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[The vaccine would be similar] to the current nationwide Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccination program. Childhood immunization would protect adults from the euphoria experienced by users, making drugs such as heroin and cocaine pointless to take.

Scary stuff. Discuss below.

I believe it's really a justification for crackhead scientists to get paid to take drugs. Similarly with those who will actually be testing the drug's effects, it is a major racket, which I wish I had thought up before.

Then again, I don't know many with the credentials to get funding/supplies for it legitimately, but it'd have made a brilliant Masters Thesis for Sam.

I'm having a tough time caring right now.

The article claimed the scheme would function "similarly to the current nationwide Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccination program. Childhood immunization would protect adults from the euphoria experienced by users, making drugs such as heroin and cocaine pointless to take."
Neurology is far from specific. If it's at all effective, then it would destroy the child's receptiveness to legal drugs, like tobacco and alcohol, and prescription psychoactive medication. The loss of revenue from taxed drugs, plus the ensuing uselessness of medication for psychiatric disorders, would be too ridiculous. Also, up until the mid-1970's, many gay people in North America were "treated" for their "condition" with ...sterilization Sterilization? Why? Sounds like some doctor failed undergrad anatomy. "Your baby gerbil is dead."

What a good idea. I wonder how that other vaccine that removes all individual thought and deviant expressiveness is coming along?

What a good idea. I wonder how that vaccine that removes free thought and deviant expressiveness is coming along?

I hear the Republicans have invested millions in it.

*ducks*

just the thought is scary as hell

I hear the Republicans have invested millions in it.

*ducks*

THOUGHTCRIME!! Thinkpol will come for you shortly. You will become an unperson.

THOUGHTCRIME!! Thinkpol will come for you shortly. You will become an unperson.

Hah! The joke's on them!

*implodes*

Hah! The joke's on them!

*implodes*

Potty! I'm sick of you imploding/exploding everywhere. It's such a mess. Think of the person who has to clean it up!

id laugh oh so hard if the kid got addicted to the injection :sniper:

Thats interesting though strange.

I hope to god that never happens

Potty! I'm sick of you imploding/exploding everywhere. It's such a mess. Think of the person who has to clean it up!

But when I implode, see, it's as if I've been sucked into a black hole... Without the black hole.

See, I was thinking of the people this time!

Wouldn't subliminal messaging hidden in all our entertainment media work better? Or is that already being used for other social 'diseases'?

Wouldn't subliminal messaging hidden in all our entertainment media work better? Or is that already being used for other social 'diseases'?
The fight against Queers is taking up too much tv time.

I suspect it is much more likely to see use in rehab as a means to help people come off drugs. I can't really see it being used in a large scale innoculation type programme.

Wont this neutralise the effects of morphine (in the heroin group) and codein (in the cocaine group) both of which are rather useful. Seems pointless.

What's the problem with this? Although I support the legalisation of heroin and cocaine, they are terrible drugs that I wish no-one would take.

Wont this neutralise the effects of morphine (in the heroin group) and codein (in the cocaine group) both of which are rather useful. Seems pointless.And Novacaine, and Lydocaine, and so much else...

And Novacaine, and Lydocaine, and so much else...
Doesn't it just take away the feeling of euphoria?

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4191.html



Scary stuff. Discuss below.

Sorry, I'd rather teach my children to think for themselves and make their own choices. This is the parenting equivalent of plunking your kid down infront of the tv and expecting Barney to teach him real world job skills.

Sorry, I'd rather teach my children to think for themselves and make their own choices. This is the parenting equivalent of plunking your kid down infront of the tv and expecting Barney to teach him real world job skills.
What if they choose to jump off a cliff?

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Cooool ... cannabis culture. I have followed with interest the many adventures of Marc and his bunch. I even used to be a heavy regular on the forums.

Doesn't it just take away the feeling of euphoria?Devil's advocate, since they haven't even started researching yet*- We'll assume they can develop an innoculation that removes the euphoria without removing the anaesthetic effect. Isn't that why people get addicted to painkillers anyway? For which, cocaine is far more effective than anything but Morphine, and it's easier to get ahold of than that.

* is why I ain't answering your question directly.

In drugs like morphine, and most strong narcotics like Phentanyl, Oxicodone, the pain killing aspect or opiods is to buzz you out enough not care about the pain. There are much better drugs that work directly on stopping the pain without any euphoric side effect. But there are lot of people out there who self-medicate for things like depression or mania.

I have trouble accepting the idea of an "antieuphoric innoculation* Thats like cutting off your nose to spite your face. This is a deadly serious neurological and psychological prodcedure here. Mandating an invasive psychological treatment at a very young age? Thats frightening. I guess the Nazi's won afterall, Jah? The logic behind an anti-euphoria vaccination is the kind of the Goebels, Hess, Himmler or even Hitler himself would have been proud of.
Instead of Gas Chambers, we'd like to offer to remvove your hapiness while you are still but an innocent child.

For our next trick we will remove your teenagers brain and insert a one-size-fits-all brain grown to the specifications set by the government. These brains are much smaller and sleeker than the old model, but without certain troublesome features like "Euphoria" , "basic human rights" and "decision making" that plagued the older model.

Doesn't it just take away the feeling of euphoria?

Since the drugs work by receptors that already exist in the brain and PNS, you would be taking away ALL euphoria. No more natural highs. No more pleasure. No more orgasms for that matter. You would also be blocking endogenous opiods--no more downward blockage of pain. Instead stubbing your toe will probably cause enough pain to knock you out.

But its all worth it to prevent a few people from using Heroin.

What if they choose to jump off a cliff?
Then you're a shitty parent, and have failed. But at the same time, you can't just load them up on lithium and remove all bad choices from their view.

You're raising a kid, not a robot.

Since the drugs work by receptors that already exist in the brain and PNS, you would be taking away ALL euphoria. No more natural highs. No more pleasure. No more orgasms for that matter. You would also be blocking endogenous opiods--no more downward blockage of pain. Instead stubbing your toe will probably cause enough pain to knock you out.

But its all worth it to prevent a few people from using Heroin.

No it isn't. What kind of moron are you? [I realise you were being sarcastic]

I wasn't saying I support this. I was just asking a question yet you all assumed otherwise. If this thing took away all feeling of euphoria, not just those derived from drugs, then ofcourse it would be terrible. If, and only if, this were a simple procedure [1 injection] that could prevent people from experiencing the positive aspects of illegal drugs without any other side effects, could this idea even be considered for discussion. Perhaps if this were a temporary inoculation, lasting only 5-10 years, it would be more acceptable.

Then you're a shitty parent, and have failed. But at the same time, you can't just load them up on lithium and remove all bad choices from their view.

You're raising a kid, not a robot.

So you can tell and teach you kids what is wrong but you can't phyiscally stop them from doing it?

No it isn't. What kind of moron are you? [I realise you were being sarcastic]

I wasn't saying I support this. I was just asking a question yet you all assumed otherwise. If this thing took away all feeling of euphoria, not just those derived from drugs, then ofcourse it would be terrible. If, and only if, this were a simple procedure [1 injection] that could prevent people from experiencing the positive aspects of illegal drugs without any other side effects, could this idea even be considered for discussion. Perhaps if this were a temporary inoculation, lasting only 5-10 years, it would be more acceptable.


If and only if it took away the euphoria associated with illegal drugs and affected NOTHING else, then maybe I would consider it for discussion. However, that's pretty much an impossibility for the reasons I've already stated--so any discussion into it is just an exercise in theory.

So you can tell and teach you kids what is wrong but you can't phyiscally stop them from doing it?
If you don't like your kids watching TV, you explain why they can't watch it and make discipline them if they do so anyway. You don't inject them with a vaccine that deprives them of pleasure from watching TV.

No it isn't. What kind of moron are you? [I realise you were being sarcastic]

I wasn't saying I support this. I was just asking a question yet you all assumed otherwise. If this thing took away all feeling of euphoria, not just those derived from drugs, then ofcourse it would be terrible. If, and only if, this were a simple procedure [1 injection] that could prevent people from experiencing the positive aspects of illegal drugs without any other side effects, could this idea even be considered for discussion. Perhaps if this were a temporary inoculation, lasting only 5-10 years, it would be more acceptable.
Wouldn't it make more sense to work on a vaccine that removed all the negaive aspects of illegal drugs?

If you don't like your kids watching TV, you explain why they can't watch it and make discipline them if they do so anyway. You don't inject them with a vaccine that deprives them of pleasure from watching TV.I agree. What if they like to bash themselves in the head with said TV and conventional discipline doesn't work?

If and only if it took away the euphoria associated with illegal drugs and affected NOTHING else, then maybe I would consider it for discussion. However, that's pretty much an impossibility for the reasons I've already stated--so any discussion into it is just an exercise in theory. That's exactly what I was saying. Like exactly.

Wouldn't it make more sense to work on a vaccine that removed all the negaive aspects of illegal drugs?

Ofcourse but much more difficult. They could also work on making drugs without negative aspects and negate the need for a vaccine all together.

I agree. What if they like to bash themselves in the head with said TV and conventional discipline doesn't work?
Rope.

Rope.
Rope?

Rope?
If they bash themselves in the head with the TV, tie them up so they can no longer do so. It stops the problem and leaves no long lasting after effects. Well ropeburn, but that heals pretty quick.

If they bash themselves in the head with the TV, tie them up so they can no longer do so. It stops the problem and leaves no long lasting after effects. Well ropeburn, but that heals pretty quick.

Lol, I thought you may have meant give them Rohypnol [however it's spelt] and I was kinda freaked out there.

If I'm tying a kid up I may as well give him the vaccine as far as I'm concerned.