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Why would a guy prosecute a woman for this?

Man convicted of rape
Why would a girl prosecute a man for this?


:rolleyes:

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Why would a guy prosecute a woman for this?
That's a joke, right?

Eh, he didn't consent? And I quote

Under Norwegian law, all sexual acts with someone who is "unconscious or for other reasons unable to oppose the act" are considered rape.

Simple, really... If you want, I can look up the actual paragraph (albeit in Norwegian)...

lol - well I was being silly and agree that nonconsentual sex is wrong - just playing off teh fact that most guys would welcome a free anonymous bj

She must have been really fat, or really ugly for him to take this to court.

He needs new beer goggles

lol - well I was being silly and agree that nonconsentual sex is wrong - just playing off teh fact that most guys would welcome a free anonymous bj

Suit youreslf.

She must have been really fat, or really ugly for him to take this to court.

He needs new beer goggles

Thats the conclusion I came to. If you woke to find someone hot supermodel looker enjoying yoru smoked meat log, you wouldnt take issue.

Or he could be gay.

Or he could be gay.
That is a possibility...

reporters just dont ask the obvious questions it seems - if they had the title of the article might end up as: Fat Homely Woman Rapes Gay Man, Gets Convicted

It's not a laughing mater, but I'm little bit amuzed...
Said that I can say it's a rape nothing less.
Add to that what if the woman had some sort of std or
something.

Really. I shouldn't laugh...

I don't see why it's shocking when a woman rapes a man, but when a man rapes a woman, it's viewed s more common. I mean, true, most men are stronger than most women, but still, it's possible for the woman to get the man into a position where he can't avoid it. And if he just used force to stop her, she'd claim she was being abused, and it'd be her word against his, and we all know who'd win that battle. I need some rum or something...

Yeah, I really don't see how that warrents a 9 month prison sentence, or even, but for the possible mild humiliation, how he suffered at all in the first place.

:eek:

Yeah, I really don't see how that warrents a 9 month prison sentence, or even, but for the possible mild humiliation, how he suffered at all in the first place.
rape is rape is rape is rape

I think that is should be possible for a woman to be convicted of rape, but I would imagine such a scenario as say, I dunno, her yanking his cock while jamming a wine bottle up has ass ... and so on.

This case really does not sound that bad. It seems to be one of those cases where the 'victim' sees an opportunity to make some money.

I think that is should be possible for a woman to be convicted of rape, but I would imagine such a scenario as say, I dunno, her yanking his cock while jamming a wine bottle up has ass ... and so on.

This case really does not sound that bad. It seems to be one of those cases where the 'victim' sees an opportunity to make some money.


I heard of instances where supposedly female prisoners had taken pencils and shoved them in male gaurdsmens peni (come on that's gotta be the plural for penis) to simulate an erection and raped these gaurds. prolly just an urban legend though.

She must have been really fat, or really ugly for him to take this to court.

He needs new beer goggles
Or maybe she was beautiful, be he didn't like being involved in a sex act that he did not consent to?

Christ...should women only cry rape when their attackers are ugly?

I say, this is proof positive that gender equity is being enforced in law there.

I think that is should be possible for a woman to be convicted of rape, but I would imagine such a scenario as say, I dunno, her yanking his cock while jamming a wine bottle up has ass ... and so on.

This case really does not sound that bad. It seems to be one of those cases where the 'victim' sees an opportunity to make some money.
Uh-huh. Switch it around. A woman is wakes up to find a stranger, slowly and lovingly performing oral sex on her. She did not consent, and she chooses to press charges. Justified? I'd say both cases would be.

Sinner you finally made it to my thread! Way to make a guy wait!

I agree with you totally but you gotta look at it from the generalization of the horny male perspective. :D :fluffle: <--- ooops sorry I didnt ask for consent to give that fluffle.

Sinner you finally made it to my thread! Way to make a guy wait!

I agree with you totally but you gotta look at it from the generalization of the horny male perspective. :D :fluffle: <--- ooops sorry I didnt ask for consent to give that fluffle.
Look at it from THIS perspective.

The man was gay.

Or in a monogamous relationship.

Or had AIDS and would never have wanted to spread it.

I heard of instances where supposedly female prisoners had taken pencils and shoved them in male gaurdsmens peni (come on that's gotta be the plural for penis) to simulate an erection and raped these gaurds. prolly just an urban legend though.

The proper plural in Latin would be "penes", but "penises" is commonly accepted.

It's just as much of a violation of a man's rights to be forced to have sex without his consent. I imagine if it were a woman, there would be no controversy, but the stereotype that all men are sex-starved horny teenagers makes people dismiss this.

If they guy had liked it and wanted to continue, charges would not have been pressed. Same goes for a woman. I'm not sure why anyone is questioning this.

Look at it from THIS perspective.

The man was gay.

Or in a monogamous relationship.

Or had AIDS and would never have wanted to spread it.

I already have and like I said I agree with you - but the joke dammit... the joke!

Thats the conclusion I came to. If you woke to find someone hot supermodel looker enjoying yoru smoked meat log, you wouldnt take issue.

I would not take issue, I would take pictures :p

The proper plural in Latin would be "penes", but "penises" is commonly accepted.

It's just as much of a violation of a man's rights to be forced to have sex without his consent. I imagine if it were a woman, there would be no controversy, but the stereotype that all men are sex-starved horny teenagers makes people dismiss this.

i like penes - that came out wrong

I still think peni should be the plural form.

Yes, its a stereotype but has its roots in reality. As a man I have very few male friends because I can't stand the constant talk about T&A from the MAJORITY of guys I have attempted to make friends with. I know women have a tendency to do much of the same but on a mmuch much smaller scale.

I already have and like I said I agree with you - but the joke dammit... the joke!
Sorry. I'm being accused of being for female supremacy, not gender equity in another thread, so I'm afraid that today I will not joke about this, because it will be taken as proof positive that I am anti-male. Tomorrow we will make great bruhaha about it, I promise.

As a man I have very few male friends because I can't stand the constant talk about T&A from the MAJORITY of guys I have attempted to make friends with. I know women have a tendency to do much of the same but on a mmuch much smaller scale.
Ha! Just not when you guys are around is all...:)

If they guy had liked it and wanted to continue, charges would not have been pressed. Same goes for a woman. I'm not sure why anyone is questioning this.


Very true, but I think it deserves scrutiny, because lets face it - wouldnt you expect more guys to enjoy waking up to some stranger giving him a bj than women. I'm betting that no women at all woudl enjoy this (maybe 1 out of a million) but theres a much larger number of guys who wouldn't mind and in fact would hope for such an occurance?

i like penes - that came out wrong

I still think peni should be the plural form.

Yes, its a stereotype but has its roots in reality. As a man I have very few male friends because I can't stand the constant talk about T&A from the MAJORITY of guys I have attempted to make friends with. I know women have a tendency to do much of the same but on a mmuch much smaller scale.

If it were "penus", then the Latin plural might be "penii", but that's about as close as you'd get.

Sorry. I'm being accused of being for female supremacy, not gender equity in another thread, so I'm afraid that today I will not joke about this, because it will be taken as proof positive that I am anti-male. Tomorrow we will make great bruhaha about it, I promise.

lol - well I think females are superior to men and dont care if anyone accuses me of such things.

Very true, but I think it deserves scrutiny, because lets face it - wouldnt you expect more guys to enjoy waking up to some stranger giving him a bj than women. I'm betting that no women at all woudl enjoy this (maybe 1 out of a million) but theres a much larger number of guys who wouldn't mind and in fact would hope for such an occurance?
Well, since most women don't have the equipment to get a blowjob...

Point is moot. It isn't about what most people would want. It is about the fact that this man did not, pressed charges, and was justly validated by law instead of being told he should have considered himself lucky.

Ha! Just not when you guys are around is all...:)

lol trust me I know as often times I am considered one of the girls :p

Very true, but I think it deserves scrutiny, because lets face it - wouldnt you expect more guys to enjoy waking up to some stranger giving him a bj than women. I'm betting that no women at all woudl enjoy this (maybe 1 out of a million) but theres a much larger number of guys who wouldn't mind and in fact would hope for such an occurance?

Well, yeah, if I was walking down the street and some beautiful Italian girl came up to me and asked if she could give me a blowjob, I'd say sure, in a heartbeat. But if I was taking a nap and that same beautiful Italian girl came in and started giving me head without my permission, while I was unconscious, I'd be disturbed. I'd feel violated.

If it were "penus", then the Latin plural might be "penii", but that's about as close as you'd get.


good enuf for me

Penii it is!

Sdaerjii, are you some sort of linguistics major or something?

I heard of instances where supposedly female prisoners had taken pencils and shoved them in male gaurdsmens peni (come on that's gotta be the plural for penis) to simulate an erection and raped these gaurds. prolly just an urban legend though.
*shudder* My god how my legs instinctively came together when I read that.

Uh-huh. Switch it around. A woman is wakes up to find a stranger, slowly and lovingly performing oral sex on her. She did not consent, and she chooses to press charges. Justified? I'd say both cases would be.
If that was the case my post would have been the same. I think the man had the right to press charges here, as a woman would, but in a case where the rape was not at all violent as most rapes are, I don't see why they would be damaged.

But when have you ever heard of a woman being 'raped' by a man who did nothing more than deliver oral sex?

Sorry. I'm being accused of being for female supremacy, not gender equity in another thread, so I'm afraid that today I will not joke about this, because it will be taken as proof positive that I am anti-male.
The only female supremacist on this board is Feminist Cat Women.

Very true, but I think it deserves scrutiny, because lets face it - wouldnt you expect more guys to enjoy waking up to some stranger giving him a bj than women. I'm betting that no women at all woudl enjoy this (maybe 1 out of a million) but theres a much larger number of guys who wouldn't mind and in fact would hope for such an occurance?
Yeah I would. Not because I think women wouldn't enjoy it, but I think that women would be much more alarmed at the fact that someone had removed their underwear in public.

Well, since most women don't have the equipment to get a blowjob...

Point is moot. It isn't about what most people would want. It is about the fact that this man did not, pressed charges, and was justly validated by law instead of being told he should have considered himself lucky.


well I meant oral sex, but anyhoooooo - yeah that chick got what was coming to her. Damn women thinkign they can do whatever they want... sheesh. She must have been a militant feminist

Well, yeah, if I was walking down the street and some beautiful Italian girl came up to me and asked if she could give me a blowjob, I'd say sure, in a heartbeat. But if I was taking a nap and that same beautiful Italian girl came in and started giving me head without my permission, while I was unconscious, I'd be disturbed. I'd feel violated.

me too but I get the impression that you dont fit into the generalized average male stereotype that permeates my mental image.

Meh, I have no problem for women maintaining delusions of superiority over us members of The Saner Sex, I just have a problem when feminists start spouting this supremist crap and then hypocritically pitch a PMS powered hissy fit if I start griping about women. Providing you're intellectually consistent, it's all good.

I think to judge this case based on the logic that "Well, all guys everywhere want sex all the time, so this particular guy in this case obviously didn't mind this woman having sex with him without consent" is a mistake, though.

good enuf for me

Penii it is!

Sdaerjii, are you some sort of linguistics major or something?

But the word is "penis", not "penus".

No, I'm not a linguistics major. This is just my beginner's Latin class speaking.

Most of you seem to assume the guy was single. And why is everyone going "I wouldn't mind"?

Also, there were probably witnesses or evidence. She probably got what she deserved.

But when have you ever heard of a woman being 'raped' by a man who did nothing more than deliver oral sex?

Yes. Or being raped by being fingered gently. Rape is not just about violence.

Please come discuss feminism with Doom in his anti-feminist rant thread.

But the word is "penis", not "penus".

No, I'm not a linguistics major. This is just my beginner's Latin class speaking.


doesnt matter - I like it and that is what counts :p

now step off my peni :D

edit: cuz I have several of them

.... justly validated by law instead of being told he should have considered himself lucky.I dont think justice was served...

*beginning to think NS is the place where desperatly lonely males gather*

I dont think justice was served...
Why not?

Why not?
Because I think that a conviction for rape should carry a 20 years sentence.

*beginning to think NS is the place where desperatly lonely males gather*

I would say that that is the whole of the internet, although I think NS has a good quantity of guys who are not all testosterone. We do have a few of them though

I don't see why it's shocking when a woman rapes a man, but when a man rapes a woman, it's viewed s more common. I mean, true, most men are stronger than most women, but still, it's possible for the woman to get the man into a position where he can't avoid it. And if he just used force to stop her, she'd claim she was being abused, and it'd be her word against his, and we all know who'd win that battle. I need some rum or something...
actually you'd be suprised how many times it doesnt work out for the girl.
(we just had an hour long assembly on date rape yesterday ironically sp?)

Because I think that a conviction for rape should carry a 20 years sentence.
Oh, ok.

Because I think that a conviction for rape should carry a 20 years sentence.

I don't think things work like that over there...The maximum you can get for anything is 16 years.

Because I think that a conviction for rape should carry a 20 years sentence.
minimum i hope?

I would say that that is the whole of the internet, although I think NS has a good quantity of guys who are not all testosterone. We do have a few of them though

It's quite surprising, because NS is the only foreign forum I go to where people occasionally make sense (IMHO). It's as if these guys would pay money for anything living paying their crotch the tiniest bit of attention.

i'm really amazed at how cavalier people are about this. if a young woman passed out and woke to find a man performing oral sex on her, people would understand why she would feel violated by that act. why is it any different for men? contrary to popular stereotypes, there are plenty of straight men with healthy libidos who would prefer not to have strange women performing intimite acts with them while they are unconscious.

I don't think things work like that over there...The maximum you can get for anything is 16 years.
those criminal laws sux..

i guees If the Norway(or any scandinavian) police had arrested the desert vampire, he would be getting "psy-counseling" "social-reeducation"...etc.

boy am I glad he was caugh by the Iranian police...they know how to deal with these criminals.

minimum i hope?death sentence in most situations..

It's quite surprising, because NS is the only foreign forum I go to where people occasionally make sense (IMHO). It's as if these guys would pay money for anything living paying their crotch the tiniest bit of attention.

yeah - anything with a hole and a heartbeat

i'm really amazed at how cavalier people are about this. if a young woman passed out and woke to find a man performing oral sex on her, people would understand why she would feel violated by that act. why is it any different for men? contrary to popular stereotypes, there are plenty of straight men with healthy libidos who would prefer not to have strange women performing intimite acts with them while they are unconscious.


yeah but it's harder to make light of the situation with an outlook like that :p

hey you have a hilarious sig bottle. did you write that?

i'm really amazed at how cavalier people are about this. if a young woman passed out and woke to find a man performing oral sex on her, people would understand why she would feel violated by that act. why is it any different for men? contrary to popular stereotypes, there are plenty of straight men with healthy libidos who would prefer not to have strange women performing intimite acts with them while they are unconscious.
i'm guessing your a woman.
i dont know any guy who would stop her if no one found out and she didn't have an STD

i dont know any guy who would stop her if no one found out and she didn't have an STDmaybe he is gay...(diclaimer...im not talking about Bottle)

Yes. Or being raped by being fingered gently. Rape is not just about violence.

Please come discuss feminism with Doom in his anti-feminist rant thread.
I already did post in that thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8754291&postcount=18).

i'm really amazed at how cavalier people are about this. if a young woman passed out and woke to find a man performing oral sex on her, people would understand why she would feel violated by that act. why is it any different for men? contrary to popular stereotypes, there are plenty of straight men with healthy libidos who would prefer not to have strange women performing intimite acts with them while they are unconscious.
It may come down to the old cultural stereotype that women are not meant to enjoy sex.

i'm guessing your a woman.
i dont know any guy who would stop her if no one found out and she didn't have an STD

*raises hand*

plus how do you know if she has an STD or not? it's not like they give scarlet letters out for having them.

Or maybe she was beautiful, be he didn't like being involved in a sex act that he did not consent to?

Christ...should women only cry rape when their attackers are ugly?

I say, this is proof positive that gender equity is being enforced in law there.

Are you a man? Do you know how the male brain works? Are you an expert in male psychology?

I don't want to hear your "equality" crap unless you yourself are a man and know how men think when women are around.

It may come down to the old cultural stereotype that women are not meant to enjoy sex.
You mean they fake?

*raises hand*hmmm...why raising you hand?

That's a joke, right?
No, sarcasm.

hmmm...why raising you hand?

lol - I was trying to say that I would stop someone I didnt know from blowing me if I woke up to it. I guess I coulda been clearer :p

Anyway, this is horrible. She shouldn't have gotten 9 month, she should have gotten 9 years! That's what a man would get, right?

Or maybe she was beautiful, be he didn't like being involved in a sex act that he did not consent to?

Christ...should women only cry rape when their attackers are ugly?

I say, this is proof positive that gender equity is being enforced in law there.
I agree with sinuhue (for the first time)

lol - I was trying to say that I would stop someone I didnt know from blowing me if I woke up to it. I guess I coulda been clearer :pIf you are too drunk you cant stop her...

that is his point. (he must be gay or something...or she may be extremely ugly...or maybe she is his ex-wife...I dont know)

those criminal laws sux..

i guees If the Norway(or any scandinavian) police had arrested the desert vampire, he would be getting "psy-counseling" "social-reeducation"...etc.

boy am I glad he was caugh by the Iranian police...they know how to deal with these criminals.

It works. Jail isn't a horrible place where you get beaten and raped...People come out and can function in society again.

i'm really amazed at how cavalier people are about this. if a young woman passed out and woke to find a man performing oral sex on her, people would understand why she would feel violated by that act. why is it any different for men? contrary to popular stereotypes, there are plenty of straight men with healthy libidos who would prefer not to have strange women performing intimite acts with them while they are unconscious.
I, a straight male, would be opposed if I saw a random woman sucking my dick when I woke up.

Anyway, this is horrible. She shouldn't have gotten 9 month, she should have gotten 9 years! That's what a man would get, right?

No, a man would get a similar sentence.

Anyway, this is horrible. She shouldn't have gotten 9 month, she should have gotten 9 years! That's what a man would get, right?
No, I think a man would have gotten one year. Remember that this is a non-violent case.

No, a man would get a similar sentence.GeneralofG. are you a female?

IMO its easier to debate if I know the genders...

For the record I am a straigh Male.
my backround:I live in northAmerica...and have lived in Europe and LatinAmerica...

..and im no longer a teenager.

No, I think a man would have gotten one year. Remember that this is a non-violent case.
Oh, ok. One year then.

GeneralofG. are you a female?

IMO its easier to debate if I know the genders...

For the record I am a Male.
my backround:I live in northAmerica...and have lived in Europe and LatinAmerica...

..and im no longer a teenager.
I am a 16year old male from USA. I have lived in Ukraine.

I, a straight male, would be opposed if I saw a random woman sucking my dick when I woke up.at 16?
WOW...thou are holier than me :D

GeneralofG. are you a female?

IMO its easier to debate if I know the genders...

For the record I am a Male.
my backround:I live in northAmerica...and have lived in Europe and LatinAmerica...

..and im no longer a teenager.

I'm male.
I live in Iceland (I'm Icelandic), I've lived in Belgium and Denmark.

And I'm not a teenager either.

I'm male.
I live in Iceland (I'm Icelandic), I've lived in Belgium and Denmark.

And I'm not a teenager either.and...would you say "no thanks" ?

at 16?
WOW...thou are holier than me :D
WEll, I am religious.

WEll, I am religious.
I respect that.

and...would you say "no thanks" ?

Most likely I'd say "no thanks". It depends on the situation. If this was a girl I had been hitting on earlier or had my eye on, then probably I wouldn't have objected.
But there are many things we don't know. This guy could have been in a relationship, he might have turned her down at some point before he fell asleep, she might have an STD that he knew about...Who knows?

... she might have an STD that he knew about...i think you canNOT get aIDS that way...

then again they say a lot of things...(e.g. masturbate and you will become blind, etc)

i think you canNOT get aIDS that way...

then again they say a lot of things...(e.g. masturbate and you will become blind, etc)
Not all STDs are AIDS. He could get herpes, for example.

i think you canNOT get aIDS that way...

then again they say a lot of things...(e.g. masturbate and you will become blind, etc)

You can...But it's unlikely.

i'm guessing your a woman.
i dont know any guy who would stop her if no one found out and she didn't have an STD
i quoted this one because of the general attitude not to single out clubhouse

you guys are thinking about SEX not RAPE. to assume that the man woke up to some excellent fellatio is rather naive isnt it?

they didnt give details. it was probably not PLEASANT. that they called it oral sex doesnt mean that it was nice. it may well have been painful or humiliating. it doesnt even mean that he was erect at the time. think of the worst way to wake up with your penis in a womans mouth not the best. thats rape.

or he may just not like being taken advantage of.

so they say...
http://www.aids.org/factSheets/151-Safer-Sex-Guidelines.html#anchor67078

looks like he cant get it that way...

so they say...
http://www.aids.org/factSheets/151-Safer-Sex-Guidelines.html#anchor67078

looks like he cant get it that way...

Ok, but you can still catch some nasty things that way. But that was only one of my points.

What would you do in such a situation?

If it were "penus", then the Latin plural might be "penii", but that's about as close as you'd get.

If it were penus the plural would be peni. It would only be penii if the singular was penius.

If it were penus the plural would be peni. It would only be penii if the singular was penius.

Hmm....

*looks at book*

Correct you are, sir/madam.

Ok, but you can still catch some nasty things that way. But that was only one of my points.

What would you do in such a situation?
same thing he did: put her in jail.

Ok, but you can still catch some nasty things that way. But that was only one of my points.

What would you do in such a situation?
hmmm...I would invite her to a nice breakfast.
...

actually it has happened to me.
exeptionally...I was not pleased because it was a special situation...

Hmm....

*looks at book*

Correct you are, sir/madam.

:) Four years of Latin and sad to say I don't remember much more than that. I wish I'd kept it up.

hmmm...I would invite her to a nice breakfast.

actually it has happened to me.

I was not pleased because it was a special situation...

That case sounds like a special situation too. I think it's impossible to say without knowing more.

Spontaneous fellatio from a beautiful woman never happens to a single lonely male who would appreciate the most. Only people who press charges.

It seems half the people here are having a problem with the idea of a man being raped. It can and it does happen. I know a male that was raped and I was able to stop another one from being raped one night when he was so drunk he couldn't move. Had to pull the chick off and hand her to a friend to hold her until I could drag him out of there. She tired to get the guy I handed her off to.

Males can be tied down, drunk, not as strong in some cases, passed out, etc... Male rape may not happen as often as female rape but it does happen and we need to start being surprised about it and have it acknowledged as fact or women will continue to get away with it. Men that have it happen to them are less likely to speak of it because of the stereotypes and assumptions around it, but it occurs.

All it should take is saying no. Even if the equipment is ready and willing it does not mean the person is.