NationStates Jolt Archive

Just out of curiosity,
did those companies just jump right in
right before the war stared and Nazis come to power?
Seems to me that Ford had a plant there before.
Back in those days, I really doubt that Ford and GM
knew that Hitler would start using those plants for rebuilding a brand new
military force and then take over the world. Auto production was big in those days. Usually when a tyrant comes to power he seizes everything in the nation for his own personal use. Were there US citizens emploied there??
Mind you, it was the GERMAN branch of Ford.
But hey, I guess Clinton giving nuclear production information
to Kim Yung Il in the 90s is not the reason why they have nuclear
capabitlities today is it?

I have no idea what you are ranting on about Clinton for. Just bear in mind when you tell Europeans how much the US saved their asses that US owned companies helped arm Hitler's Germany.

good question. I'm not too sure...... all football can be quite dangerous, 4sure.

why should we be responsible for someone else
who takes advanatge of what is given to him?

What are you talking about?

"Spellich, the Ford spokesman, insists the company did not have management control over its German subsidiary during the period in question."

this is what was said in one of your links.
Do you really think Ford would have gone over
to Hitler an said, "Hey, stop using slave labor in my plant?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm
twoards the bottom.

if you put a manufactoring plant in some nation that does not follow the same rules and you have no say as to what goes on over there, then we should be suing Coca Cola for its business in Columbia.
http://www.cokewatch.org/

Spam. Silly. MMM meaty.

good question. I'm not too sure...... all football can be quite dangerous, 4sure.

yeah, but oh well, football's fun, screw the injury rate.

We have in the UK what many Americans would consider "immoral" gun laws and yet far less gun crime. It seems the addage 'If you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have gun's" hasnt caused any major problems in the UK. Comparitve murder rates are far lower in the UK and while vilonet crime may have gone up recently, that isnt rearly linked to gun laws seeing how they havent rearly changed very much in the last few years. So how do the Pro-Gun lobby explain the UK?
I explain it thusly: the UK is a totally different country, with different customs, habits, and laws, which has long had different attitudes about guns.

Canada might be a better comparison, geographically etc....but oopsie, they have way more guns and way less gun crime than the U.S.

Just as the Netherlands has legal marijuana but LOWER rates of teenage smoking than the U.S.

Prohibition limits the freedom of decent people and is ignored by criminals, and no amount of positive thought, sophistry, or fingers-in-ears lalalalala will change that.

'sides, they can't even speak proper Murric'n in England How can you get shooting mad when the guy you're arguing with sounds like John Cleese? :-p

And no, I'm not a redneck or right-winger and I rather like the English.

Spam. Silly. MMM meaty.

argh, mystery meat, unclean, unclean!!!!! :eek:

well I gotta run.
I have to go clean the barrel
of my M-60 from that last would be home invader.
You ladies all have a nice day!

PS And Keep on Shootin!!!!
lol!

DIE SPAM DIE DIE SPAM IST ON FIRE!! :mp5:
:)

well I gotta run.
I have to go clean the barrel
of my M-60 from that last would be home invader.
You ladies all have a nice day!

Me too. Enjoyed our duelling
Have a good cleaning sesh! :)

I explain it thusly: the UK is a totally different country, with different customs, habits, and laws, which has long had different attitudes about guns.

Canada might be a better comparison, geographically etc....but oopsie, they have way more guns and way less gun crime than the U.S.

Just as the Netherlands has legal marijuana but LOWER rates of teenage smoking than the U.S.

Prohibition limits the freedom of decent people and is ignored by criminals, and no amount of positive thought, sophistry, or fingers-in-ears lalalalala will change that.

'sides, they can't even speak proper Murric'n in England How can you get shooting mad when the guy you're arguing with sounds like John Cleese? :-p

And no, I'm not a redneck or right-winger and I rather like the English.
it's easy to get shootin mad if you're talkin to sum idjit sounds like Jimmy Bund, especially the new Jimmy Bund.

Me too. Enjoyed our duelling
Have a good cleaning sesh! :)

And by the way.
No hard feelings on any of this K??
It was fun dueling with you too!!
Have a nice day!!!!!

Prohibition limits the freedom of decent people and is ignored by criminals, and no amount of positive thought, sophistry, or fingers-in-ears lalalalala will change that.

Having a gun free society does limit the access criminals have to firearms. Very few criminals can actually be bothered, or even have the necessary skills and resources, to make their own firearms and ammunition. Likewise, very few know a guy who knows a guy who knows the guy that smuggles in a suitcase of guns from Russia every six months.

And by the way.
No hard feelings on any of this K??
It was fun dueling with you too!!
Have a nice day!!!!!

en garde.

Having a gun free society does limit the access criminals have to firearms. Very few criminals can actually be bothered, or even have the necessary skills and resources, to make their own firearms and ammunition. Likewise, very few know a guy who knows a guy who knows the guy that smuggles in a suitcase of guns from Russia every six months.

I don't need to know a guy who imports guns from russia, I just have to ask the(please don't flame me for this)"brutha on the corner down in the hood where he can hook me up wit some heat, if I give him so "ice" or some "mary jane" in trade"(not serious, do not flame)

en garde.

yeah you too!

Well, I hope that when all of you leave here today
with a new light on things. I will take into account
of what was said against me and I hope everyone will
take note of what was said by me. In the end,
this is suppose to be a dissucion of ideas,and different
viewpoints. I just hope we all learn from each other's
viewpoints. I did, i hope you all do too.

Till we meet again on the battlefields of forums!!!!
YEEAAHH!!!

by the way
I like soccer and football just as much!
Now rugby, thats a reall cool sport!

The UK has never had a dictatior. That does nothing for your point.

Oliver Cromwell.

good question. I'm not too sure...... all football can be quite dangerous, 4sure.

in soccer there seem to be freak accidents... EG, two guys go up for a header and one guy's face runs into the other guy's forehead... stuff like that... but compared to rugby/american football, soccer seems pretty tame.

Oliver Cromwell.

It's true. And we got rid of him without assault weapons. In fact, few countries get rid of dictators through armed rebellion.

It's true. And we got rid of him without assault weapons. In fact, few countries get rid of dictators through armed rebellion.

hmm, there were no assault rifles in cromwells time, so your not really saying much, also Cromwell was a good guy, more so than Charles at least. An assualt weapon is a pea shooter compared to my piece, a springfield model 1911-A1, 30-06 semi-automatic rifle, more powerful than any gun affected by the "assault weapons ban" and unaffected by the ban, hmm, not very smart that, ban a weak gun, leave a strong one legal, cause everybody's afraid of a wannabe m16, versus an M-1 garand type rifle.

Oliver Cromwell.

Cromwell was Lord Protector of England, not the UK.

We have in the UK what many Americans would consider "immoral" gun laws, yet far less gun crime. It seems the adage 'If you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns' hasn't caused any major problems in the UK. Comparative murder rates are far lower in the UK and while violent crime may have gone up recently, that isn't really linked to gun laws seeing how they haven't really changed very much in the last few years. So how do the pro-gun lobby explain the UK?

The explanation is that, in reality, gun-related crimes are skyrocketing in the UK, according to recent statistics. As well, there is often a lag between an action and its social consequences; a population has inertia, of a sort. If one wants an example of the topsy-turvy, proto-Orwellian state of the UK, one need look no further than Tony Martin of Norfolk (www.tonymartinsupportgroup.org). Let's not forget that little incident involving BBC 4 and Mr. Stephen Pound, MP, and their promise to try to get a piece of legislation suggested by the audience onto the books (http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=53). When the winning proposal, a law to support self-defense, got 26,000 votes, Mr. Pound's response was "The people have spoken . . . the bastards." He also called the proposal a "ludicrous, brutal, unworkable blood-stained piece of legislation." What a polite, heart-warming representative of the people he is.

All this doesn't even mention the government's rather chilling advertising campaign attempting to convince the public that the all-seeing eye of the all-pervasive surveillance camera system is a good thing, but that's off-topic other than to point up the current climate of minding other people's business for them, whether they want that or not.

Firearms are used in the US to prevent or interrupt crimes more than two million times a year, often without a single shot being fired, though such incidents are rarely reported by the mainstream media. Other studies have shown very recently that having a firearm means a potential victim is vastly less likely to be injured or killed by an assailant. Also, as the percentage of the law-abiding citizenry that is armed goes up, the crime rate, and especially the violent crime rate, goes down, according to several careful studies by such luminaries as John Lott, PhD (www.johnrlott.com).

In fact, few countries get rid of dictators through armed rebellion.

Which is why the Second Amendment exists in the US Bill of Rights: to prevent dictators and the resulting dilemma you point up.

Cromwell was Lord Protector of England, not the UK.

True, but I stand by the essential point: that claiming there were no dictators in British history is a fragile assertion, as all blanket pronouncements tend to be. (Yes, I know, that was a blanket pronouncement itself.)

The explanation is that, in reality, gun-related crimes are skyrocketing in the UK, according to recent statistics[/url].

Very cleaver. Now try reconsiling that with the fact that the gun laws in this country have always prevented you from owning one for anything other than a "Professional good reason" under which catagory self defence does not fall. Gun crime may have been rising recently but its nowhere near as high as American gun deaths and its not related to any change in our gun laws.

The explanation is that, in reality, gun-related crimes are skyrocketing in the UK, according to recent statistics.

What statistics are those then?

Q: whose grandfather was busted in 1942 for trading with the Enemy (Nazi Germany)?

Hint: same guy's great-grandfather was investigated by congress in the 1930s for funding the spread of Nazi propaganda in the U.S.

Anyone have any guesses? Aw fuggit, here's another hint: George Bush.

Having a gun free society does limit the access criminals have to firearms. Very few criminals can actually be bothered, or even have the necessary skills and resources, to make their own firearms and ammunition. Likewise, very few know a guy who knows a guy who knows the guy that smuggles in a suitcase of guns from Russia every six months.
A "gun free society" is an impossibility. Even in the most gun-restricted societies today, there are still both government agents and criminals with guns.

I can't speak to whether or not someone can be "bothered" to do something, but there are virtually no skills and no resources (other than normal industrial/construction supply hoouses) that are required to manufactire blow-back operated submachine guns. Philip Luty proved it. Click on my Sig Name if you don't believe me.

But why would you want to accept reality? Just keep your fingers in your ears and close your eyes. Nanny will take care of you.

A "gun free society" is an impossibility. Even in the most gun-restricted societies today, there are still both government agents and criminals with guns.

I don't meen literally gun free, as in, not a single firearm in the entire country. Gun free, as in, no private ownership of firearms.

Criminals have far greater access to firearms when there are 300 million privately owned weapons, not to mention a gun shop in every town. When their only source of firearms is to steal from government agencies, smuggle them from abroad, or reactivate old weapons, that seriously limits the number of criminals who are carrying firearms.

I can't speak to whether or not someone can be "bothered" to do something, but there are virtually no skills and no resources (other than normal industrial/construction supply hoouses) that are required to manufactire blow-back operated submachine guns. Philip Luty proved it. Click on my Sig Name if you don't believe me.

Just because one man can do it, does not mean all criminals, or even a significant proportion of them are able to do it. Which is why the UK is not overrun with home made machineguns. In fact, I don't recall a single instance in the news of a home made firearm being used in a shooting.

Just keep your fingers in your ears and close your eyes. Nanny will take care of you.

Grow up.

I don't meen literally gun free, as in, not a single firearm in the entire country. Gun free, as in, no private ownership of firearms.

Criminals have far greater access to firearms when there are 300 million privately owned weapons, not to mention a gun shop in every town. When their only source of firearms is to steal from government agencies, smuggle them from abroad, or reactivate old weapons, that seriously limits the number of criminals who are carrying firearms.



Just because one man can do it, does not mean all criminals, or even a significant proportion of them are able to do it. Which is why the UK is not overrun with home made machineguns. In fact, I don't recall a single instance in the news of a home made firearm being used in a shooting.



Grow up.

The FBI has reported a loss of hundreds of weapons, including fully automatics. Smuggling is cheap and easy. Individual criminals don't have to do it. All it takes is a few w/ machine tools and they have a nice blackmarket business selling to criminals. Apparently the criminals in the UK just aren't as inventive as the ones in the US.