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Who are you going to vote for this year? Having discovered we have a candidate in our area this year, i'm Voting Monster Raving Loony Party! :D

But which liar are you voting for? There are plenty of choices. None of them will do anything of course... :rolleyes:

Vote insanity! You know it makes sense! :D

I'm voting Lib Dem, although really I don't care who gets in so long as it's not the Tories. Michael Howard is a one way ticket back to the eighties, and they were bad enough the first time round.

We just can't win. Labour sucks and tells lies, the Conservatives mean freedom... for the RICH, and the Lib dems have more chance of opening a chain of Tacos than gaining power...

...So i'm wasting my vote on a third party. :D

I'm voting Lib Dem, although really I don't care who gets in so long as it's not the Tories. Michael Howard is a one way ticket back to the eighties, and they were bad enough the first time round.
ditto.


and TIN, if enough people vote lib dem, they'll get in! don't throw away your vote completely... vote lib dem and help them have a fighting chance!

ditto.


and TIN, if enough people vote lib dem, they'll get in! don't throw away your vote completely... vote lib dem and help them have a fighting chance!

Why? The Loony manifesto rocks! They want to introduce a 99p coin to save on change-and they want to investigate why there is a Polar bear on Fox's glacier mints!

Why? The Loony manifesto rocks! They want to introduce a 99p coin to save on change-and they want to investigate why there is a Polar bear on Fox's glacier mints!
well i'm changing my vote :p

Monster Raving Loony Party? That sounds awesome!

Monster Raving Loony Party? That sounds awesome!
The candidate in our area is a self declared lord who wears a turquoise suit.

I just watched Question Time.

Charles Kennedy rocks. I'm not British, but I wish we had the Lib Dems here..

Charles Kennedy rocks.

It'd be totally cool if Charlie was PM! Instead of going to war, we'd just have a cup of tea! It'd be great!

Why? The Loony manifesto rocks! They want to introduce a 99p coin to save on change-and they want to investigate why there is a Polar bear on Fox's glacier mints!
why do you have to be Prime Minister to be able to investigate why there is a polar bear on Fox's glacier mints?

Ha! The monster raving loony party know how run a government better than the lib dems - you know how much damage they'd do to the economy?

Anyway, I'm voting conservative because they won't get in and I think that the best state of affairs is a hung parliament - no more idiot laws from either side!

why do you have to be Prime Minister to be able to investigate why there is a polar bear on Fox's glacier mints?
it takes a loooooot of government resources, obviously :rolleyes:

why do you have to be Prime Minister to be able to investigate why there is a polar bear on Fox's glacier mints?

Because then you can officially fund a multi-million pound investigation! :D

It'd be totally cool if Charlie was PM! Instead of going to war, we'd just have a cup of tea! It'd be great!
well if you ask me, tea is the answer to the problems in Iraq, all we need to do is ship a load out there and get everyone sat down and relaxed and everything will be worked out, there's nothing a good cup of tea can't solve!

Because then you can officially fund a multi-million pound investigation! :D


Couldn't they just talk some rich idiot like Richard Branson into doing it?

The candidate in our area is a self declared lord who wears a turquoise suit.

THAT ROCKS.

It should become an international movement. "The Intentional Loonies of the World"?

it takes a loooooot of government resources, obviously :rolleyes:
yeah, phoning them up to ask will undoubtedly cost an absolute fortune, or perhaps they could pay someone to use some common sense to come up with something along the lines of
glacier mints-------> glaciers-----> ice and snow------> arctic -----> polar bears

yeah, phoning them up to ask will undoubtedly cost an absolute fortune, or perhaps they could pay someone to use some common sense to come up with something along the lines of
glacier mints-------> glaciers-----> ice and snow------> arctic -----> polar bears
:eek: omg! you deserve to be PM with powers of deduction like that! you'd save the country a fortune!:D

Labour.

Anyway, I'm voting conservative because they won't get in and I think that the best state of affairs is a hung parliament - no more idiot laws from either side!

:mad: Conservatives suck. They've even got an annoying leader. The mere sight of him makes me sick.

:eek: omg! you deserve to be PM with powers of deduction like that! you'd save the country a fortune!:D
lol VOTE TINK FOR PRIME MINISTER!!

lol VOTE TINK FOR PRIME MINISTER!!

So long as you don't enforce the wearing of Pink underwear, you'd get my vote. :D

I'll vote lib dem if I vote at all.

I'm just wondering whether by throwing away my vote in a Tory safe seat I am validating a system that I disagree with.

Go monster raving looney party! Yay! The lack of a NS party is disturbing though. I thought most of you wanted world domination?

Go monster raving looney party! Yay! The lack of a NS party is disturbing though. I thought most of you wanted world domination?

Do you know how much it costs to form a party and register it? :mad:

Idea 2 for world domination: Giant robots! WOO!

Do you know how much it costs to form a party and register it? :mad:

I believe it is in the order of hundreds of pounds for a single candidate. That said, if you get something like 600 votes you get the money back I believe.

Idea 2 for world domination: Giant robots! WOO!

I've been looking round junk piles, but so far no luck. :(

I'm voting Lib Dem. So there.

John Kerry

John Kerry

Put the bottle down...

If I was over 18, then Liberal Democrats.

Our school is having a mock general election. I'm campaigning (but not running as candidate) for their version of the Liberal Democrats.

One of the parties in the mock is New Wave Anarchy!

Put the bottle down...

:D

:mad: Conservatives suck. They've even got an annoying leader. The mere sight of him makes me sick.
True. That guy is just one big walking joke. The Conservatives don't have anything good to say so instead they mock the other parties.

I believe it is in the order of hundreds of pounds for a single candidate. That said, if you get something like 600 votes you get the money back I believe.
i believe it's £200

My first vote will go to *drum roll* UKIP! Cus I'm NOT voting Labour, the Tories...well they didn't give a hoot about me until an election rolled around and needed me to do something, Lib Dem...hah...and the only other party is the Socialist Alliance. Commies in all but name...

Sigh.

If I was over 18, then Liberal Democrats.

Our school is having a mock general election. I'm campaigning (but not running as candidate) for their version of the Liberal Democrats.

One of the parties in the mock is New Wave Anarchy!
they're doing that at my old school, one of my geeks is running for the Tory's *vomit* we had a rather loud 'discussion' cause the Tory's suck but he's an idiot

ditto.


and TIN, if enough people vote lib dem, they'll get in! don't throw away your vote completely... vote lib dem and help them have a fighting chance!


Unless, of course, the tory candidate in your area has a chance - then vote for whichever candidate keeps the tory out of the seat.

That sort of thing is much easier with a PR system.

Unless, of course, the tory candidate in your area has a chance - then vote for whichever candidate keeps the tory out of the seat.

That sort of thing is much easier with a PR system.

Vote lib dem anyway. Give them the moral support and show the rest of the electorate that they can win.

My first vote will go to *drum roll* UKIP!

Any particular reason apart from elimination?

Personally I am not impressed with the election, in fact it is boring, and to be honest I'm beginning to care less and less. . . and the rhetoric is just rediculous, hardly anything memorable. "Forward not backwards", "Are you think what we're thinking?" and "The "Real" Alternative"? Plus the definite thought of another Blair term is just depressing. And I can't politely express how much I dislike Blair.

Howard is ending up now doing more damage to the Conservatives, his body language and tone of voice (on yesterdays Question Time) was pretty weak, if paradoxically sinister also. I'm glad he brought immigration into the debate, but his language became rediculous and he pushed it to far thus decrediting his point. A point though that other parties in some respects agreed on, hence his need to take it to extremes (effectively killing it off). Plus opportunitism was very tasteless, for example on the MRSA case.

Kennedy unfortunately for him, can't shake off this "incompetent" image that is (wrongly in my opinion) perpetuated by the media, but then I'm not a big fan of the Liberal Democrats anyways. A breath of fresh air I'm sure from the other two parties and I can't say I'd be dissapointed if he won (even though I probably wont vote for them like my parents have done).

I'll be voting EDP however, if I can.

Just a small selection of imporant (in my eyes) issues that seem to have been ignored as far as I can tell:
Electoral reform (PR), ID cards (no), House Arrest (no), the environment (more protection), the EU ("no" for me I'm afraid), the House of Lords (elected NOT appointed), rejected regional quangos (get rid of them), Barnette Formula (reform), WLQ (English Parliament), and the Monarchy (get rid of!). . .

Blair has been criticised for trying to politicise the civil service, but hasn't he had some stick over something to do with public inquieries?

Also I think we need some way of holding our elected dictator to account more, the PM is such a dominant force in Parliament with the party whips and huge majority that Parliament seems to be accountable to him/her rather than the other way round. A seperation of powers would be perhaps a good idea to work towards, independent judiciary. Not certain on whether federalism though is constructive or obstructive but at least in American politics, politicians (from what I've been told) vote less on party lines and can't be sacked for not following one, therefore requiring more debates and reasoning rather than bullying. . . Politicians should do more to serve the wishes of their constituency rather than becomming career politicians kissing Blairs ass. Maybe we should adopt something like Americas primary system also, might be personalising politics or whatever but at least we'd have faith in the credibility of a man we trust to represent us (ie. not introducing top up fees).

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I'm pretty sure if you look into it the lib dems meet all those policies except europe.

Any particular reason apart from elimination?

I don't like the EU or the Euro. The Tories are too soft, Labour's snuggling into a bed with the EU and America, and I just think the Lib Dems are daft...

And with regards to people mentioning P.R, the Tories would be in power, I think they actually got more votes, or at least for one of the latest elections they would have been anyway.

And look, I didn't bring up the Weimar republic once...oops.

Vote National Front

Vote National Front

Like I say, Weimar Republic...

I'm pretty sure if you look into it the lib dems meet all those policies except europe.

Well on the EU constitution I don't think it matters, all they've done is pledged their support I guess. I doubt they'd stop a referendum on it.

I'm quite into this anti-unionist idea also, ie. Scotland, England and Wales independent. But it makes to sense to have some sort of association, hence only bothered about a devolved Parliament for England.

And in my opinion, our constitution (which isn't even codified) is ****ed up enough already so why not put the icing on the cake! Which brings up my next point, what's the point in having a Human Rights Act that the PM can suspend whenever he/she wants? It's just a token gesture.

And with regards to people mentioning P.R, the Tories would be in power, I think they actually got more votes, or at least for one of the latest elections they would have been anyway.

Which surely highlights how distorted our "democratic" elections are?

And plus I think if there was pure PR then people wouldn't favour the main two parties so much. Therefore decreasing their vote, especially when the apathetic voters go "hey, my vote could actually make a difference here". Rather than having to listen to wankers in suits preach to the concerns of marginal constituencies, whilst ignoring everybody else.

Well on the EU constitution I don't think it matters, all they've done is pledged their support I guess. I doubt they'd stop a referendum on it.

I'm quite into this anti-unionist idea also, ie. Scotland, England and Wales independent. But it makes to sense to have some sort of association, hence only bothered about a devolved Parliament for England.

And in my opinion, our constitution (which isn't even codified) is ****ed up enough already so why not put the icing on the cake! Which brings up my next point, what's the point in having a Human Rights Act that the PM can suspend whenever he/she wants? It's just a token gesture.

The lib dems want to codify the constitution, which would have most of the human rights act in it i suspect.

Like I say, Weimar Republic...
yeah we need some gustav stresseman like guy

I can't even vote yet and I've already developed a thorough disappointment with British politics. The willingless of the electorate to suck up Tory bull on immigration is disturbing when you consider that, despite all the rhetoric, immigrants bring a net benefit of £2.5 billion to our economy - a fact which even anti-immigration hardliners like Migrationwatch admit. What drain there is seems largely to do with the efforts to stop immigrants using their skills to work productively - there are ex-civil servants working as cleaners, and people qualified as medical professionals who have to wait tables instead of working in the NHS.

Last year, Tony Blair declared climate change to be the biggest threat our civilisation faces. This year, it doesn't even begin to feature in Labour's central policy pledges, and the Conservatives hardly mentioned the environment in their manifesto. This is very worrying to me, because it's my generation and those who follow us who will have to live with the brunt of the impact of decisions made today. There's also been nothing about the current Government's abuses of our civil liberties.

One of the most irritating things is that Labour and its columnist cheerleaders like Johann Hari are arguing that, because of our screwed-up FPTP system, no decent left-winger should vote for anyone except Labour, except in those few seats where the Lib Dems lead, or in Brighton, where the Greens have a chance. The irony is, of course, that in 1997 Labour promised to fix FPTP - a system which forces both voters and parties closer and closer to the centre in the hopes of making any impact at all.

Politics now seems to be much less about the grand clash of ideologies in serious debate, and far more about squabbling over tax rates, who can treat immigrants worse, who's more incompetent that who else. Promotion of coherent political philosophies has been replaced by patronising slogans which say nothing. When Labour unveiled their slogan, they didn't say they were using it to summarise their political ideals - whoever was speaking at the press conference actually said that it "showed" the electorate that Labour was the better choice for progress - as if "Britain: Forward not Back" actually constitutes an argument.

_Myopia_, people like you are my only hope for the future.

_Myopia_, people like you are my only hope for the future.

Thanks! Although the burden is heavy - I used to think that maybe my generation would start to change things, but I'm constantly surprised how few people my age are willing to stray drastically from the status quo in more than a couple of issues - and how many simply can't be bothered.

Vote Conservative. If you want to raise a greivance with them, go ahead. I'll try and dispel it.

Vote Conservative. If you want to raise a greivance with them, go ahead. I'll try and dispel it.

Ok - a list. This isn't going to be everything, by the way.

- As far as their manifesto and their campaign are concerned, climate change is apparently not an issue for them. Apparently being flooded with immigrants is the biggest threat we face :rolleyes:
- They think that it's possible for them to cut taxes and increase spending on border patrols and deal with MRSA and fix the school system, without any public services being harmed - but have no problem campaigning on the basis of the IMF's assertions that Labour will be forced to raise taxes to maintain current levels of spending.
- As far as I know, they're not going to do anything about FPTP, a system which stifles political views which, like mine, are further from the centre than the big 3 parties (and lots of the time, even just the big 2)
- They want to harshen drug laws.
- They're far too harsh on immigration, especially given that we profit from it economically, need more of various professionals especially medical, and have a problem with an aging population (it's going to be increasingly difficult for the working population to support the growing number of dependent elderly citizens). And given that the economic systems perpetuated by nations like ours (and I hardly think the Tories are going to come out as Fair Trade lefties) bear substantial responsibility for the poverty that economic migrants are fleeing.
- Separately from economic migration, they want to put an absolute cap on asylum. Regardless of their promises that it would be varied annually in response to world events, the principle is disgusting - no matter how needy, the 30,001st (or wherever the limit is) human being fleeing terror and persecution is going to be turned away without a second thought.
- The current government's abuses of our civil liberties are apparently not a big issue in their election campaign, suggesting they don't care that much.
- Their election campaign has been annoying and patronising. In particular the "How hard can it be to keep a hospital clean" demonstrates an apparent complete ignorance about the issue - it is VERY hard to keep a hospital clean, given the number of people moving through on a daily basis, the disrespect of many members of the public for standards of cleanliness and decency (even vandalism seems common), and the percentage of beds occupied (it is a general rule of thumb that infection rates rise substantially as soon as more than 70% of beds are occupied, as to clean thoroughly, staff need a ward or room to be empty of patients (the latter will never be dealt with unless turnover rate increases or more capacity is provided, which will need increased spending).

A decent opposition party's two biggest issues in this campaign would be the disrespect Blair has shown our civil liberties, and the lack of action on climate change. Instead, we have a campaign trying to appeal to xenophobes, and making a huge deal over a fairly vague and probably quite minor proposed change in tax rates.

i like cheese

Torn between Lib Dem and Labour
Labour are the better choice for keeping the tories out of power (the area i vote for (which ironically isnt where i live but meh) is very close between Labout and the toreis, and i hate the tories). They're also the historically Socialist choice.
Lib Dems seem more honest, have slightly better policies in my book, and actually seem to be the more left wing party.

I'm worried about the extent of privatisation sweeping in 'under the cover' of Labour's reign. Governemnt spending in the private sector for healthcare, for example, is far higher than it ever was under the tories.
If we could bring back old Labour it'd be an easy vote, but Tony worries me.

Why? The Loony manifesto rocks! They want to introduce a 99p coin to save on change-and they want to investigate why there is a Polar bear on Fox's glacier mints!

And they want to replace political mudslinging with guns, they're more effective.

Oh and by the way I'm a conservative. Thatcher was the best thing that ever happened to this country, the poor deserve to be poor if they can't keep control of there money.

the poor deserve to be poor if they can't keep control of there money.

And that's why us non-sociopaths are voting Lib-Dem.

Who are you going to vote for this year? Having discovered we have a candidate in our area this year, i'm Voting Monster Raving Loony Party! :D

But which liar are you voting for? There are plenty of choices. None of them will do anything of course... :rolleyes:

Vote insanity! You know it makes sense! :D
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