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This "man" insults American troops, calls them leeches and scumbags..

Neat!

I'm glad to see Freedom of Speech is still in effect.

http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml

This "man" insults American troops, calls them leeches and scumbags..

Why is it ok for *you* to give out about *his* ideas, but not ok for *him* to give out about yours?

Free speech works both ways. It is people like *you* who are disgusting - you want only *your* opinions to be heard.

By all means criticise this man and his site - please do, that's what free speech is for. But do *not* impugn his right to hold and express those opinions.

This "man" insults American troops, calls them leeches and scumbags..
So why exactly are you promoting his website for him?

While I support free speech (and glad to see it's alive and well...) and I'm against the US occupation of other countries, as well as the War in Iraq, I have to say that his wording is quite nasty. He could have been a lot more tactful. This sounds like purely infantile ranting.

Funny, the link gets posted here and that guy gets a load of more clicks... clever... not.

I certainly don't agree with that sentiment, but...

'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,' .
S. G. Tallentyre, referring to Voltaire. Often attributed to Voltaire.

So why exactly are you promoting his website for him?
Masochism. Definitely masochism...

I find that guy's site amusing though. I've seen 5 year old who can argue better and more logic than him. See him as the example of the slacking school systems in the west and as proof for fastfood killing your braincells.

That's the good thing about dictatorships, fools like that end up in a camp *cough*

Masochism. Definitely masochism...


It allows him to feel persecuted.

The funny part of it - especially the sites where vets etc are giving out abou that page - is that US soldiers take an oath to defend the constitution.

That constitution guarantees freedom of expression.

The funny part of it - especially the sites where vets etc are giving out abou that page - is that US soldiers take an oath to defend the constitution.


Heh ... well any combat vet would not be bothered by his page. We smile with a smug sense of knowing that he wouldn't be able to have that page without those of us who served.

I'm not offended in the slightest. I fought for people's right to do such things and everyone who's been in my boots has done the same. Frankly, while I don't applaud the page, I applaud the fact that it exists.

That's one of the shittiest sites I've ever seen. I mean, if I was to make such a propaganda website, then I'd do at least some decent html coding and make some decent graphics, but this is hilarious. That thing looks worse than my first website rofl.

I find this guy kinda funny. I mean... think over it. He's paying for that thing. I think that's the reason why he's whining about the army salary. Maybe if he would get paid in such "huge" ammounts, then he'd be able to afford a better website.

What a waste of money and time... he needs a life, or get laid or something... Maybe a job...

EDIT: Now I'm wondering how frustrated someone has to be with his life in order to make something like that... oioioi...

http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml

This "man" insults American troops, calls them leeches and scumbags..

The site didn't load...I feel robbed.

It reads like satire. I'm curious to know just how much of it is satire.

Hell, it's funny like satire, classic "Blame the troops" diatribe, presented in its most aggressive and horrific form. It forces the reader to either subscribe to the notion that a bunch of barely-paid 18 year olds who didn't know what to do after high school are literally "the scum of the earth"....or else understand that these young people are the horribly misused tools of the state, vital, yet tragic.

Faced with the facts, that indeed many troops are on food stamps, how can we condemn them? They are not greedy, many serve without ever seeing combat, and those that do are compensated for the loss of life, limb or mind with paltry monetary allowances.

To show the horrible outcomes that so many soldiers reach and denounce them still...its simply inhuman. The website doesn't terrify me partially because I cannot actually grasp the full implications that the gleeful joy of death that this website espouses. Its beyond my ken to think that someone could wish someone so young so much pain.

Hardly the barbaric, money-grubbing scumbags the site purports them to be, which I wonder if that's not the point. Deep satire, truly deep satire, is sureal, almost too close to reality to be thought of as satire. This website scrapes the very bottom reaches of our phsyce, and forces people to either side with those who hate and hate, or to wake up and moderate.

We smile with a smug sense of knowing that he wouldn't be able to have that page without those of us who served.
Because without you the US would have been overrun by evil dictators that would have banned free speech? Pray tell me, when did such a situation arise during your term of service?

Because without you the US would have been overrun by evil dictators that would have banned free speech? Pray tell me, when did such a situation arise during your term of service?

That's not the point. However, if you've not served, you'd never get the point. So don't worry about it.

RECENT CHANGE: Because of the ignorant actions of a few, who can't express their opinions without obscenity, insults, and disrespect, the message board requires that you register to read or post.

Right, fair point and all but then there's...

Two entertaining photos for your amusement..an injured US soldier being carried away like the candy-ass punk he is, and a dead US scumbag (aka member of the US military) who will now probably cost the taxpayers money for many years to come. Witness here!

and...

Number of US soldiers killed in the Iraq War, of their own doing, because they CHOSE to be leeches: 1,568. These scumbags deserved what they got.


That doesn't quite fit somehow...

That's not the point. However, if you've not served, you'd never get the point. So don't worry about it.
You implicate that soldiers know per se more than others, on which i call bs. Really, it is a very simple question: When did you actively defend the freedom of speech in your role as a soldier? Either you did or you should take back that claim.

That's not the point. However, if you've not served, you'd never get the point. So don't worry about it.


No, that *is* the point.

That is what inspires such vehement dislike of the US military - there *is* no threat to its freedoms, and yet *still* with the bullishness.

When did you, having served, actually defend the US from such a threat?

You implicate that soldiers know per se more than others, on which i call bs. Really, it is a very simple question: When did you actively defend the freedom of speech in your role as a soldier? Either you did or you should take back that claim.

Every moment I served I defended Freedom of Speech. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance ... not just "now and then in a forum" vigilance. Every moment of every day from the time they step off that bus to the moment they're handed their discharge papers, soldiers actively defend Freedom of Speech. It's something you will not, can not, and will refuse to understand.

There are knowledges and experiences that soldiers have which non-soldiers will never have. Call BS all you want, but all kinds of people have knowledges and experiences you'll never have.

That is what inspires such vehement dislike of the US military - there *is* no threat to its freedoms, and yet *still* with the bullishness.


There is always a threat. Remember the movie Men In Black when K says to J, "There's always an intergalactic battlecruiser, or alien plague, or whatever trying to destroy the Earth. The only way these people go about their day to day lives is that they do not know about it!"

It's sort of like that. The reason we stand guard is to ensure the eternal vigilance in defense of freedom.

Go ahead, though. Get lazy. The US did it once before and guess what happened on a pleasant autumn morning? Go right ahead and believe there's no threat to America, though. I hope that serves you well.

However, you should know that there are plenty of direct internal threats to your freedoms. You're lucky, though, because soldiers swear an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign *and* domestic.

Someone else will take care of it for you. Go back to your Playstation and American Idol.

No, you were ready to defend the freedom of speech, but never had to. That is a big frigging difference. And do give me that "you wont know"-crap, as you might know Germany has mandatory service in the army (15 month in my time), i did my service and sworn on my flag as well. But i am equally or even more vigilliant as a civillian now, because i am allowed to form my own oppinions and act upon them instead of following stricter guidelines or orders.

The site seems intent on provoking rage in those that disagree. I bet there are a million like it. Dont fall for it-its a juvenile attempt at best. If you dont agree, you can start a website praising and encouraging support for our troops. You have the same opporotunity to make yourself heard as this individual does.

No, you were ready to defend the freedom of speech, but never had to. That is a big frigging difference. And do give me that "you wont know"-crap, as you might know Germany has mandatory service in the army (15 month in my time), i did my service and sworn on my flag as well. But i am equally or even more vigilliant as a civillian now, because i am allowed to form my own oppinions and act upon them instead of following stricter guidelines or orders.

Mandatory does not equal Voluntary.

Sworn to a Flag does not equal Sworn to the Constitution.

Germany does not equal the United States.

Whether you like it or not, it doesn't not equate.

Mandatory does not equal Voluntary.

Sworn to a Flag does not equal Sworn to the Constitution.

Germany does not equal the United States.

Whether you like it or not, it doesn't not equate.

Its not like i am comparing apples to oranges here, but rather Golden Delicious to Granny Smith. The flag is the symbol of the state, while in the actual oath the recruits mention the constitution among other things.
I conclude that, besides big words and telling me off for not having served, later not having served voluntarily and not in the US, you did never actively defend the freedom of speech. Did it even come under threat while you were doing service?

Its not like i am comparing apples to oranges here, but rather Golden Delicious to Granny Smith. The flag is the symbol of the state, while in the actual oath the recruits mention the constitution among other things.
I conclude that, besides big words and telling me off for not having served, later not having served voluntarily and not in the US, you did never actively defend the freedom of speech. Did it even come under threat while you were doing service?

Pink Lady are the best.

I agree with Jester here. The US hasn't ever been under threat of being taken over. You can't say 9/11 is anything like that. There was no takeover attempt, ust a horrible terrorist attack. Now please tell us all a time when the US was under threat of takeover.

Now please tell us all a time when the US was under threat of takeover.

The US is constantly under threat. There's always some third world dictator or whack job with a little money threatening the US. Always.

If you haven't seen it, you're blind.

The reason it hasn't happened is because we have the best, most vigilant, and well trained military the world has ever seen. The threat, however, is always there.

Cripes ... I know there are other US Veterans on these forums ... back me up, will ya?

Cripes ... I know there are other US Veterans on these forums ... back me up, will ya?

I'm not a vet, and never will be (asthma being an auto-DQ), but I understand your point entirely.
There is always a threat against US interests somewhere in the world. And preventing a war is always preferable to fighting a war, thus it is part of global strategy. So, part of the duty of the US soldier is putting yourself in a threatening situation (for instance, the Korean border) and intimidating the enemy to the point where he does not wish to attack.

The US is constantly under threat. There's always some third world dictator or whack job with a little money threatening the US. Always.
Afraid Fidel might take over? ;)

The US is constantly under threat. There's always some third world dictator or whack job with a little money threatening the US. Always.

If you haven't seen it, you're blind.

The reason it hasn't happened is because we have the best, most vigilant, and well trained military the world has ever seen. The threat, however, is always there.

Cripes ... I know there are other US Veterans on these forums ... back me up, will ya?

OMGZORZ! T3H ARMY OF MOZAMBIQUE AM ATTACKING!!!

I agree with Keruvalia and Lokiaa... Just because he did not actually fight to protect it, doesn't mean he and other military personnel are NOT protecting it.

Remember the old slogan... "The best defense is a good offense"?
Not only that... but, Keruvalia,'s first post in here he said "we" not "I". He was speaking for all who have served in the military. All who served in the military are protecting their country, whether or not they actually HAVE to fight in a war, doesn't matter. :rolleyes:

The US is constantly under threat. There's always some third world dictator or whack job with a little money threatening the US. Always.

If you haven't seen it, you're blind.

The reason it hasn't happened is because we have the best, most vigilant, and well trained military the world has ever seen. The threat, however, is always there.

Cripes ... I know there are other US Veterans on these forums ... back me up, will ya?


You're backed up. Not only do we have the best, most vigilant and well trained army, but we have RESOLVE.
The threat is always there. The standard of living and quality of life in the US has made it a target for many. We have enemies in our country right now, putting the pieces in place-taking full advantage of our freedoms-to try to strike another blow against us or extort us. Foreign goverments may support them, bogus charities certainly support many.
Look at how devious and patient the plans were to blow up the World Trade Center in the 90's,then successfully on 9/11. Our enemies are motivated, well funded, cunning and PATIENT. Not only does our military need to be vigilant, our police & FBI must also as do all of our citzens. If you want to keep this life-style, that is.

There is always a threat against US interests somewhere in the world.
I understand your viewpoint, but that wouldnt be the same as someone actually attacking the homeland in order to completely take it over and take away your freedom of speech.

Keruvalia, this is not about belittling your service and dedication, but i rather cant see any threat that would take your rights away.

Look at how devious and patient the plans were to blow up the World Trade Center in the 90's,then successfully on 9/11. Our enemies are motivated, well funded, cunning and PATIENT. Not only does our military need to be vigilant, our police & FBI must also as do all of our citzens. If you want to keep this life-style, that is.
How did 9/11 in any way threaten your basic right to free speech? No terrorist attack can take that away, only a full overthrowing of the current structures could achieve that.

Afraid Fidel might take over? ;)



If we let our guard down enough, he may certainly take a stab at us. All of our enemies are constantly watching how we do things, evaluating our strengths and weaknesses. Testing our intellegence,or lack thereof.
Foreign nations are currently counterfeiting our currency. There are probably a dozen or better foreign nations that would jump immediately at a chance to cripple us.
I'll never forget two days after 9/11, reporters interviewing people in Europe-most declared their outrage at the horrible attack. there were also several who had the balls to say what they thought-they actually said that we "had it coming". So-even among our "allies", there is a degree of simmering undercurrent against us.

How did 9/11 in any way threaten your basic right to free speech? No terrorist attack can take that away, only a full overthrowing of the current structures could achieve that.

No-a hundred 9/11s wont take away our free speech. I was addressing the fact that we need to be ever vigilant against everyone else.

I'm not a vet, and never will be (asthma being an auto-DQ), but I understand your point entirely.
There is always a threat against US interests somewhere in the world. And preventing a war is always preferable to fighting a war, thus it is part of global strategy. So, part of the duty of the US soldier is putting yourself in a threatening situation (for instance, the Korean border) and intimidating the enemy to the point where he does not wish to attack.

A "threat to US interests" is not a threat to the US. It is not a threat to US freedoms, and it is *definitely* not a threat to freedom of expression.

A "threat to US interests" is not a threat to the US. It is not a threat to US freedoms, and it is *definitely* not a threat to freedom of expression.

In a way it is. If someone threatens your car, then they are threatening to take away your freedom to drive or, at least, make it very inconvenient for you to do so.

Afraid Fidel might take over? ;)

Afraid? No.
Prepared? Yes.

I was addressing the fact that we need to be ever vigilant against everyone else.
Some might call that paranoia... ;)
I have never i my life been afraid of someone attacking my country and destroying my way of life. And i live in a country that has a fraction of the power the US has, is surrounded by severeal countries that harboured at least some resentment against my nation in the recent past, have armies that might even have successfully invade us etc. Am i careless and oblivious? I think not, i am just aware that the likelyhood of having to fight a war of defense is rather low and that this fact does not stem from our military might.

The US is constantly under threat. There's always some third world dictator or whack job with a little money threatening the US. Always.

If you haven't seen it, you're blind.

The reason it hasn't happened is because we have the best, most vigilant, and well trained military the world has ever seen. The threat, however, is always there.

Cripes ... I know there are other US Veterans on these forums ... back me up, will ya?

I'm not a vet, but I'll back you up.

If we didn't have the brave men and women who volunteer to uphold our Constitution and fight for our rights, we would've lost them long ago. Simply by being a (very imposing) presence, our soldiers protect us. Even when fighting in a conflict we do not agree with, the soldiers are there, upholding our laws.

I have very little respect for the higher ups in government, but I have nothing but respect for those (save some less savory individuals) who join the armed forces.

Keruvalia, this is not about belittling your service and dedication, but i rather cant see any threat that would take your rights away.

Of course you can't. And that is a direct result of the fact that we have a strong military.

Don't be so myopic.

A "threat to US interests" is not a threat to the US. It is not a threat to US freedoms, and it is *definitely* not a threat to freedom of expression.
An attack on US interests means a weakened US...which is just the first step on the path to the fall of it.

Some might call that paranoia... ;)
I have never i my life been afraid of someone attacking my country and destroying my way of life. And i live in a country that has a fraction of the power the US has, is surrounded by severeal countries that harboured at least some resentment against my nation in the recent past, have armies that might even have successfully invade us etc. Am i careless and oblivious? I think not, i am just aware that the likelyhood of having to fight a war of defense is rather low and that this fact does not stem from our military might.


Most are aware its the truth. A measure of "paranoia" is ok. Its really more vigilance and steadfast resolve.

.info? The loser couldn't even get a .com, .net or even a .tk? Not even a page that actually loads? :p

By all means criticise this man and his site - please do, that's what free speech is for. But do *not* impugn his right to hold and express those opinions.
When did TROUSRS "impugn" his right to hold and express his opinions?

If we let our guard down enough, he may certainly take a stab at us.

Cuba.

Could invade the USA.

Right.

Cuba.

Could invade the USA.

Right.


No one said invade. Would Castro support terrorists against the US? Its likely. Would Castro's navy have its way with US commerce/boats in international waters? Its likely. Would Castro allow a US enemy to make a it's military base on Cuban soil? I'm sure he would. It wouldnt be long before Iran or China had naval bases there.
No-Cuba wouldnt invade the US, but they would make a valuable stepping stone towards someone else's efforts.

No one said invade. Would Castro support terrorists against the US? Its likely. Would Castro's navy have its way with US commerce/boats in international waters? Its likely. Would Castro allow a US enemy to make a it's military base on Cuban soil? I'm sure he would. It wouldnt be long before Iran or China had naval bases there.
No-Cuba wouldnt invade the US, but they would make a valuable stepping stone towards someone else's efforts.

But the argument was that you would be invaded and thus lose freedom of speech.

Helping an enemy stoll does'nt destroy fredom of speech rights. Only USA can do that. And God help us if they do.

.info? The loser couldn't even get a .com, .net or even a .tk? Not even a page that actually loads? :p
What browser do you use? Mine takes about a sec and its there.

An attack on US interests means a weakened US...which is just the first step on the path to the fall of it.

Then how, pray tell, does the UK still exist?

How, pray tell, does Spain still exist?

How, pray tell, do *any* of the democratic societies around the globe with a history of terrorist attacks against them - many to a *far* greater extent than the US - still exist?

As the law lords put it in a recent decision here in the UK, it isn't terrorism that threatens our society, but our *reaction* to it. Paranoia and fear represent a distinct victory for terrorism.

http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml

This "man" insults American troops, calls them leeches and scumbags..

Good for him. I hope he gets a giant enema in the future.

No one said invade. Would Castro support terrorists against the US? Its likely. Would Castro's navy have its way with US commerce/boats in international waters? Its likely. Would Castro allow a US enemy to make a it's military base on Cuban soil? I'm sure he would. It wouldnt be long before Iran or China had naval bases there.
No-Cuba wouldnt invade the US, but they would make a valuable stepping stone towards someone else's efforts.

Know how to avoid that?

Stop pissing Castro off.

Simple. No bullish military involved - that means better international relations, and a much healthier bottom line.

In a way it is. If someone threatens your car, then they are threatening to take away your freedom to drive or, at least, make it very inconvenient for you to do so.

Now you're grasping at straws.

Stealing my car doesn't reduce my ability to drive. It reduces my *capacity* to drive - in the same way that not owning a gigantic aerial reduces my capacity to make radio broadcasts.

To condemn the troops over the Iraq War is no different than to condemn the 9/11 dead over 9/11 or to condemn the Vietnam vets over Vietnam. Argue what you will; those who died in 9/11 didn't deserve it, and those who served in Vietnam did not deserve to be booed, spit on, and have stuff thrown at them when they returned. Of course some will argue otherwise...I hear plenty of arguments about how the U.S. deserved 9/11 and how the people who died were legitimate targets, and of course we all know about the atrocities such as My Lai committed in Vietnam. That doesn't mean that every American soldier or citizen is responsible for any aspect of U.S. foreign policy. The entire U.S. military/citizenry did not cause the Guantanamo Bay incidents, the Abu Ghraib torture, the My Lai massacre, the refusal to intervene in Rwanda, etc. Select individuals did. To argue that every American - even children, non-voting felons, old folks who have always been poor, recent immigrants - is responsible for this is insane. Sadly, many people believe it.

That said, censorship of stupidity is still censorship, We all know what this guy's saying is inane. There's no need to send the Department of Homeland Security after him, though.

To condemn the troops over the Iraq War is no different than to condemn the 9/11 dead over 9/11 or to condemn the Vietnam vets over Vietnam. Argue what you will; those who died in 9/11 didn't deserve it, and those who served in Vietnam did not deserve to be booed, spit on, and have stuff thrown at them when they returned.

And it would be insane to argue otherwise - that's why nobody here has.


Of course some will argue otherwise...I hear plenty of arguments about how the U.S. deserved 9/11 and how the people who died were legitimate targets, and of course we all know about the atrocities such as My Lai committed in Vietnam. That doesn't mean that every American soldier or citizen is responsible for any aspect of U.S. foreign policy. The entire U.S. military/citizenry did not cause the Guantanamo Bay incidents, the Abu Ghraib torture, the My Lai massacre, the refusal to intervene in Rwanda, etc. Select individuals did.

Why should that only be a one-way tolerance?

Why is Joe Public USA off limits but Joe Public Afghanistan not? Why is it ok for the US to attack a *country* in response to the actions of individuals?



To argue that every American - even children, non-voting felons, old folks who have always been poor, recent immigrants - is responsible for this is insane. Sadly, many people believe it.

The same goes for those outside the US - many Americans believe that foreign nations are legitimate targets for US retaliation. That's insane.



That said, censorship of stupidity is still censorship, We all know what this guy's saying is inane. There's no need to send the Department of Homeland Security after him, though.

Absolutely. Otherwise, the enemy has won. You cannot protect free speech by constraining it.

FYI,

Soldiers protect freedom of speech just as the police protect the citizens in the cities..

It is called deterent.

Example.

you are speeding on the highway doing 25mph more than the limit allows. You see a police car up ahead. You automatically slow down so you do not get the speeding ticket.

It is the same with the military. If someone or somegroup was thinking about curtailing our rights to free speech, or any other rights, they think twice about it because our military is ever present.

And someday when that group make the wrong decision. The US military will be there to stop them.

Some might call that paranoia... ;)
I have never i my life been afraid of someone attacking my country and destroying my way of life. And i live in a country that has a fraction of the power the US has, is surrounded by severeal countries that harboured at least some resentment against my nation in the recent past, have armies that might even have successfully invade us etc. Am i careless and oblivious? I think not, i am just aware that the likelyhood of having to fight a war of defense is rather low and that this fact does not stem from our military might.

I used to think that way. But then 9/11 happened, and I stopped being quite so oblivious and paying attention. My father worked two blocks away, you see. I've never had a more harrowing five hours than the time it took me to connect to his boss' cell phone, what with the cell tower on the WTC knocked out. It turned out that he, my uncle and my 80 year old grandfather had to walk in emergency gas masks the four miles uptown to get out of the danger zone, surrounded by a cloud of burning ash.

It's still sort of surreal to me, even now. Unless you've actually been in a city where such an event has happened (not just 9/11 specifically), it's hard to understand how terrifiying it can be to suddenly have your world turned on its head. So no, I don't think the US is currently at much risk for a hostile takeover. No, I don't think we're going to be invaded and conquered and have all our rights taken away. But do I think that anything is possible, and that a military is a beneficial and necessary thing? Yes. I happen to strongly dislike our current military leaders, and the way they are being used, but I support the military itself and especially the people in it. There is a large difference between the people fighting and the people organizing- it's not the troops in Iraq who started the war.

How did 9/11 in any way threaten your basic right to free speech? No terrorist attack can take that away, only a full overthrowing of the current structures could achieve that.

You think so? The recent changes in the laws of the United States regarding 'security' could be construed as limiting speech, freedom, and right to privacy. It wouldn't take terribly much to see a gradual Orwellian turn for the worse.

That said, I'm glad the services' oath talks about taking care of domestic threats, too. ;)

http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml

This "man" insults American troops, calls them leeches and scumbags..
I agree that it's disgusting, but his right to say what he thinks ( if you can dignify his diatribes as "thought" ) is protected by the Constitution and by the very people he rails against. Kind of like on NS General, yes? :)

You think so? The recent changes in the laws of the United States regarding 'security' could be construed as limiting speech, freedom, and right to privacy. It wouldn't take terribly much to see a gradual Orwellian turn for the worse.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but bullcrap! There's more danger that some sort of "religious orientation litmus test" for politicians and bureaucrats be instituted than it is that fundamental rights guranteed in the Constitution will be limited by security concerns. If either of those were to happen, I would take up arms again myself!

You and others who suggest this seem to forget that:

1. The impetus toward freedom is ingrained in the American psyche;

2. There has been no discernable change in the degree of freedom in the US since 911.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but bullcrap! There's more danger that some sort of "religious orientation litmus test" for politicians and bureaucrats be instituted than it is that fundamental rights guranteed in the Constitution will be limited by security concerns. If either of those were to happen, I would take up arms again myself!

You and others who suggest this seem to forget that:

1. The impetus toward freedom is ingrained in the American psyche;

2. There has been no discernable change in the degree of freedom in the US since 911.


Um, I dunno... the Patriot Act and the Fourth Amendment seem to be in conflict to me. You know, the whole search without warrant....

I don't say it's being abused -- I say it has the potential for being abused as it is worded. Big difference.

It allows him to feel persecuted.

The funny part of it - especially the sites where vets etc are giving out abou that page - is that US soldiers take an oath to defend the constitution.

That constitution guarantees freedom of expression.

...and my freedom to tar and feather traitors like him.

hehe

actually, i think the penalty for treason or sedition is death.

Some might call that paranoia... ;)

Just cuz you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. ;)

I have never i my life been afraid of someone attacking my country and destroying my way of life.

Neither have I ... but it's best to be prepared, just in case.

Know how to avoid that?

Stop pissing Castro off.


Okie dokie, Neville Chamberlain.

Why is it ok for *you* to give out about *his* ideas, but not ok for *him* to give out about yours?

Free speech works both ways. It is people like *you* who are disgusting - you want only *your* opinions to be heard.

By all means criticise this man and his site - please do, that's what free speech is for. But do *not* impugn his right to hold and express those opinions.

Okay, so, this person expressing his opinion on how this other person is disgusting for insulting people is somehow interfering with their right too express an opinion.

He's not saying that this guy has no right to express this opinion. He's saying that this person is disgusting for expressing it and I happen to agree. I mean, this fellow has nothing but negative things to say. If he was a little more constructive and maybe considered what good the soldiers were doing as supposed to concentrating on the bad and then saying they get what they deserve when they die...maybe I would not have the same opinion.

How did 9/11 in any way threaten your basic right to free speech? No terrorist attack can take that away, only a full overthrowing of the current structures could achieve that.
the patriot act is a nasty piece of legislation,we are going to lose some rights over that pos bill.chalk one up for the terr's.
they can now bypass judicial warrants to bug our phones.

I find it so amusing that we all see the title "This is disgusting" and we still go in the thread.

Not only do we go in the thread, but many click the link......



Why? :confused:

I like that from reading the original most of us thinks that the poster want the creator of this site shut down. I don't personally see that at all. He simple is saying he doesn't like it. And adds a link so you can see what he dislikes and maybe you mite agree with him.

Now a second point that is discussed is that the military does not in effect protect the constitution or our free speech. I think thats absurd personally and its fine if you disagree. But a country with no real military or military protection if your lucky like Japan can not protect anything that it's country stands for. What i'm saying is that if we didn't have a military we wouldn't be here and have the political power to incourage free speech and other ideas around the world. This is also true of many countries of the world.

I understand your viewpoint, but that wouldnt be the same as someone actually attacking the homeland in order to completely take it over and take away your freedom of speech.

Keruvalia, this is not about belittling your service and dedication, but i rather cant see any threat that would take your rights away.


The only reason no one can see people taking our rights away is because our military is so strong. Plain and simple we don't think anyone has the will or power to over throw american military.

I clicked on the link and was dissappointed. It takes a lot more than that to disgust me.

I will say that the site is a bit of a failure though. I think it's satire, personally.

I find it so amusing that we all see the title "This is disgusting" and we still go in the thread.

Not only do we go in the thread, but many click the link......



Why? :confused:
Because I'm curious about what others see as discusting...also u know someone is upset, and expressed an opinion, many others follow (ussualy more interesting)...
and there u have my say. :)

How, pray tell, do *any* of the democratic societies around the globe with a history of terrorist attacks against them - many to a *far* greater extent than the US - still exist?

1. I wasn't referring directly to terrorists, but to a general threat.
2. Due to the fact that terrorists are CONSTANTLY under attack, being surveyed, and because terrorists are generally weak orginizations to begin with.
3. World Powers do not fall in epic battles. They have their power chipped away over time.
I see the British Empire did not surive two wars with Germany, or Gandhi, or revolts in Africa, or...etc.
I see the US hegemony has survived. Courtesy of American troops preventing the spread of communism to South Korea, Greece, Turkey, Latin America, and Taiwan.


Know how to avoid that?

Stop pissing Castro off.

Simple. No bullish military involved - that means better international relations, and a much healthier bottom line.

:rolleyes: Of course, Cuba wouldn't invade the World's Greatest Economic power when it is defenseless because he's just a good guy!
A good guy who runs his country into the ground...

I will say that the site is a bit of a failure though. I think it's satire, personally.
The pictures with the 'pwned' and the 'Shoot Back!' section looked like they were crossing the line from vehement idiocy into demented attempts at humour. The site does seem satirical in some parts.

Okie dokie, Neville Chamberlain.

Castro isn't quite the new Hitler.

The only reason no one can see people taking our rights away is because our military is so strong. Plain and simple we don't think anyone has the will or power to over throw american military.

Vietcong.

Vietcong.

The Vietcong didn't even come close to overthrowing the American military. The US just pulled out of the war.