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Just a question: Could slavery ever be considered good in any situation?


I say yes.

Just a question: Could slavery ever be considered good in any situation?


I say yes.

Can you name a situation wherein you'd want to be enslaved?

Sure... you can think that.

When your family and your race however, become the slaves, we will see if you still think that way.

I'm am descended from the Romans, we enslaved what would become the British, the Germans and the Africans. Tell me, if the great empire was still around today, would you appreciate your life as a slave?

Sure... you can think that.

When your family and your race however, become the slaves, we will see if you still think that way.

I'm am descended from the Romans, we enslaved what would become the British, the Germans and the Africans. Tell me, if the great empire was still around today, would you appreciate your life as a slave?

Well, if I was captured in battle I wouldn't mind. I'd love being a gladiator.

Also back in the old days my family owned upwards of 200 slaves, from what I learned, they were treated rather pleasently. They were fed, housed, and protected.

there are many kinds of slavery... not all bad... if you know what i mean ;) ......

Can you name a situation wherein you'd want to be enslaved?


If I was convicted of a violent felony.

If I was convicted of a violent felony.

That's imprisionment, not slavery.

I would find forced labor for violent criminals convicted of rape, murder, or attempted murder to be fair. They've taken something of value from society, let them pay society back with sweat and toil.

It'd certainly solve career worries.

That's imprisionment, not slavery.

Why waste all of that money on housing those social outcasts, and just turn them into slaves? Just think of all the public works that could be completed with the huge population of violent offenders in our penal system.

That's imprisionment, not slavery.
It's slavery if the prisoners are forced to do hard labor. You can be incarcerated and spend your time sleeping, playing spades, and watching daytime tv if you want to, but if you're forced to work it could be seen as slavery.

Britney spears is a slave for me.w00t!!!

Just a question: Could slavery ever be considered good in any situation?


I say yes.


Johnny....angry Johnny......Jezebel in helllllll. I wanna kill you...I wanna blow you....................away.

I heard that song the other day and thought of you. :rolleyes:

No slavery isnt ever good. Its never good to "own" someone else. People arent property.

However: history has shown some instances in which certain kinds of people were protected due to the fact that they "belonged" to someone else. Like they wouldnt be killed or harmed. Say in the USA, when slavery first ended, even though the slaves were free, they were still sought out and killed, beaten, raped.....just because the idiot bastards who enslaved them in the first place, thought it was ok to do. Some slaves were given the option to be free and leave, or to be free, but still work for their master in exchange for housing, food,a wage and protection. Ex slave owners wouldnt harm neighboring Ex slave owners out of respect(isnt that a sick twisted idea of respect?That is the ONLY instance I can even think of and I dont want to hear some smart ass come back at me and say I am in favor of slavery because thats just rediculous. I'm saying thats the only thing I can think of where Slavery would be somewhat bearable. Slavery is one of the ugliest things thats ever existed.

Well, if I was captured in battle I wouldn't mind. I'd love being a gladiator.

Also back in the old days my family owned upwards of 200 slaves, from what I learned, they were treated rather pleasently. They were fed, housed, and protected.

Gladiators rarely lived past one or two matches.

You sir have been misled by the propaganda of your family. If your family really treated their slaves so well why don't you find some of their descendants and ask them if they want to be slaves again?

I'm going to be marrying a beautiful African American Woman soon and I have no tolerance for inbred southern yippies. Just a heads up.

Johnny....angry Johnny......Jezebel in helllllll. I wanna kill you...I wanna blow you....................away.

I heard that song the other day and thought of you. :rolleyes:

No slavery isnt ever good. Its never good to "own" someone else. People arent property.

However: history has shown some instances in which certain kinds of people were protected due to the fact that they "belonged" to someone else. Like they wouldnt be killed or harmed. Say in the USA, when slavery first ended, even though the slaves were free, they were still sought out and killed, beaten, raped.....just because the idiot bastards who enslaved them in the first place, thought it was ok to do. Some slaves were given the option to be free and leave, or to be free, but still work for their master in exchange for housing, food,a wage and protection. Ex slave owners wouldnt harm neighboring Ex slave owners out of respect(isnt that a sick twisted idea of respect?That is the ONLY instance I can even think of and I dont want to hear some smart ass come back at me and say I am in favor of slavery because thats just rediculous. I'm saying thats the only thing I can think of where Slavery would be somewhat bearable. Slavery is one of the ugliest things thats ever existed.


Come on slavery wasn't all that bad, my families slaves were well cared for. Brutality was only dished out when warrented. Besides, the lives they led here were so much better then the crap they had to deal with in Africa.

Slavery has been around since the dawn of man, heck even Jesus ok'd it. Besides I have met a descendant of a slave that my family owned. I had him over for a BBQ. We had a good ole time.

Come on slavery wasn't all that bad, my families slaves were well cared for. Brutality was only dished out when warrented. Besides, the lives they led here were so much better then the crap they had to deal with in Africa.

Slavery has been around since the dawn of man, heck even Jesus ok'd it. Besides I have met a descendant of a slave that my family owned. I had him over for a BBQ. We had a good ole time.

*shakes head*

you are really overdue for therapy you know ;)

Just a question: Could slavery ever be considered good in any situation?

I say yes.

Tell you what. You come live in my house, and be my slave for a year, and at the end of the year, if you're still alive, we'll ask you how you like it.

Gladiators rarely lived past one or two matches.

You sir have been misled by the propaganda of your family. If your family really treated their slaves so well why don't you find some of their descendants and ask them if they want to be slaves again?

I'm going to be marrying a beautiful African American Woman soon and I have no tolerance for inbred southern yippies. Just a heads up.

Very many did live past 1 or 2 matches. It was too damn expensive to slaughter so many highly trained gladiators. The thumbs down thing is a myth.

Wow, you sir are a fountain of misinformation. I have found some of them. They hold no bitterness towards me.

You go ahead and marry her. Have fun. Thanks so much for that heads up. :rolleyes:

Come on slavery wasn't all that bad, my families slaves were well cared for. Brutality was only dished out when warrented. Besides, the lives they led here were so much better then the crap they had to deal with in Africa.

Slavery has been around since the dawn of man, heck even Jesus ok'd it. Besides I have met a descendant of a slave that my family owned. I had him over for a BBQ. We had a good ole time.

Then what did ya do?
put a pillow case on your head and call him a '******'?

Then what did ya do?
put a pillow case on your head and call him a '******'?

No I gave him a bottle of Colt 45 and had him make the ribs.

Come on slavery wasn't all that bad, my families slaves were well cared for. Brutality was only dished out when warrented. Besides, the lives they led here were so much better then the crap they had to deal with in Africa.

Slavery has been around since the dawn of man, heck even Jesus ok'd it. Besides I have met a descendant of a slave that my family owned. I had him over for a BBQ. We had a good ole time.
Quit trolling Johnny. Por favor. THIS is why I don't ever take anything you say seriously.

Very many did live past 1 or 2 matches. It was too damn expensive to slaughter so many highly trained gladiators. The thumbs down thing is a myth.

Wow, you sir are a fountain of misinformation. I have found some of them. They hold no bitterness towards me.

You go ahead and marry her. Have fun. Thanks so much for that heads up. :rolleyes:

Please Sir, quote your sources.

I mean, I always assumed Gladiatorial matches were popular because of the mortal combat involved. When two men enter and one man leaves, that's a 50% mortality match.

I would like to invite you into my house to become my slave, if you support the system so much.

Tell you what. You come live in my house, and be my slave for a year, and at the end of the year, if you're still alive, we'll ask you how you like it.


Could you afford my sale price? BTW I love to mow the lawn and do woodworking.

Why waste all of that money on housing those social outcasts, and just turn them into slaves? Just think of all the public works that could be completed with the huge population of violent offenders in our penal system.

Absolutly, give the violent offenders hammers, and powertools, and a job that gets them big and strong and then let them contribute to society in the open air. I don't see how that could possibly go wrong.

Gladiators rarely lived past one or two matches.

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You would think that at least 50% would survive their first match.

Tell you what. You come live in my house, and be my slave for a year, and at the end of the year, if you're still alive, we'll ask you how you like it.
Remember, as your property, you get to force sex on him, and it isn't rape. You can beat him 'when warrented', and of course you define when it is warrented and when it is not. If you tire of him, you can sell him to someone else who may treat him more brutally that you...it isn't really your problem. It may be cheaper in the long run to just kill him, rather than get medical attention for him if he is injured. If he somehow manages to sire children, you can simply sell them off, unless you choose to put him to stud in order to produce more workers. He will have no rights to pay for his work, and no limitations on how many hours he labours for you. Regular whippings are good for obedience. No doubt this is all better than his savage life would have been without you.

Ok, I'll stop feeding the trolls now.

Could you afford my sale price? BTW I love to mow the lawn and do woodworking.

I wouldn't be asking if I couldn't afford it.

Please Sir, quote your sources.

I mean, I always assumed Gladiatorial matches were popular because of the mortal combat involved. When two men enter and one man leaves, that's a 50% mortality match.

I would like to invite you into my house to become my slave, if you support the system so much.

Pretty much any book on ancient Rome will correct you on that. Generally gladiators only got killed through accident (that's right, accident) or because they put on a poor show. And the thumbs thing was the opposite, it was either down and away to indicate taking the knife away, or up and in to indicate a stab. There were occaisions where lots of people were killed in gladitorial spectacles, but they were usually condemned criminals who were given the option of fighting or being tortured to death, not real gladiators.

Absolutly, give the violent offenders hammers, and powertools, and a job that gets them big and strong and then let them contribute to society in the open air. I don't see how that could possibly go wrong.


Guns>Hammers

Guns>Hammers

not in the Kazoo.

Could you afford my sale price? BTW I love to mow the lawn and do woodworking.

Sale Price? What is this nonsense? Simply go to his house and throw the chains on him. Beat him senseless, then drag him off.

Slavery is never acceptable, troll.

Absolutly, give the violent offenders hammers, and powertools, and a job that gets them big and strong and then let them contribute to society in the open air. I don't see how that could possibly go wrong.
There are plenty of big strong people. I haven't met any bulletproof ones yet.

Sale Price? What is this nonsense? Simply go to his house and throw the chains on him. Beat him senseless, then drag him off.

Slavery is never acceptable, troll.

Shhh. I was going to lure him out of his house by waving a suitcase full of money, and then pepper spray and Taser him. Put him in the trunk and drive my new slave home.

Sale Price? What is this nonsense? Simply go to his house and throw the chains on him. Beat him senseless, then drag him off.

Slavery is never acceptable, troll.

Slaves are bought and sold.

Why do you call me a troll, I was asking a serious question.

Much of the "brutality" committed against slaves was a myth. Why would you hurt them so badly that they couldn't work? Let's face it slaves were very expensive back in the old days. They cost the equivilent of a new car today. Would you buy a new car then beat it up so badly it wouldn't run?

Shhh. I was going to lure him out of his house by waving a suitcase full of money, and then pepper spray and Taser him. Put him in the trunk and drive my new slave home.

Sorry but my class of people would have had you as the indentured servant.

Could you afford my sale price? BTW I love to mow the lawn and do woodworking.

I don't think you understand how this whole slave things work.

To start off with, we don't pay shit.

We take you from your home.

Besides I have met a descendant of a slave that my family owned. I had him over for a BBQ. We had a good ole time.

That sounds akward.

And no, Slavery is not all right.

Slaves are bought and sold.

Why do you call me a troll, I was asking a serious question.

Much of the "brutality" committed against slaves was a myth. Why would you hurt them so badly that they couldn't work. Let's face it slaves were very expensive back in the old days. They cost the equivilent of a new car today. Would you buy a new car then beat it up so badly it wouldn't run?

Heh... you're full of crap, you know that? You've bought into some lies someone fed you along the way. You're wrong, from start to finish. Slavery is a human instution, and one that from start to finish keeps its victims in chains both of the metal and mental. Sure slaves were beat. You just didn't kill them, unless you could afford another.

Jesus never condoned slavery. Jesus recognized the existence of slavery and told slaves how they should act toward their masters -- essentially, to do their work is if they were doing it for God. He wasn't telling "masters" they they were in the same position as God, but he also wasn't telling the slaves to rise up and kill their "masters".

The Hebrew people were enslaved. Certainly, God did not condone their enslavement. He secured their freedom by His power and through the faithful work of His servants.

The enslavement of one human by another violates God's nature and is sin.

Your theology may not be the same as mine. So, if you think slavery can be "good" or "right", tell me what your standard is for determining the rightness or wrongness of conduct.

I don't think you understand how this whole slave things work.

To start off with, we don't pay shit.

We take you from your home.

No the slave traders capture them, then sell them to the plantation owners. How many plantation owners went to Africa and captured their own slaves?

I don't think you grasp history all that well.

Jesus never condoned slavery. Jesus recognized the existence of slavery and told slaves how they should act toward their masters -- essentially, to do their work is if they were doing it for God. He wasn't telling "masters" they they were in the same position as God, but he also wasn't telling the slaves to rise up and kill their "masters".

The Hebrew people were enslaved. Certainly, God did not condone their enslavement. He secured their freedom by His power and through the faithful work of His servants.

The enslavement of one human by another violates God's nature and is sin.

Your theology may not be the same as mine. So, if you think slavery can be "good" or "right", tell me what your standard is for determining the rightness or wrongness of conduct.

Yet the hebrews kept slaves? If you believe in god, then you may have a problem with it.

My theology is probably different then yours.

No the slave traders capture them, then sell them to the plantation owners. How many plantation owners went to Africa and captured their own slaves?

I don't think you grasp history all that well.

Slavery has been around a bit longer than that. Romans routinely enslaved those they conquered. It was a popular practice back then.

That sounds akward.

And no, Slavery is not all right.

Yes at first it was awkward, now I employ him as my personal driver. Amazing how history somewhat repeats itself!

Slaves are bought and sold.

But they must be MADE slaves first, and few people entery slavery willingly. Paying off debts by selling yourself or your children is not willingly IMO.

Why do you call me a troll, I was asking a serious question.

I guess the ruling is, as long as you troll with your main nation you're safe. So perhaps some days I will be Sinuhue, and others I will be Sinuhue (HerPower).

Much of the "brutality" committed against slaves was a myth. Why would you hurt them so badly that they couldn't work? Let's face it slaves were very expensive back in the old days. They cost the equivilent of a new car today. Would you buy a new car then beat it up so badly it wouldn't run?This applies to the ones who actually survived the middle passage. Many didn't.

Slaves THESE days are worth much less than slaves in the past. They are essentially disposable. I heard it estimated once that a slave in the South was worth about $40,000 (current price), and so yes, was a valuable piece of property akin to a new vehicle. The average price of a slave these days is $40. Not nearly so important to keep them healthy.

Slavery has been around a bit longer than that. Romans routinely enslaved those they conquered. It was a popular practice back then.

I was talking post Roman days, but still they were sold back then too.

I fail to see what you mean.

Is there a difference if I kiddnap you from your home directly or via a third party?

The Bible does not support slavery, that MYTH was disproven long ago.

You have no justification for slavery, your family, your caste system was destroyed by the army of the Union. You are the ones who are inferior, so weak that you cannot even win a war against the educated factory workers of the north?

If you come to my state, I assure you, it will be you who is the indentured servant.

This applies to the ones who actually survived the middle passage. Many didn't.




Don't tell me you believe that one guy who said 100 million died on the way over here?

He also said that's why sharks follow ships to this day.

Yet the hebrews kept slaves? If you believe in god, then you may have a problem with it.

My theology is probably different then yours.


Like us, the Hebrews did many things that were wrong. I never give the slightest indication that I thought it was ok for Hebrews to own slaves. If you'd think a little deeper before being so quick to try to pick some fault with what I said, you'd realize that the people Jesus was taking to were those people who were slaves of Hebrews. My positionis still the same -- Jesus did not condone slavery, and slavery is a sin.

If you think slavery can be justified, what is your standard for right and wrong?

If you think slavery can be justified, what is your standard for right and wrong?


My standard of right and wrong is simple. If you harm others or fall into their debt, you should lose all rights and that includes your freedom.

My standard of right and wrong is simple. If you harm others or fall into their debt, you should lose all rights and that includes your freedom.

You emotonally harm people all the time.

The slavery practiced in the Americas was of a perverted sort. There have been more than a few slave-owning societies in the past where slaves were treated as family members (and *many* others where they were treated much better than today's minimum-wage employees) and were glad of their place.

Claiming all forms of ownership were equivalent to that practiced in the Americas is akin to claiming that all forms of government are equivalent to that practiced in Nazi Germany.

My standard of right and wrong is simple. If you harm others or fall into their debt, you should lose all rights and that includes your freedom.

So the Africans somehow wronged the Americans?

I'm glad I pay off my credit card balance each month. But, technically, I guess I'm in debt to them the instant I charge something...

Don't tell me you believe that one guy who said 100 million died on the way over here?

He also said that's why sharks follow ships to this day.
I have no idea to whom you are referring.

Do I believe that a disproportionate amount of HUMAN BEINGS died via the Middle Passage? Abosolutely. Historical documents have proven it. To me, the numbers are not the issue. Slavery is an abhorant practice, and no matter your declarations that you would willingly become one, I do not believe it, unless your intentions are masochistic. (and I'm not just talking about sex)

Well, if I was captured in battle I wouldn't mind. I'd love being a gladiator.

Also back in the old days my family owned upwards of 200 slaves, from what I learned, they were treated rather pleasently. They were fed, housed, and protected.

Oh man, how could you say your family treated their slaves rather pleasently (sic) How can anything about having your life degraded to the status of property be pleasant? No, under no situation could slavery be seen as a positive thing.

My standard of right and wrong is simple. If you harm others or fall into their debt, you should lose all rights and that includes your freedom.
Do you have a mortgage? Do you have a lease on a vehicle? Do you have a credit card debt? Did you ever have student loans? By your 'simple' (I say, simplisitic) standard, the institutions that loaned you money have the right to demand immediate repayment (which IS the case...they can at any time demand the full principal be paid) OR have you sell yourselfs into slavery in order to pay off a portion of that debt.

Again. Very simplistic. And sensationalist. Which is standard Johnny Wadd fare...but the mods have let you slide so far so...

You have no justification for slavery, your family, your caste system was destroyed by the army of the Union. You are the ones who are inferior, so weak that you cannot even win a war against the educated factory workers of the north?

If you come to my state, I assure you, it will be you who is the indentured servant.

Some of my ancestors never lost to the yankees. They became raiders. We are not the inferior ones. You lost how many more men then we did? Yet your people were the industrialized ones fighting a bunch of uneducated, poor farmers, who barely had any food. Really good. The only way you won the war was through the use of war crimes anyway. Your soldiers were jokes who would run from the battlefield.

Sure, if I come to your state.. :rolleyes: What, are you and your "wife" going to enslave me? :)

You emotonally harm people all the time.

Try emotional rescue.

Just a question: Could slavery ever be considered good in any situation?


I say yes.

You're joking - right?

So the Africans somehow wronged the Americans?


Yes, they were different, and were originally brought here by others, ie not Americans.

I'm glad I pay off my credit card balance each month. But, technically, I guess I'm in debt to them the instant I charge something...


Yes, or Chase Manhattan could so pwn your ass.

Blah blah blah, shocking that Johnny Wadd is trolling, how shocking that he's picked a shocking concept like slavery isn't bad. I'd be equally shocked at his topic of how rape isn't bad. Shocking. The horror. [insert useless arguments with idiot trolls here.]

I have no idea to whom you are referring.

Do I believe that a disproportionate amount of HUMAN BEINGS died via the Middle Passage? Abosolutely. Historical documents have proven it. To me, the numbers are not the issue. Slavery is an abhorant practice, and no matter your declarations that you would willingly become one, I do not believe it, unless your intentions are masochistic. (and I'm not just talking about sex)


I'd rather be a living slave, then a dead cannibal victim in my native land. Seriously, who has it better, the blacks here or in Africa?

Blah blah blah, shocking that Johnny Wadd is trolling, how shocking that he's picked a shocking concept like slavery isn't bad. I'd be equally shocked at his topic of how rape isn't bad. Shocking. The horror. [insert useless arguments with idiot trolls here.]
I know...I just don't get why the mods don't DEAT him. I really think the important distinction is that you can't PUPPET troll. It's too hard to prove actual trolling if they use their main nation, so I think they kind of have to let that slide. But in Johnny's case...

I don't know...I kind of enjoy the kerfuffle of trolling.

Oh man, how could you say your family treated their slaves rather pleasently (sic) How can anything about having your life degraded to the status of property be pleasant? No, under no situation could slavery be seen as a positive thing.

They were fed, some were educated, and when the master would die, they were freed. That is my family of course, others were different.

I'm all in favor of making Johnny a eunuch so his wad won't dilute the gene pool...

You folks can continue to mess with the village idiot..I'm outta here.

I'd rather be a living slave, then a dead cannibal victim in my native land. Seriously, who has it better, the blacks here or in Africa?
Uh huh. The Africans were all savage cannibals. Slavery saved them from themselves. And you civilized us savage Indians so we wouldn't genocide ourselves out of existence. :rolleyes:

Sorry, Johnny...I just can't take you seriously enough to make this thread more fun...I'll let the newbies who don't know any better take that bait.

Good piece of trolling though, I have to admit it's got some heated responses!

Do you have a mortgage? Do you have a lease on a vehicle? Do you have a credit card debt? Did you ever have student loans? By your 'simple' (I say, simplisitic) standard, the institutions that loaned you money have the right to demand immediate repayment (which IS the case...they can at any time demand the full principal be paid) OR have you sell yourselfs into slavery in order to pay off a portion of that debt.

Again. Very simplistic. And sensationalist. Which is standard Johnny Wadd fare...but the mods have let you slide so far so...

I have no debts. Built my home myself, paid cash for all vehicles, etc. Grandma had a saying: if you can't pay cash, you don't need it.

You're joking - right?

No.

Blah blah blah, shocking that Johnny Wadd is trolling, how shocking that he's picked a shocking concept like slavery isn't bad. I'd be equally shocked at his topic of how rape isn't bad. Shocking. The horror. [insert useless arguments with idiot trolls here.]

How am I trolling? This is my personal belief system.

No.
Hmm... name sounds familiar. What forum have I seen you at before? :confused:


(Major t.r.o.l.l)

I know...I just don't get why the mods don't DEAT him. I really think the important distinction is that you can't PUPPET troll. It's too hard to prove actual trolling if they use their main nation, so I think they kind of have to let that slide. But in Johnny's case...

I don't know...I kind of enjoy the kerfuffle of trolling.

Just complain like you always do. If you don't agree with unpopular speach, why even respond.

Uh huh. The Africans were all savage cannibals. Slavery saved them from themselves. And you civilized us savage Indians so we wouldn't genocide ourselves out of existence. :rolleyes:

Sorry, Johnny...I just can't take you seriously enough to make this thread more fun...I'll let the newbies who don't know any better take that bait.

Good piece of trolling though, I have to admit it's got some heated responses!

The indians were infact cannibals in some cases.

Just complain like you always do. If you don't agree with unpopular speach, why even respond.
That quote, dear boy, was an aside. You weren't meant to here it. I was speaking to the audience. It's a dramtical effect. Silly!

I will be coming by today to collect my property... I have need of someone who can clear the snakes out of the yard. They are poisonous, but since you are in debt to me, I will risk the loss of a servant so my family and I can be safe. I mean, come on... you hurt me, therefore I have the right to beat you senseless, throw you to the snakes, and when I grow sick of you (which won't take long) I will just throw you in front of the nearest mack truck, videotape the whole thing, and make a final profit off of your death.

Tapes are only $20.

Anyone here interested in a copy?

In case you haven't figured it out, you disgust me. :gundge: You may know a few people who are still afraid of your family, and are willing to use you for your money, but no one will ever say "Thank you sooooo much for enslaving my grandmother, and raping her nightly... she cried every day, and tried to kill herself. You are such a wonderful human being."

gaugh! You are the lowest form of humanity there is. I hope terrorists decide that you are their next human shield. I would gladly shoot straight through you. :mad::eek: :sniper:

The indians were infact cannibals in some cases.
Yeah, but buffalo meat always tasted better...less gristle too :p Plus we gave it up when you whiteys came...you all tasted pickled.

How am I trolling? This is my personal belief system.

Your personal belief system is "Is Slavery All That Bad?"

Trolling can be your personal belief system....I don't define them as mutually exclusive.

Especially as in your case, where your apparent belief system on this boards actually IS all about trolling, creating sensations and argument and hostility. You live for it, you love it, you invite it, admit it.

Was it the Star Wars KotR board? Or Gametalk?


I think it was. He spammed, flamed, trolled... oh, it was SO annoying.

In case you haven't figured it out, you disgust me. :gundge: You may know a few people who are still afraid of your family, and are willing to use you for your money, but no one will ever say "Thank you sooooo much for enslaving my grandmother, and raping her nightly... she cried every day, and tried to kill herself. You are such a wonderful human being."

gaugh! You are the lowest form of humanity there is. I hope terrorists decide that you are their next human shield. I would gladly shoot straight through you. :mad::eek: :sniper:

Temper, temper. Careful you are shouting. ;)

Violence is never called for.

Your personal belief system is "Is Slavery All That Bad?"



Especially as in your case, where your apparent belief system on this boards actually IS all about trolling, creating sensations and argument and hostility. You live for it, you love it, you invite it, admit it.

Yes that is my belief.

Admit what?

Temper, temper. Careful you are shouting. ;)

Violence is never called for.

Except, of course, when beating an unruly slave.

Was it the Star Wars KotR board? Or Gametalk?


I think it was. He spammed, flamed, trolled... oh, it was SO annoying.

It wasn't me. I only go to NS so I can discuss the real issues of today.

Except, of course, when beating an unruly slave.

Discipline and violence are 2 different things.

Another thing that bugs me is the subject of reparations. Seriously, certain people want money for what happened over 100 yrs ago. Why couldn't I get money from the government for all of the money lost when my great, great, great grandpappy had to free his slaves?

Can you name a situation wherein you'd want to be enslaved?
It involves lots of nubile young women.

Yes that is my belief.

Admit what?
The prosecution rests.

The prosecution rests.


Now you're Godmoding?

Now you're Godmoding?
Um...doesn't that just refer to RPs? You DO realize that this is an OOC forum? If by making smarmy smart-ass comments I am somehow Godmoding, then I guess I am. Sure:).

Come on Johnny..say something else shocking before people lose interest!

I'm going to get spanked for this, aren't I, Coggie? I'll quite egging. Sorry.

Um...doesn't that just refer to RPs? You DO realize that this is an OOC forum? If by making smarmy smart-ass comments I am somehow Godmoding, then I guess I am. Sure:).

Come on Johnny..say something else shocking before people lose interest!

I'm going to get spanked for this, aren't I, Coggie? I'll quite egging. Sorry.


Nothing I have stated should be shocking as it is really what I think.

BTW I don't know all of this internet lingo. For pete's sake I'm 64 yrs old.

I have to agree on one point, and that is that no African American living here today would give up what they have to go back to Africa and live like 80% of the continent does. However, slave traders usually picked the biggest and strongest slaves to work for them. Could things possibly be different in Africa if the bigger and stronger ones who became slaves had never been removed? That is possible.

Your family may have treated their slaves well, and if so, that's good. No where in history has owning another person been a good thing though.

Jesus never condoned slavery, and you telling someone else that they are full of misinformation after saying that ridiculous statement makes you a hypocrite.

To the people who made generalizations about people in the south owning slaves and what not -- George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and many of the founding fathers had slaves also. Deal with it.

Slavery isn't right, no matter what your family/ies tell you. That's why it's not in law (specifically, not implied) in any of today's powerful nations.

Come on slavery wasn't all that bad, my families slaves were well cared for. Brutality was only dished out when warrented. Besides, the lives they led here were so much better then the crap they had to deal with in Africa.

Slavery has been around since the dawn of man, heck even Jesus ok'd it. Besides I have met a descendant of a slave that my family owned. I had him over for a BBQ. We had a good ole time.
For some reason I see you in a white robe getting ready for a cross burning writing this....but that must be just me.

what in the hell is Godmodding?

Slavery isn't right, no matter what your family/ies tell you. That's why it's not in law (specifically, not implied) in any of today's powerful nations.

But it should be as a way to deal with uncurable violent criminals. You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to realize the good that could come from it.

Nothing I have stated should be shocking as it is really what I think.

BTW I don't know all of this internet lingo. For pete's sake I'm 64 yrs old.
That's okay (but your stats seem to keep shifting...are you still a quadruple amputee recovering from a brain tumor?). I just found out what Godmoding and OOC and RP meant last week. Now I'm just trying to sound smart.

Temper, temper. Careful you are shouting. ;)

Violence is never called for.
Just brutality when warrented, right? See what I quoted earlier if you forgot.

For some reason I see you in a white robe getting ready for a cross burning writing this....but that must be just me.


A white robe now? Don't be silly, it's not Memorial Day yet.


"You know what you look like with your bad shoes and good bag? A rube"
B. Dooley

But it should be as a way to deal with uncurable violent criminals. You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to realize the good that could come from it.

Rockets do not require surgery.

You guys are missing the point of the topic. "When would slavery be good?"

I can think of only one situation, but there might be more:

1. Instead of imprisoning criminals, sell them to corporations to work unpaid, contacted work for the length of their sentence. It's more profitable than sending them to prisons.

And: SLAVER IS NOT ILLEGIAL IN THE US!
You may be legally sentenced to slavery. Read the Constitution.

AMENDMENT XIII
Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.

Note: A portion of Article IV, section 2, of the Constitution was superseded by the 13th amendment.

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

That's okay (but your stats seem to keep shifting...are you still a quadruple amputee recovering from a brain tumor?). I just found out what Godmoding and OOC and RP meant last week. Now I'm just trying to sound smart.


Limbs don't mysteriously grow back. The legs I lost in Nam, the arms I lost in a drunken farm accident. My tumor is still in my brain.

Rockets do not require surgery.
BAHHAHAHAH!!! I didn't notice that before...

rocket surgeon

Beautiful!

Rockets do not require surgery.


i think its called irony and or sarcasm.....like a brain scientist .....rocket surgeon...get it?

Limbs don't mysteriously grow back. The legs I lost in Nam, the arms I lost in a drunken farm accident. My tumor is still in my brain.
Ok. Just checking. Didn't you have surgery? Or was it some other kind of treatment? I have faith you'll pull through. You're too mean to die! (and I mean that in the best possible way)

Okay...I'm out now...enjoy the rest of the thread, kids!

Come on slavery wasn't all that bad, my families slaves were well cared for. Brutality was only dished out when warrented. Besides, the lives they led here were so much better then the crap they had to deal with in Africa.

Slavery has been around since the dawn of man, heck even Jesus ok'd it. Besides I have met a descendant of a slave that my family owned. I had him over for a BBQ. We had a good ole time.

Jesus did not okay slavery. Stop slandering Jesus.

For some reason I see you in a white robe getting ready for a cross burning writing this....but that must be just me.


BTW what kind of a rube wears white before memorial day. Not a southern gentleman like myself. On M-day weekend, I'll be relaxing in my Col Sanders white suit, sipping a Mint Julip, thinking of the good old days.

You guys are missing the point of the topic. "When would slavery be good?"

I can think of only one situation, but there might be more:

1. Instead of imprisoning criminals, sell them to corporations to work unpaid, contacted work for the length of their sentence. It's more profitable than sending them to prisons.

And: SLAVER IS NOT ILLEGIAL IN THE US!
You may be legally sentenced to slavery. Read the Constitution.
You obviously knew I wasn't talking about it in that context, tool.

Jesus did not okay slavery. Stop slandering Jesus.


Yeah ok. He can't even eat M & M's, they keep falling out of his hands.

i think its called irony and or sarcasm.....like a brain scientist .....rocket surgeon...get it?

Wow, I guess you do need a PhD.

BTW Go right, then turn up left.

i think its called irony and or sarcasm.....like a brain scientist .....rocket surgeon...get it?
My chemistry professor told us that electrochemistry wasn't rocket surgery the other day. It was quite humorous.

Why waste all of that money on housing those social outcasts, and just turn them into slaves? Just think of all the public works that could be completed with the huge population of violent offenders in our penal system.
My system of government actually purposes this coupled with an idea purposed in the Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy where certain areas are closed off and are basically zones of complete anarchy, all murderers would be turned into slaves of the state, if you take the life of another, you've just forfitted the rest of your own life in their place, all violent crimes not resulting in murder would either be a number of years of such slavery, or being exiled for life into ones of these zones, heavily monitored by the military to ensure the boarders are not breached.

Conversely, you could choose to live in these zones of your own free will and could theoretically become a dictator of the zone, just so long as you don't try to expand your boarders.

Laws would also be based on victimization and harm, no victimless crimes, no protecting you from yourself, just protecting you from the actions of other people.

Then, there's also the option of starting a private community which can enforce more laws (assuming they do not allow for victimization, for instance, a group of white supremists could start a community and declare that only whites can live their, but they couldn't declare that any non-whites could be shot on sight) so long as those laws are unanimously agreed to be upheld by the residents.

It also purposes a government that operates like a business and where every citizen/employee has a responsibility to serve in the economic, executive/judicial, and military branches for a set amount of years, but then are afforded in return free education, health care and the necessities for survival (food, clothing, shelter, it would be a meager living, but it would be a guarunteed means of basic survival allowing you to focus on other things) with the option to work beyond this minimum requirement to earn money for luxuries as well (though you would not be paid for work in executive/judicial branchs, but rather, would have a set amount of resources that would reset every week or so, so if you use it all in a day, you're out for the week, but if you don't use it all, it still gets reset to the same amount, which would be what you walk away with for your service before returning to necessities/earn money). This would mean there would be both a socialistic and capitalistic society coexisting without the need for taxes, because those would become costs to be paid before profits are divided as the wages of the employees. Though private communities could enforce taxes should it be unanimously agreed to.

It's basically a government designed with the fact that you can't have freedom without responsibility in mind above all else. I've mentioned it at least twice and made a thread about it, but no one cared to respond. :(

My system of government actually purposes this coupled with an idea purposed in the Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy where certain areas are closed off and are basically zones of complete anarchy, all murderers would be turned into slaves of the state, if you take the life of another, you've just forfitted the rest of your own life in their place, all violent crimes not resulting in murder would either be a number of years of such slavery, or being exiled for life into ones of these zones, heavily monitored by the military to ensure the boarders are not breached.

Conversely, you could choose to live in these zones of your own free will and could theoretically become a dictator of the zone, just so long as you don't try to expand your boarders.

Laws would also be based on victimization and harm, no victimless crimes, no protecting you from yourself, just protecting you from the actions of other people.

Then, there's also the option of starting a private community which can enforce more laws (assuming they do not allow for victimization, for instance, a group of white supremists could start a community and declare that only whites can live their, but they couldn't declare that any non-whites could be shot on sight) so long as those laws are unanimously agreed to be upheld by the residents.

It also purposes a government that operates like a business and where every citizen/employee has a responsibility to serve in the economic, executive/judicial, and military branches for a set amount of years, but then are afforded in return free education, health care and the necessities for survival (food, clothing, shelter, it would be a meager living, but it would be a guarunteed means of basic survival allowing you to focus on other things) with the option to work beyond this minimum requirement to earn money for luxuries as well (though you would not be paid for work in executive/judicial branchs, but rather, would have a set amount to spen. This would mean there would be both a socialistic and capitalistic society coexisting without the need for taxes, because those would become costs to be paid before profits are divided as the wages of the employees. Though private communities could enforce taxes should it be unanimously agreed to.

It's basically a government designed with the fact that you can't have freedom without responsibility in mind above all else. I've mentioned it at least twice and made a thread about it, but no one cared to respond. :(

See, finally someone who can think.

I've mentioned it at least twice and made a thread about it, but no one cared to respond. :(

For some reason the people here have an unfounded hatred of me. I guess you have to irk people in order to warrent a response.

Come on slavery wasn't all that bad, my families slaves were well cared for. Brutality was only dished out when warrented. Besides, the lives they led here were so much better then the crap they had to deal with in Africa.

Slavery has been around since the dawn of man, heck even Jesus ok'd it. Besides I have met a descendant of a slave that my family owned. I had him over for a BBQ. We had a good ole time.

Even if they were treated nice they were still unable to follow hopes and dreams of bettering their lives because they were stuck wiping your grandfather’s aS$. Jesus ok'd it so that means it is right? Jesus is responsible for the majority of hate in the world. Please don't use jesus or the bible as references unless you are referring to how stupid they are.

See, finally someone who can think.
You've found someone who shares your views! Yay for you! I'm all warm and fuzzy just thinking about it:)

For some reason the people here have an unfounded hatred of me. I guess you have to irk people in order to warrent a response.
No hatred. Mistrust. It's no fun when you think the person spouting certain views may not really hold those views after all. If I could convince myself you were serious, I'd be delirious with the joy of having someone to debate with.

But I'm a cynic. Sorry :(

Yeah ok. He can't even eat M & M's, they keep falling out of his hands.


that was bad.....you are so wicked......why dont we ever tg anymore?

and i still dunno what godmodding is. Im just going to make up words from now on. It totally rifkins me to no end.

See, finally someone who can think.
Correction, someone who thinks as radically as yourself.

You've found someone who shares your views! Yay for you! I'm all warm and fuzzy just thinking about it:)

I thought you were leaving.

Now my tumor hurts, thanks alot.

that was bad.....you are so wicked......why dont we ever tg anymore?



Ok tutz, we'll have to tg, but I'm a very busy man.

No hatred. Mistrust. It's no fun when you think the person spouting certain views may not really hold those views after all. If I could convince myself you were serious, I'd be delirious with the joy of having someone to debate with.

But I'm a cynic. Sorry :(

I am serious, how many damn times must I say it. I'll be your forever man.

Ok tutz, we'll have to tg, but I'm a very busy man.


i know but you can make time for me. dont make me tip over your wheelchair again.

You've found someone who shares your views! Yay for you! I'm all warm and fuzzy just thinking about it:)
Actually, I'm somewhere way off in left field on the political compass and the likes of Johnny, Whispering Legs and Eutrusca are the people I tend to disagree the most with...

People call me a rascist and KKK just cause I don't like black cat's.


"Al Gore, You can kiss my bright red rosie on Main St."-J Wadd

i know but you can make time for me. dont make me tip over your wheelchair again.


That's why I want a large black manservant, just to keep that from happening.

"Plane go boom, pants go brown!"V. Dozier

I thought you were leaving.

Now my tumor hurts, thanks alot.
I am, I am...sorry...I'm terrible at leaving:).

That's why I want a large black manservant, just to keep that from happening.

you are such an ass hat.....*tips over wheelchair anyway*

you are such an ass hat.....*tips over wheelchair anyway*
By the way Peech...I'm so eating up your post count! Bahahahahaha! Rifliktzish that! :p

you are such an ass hat.....*tips over wheelchair anyway*


You'd better smile when you say that.


BTW did Moses give you that Valentines'.

When did he come back :headbang:

When did he come back :headbang:
Just today! I'd forgotten about him actually!

Johnny: That was another aside.

I told you I suck at leaving.

By the way Peech...I'm so eating up your post count! Bahahahahaha! Rifliktzish that! :p


i know! you are a posting mama-jama......I'll race you to 10,000 ;)

Just today! I'd forgotten about him actually!

Johnny: That was another aside.

I told you I suck at leaving.

Well, go right, then turn up left!

But, to answer the question of the thread forced slavery really is that bad, that's why it's a punishment I'd reserve to murderers and violent crimes. But in cases of willing servitude, I could honestly see myself rather enjoying spending the rest of my life as the devoted slave of a loving mistress :D

What about reparations for slavery though? Any ideas on that?

i know! you are a posting mama-jama......I'll race you to 10,000 ;)
I could have sworn you were on General before me though...did you have a name change?

Gladiators rarely lived past one or two matches.

You sir have been misled by the propaganda of your family. If your family really treated their slaves so well why don't you find some of their descendants and ask them if they want to be slaves again?

I'm going to be marrying a beautiful African American Woman soon and I have no tolerance for inbred southern yippies. Just a heads up.


That is not true. Gladiators commonly lived to old age and became freedmen. Don't just watch the movie Gladiator and assume you understand Roman history. Sure, there were bloody spectacles, but the majority of "games" were NOT fight to the death and were much more like modern olymics.

As with American slavery. It was not all whips and chains, most slaves were treated very humanly with the exception of being slaves. It only became bloody at the war to end slavery.

Don't believe everything you see in movies.

What about reparations for slavery though? Any ideas on that?
Reparations...hmmmm...tough one. Let me tell you about reparations I agreed with.

Under the military dictatorship of Pinochet and his junta, thousands of Chileans were tortured and disappeared. The Chilean government has admitted to it (the most important step in my mind) and has offered reparations in the form of a government pension (no laughing matter) and benefits to all victims of torture and to the families of the disappeared. This is a one time only restitution, and only applies to those who can prove they were victims (through independent investigation or government records). It is going to leave some real victims high and dry, and its going to leave some fakes flush with cash. It isn't a perfect solution, but closure is needed, or the wounds will never heal, and the handouts will never cease.

I think most important is:

Admit.
Apologise.
Try to restitute (make reparation), but set a limit and end it.
After that, it's time to move on.

I could have sworn you were on General before me though...did you have a name change?


no....just peechland. and legless peeches but thats new

Reparations...hmmmm...tough one. Let me tell you about reparations I agreed with.

Under the military dictatorship of Pinochet and his junta, thousands of Chileans were tortured and disappeared. The Chilean government has admitted to it (the most important step in my mind) and has offered reparations in the form of a government pension (no laughing matter) and benefits to all victims of torture and to the families of the disappeared. This is a one time only restitution, and only applies to those who can prove they were victims (through independent investigation or government records). It is going to leave some real victims high and dry, and its going to leave some fakes flush with cash. It isn't a perfect solution, but closure is needed, or the wounds will never heal, and the handouts will never cease.

I think most important is:

Admit.
Apologise.
Try to restitute (make reparation), but set a limit and end it.
After that, it's time to move on.

Yes but, should I receive money from the gov't since they took a legal thing away from my family.

What about reparations for slavery though? Any ideas on that?
In what regard? Do you mean if someone was found to have enslaved someone against their will, how should the victim be compensated for their enslavement?

I just have one question....what gives you the right to own another human being?

I just have one question....what gives you the right to own another human being?


Because I'm of a better class then most. Understand?

Yes but, should I receive money from the gov't since they took a legal thing away from my family.
Of course it is going to depend on whether or not the government (made up of the people, so the majority really) think slavery was wrong, or taking the slaves away was wrong. It depends on the consciences of the people that make up a nation. If the majority of Chileans thought the torture and disappearances were justified, no reparations would be made. Same with your country...if your people thought slavery was justified, no reparations. If they thought taking the slaves away was unjustified, then reparations would be in order. I can't make that call even though I personally would swing in favour of reparations for the slaves, not the owners.

In what regard? Do you mean if someone was found to have enslaved someone against their will, how should the victim be compensated for their enslavement?


I mean, the slaves were legally bought at the time, then the gov't says they are free. We should receive some money for that. I figure $1000 a head. I have records from way back then as well.