for granted and disrespect so lightly - our freedom.

Let's hope Griffin and his sad friends don't ever get the right set of circumstances to turn theior manifesto into something other than a comic!

:sniper: ;)

why dont they just change their name back to BUF it would be far better.

Actualy they were never the BUF. The British Union of Fascists was totaly differant party that while it was slightly anti-semetic, it was no more so than anyone else and its policies were far more realistic, especialy with migrants. Mosley said anyone who contributed to Britian could be a citezen regardless of birthplace, and those who simply exploited should be throughn out. The BUF was abolished during world-war 2, and when it returned it was British Union Movement, which was more a socialist party than anything else. In fact Mosley can be called the father of European Union because he was the first to suggest it. I'm a Fascist and not anti-semetic and I hate the BNP. Of course I'm not British so my opinion doesn't realy matter.

I doubt they want to, they ain't gay thankfully. get some left-wing liberal people to suck your dick. Oh and notice the change i made to your name.
Everyone who thinks this guy is a racist homophobe raise your hand. (hand shoots up)
What is with their advertising campaign? "People like you voting BNP" People like who voting BNP. No one like me, (as in quasi-sane people). Problem is if we where to stop them from standing we wouldn't be democratic. But democracy can go hang if it gets rid of these racist bigots.

Actualy they were never the BUF. The British Union of Fascists was totaly differant party that while it was slightly anti-semetic, it was no more so than anyone else and its policies were far more realistic, especialy with migrants. Mosley said anyone who contributed to Britian could be a citezen regardless of birthplace, and those who simply exploited should be throughn out. The BUF was abolished during world-war 2, and when it returned it was British Union Movement, which was more a socialist party than anything else. In fact Mosley can be called the father of European Union because he was the first to suggest it. I'm a Fascist and not anti-semetic and I hate the BNP. Of course I'm not British so my opinion doesn't realy matter.

yes, i know they were never the BUF, i was being ironic. i would say the BUF were extrememy racist, modelled along nazi lines, with mosley and his wife spending long periods of time with hitler, who they were devoted to.

you know im always amazed when people admit they are fascists. i cant comprehend it. does the second world war mean nothing?

on a lighter note, of course your opinion matters.

i'm not British (at least not a national, plenty of English blood though) so i don't know how many meaningful things i can add. i would just like to say i'm disapointed by how many people blindly follow the media's spin on the BNP, if you look past the allegations of racism (not a particularly well defined term) you can see a party with a pretty well thought out social platform. i wouldn't claim to be an expert in UK politics but most of you should take a look at the other planks in that party's platform before you rush to judgement. i'm not saying iagree with everything they say but it is interesting stuff.





Although being anti-immigration isn't racist (necessarily), being a self-proclaimed 'Whites-Only' organisation is.

I do live in Britain, also with a lot of English blood, and I can tell you the BNP are very racist. Perhaps you don't realise, but the BNP have played a leading part in the race riots of the last 5 years, particularly late summer 2001.

Considering the BNP as a bunch of crazed, slightly fanatical and disturbed malcontents isn't 'blindly following the medias spin'. You can pretty much figure it out for yourself, what with the whole 'nazi-salutes, racist-attacks,firebombings-and-general-wankery' that people in Britain see FIRST HAND.

Lastly, the BNP do not have a well thought out social programme. National Service and COMPULSORY fire-arms ownership simply do not bear any relation to the realities of living in modern day democratic Britain.

As a further note, I did my final GCE History essay on British Fascism since the second world war, and just because fascists claim to be homophobic, doesn't mean they aren't gay. The Chelsea Headhunters, for example. There's a long history of homosexual fascists, Enrst Rohm etc, and there's lots about the fascist ideal that is very attractive to homosexuals.

I doubt they want to, they ain't gay thankfully. get some left-wing liberal people to suck your dick. Oh and notice the change i made to your name.

Look, kids, it's a Nazi wannabe! Isn't it silly with its racism and homophobia?

Perhaps it needs a hug.

Look, kids, it's a Nazi wannabe! Isn't it silly with its racism and homophobia?

Perhaps it needs a hug.

#hug for Blu-tac#

Look, kids, it's a Nazi wannabe! Isn't it silly with its racism and homophobia?

Perhaps it needs a hug.


Why do people enjoy making sexual advances towards me, and i'm a he, not an it.

Now, I wonder how many flames I will receive after posting this…. However, I will be voting BNP on polling day, why? Well it’s rather simple, I could simply say its because of this this and this, but its really not.

It’s because I have grown slightly racist over the years, with my wife and children following the growing tension in our community. I live in a small countryside town, the population was all British, we lived in peace, quiet and had a good life, until the asylum seekers came. Until the immigrants swarmed us. Harsh language, but a realistic interpretation nonetheless.

My little towns crime rate was very low, we used to be able to leave our homes and not be broken into, but since the Scottish executives policy has been to dilute and disperse (A method of excreting pollution) we have had increasing amounts of ethnic diversity growing in our town. We don’t want it.

From the introduction of the foreigners, housing shortages in my constituency has tripled; I have a cousin, with two children who can’t get a council house because of the immigrants occupying them. My son, can’t get a job, not even a simple retail one because the immigrants are taking all the positions, offering to work for cheaper wages undercutting all of us.

They are moving in, taking over our lands, attempting to turn our country into theirs. They even applied to build mosque….ridiculous after the Christmas incident. What happened on Christmas….. well, I shall tell you. At midnight mass, when all of us were celebrating the birth of Christ, being happy and celebrating in our faith, the church was attacked by three Muslims, one with a sword moved into the church, brandishing us all heretics, disrupting our service, and threatening to kill us. He moved up towards the alter, however he suddenly lost “faith” when confronted by a hundred angry and insulted parishioners. The other two, began to tear down the nativity display outside, built by my daughter and her Sunday school friends, defacing the gravestones, and threatening to burn us alive. Indeed, we should respect their faith, but what about ours?

They have begun to attack areas in the town where they are not welcome. Ever since they arrived my life, my communities life has gone downhill, I hope the BNP get into power, I am sick to death of being afraid to walk the streets at night, sick to death of having to defend my religion and culture from foreign economic migrants. They come here, leech off the NHS, leech off our disability and welfare system, while pensioners are struggling to survive. How is that fair?

How is it fair that the government will assist those who have not made a single contribution to this nation, but allow its elderly, loyal population to suffer in poverty. It’s not. Why should my taxes go to people who disrespect my nation, and my culture, when, if I do it, I am brandished a racist, a bigot, and an evil man. Nonsense. Multi cultural systems don’t work? Why, apart from history dictating it of course, but there is always a struggle for dominance, of which the minorities are slowly winning. We have become to afraid to say the truth since world war two, due to the fear of being brandished national socialist. But lets be honest here. Racism will always exist, people will dislike other cultures, other faiths, it is after all human nature.

Look kids, another one.

This one is a bit nasty. He compares people of other cultures, faith, or ethnicity to excrement and pollution.

Yep. He is right that his views are racist, biggotted, and evil.

And it looks like he likes to bear false witness.

No hugs for him!

Why do people enjoy making sexual advances towards me, and i'm a he, not an it.

You seem to be misinterpreting it. A hug is not a sexual advance. Perhaps you have problems with relationships? You wouldn't be the first.

Secondly, you're an it.

Why do people enjoy making sexual advances towards me, and i'm a he, not an it.

Prove it. :p

In the absence of knowledge, no guessing.

But homophobes and racists should get used to be thought of as "its" -- that is apparently how they think of the rest of humanity.

Firstly, I'm not an it, secondly, I support the conservatives more as I feel some immigrants are useful to our economy. Thirdly, you can call me what you want.

Firstly, I'm not an it, secondly, I support the conservatives more as I feel some immigrants are useful to our economy. Thirdly, you can call me what you want.


And can conservatives (or even Conservatives) be homosexuals?
Don't you think it's slightly ridiculous to think that someones sexuality can be determined by knowing their political allegiance? It's pretty obviously balls. Stalin wasn't a gay anymore than Rohm was a straight.

Well I just spent an hour searching the Scotsmans (major scottish newspaper) archive for sign of this attack at a midnight mass. You'd think it would pop straight up but no combination of "mass", "attack", "muslim" or similar provided any luck. Without a reference we can only assume it to be BNP propaganda. Made up. False. Give us more info Dolphins
I did find these though:
'Living in Scotland is as terrifying as the Middle East’
and
"Racist Scots spurn tolerance plea "
unfortunately I'm too lazy to log on and get the full scripts but the brief bit I did get says a lot for tolerance in Scotland.
Although personally I've found that most people up there are extremely welcoming and I count many Scots amoungst my friends.

dolphin i think you're wasting your time saying what you're saying on this forum, people here are pretty closeminded and PC (don't flame me too much, i'm not on here enough to defend myself).


There's a long history of homosexual fascists, Enrst Rohm

since you know who he is i'm also assuming you know how he died. homosexuality does not equate with National Socialism or racism/racialism (bigotry is a different matter).


Looks like National Socialism is well and alive.

n9s is National Socialist, the BNP is not.

Well I just spent an hour searching the Scotsmans (major scottish newspaper) archive for sign of this attack at a midnight mass. You'd think it would pop straight up but no combination of "mass", "attack", "muslim" or similar provided any luck. Without a reference we can only assume it to be BNP propaganda. Made up. False.

Closest thing I can recall is this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/541982.stm

dolphin i think you're wasting your time saying what you're saying on this forum, people here are pretty closeminded and PC (don't flame me too much, i'm not on here enough to defend myself).

Yes. Refusing to embrace facism and Nazi wannabees is so darn closeminded and PC! Shame on us. Please direct us to the showers.


n9s is National Socialist, the BNP is not.

Racist, homophobic, xenophobic facists with Nazi pretentions is close enough.

Closest thing I can recall is this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/541982.stm
yeah, I remember that one.
but he was in London and had a mental illness.
'praps it's what the BNP based their story on.
but without a reference I still feel it's propaganda and not convincing propaganda at that. That kind of stuff worked in the 30's but now we can check archives it wont wash

Firstly, I'm not an it, secondly, I support the conservatives more as I feel some immigrants are useful to our economy. Thirdly, you can call me what you want.
Well that's big of you. If they're usefull they can come in with your permission.
Do we have to pay them?
Couldn't we just ship them in in containers like sheep and save them the trouble of making their own way here.
Your sympathy for other peoples suffering has me crying over my breakfast.

We should allow immigration because it's morally right not because it makes you a few quid.

As a further note, I did my final GCE History essay on British Fascism since the second world war, and just because fascists claim to be homophobic, doesn't mean they aren't gay. The Chelsea Headhunters, for example. There's a long history of homosexual fascists, Enrst Rohm etc, and there's lots about the fascist ideal that is very attractive to homosexuals.
Also the Brownshirts in Nazi Germany.

Also the Brownshirts in Nazi Germany.

lol i'm guessing you don't know who Rohm was... anyway labeling the whole SA as homosexual is insane.

ARE THE JEWS ALSO RACIST?

"Multiculturalism has no place in Israel. Israel was created as a Jewish state for the Jews"

Multiculturalism not for Israel - Leibler

By John Masanauskas

Melbourne - Jewish leader Isi Leibler, a staunch defender of Australian multiculturalism,
says the policy has no place in Israel.

"This is a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country for the Jews," he told
a Jerusalem newspaper.

Mr. Leibler has previously said that multiculturalism in Australia was something that "we are
all proud being part and parcel of."
http://www.ety.com/HRP/jewishstudies/mulcul_not_for_israel.ht
=================================================

MULTICULTURALISM: THE PIT OF NO RETURN

Who are the racists? Are racists those, who destroy races and cultures by racemixing,
or are people called racists, those who respect God's unique creation by protecting all
races through racial separation in line with God's chosen people, the Jews, who continue
to follow the almighty's original design by strictly obeying the policy of marriage between
Jews only.
http://www.ety.com/HRP/race/extinct.htm
========================================

There's Nothing Wrong With Racism (Except the Name)
THAT TORY ESSAY WHICH CAUSED UPROAR

Over the last half century, the situation has been transformed through massive immigration
flows, so that now England is less like an extended family, more like a hotel.

It is now very easy to find pairs of English residents who share no common ancestor
for tens of thousands of years past, perhaps longer - and who know this as soon as they
see each other. Our governors, by permitting large-scale immigration, have destroyed the
mechanism which previously guarded against adverse consequences of natural racial feelings.


But, while destroying one mechanism, with mulish stupidity they have refused to recognize
the problem which that mechanism solved. No British government in my lifetime has ever
said 'We are going to change the racial make-up of the population, and here is how we
are going to solve the resulting problem of racial animosities ...' Instead, they have introduced
a series of laws and social policies whose intention seems to be to root out natural racial
feelings from people's minds.

http://www.ety.com/HRP/race/racismOK.htm]
========================================

Here read why you should not mix your race THIS IS A MESSAGE TO ALL
WHITE PEOPLE!!

ITS A WONDERFUL RACE
http://www.antimulticulture.0catch.com/Wonderful_Race.html
James Bronson

There once was a college freshman named George who thought he knew it all.
One night over dinner, George got into an argument with his father. The
argument began when the young student tried to explain to his father that as
white people, they should be held accountable for all the evils that they
had inflicted upon non-Whites throughout history.
==========================================
THIS ARTICLE IS FOR YOU HOMOSEXUAL DEGENERATES..

Homosexual Statistics

Facts and Statistics About Homosexuals

Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:

One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one
time with over 50% of their partners (3).
One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106
partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a
lifetime.
Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or
in an orgy setting (7).
Many homosexuals don't pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles:
"Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had
no relation to sexual behavior" (16).
Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses
in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association
(APA) conference on successive years. "Guerrilla theater tactics and
more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence"
(2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental
illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels "subjective
distress") (27).
Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis
cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the
United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.
Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted
for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the "gay bowel
syndrome" (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and
cytomegalovirus (27).


CONTINUE TO MANY MORE FACTS ABOUT THE GAY LIFESTYLE...

http://www.inoohr.org/homosexualstatistics.htm
============================================
Please Tell 100People About the Rape for Profit of White "Gentile"Women
by Jews:

http://www.wakeupordie.com/html/action/jewsrape/raperef4.html

White Slavery

Prostitution, or White slavery as it is aptly called, is another
institution as old as civilization.
Even in ancient times, the fair-skinned beauty of European females and
little boys brought a premium from the purveyors of perhaps the most
brutal kind of slavery of all: the sexual
defilement of one's body. The subjection of countless innocents to the
filth and pain of sexual degradation is a crime of enormous magnitude.

... find that their Jewish customers only come to them after a
Palestinian terrorist act to get their own brand of sexual revenge laced
with racial-nationalistic fervor." ... and they do it with hate and anger."

=======================================
the divorce rate of race mixed couple is 75%

=================================
inherited health problems for the negro race ,such as sickle-cell anemia
,can be passed along to the mixed breed offspring of the interacial couple

...

That was so absurd it doesn't even deserve an answer.

The British National Party Are Not Hated By The Majority Of The Population, The Only Reason They Dont Get More Votes Is Because Of The False Police Charges Against Them, As Well As The Jewish Owned/controlled Media Lies And Propaganda They Put Out Against Them..

The British National Party Are Englands Saviours.

Multiculturalism Has And Is Destroying All Good White Countries..

Notice Asians,middle Easterners,jews,negroes, Indian, Homosexuals,transexuals Are Allowed To Be Proud But As Soon As Your A Proud White Person They Label You With Racist,redneck,anti Semite..lol..thats How Fucken Pathetic And Hypocritical Their Arguments Are..i Will Probably Be Banned From This Forum Because Of Their Lack Of Intellect To Debate Me On Any Subject Of Their Choice..you See The British National Party Deal In Truth And Facts, Something Those Against Seriously Lack..

You Cant Answer It Because You Cant Put Spin On Truth..so Come On Mate ,what Was So Ridicules About It?god Gave You A Brain Use It Dopey..

When You Stop Capitalizing Every Word Maybe You'll Seem Smart.



Oh, Wait, Nevermind. You Won't.

Melbourne - Jewish leader Isi Leibler, a staunch defender of Australian multiculturalism,
says the policy has no place in Israel.

"This is a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country for the Jews," he told
a Jerusalem newspaper.


IS THIS NOT RACIST? IS THIS NOT THE EXACT SAME THING THE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY WANTS FOR THE UK?WHY ARE THE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY HOWLED DOWN AS RACIST BUT NOT THESE CHOSEN ONES?

ANSWER THAT COMRADES..LOL

Just because Isi Leiber does it doesn't make it RIGHT. I don't agree with him, I don't agree with you. You're both racist.

The BNP, possibly the most hated party in Britain by the sane majority, and recipient of about 800'000 votes last elections, even winning seats such as Bradford. The BNP have denied being a racist party, so lets judge for ourselves shall we?



>< Looks a bit like the National Alliance and some of it's sibling groups we have over here in the States. Nothing more than all out racism, thinly veiled under a veneer of business suits, clever words, and expensive haircuts. Unfortunately, there will always be those of low mind who fall prey to such obvious tactics.

Melbourne - Jewish leader Isi Leibler, a staunch defender of Australian multiculturalism,
says the policy has no place in Israel.

"This is a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country for the Jews," he told
a Jerusalem newspaper.


IS THIS NOT RACIST? IS THIS NOT THE EXACT SAME THING THE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY WANTS FOR THE UK?WHY ARE THE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY HOWLED DOWN AS RACIST BUT NOT THESE CHOSEN ONES?

ANSWER THAT COMRADES..LOL

Because both are wrong? Maybe?

>< Looks a bit like the National Alliance and some of it's sibling groups we have over here in the States. Nothing more than all out racism, thinly veiled under a veneer of business suits, clever words, and expensive haircuts. Unfortunately, there will always be those of low mind who fall prey to such obvious tactics.

Nah, actually a lot of it is to do with tactical voting and preferences. Something like that. Mind you, that aside, it is a symptom of something more sinister in britian. But as far as I can tell from my relatives, it has a lot to do with the 'travellers' as well as actual questions of race.

When You Stop Capitalizing Every Word Maybe You'll Seem Smart.( WHATS A MATTER DOPEY, CANT YOU READ CAPITAL LETTERS?)



Oh, Wait, Nevermind. You Won't. ( THATS RIGHT, CAPITAL LETTERS ARE COOL)

NOW ANSWER MY QUESTIONS DOPEY,LETS SEE HOW MUCH BRAINS YOU HAVE..LOL..

Because both are wrong? Maybe?

PLEASE DO TELL US WHAT IS WRONG WITH WANTING TO PRESERVE YOUR RACE AND CULTURE..IF ITS WRONG TO DO THIS ,YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN EXAMPLE AT LEAST..LETS SEE HOW YOUR COMMIE MARXIST SPIN GETS OUT OF THIS SHALL WE...LOL

When You Stop Capitalizing Every Word Maybe You'll Seem Smart.( WHATS A MATTER DOPEY, CANT YOU READ CAPITAL LETTERS?)



Oh, Wait, Nevermind. You Won't. ( THATS RIGHT, CAPITAL LETTERS ARE COOL)

NOW ANSWER MY QUESTIONS DOPEY,LETS SEE HOW MUCH BRAINS YOU HAVE..LOL..
S/he did answer your question.
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8800263&postcount=121

Race is an artificial creation of the human mind, and trying to keep one "pure" is absurd. Skin color is just an adaptation to sun strength in various areas of the world. Keeping races "pure" is silly, because beyond our silly perceptions they don't exist.

Dopey.

Because both are wrong? Maybe?

PLEASE DO TELL US WHAT IS WRONG WITH WANTING TO PRESERVE YOUR RACE AND CULTURE..IF ITS WRONG TO DO THIS ,YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN EXAMPLE AT LEAST..LETS SEE HOW YOUR COMMIE MARXIST SPIN GETS OUT OF THIS SHALL WE...LOL

SORRY WHERE DID SHE ANSWER THIS QUESTION AGAIN?..LOL

COME ON ANSWER IT YOU LEFTIST FREAKS..LOL

Because both are wrong? Maybe?

PLEASE DO TELL US WHAT IS WRONG WITH WANTING TO PRESERVE YOUR RACE AND CULTURE..IF ITS WRONG TO DO THIS ,YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN EXAMPLE AT LEAST..LETS SEE HOW YOUR COMMIE MARXIST SPIN GETS OUT OF THIS SHALL WE...LOL


When "preserving your race and culture" comes at the expense of other races and cultures, that's racism, and that's wrong.

Oh, and I'm a "he."

Because both are wrong? Maybe?

PLEASE DO TELL US WHAT IS WRONG WITH WANTING TO PRESERVE YOUR RACE AND CULTURE..IF ITS WRONG TO DO THIS ,YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN EXAMPLE AT LEAST..LETS SEE HOW YOUR COMMIE MARXIST SPIN GETS OUT OF THIS SHALL WE...LOL
You are calling Lacadaemon a Marxist?
If I'm remembering Lacadaemon correctly, that's pretty funny.

Now to answer your question:
Where does "preserving your race" come in? If you want to preserve your race, then have children with another member of it. It's idiotic to force other people to do so, though.

Because both are wrong? Maybe?

PLEASE DO TELL US WHAT IS WRONG WITH WANTING TO PRESERVE YOUR RACE AND CULTURE..IF ITS WRONG TO DO THIS ,YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN EXAMPLE AT LEAST..LETS SEE HOW YOUR COMMIE MARXIST SPIN GETS OUT OF THIS SHALL WE...LOL

SORRY WHERE DID SHE ANSWER THIS QUESTION AGAIN?..LOL

COME ON ANSWER IT YOU LEFTIST FREAKS..LOL

This is why they make Prozac.

http://maddox.xmission.com/keyboard4.jpg

Race is an artificial creation of the human mind, and trying to keep one "pure" is absurd. Skin color is just an adaptation to sun strength in various areas of the world.( BULLSHIT, PLEASE SHOW EXAMPLES..PLEASE TELL US WHY THE WHITES THAT INHABIT SUNBURNT COUNTRIES FOR EONS ARE NOT AS BLACK AS NEGROES? Keeping races "pure" is silly, because beyond our silly perceptions they don't exist.( RACE DOES EXIST, HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPLAIN FORENSIC SCIENTIST USING DNA TO DETERMINE THE RACE OF A DECEASED PERSON?

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Final scientific proof that race exists

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RACIAL GROUPINGS MATCH GENETIC PROFILES, STANFORD STUDY FINDS
STANFORD


Quote:
Checking a box next to a racial/ethnic category gives several pieces of information about people - the continent where their ancestors were born, the possible color of their skin and perhaps something about their risk of different diseases. But a new study by researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine finds that the checked box also says something about a person's genetic background.

This work comes on the heels of several contradictory studies about the genetic basis of race. Some found that race is a social construct with no genetic basis while others suggested that clear genetic differences exist between people of different races.



http://mednews.stanford.edu/release...racial-data.htm

ref: http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=154
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Stroke Risk May Be Genetic

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/natio...roke%20~%20Race

Among white men ages 55 to 64 living in the South, the stroke death rate was 49 deaths per 100,000 people - 29 percent higher than the rate among white men living elsewhere. Among black men in the South, the rate was 159 deaths per 100,000 people, compared with 105 for black men living elsewhere.

Other studies at the conference hinted that genetic differences may play a role in higher stroke risks for blacks. Three separate teams found that stroke victims were more likely to have variations in a potential "stroke gene" recently identified in Iceland. One of the teams found that such variations were more common in blacks than in whites.

Because both are wrong? Maybe?

PLEASE DO TELL US WHAT IS WRONG WITH WANTING TO PRESERVE YOUR RACE AND CULTURE..IF ITS WRONG TO DO THIS ,YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN EXAMPLE AT LEAST..LETS SEE HOW YOUR COMMIE MARXIST SPIN GETS OUT OF THIS SHALL WE...LOL

Because race and culture aren't fixed, and they never have been. They change all the time, and will continue to do so.

Evidence that Racial Groupings Match Real Genetic Profiles

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http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/s...et_6870358.html


Medical officials say there is a great need for kidney, heart, lung, liver,
pancreas and small bowel donations from minorities. Tissue from minority
donors has the best chance of being accepted by a minority recipient's body.


"Minority patients need minority donors," said Deborah Rodriguez, public
education coordinator for Life Quest Organ Recovery Services and herself a
Hispanic kidney recipient.


With some organs like kidneys, matching the ethnicity of donor and recipient
is particularly important, said Patti McHale, procurement coordinator for
Mayo Transplant Services.
.


http://www.bmtnews.org/newsletters/...rfectdonor.html


"Since HLA types are inherited, patients are more likely to find a matched
donor from within their own racial/ethnic group," notes Chatchada Karanes
MD, Medical Director of the National Marrow Donor Program's Search and
Transplant Services Department. "For this reason, NMDP has made a concerted
effort over the past few years to recruit more minority donors into the
registry. Currently 55 percent of donors in the registry are Caucasian, 8
percent are African-American, 6.1 percent are Asian/Pacific Islander, 8.3
percent are Hispanic, 1.3 percent are Native American, 1.5 percent are of
multiple ethnic backgrounds, and 19.4 percent are of unknown origin."


http://racerelations.about.com/libr...y/aa052400a.htm


I first learned of the special need for bone marrow donors of diverse ethnic
backgrounds when Rod Carew's daughter, Michelle, was suffering from
non-lymphocytic leukemia and in need of a bone marrow transplant about four
years ago. Michelle had a unique racial heritage. Her father is of West
Indian and Panamanian background, while her mother is a Caucasian with a
Russian-Jewish ancestry. Because bone marrow typing runs along ethnic
lines, Michelle's chances of finding a donor were decreased by her unusual
heritage. According to the National Marrow Donor Program, "Some
characteristics of marrow type are unique to people of specific ancestry."
And while it is possible for matches to be made across ethnic lines, a
person is more likely to find a match from another person of similar racial
make-up. This puts people of mixed racial heritage who are in need of a
bone marrow transplant in an often difficult position to find a suitable
donor.


http://www.kacvtv.org/local/organdonor/sbone.html


Some HLA antigens are found almost exclusively in specific ethnic groups.
Due to this HLA antigen restriction, many minority patients can only find
matches within their own ethnic group.
Unfortunately, since minority donor enrollment is low, many minority
patients cannot find a match. Therefore, there is a special need for
minorities to sign up as potential bone marrow donors.


http://www.fp.ucalgary.ca/unicomm/G...8-01/letter.htm


Beverly Campbell, director of the Unrelated Bone Marrow Donor Registry at
CBS, says that increasing the diversity of possible donors is key. The need
is especially great for groups such as aboriginal Canadians, whose genetic
pool is distinct from any other group in the world. It tends to be difficult
to find a match for someone of mixed race, and Canadians of African, Asian
and East Indian descent could also be better represented in the registry.
Campbell stresses that an ongoing and sustained approach is needed to reach
potential volunteers.


http://medstat.med.utah.edu/kw/oste...nsics/race.html


"...it is clear that race does mean different things to different people. In
the context of forensic anthropology, the term race is unambiguous."
- Stan Rhine, PhD


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observ...cal/2855189.htm


One out of four people on the national organ transplant waiting list is
either black, Latino or Asian, she added. The chances for a successful
transplant often are increased when an organ is transferred to a person of
the same race or ethnicity as the donor, according to HHS.


http://www.fda.gov/cder/reports/rac...city_report.htm


There are documented racial differences as well. Caucasians are more likely
than Asians to have abnormally low levels of an important liver metabolizing
enzyme (cytochrome p450 2D6). Blacks respond poorly to several classes of
antihypertensive agents (beta blockers, angiotensive converting enzyme (ACE)
inhibitors, and angiotensin II antagonists) and appear to have a greater
risk of angioedema when given ACE inhibitors. It is therefore important to
include in drug development representation of the broad range of patients
who will eventually receive the drug, including people of both genders,
representatives of major racial/ethnic groups, and patients with a wide
range of disease severity, concomitant illnesses, and use of concomitant
treatments.


Attention to potential racial and ethnic differences in response to drugs is
part of a larger effort by the FDA to ensure that the safety and efficacy of
drugs are adequately studied in people who represent the full range of
patients who will receive them upon marketing. FDA guidelines and
regulations encourage the participation of racial and ethnic groups in all
phases of drug development, promote collection of race-related data during
research and development, and recommend analysis of the data for race
effects. Following is a brief summary:

I see you chose to ignore the the last paragraph there.


"This work comes on the heels of several contradictory studies about the genetic basis of race. Some found that race is a social construct with no genetic basis while others suggested that clear genetic differences exist between people of different races."


I'm not saying skin color differences don't exist. I'm saying judging people on basis of skin color, i.e. treating them as a "race" is dumb.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backi...00/deedric1.htm

Racial Determination

A human hair can be associated with a particular racial group based on established models for each group. Forensic examiners differentiate between hairs of Caucasoid (European ancestry), Mongoloid (Asian ancestry), and Negroid (African ancestry) origin, all of which exhibit microscopic characteristics that distinguish one racial group from another. Head hairs are generally considered best for determining race, although hairs from other body areas can be useful. Racial determination from the microscopic examination of head hairs from infants, however, can be difficult, and hairs from individuals of mixed racial ancestry may possess microscopic characteristics attributed to more than one racial group.

The identification of race is most useful as an investigative tool, but it can also be an associative tool when an individual's hairs exhibit unusual racial characteristics.

Caucasoid (European)
Hairs of Caucasoid or Caucasian origin can be of fine to medium coarseness, are generally straight or wavy in appearance, and exhibit colors ranging from blonde to brown to black. The hair shafts of Caucasian hairs vary from round to oval in cross section and have fine to medium-sized, evenly distributed pigment granules.

Mongoloid (Asian)
Hairs of Mongoloid or Asian origin are regularly coarse, straight, and circular in cross section, with a wider diameter than the hairs of the other racial groups. The outer layer of the hair, the cuticle, is usually significantly thicker than the cuticle of Negroid and Caucasian hairs, and the medulla, or central canal, is continuous and wide. The hair shaft, or cortex, of Mongoloid hair contains pigment granules that are generally larger in size than the pigment granules of Caucasian hairs and which often appear to be grouped in patchy areas within the shaft. Mongoloid hair can have a characteristic reddish appearance as a product of its pigment.

Negroid (African)
Hairs of Negroid or African origin are regularly curly or kinky, have a flattened cross section, and can appear curly, wavy, or coiled. Negroid pigment granules are larger than those found in Mongoloid and Caucasian hair and are grouped in clumps of different sizes and shapes. The density of the pigment in the hair shaft may be so great as to make the hair opaque. A Negroid hair shaft exhibits variation or apparent variation in diameter because of its flattened nature and the manner in which it lies on the microscope slide. Twisting of the hair shaft, known as buckling, can be present, and the hair shaft frequently splits along the length.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4275695.stm

Scientists have published data on over one million crucial DNA variations in three racial groups, paving the way for "individualised" medicines.

Since a drug may work better for some people and not others, doctors could eventually use blood tests to provide targeted treatments for each patient.

But others fear the information could be used to discriminate against people on the basis of their genes.

Details of the research, by a team from California, appear in Science magazine.

The team looked at single-nucleotide (or "letter") polymorphisms (SNPs), which are points in DNA that vary between different individuals.

The mapping effort describes 1.58 million of these single-letter DNA variations across 71 people of European-American, African-American and Han Chinese ancestry.

People may pick people based on the colour of their skin, but they will find entirely different groups of people when they look at the genetics

Dr David Cox, Perlegen Science
"By looking at DNA and the differences between people, we can ask various questions about why medicines lower blood pressure in some people and not others," said co-author Dr David Cox of Perlegen Science

You are calling Lacadaemon a Marxist?
If I'm remembering Lacadaemon correctly, that's pretty funny.

Now to answer your question:
Where does "preserving your race" come in? If you want to preserve your race, then have children with another member of it. It's idiotic to force other people to do so, though.

If only the General was here to answer him. Oh well.

Ideology and Censorship in Behavior Genetics
http://euvolution.com/articles/ideology.html

Background Material
Lewontin's Fallacy

Chimps are human, gene study implies
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3744

Human-chimp DNA difference trebled
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2833

Life goes on without 'vital' DNA
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn5063

Scientists sort the chimps from the men
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2160

Small changes separate man from ape, study shows
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/...May/000608.html


Race

A Family Tree in Every Gene
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1362319/posts

Racial groupings match genetic profiles, Stanford study finds
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...c-rgm012705.php

The Genome in Black and White (and Gray)
http://www.racesci.org/in_media/genome_bwg.htm

A New Look at Old Data May Discredit a Theory on Race
http://www.racesci.org/in_media/cra...nyt_Oct2002.htm

'Ancestral' DNA Clue in Serial Rapist Hunt
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2845397

Articles Highlight Different Views on Genetic Basis of Race
http://www.missouri.edu/~chemrg/cur...etics_Race.html

Does Race Exist?
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?ar...BAA83414B7F0000

Gene Map Presents Race Concerns
http://www.wired.com/news/technolog...2,41619,00.html

Gene researchers find variations by ancestry
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/si...ey/10934508.htm

Gene Study Identifies 5 Main Human Populations
http://************/6zzb6

Genome Mappers Navigate the Tricky Terrain of Race
http://svyatoslav.50megs.com/MEMORY...20of%20Race.htm
[danger, pop-ups, I use Mozilla Firefox, haven't seen one in forever]

Race Linked to Genetic Markers
http://www.racesci.org/in_media/genetic_markers.htm

The Final Taboo: Race Differences in Ability
http://www.jonentine.com/skeptic/sarich.htm

The Palette of Humankind
http://www.racesci.org/in_media/nyt_dec2002_palette.htm

The Reality of Race
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?ar...B3B809EC588EEDF

Genome Mappers Navigate the Tricky Terrain of Race
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-a...l?msg_id=005pWH
[A.K.A. "For Genome Mappers, the Tricky Terrain of Race Requires Some Careful Navigating"]

Study Breaks New Ground on Variations in Genome
http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/346genvar.html

Forensic Anthropology
http://www.courttv.com/talk/chat_tr...ts/foranth.html


Race & Health

2 Scholarly Articles Diverge on Role of Race in Medicine
http://p221.ezboard.com/fbalkanhist...topicID=2.topic

Case reflects influence ethnic differences have on genetic medicine
http://www.ajc.com/health/content/h...28genetics.html

I Am a Racially Profiling Doctor
http://www.sallysatelmd.com/html/a-nytimes3.html

Medicine’s Race Problem
http://www.policyreview.org/DEC01/satel.html

Race Belongs in the Stem Cell Debate
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...8&notFound=true

Ignoring Race May Be Dangerous to Health
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/hea/2002/pd073002a.html

MEDICINE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR
Unlikely mix -- Race, biology and drugs
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...17/ED263680.DTL

Blood Donor FAQ and Fast Facts
http://redcrossgulfcoast.org/faq.htm

Drug Approved for Heart Failure in Black Patients
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/health...754C0A9629C8B63

Minorities Multiply Risk Of Alzheimer’s
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archive...rities_mult.php

Racial Differences Found in Heart Drug Response
http://cmbi.bjmu.edu.cn/news/0105/26.Htm

Race Is Seen as Real Guide to Track Roots of Disease
http://www.cmh.pitt.edu/newsrace.htm

What Your Genes Want You to Eat
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/health...756C0A9659C8B63

Large DNA File to Help Track Illness in Blacks
http://www.racesci.org/in_media/dna...ness_blacks.htm

Medical puzzle: Is weight gain less hazardous for blacks than whites?
http://www.ajc.com/health/content/h...sityblacks.html

Bone Marrow Matches Hard for Multiracial
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/n...005-441297.html
[Originally published in USAToday as "Multiracial patients have tough battle to find marrow matches"]

New drugs being made for specific racial groups
http://svyatoslav.50megs.com/MEMORY...al%20groups.htm
[danger, pop-ups, I use Mozilla Firefox, haven't seen one in forever]

Racial differences seen in breast-cancer study
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/te..._cancer15m.html


Race & Sports

Endurance running is in east Africans' genes
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6705

White men can't jump
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=19640

Racial ‘Handicaps’ And A Great Sprint Forward
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archive...al_ahandica.php

Dark Thoughts
http://www.jonentine.com/articles/dark_thoughts.htm


Steve Sailer

Rather than add clutter by linking to Sailer's myriad excellent articles on race, I figured I'd just post a couple of starting points:

http://www.isteve.com
That is Sailer's home page. I found his writing before he started it, via VDare, and I've kept current with his site since then. My point is that I don't know how well he's organized his archive or how easy it is to navigate. So, I'll post a link to VDare's search page too (just search using "Steve Sailer" + race):
http://www.vdare.com/search_advanced.htm

Steve Sailer is the man. He's far more prolific, honest, and informed on the subject of race than any other journalist I've come across.
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"There also is what Cass Sunstein of University of Chicago, calls 'the law of group polarization.' Bauerlein explains: 'When like-minded people deliberate as an organized group, the general opinion shifts toward extreme versions of their common beliefs.' They become tone-deaf to the way they sound to others outside their closed circle of belief."

George Will, NYT, 04-11-18

THOSE THAT SAY RACE DOESNT EXIST ARE EITHER STUPID OR LIARS, WHICH 1 ARE YOU?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/20/m...20HARVARD.html?

Quote:
Glaeser and Fryer, along with David M. Cutler, another Harvard economist, are the authors of a paper that traffics in one form of genetic theorizing. It addresses the six-year disparity in life expectancy for blacks versus whites, arguing that much of the gap is due to a single factor: a higher rate of salt sensitivity among African-Americans, which leads to higher rates of cardiovascular disease, stroke and kidney disease.
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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...w-uss032905.php

Quote:
UW study shows blacks and Latinos are more satisfied with physicians of the same race


which is fine and not surprising; but if Whites express preference for White physicians, they're labeled "racists".

There also is what Cass Sunstein of University of Chicago, calls 'the law of group polarization.' Bauerlein explains: 'When like-minded people deliberate as an organized group, the general opinion shifts toward extreme versions of their common beliefs.' They become tone-deaf to the way they sound to others outside their closed circle of belief."

George Will, NYT, 04-11-18

That Cass quote is so out of context it is unbelievable. And indeed gets to the very heart of this matter. Stop spamming KTHX.

I'd also note Steve's book reviews on Amazon, like this one for Cavalli-Sforza's The History and Geography of Human Genes.

Click on "See all my reviews" to get the complete list. I think he has reviewed most of the important recent books in this field.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691029059/qid=1114275650/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-3266921-3929542?v=glance&s=books
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A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic. The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...i-bai042505.php

For crap's sake, skin color is a direct relationship to amount of sun received by a particular person at a certain point on the planet. That is all.

Black skin repels sun, which is necessary in hot ass Africa. White skin absorbs sun, which is necessary in the cold ass Netherlands. Large nostrils cool hot air before it enters the lungs, small nostril warm it up. Large lips aid heat dispersion, small lips prevent heat loss. That is really all there is to race, nothing more. The eventual adaptation of human being over millenia to their chosen habitat.

In the words of Tyler Durden, You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. Get over it.

SPAMMING? THOSE LINKS ARE RELEVANT TO THE DEBATE ARE THEY NOT?


That Cass quote is so out of context it is unbelievable. And indeed gets to the very heart of this matter. Stop spamming KTHX( PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW OUT OF CONTEXT IT IS?)

SO ARE YOU STUPID FOR DENYING RACE EXISTS OR ARE YOU JUST A LIAR WHO WANTS TO PROMOTE THE SOCIETY DESTROYING MULTICULTURAL POLICY? HOW COME THEY DONT PUSH MULTIRACIALSIM IN ASIAN OR NEGRO COUNTRIES?

HOW COME THEY DONT PUSH MULTIRACIALSIM IN ASIAN OR NEGRO COUNTRIES?

LOL, take a trip to Japan my friend. There you will see more Macdonalds than here in the states, almost every Japanese person wearing western fashions, Levi's jeans in every boutique, and western music playing in every store. Then tell me how the west, white culture, is NOT having an effect on the world.

And for the love of Christ, chill with the caps! You might suffer from macular degeneration, but I assure you, the rest of us don't.

SPAMMING? THOSE LINKS ARE RELEVANT TO THE DEBATE ARE THEY NOT?

no.


That Cass quote is so out of context it is unbelievable. And indeed gets to the very heart of this matter. Stop spamming KTHX( PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW OUT OF CONTEXT IT IS?)

Yeah, I think the point is to talk to people outside of your own little 'hive' mind otherwise you end up sounding ridiculous

SO ARE YOU STUPID FOR DENYING RACE EXISTS OR ARE YOU JUST A LIAR WHO WANTS TO PROMOTE THE SOCIETY DESTROYING MULTICULTURAL POLICY? HOW COME THEY DONT PUSH MULTIRACIALSIM IN ASIAN OR NEGRO COUNTRIES?

No one said race didn't exist. Who said that? I didn't. The definitions of what different races are, however, change. I would imagine, given that you are European, you are less than "pure bred".

If you have problems with a culture being imposed from the top down, as an artificial construct, I agree, that is wrong. But to talk about 'preserving' culture and race is silly. There are no fixed standards and there never were. If you don't believe me, you can ask the Romans; if you can find one.

For crap's sake, skin color is a direct relationship to amount of sun received by a particular person at a certain point on the planet. That is all.( WRONG, YOU FORGET TO POINT OUT WHY WHITES FROM HOT COUNTRIES DO NOT BECOME BLACK AS THE ACE OF SPADES?WHITES ALSO LIVED IN HOT CLIMATES DOPEY, SO WHY ARENT THEY BLACK? ARE YOU SAYING ONLY NEGROES LIVED IN THE HOTTEST PARTS OF THE WORLD? IF YOU DO ,YOUR SHOWING THAT YOU KNOW SWEET F.A ABOUT HISTORY..YOU CANNOT BACK UP YOUR COMMIE MARXIST ARGUMENTS, YOU JUST PULL YOUR QUOTES STRAIGHT OUT OF A COMMIE MANUAL..PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US WHY THE ASIAN ESKIMOS ARENT LILLY WHITE AND WHY THEY ARE STILL YELLOW?PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITES WHO HAVE INHABITATED SOME OF THE MOST HOTTEST PARTS ON THE PLANET FOR YEARS ARE NOT BLACK, WHEN YOU CAN DO THIS ,YOUR STORY MIGHT SOUND A BIT CREDIBLE, BUT YOU ARE FORGETTING A SHITLOAD OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN THE HOT HOT SUN FOR JUST AS LONG AS BLACKS AND THEY DONT SEEM TO GO BLACK)

Black skin repels sun, which is necessary in hot ass Africa. White skin absorbs sun, which is necessary in the cold ass Netherlands.( BLACK SKIN DOES NOT REPEL SUN, BLACKS ALSO GET SUNBURNT,JUST NOT AS EASILY.) Large nostrils cool hot air before it enters the lungs, small nostril warm it up.( SO, THIS PROVES WHAT?WHY ARE THE WHITE MIDDLE EASTERNERS WHO LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT ,WHY DO THEY HAVE SMALL NOSTRILS AND NOT THE LARGE BLACK ONES?) Large lips aid heat dispersion, small lips prevent heat loss.(AS ABOVE) That is really all there is to race, nothing more.( YEAH TRY TELLING THAT TO DNA EXPERTS OR FORENSIC SCIENTIST WHO CAN TELL WHAT RACE YOU ARE WITHOUT YOUR SKIN?) The eventual adaptation of human being over millenia to their chosen habitat.( RUBBISH, PROVE IT..I GAVE EXAMPLES ABOVE..)

In the words of Tyler Durden, You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. Get over it. ( OH BUT I AM, I AM NOT NEGROID, NOR AM I MONGOLOID, IM CAUCASOID A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SPECIES TO THOSE OTHERS.WE ARE NO MORE ALIKE THAN A GREYHOUND IS TO A WOLF.)

LOL, take a trip to Japan my friend.( YEAH I HAVE) There you will see more Macdonalds than here in the states, almost every Japanese person wearing western fashions, Levi's jeans in every boutique, and western music playing in every store.( SO WHAT?) Then tell me how the west, white culture, is NOT having an effect on the world.( SO THERE ARE ETHNIC GHETTOES I8N JAPAN IS THERE? IS THERE A JEWISH COMMUNITY IN JAPAN? IS THERE AN AFRICAN C0OMMUNITY IN JAPAN? IS THERE A MEXICAN,LATINO POPULATION IN JAPAN?SORRY MATE BUT JAPANS ABHORS MULTICULTURALISM AS WELL AS MULTIRACIALISM, WHEN JAPAN HAS ALL THESE DIFFERENT ETHNIC COMMUNITIES THERE THEN COME TALK TO ME ABOUT JAPAN BEING MULTICULTURAL)

And for the love of Christ, chill with the caps! You might suffer from macular degeneration, but I assure you, the rest of us don't. ( CAPITAL LETTERS NEVER HURT ANYONE, THOSE THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT I8T ARE QUITE PEDANTIC MOTHERFUCKERS..

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No one said race didn't exist. Who said that?( GO BACK THROUGH THE POSTS AND THE OTHER WHITEY THREAD, PLENTY HAVE SAID RACE DOESNT EXIST) I didn't. The definitions of what different races are, however, change.( THEY CHANGE? WHAT THE BLOODY HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY HERE? YOU CANT CHANGE YOUR RACE, RACE DOESNT CHANGE A CAUCASOID WILL ALWAYS BE A CAUCASOID) I would imagine, given that you are European, you are less than "pure bred". ( IM A PURE BRED CAUCASOID, MIXED WITH THE MANY CAUCASOID OFFSPRINGS , ANGLO SAXON AND NORDIC, NO MONGO NOR NEGRO IN MY BLOOD, SO YES I AM A PURE CAUCASIAN BLOOD)

If you have problems with a culture being imposed from the top down, as an artificial construct, I agree, that is wrong. But to talk about 'preserving' culture and race is silly.( TELL THAT TO THE JEWS,AFRICANS,INDIANS,ABORIGINALS AND SEE HOW FAR IT GETS YOU) There are no fixed standards and there never were. If you don't believe me, you can ask the Romans; if you can find one. ( ROME WAS DESTROYED BY MULTICULTURALISM AND MULTIRACIALISM, SO WHATS YOUR POINT, SO WAS EGYPT.)


WHITE RACED MAN AND PROUD..

For crap's sake, skin color is a direct relationship to amount of sun received by a particular person at a certain point on the planet. That is all.( WRONG, YOU FORGET TO POINT OUT WHY WHITES FROM HOT COUNTRIES DO NOT BECOME BLACK AS THE ACE OF SPADES?WHITES ALSO LIVED IN HOT CLIMATES DOPEY, SO WHY ARENT THEY BLACK? ARE YOU SAYING ONLY NEGROES LIVED IN THE HOTTEST PARTS OF THE WORLD? IF YOU DO ,YOUR SHOWING THAT YOU KNOW SWEET F.A ABOUT HISTORY..YOU CANNOT BACK UP YOUR COMMIE MARXIST ARGUMENTS, YOU JUST PULL YOUR QUOTES STRAIGHT OUT OF A COMMIE MANUAL..PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US WHY THE ASIAN ESKIMOS ARENT LILLY WHITE AND WHY THEY ARE STILL YELLOW?PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITES WHO HAVE INHABITATED SOME OF THE MOST HOTTEST PARTS ON THE PLANET FOR YEARS ARE NOT BLACK, WHEN YOU CAN DO THIS ,YOUR STORY MIGHT SOUND A BIT CREDIBLE, BUT YOU ARE FORGETTING A SHITLOAD OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN THE HOT HOT SUN FOR JUST AS LONG AS BLACKS AND THEY DONT SEEM TO GO BLACK)

Black skin repels sun, which is necessary in hot ass Africa. White skin absorbs sun, which is necessary in the cold ass Netherlands.( BLACK SKIN DOES NOT REPEL SUN, BLACKS ALSO GET SUNBURNT,JUST NOT AS EASILY.) Large nostrils cool hot air before it enters the lungs, small nostril warm it up.( SO, THIS PROVES WHAT?WHY ARE THE WHITE MIDDLE EASTERNERS WHO LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT ,WHY DO THEY HAVE SMALL NOSTRILS AND NOT THE LARGE BLACK ONES?) Large lips aid heat dispersion, small lips prevent heat loss.(AS ABOVE) That is really all there is to race, nothing more.( YEAH TRY TELLING THAT TO DNA EXPERTS OR FORENSIC SCIENTIST WHO CAN TELL WHAT RACE YOU ARE WITHOUT YOUR SKIN?) The eventual adaptation of human being over millenia to their chosen habitat.( RUBBISH, PROVE IT..I GAVE EXAMPLES ABOVE..)

In the words of Tyler Durden, You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. Get over it. ( OH BUT I AM, I AM NOT NEGROID, NOR AM I MONGOLOID, IM CAUCASOID A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SPECIES TO THOSE OTHERS.WE ARE NO MORE ALIKE THAN A GREYHOUND IS TO A WOLF.)


>< As I try to make sense of this gibberish ><

First of all, whites don't come from "hot" countries. They never did. The white race originated from the northern parts of the planet. All whites that you see living in hot climates today did not originate there, they relocated there, and given enough time, their skins would start to produce enough melanin to shield them from the sun the way darker people's do. Evolution is an excrutiatingly slow process, don't expect to see any real changes to the human form in your lifetime.

Second, commie manual? Where does one procure such a thing? Surely there must be one going on Ebay? Preferable signed by the Chairman himself. ^^.

Third. You are an idiot. You are completely incoherent, have no idea how to use forum text functions, and you write like you've been strung out on a meth bender for half a year. Punctuation is a good thing. Try paragraphs. Shit, try making sense. You have the I.Q. of a garden slug, and the debating powers of a dead cat. Arguing with you is like teaching pigs to sing, the pig will never learn, and you'll be that much more of a fed up idiot for actually trying.

Nevermind, incoherent one. Please journey back to the West Virginia hollar from whence you came and collect the rest of your five teeth. I do believe I hear you cousin/wife/sister calling you.

( IM A PURE BRED CAUCASOID, MIXED WITH THE MANY CAUCASOID OFFSPRINGS , ANGLO SAXON AND NORDIC, NO MONGO NOR NEGRO IN MY BLOOD, SO YES I AM A PURE CAUCASIAN BLOOD)

You're silly, I like you. There are no anglo-saxons left. They disappeared centuries ago. Chances are, if you are from europe, you do indeed have some 'mogol' blood. After all the austrians are the 'beef chinese'.

( ROME WAS DESTROYED BY MULTICULTURALISM AND MULTIRACIALISM, SO WHATS YOUR POINT, SO WAS EGYPT.)


No, it was destroyed by laziness, tax policy, corruption, and no clear line of succession. (And christianity). But nevermind.

Now grow up.

People, people.

I shudder at being the voice of reason, but don't rise to Dazzlingdazza's bait.

Not worth it.

The quality of Dazzlingdazza's posts speak for themselves. No need to comment.

Definitely no need to cross the line and get banned (or worse).

Spamming, flaming, flamebaiting, trolling, copy-paste spam, and other generally rule-breaking behavior.

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No, it was destroyed by laziness, tax policy, corruption, and no clear line of succession. (And christianity). But nevermind.


all of those, with the possible exception of the 'no clear line of succession' one, could have been (and probably were, at least to some degree) caused by multiracialism.

all of those, with the exception of 'no clear line of succession' one, could have been (and probably were, at least to some degree) caused by multiracialism.

ROTFLASTC!

constructive.. :rolleyes:

God i hate these forums

constructive.. :rolleyes:

God i hate these forums

You want constructive?

Try saying something constructive.

Rather than something ridiculously inane.

Some statements are so clearly absurd they do not require a point-by-point refutation. (Which you would ignore anyway.)

The BNP, possibly the most hated party in Britain by the sane majority, and recipient of about 800'000 votes last elections, even winning seats such as Bradford.

They don't have any seats apart from a few councillors here and there...

In the 2001 general election they won 47,129 votes.