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My political views on government have changed.

Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:24
I've always been a left leaner, and a bit of a socialist in some regards, but I have to admit that lately, the idea of giving a bunch of greedy idiots more power over me doesn't quite sit well. It never has I guess. I always figured The Revolution would fix all that and people would just seize power themselves. Well, I'm tired of waiting. I am now officially joining the camp of those of you out there, right and left wing, who want LESS government, LESS interference, and more popular involvement. This serves as a notification of my political switcharoo. (in which I still have the same basic politic beliefs, but have finally gotten off the fence on the issue of the role of government) I will now decide on the gun debate, in favour of NO regulation. I am sliding further into anarchy or libertarianism or whatever you want to call it. Hugs and kisses.
Eutrusca
26-04-2005, 18:30
I've always been a left leaner, and a bit of a socialist in some regards, but I have to admit that lately, the idea of giving a bunch of greedy idiots more power over me doesn't quite sit well. It never has I guess. I always figured The Revolution would fix all that and people would just seize power themselves. Well, I'm tired of waiting. I am now officially joining the camp of those of you out there, right and left wing, who want LESS government, LESS interference, and more popular involvement. This serves as a notification of my political switcharoo. (in which I still have the same basic politic beliefs, but have finally gotten off the fence on the issue of the role of government) I will now decide on the gun debate, in favour of NO regulation. I am sliding further into anarchy or libertarianism or whatever you want to call it. Hugs and kisses.
Yayyyy! [ and the crowd goes wild! ] :D
Johnny Wadd
26-04-2005, 18:33
I've always been a left leaner, and a bit of a socialist in some regards, but I have to admit that lately, the idea of giving a bunch of greedy idiots more power over me doesn't quite sit well. It never has I guess. I always figured The Revolution would fix all that and people would just seize power themselves. Well, I'm tired of waiting. I am now officially joining the camp of those of you out there, right and left wing, who want LESS government, LESS interference, and more popular involvement. This serves as a notification of my political switcharoo. (in which I still have the same basic politic beliefs, but have finally gotten off the fence on the issue of the role of government) I will now decide on the gun debate, in favour of NO regulation. I am sliding further into anarchy or libertarianism or whatever you want to call it. Hugs and kisses.

Welcome aboard, now drive down to Montana and come to my compound. I have an assault rifle with your name on it. ;)
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:37
Yayyyy! [ and the crowd goes wild! ] :D
Don't worry Eut, we are still ideologically antithetical to one another on most issues:).

And check out your damn Chilean pension thread!
Bitchkitten
26-04-2005, 18:37
I'm still a socialist and I've never been in favor of taking away a law-abiding citizens guns.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:38
Welcome aboard, now drive down to Montana and come to my compound. I have an assault rifle with your name on it. ;)
I haven't seen you around here for ages Johnny! Behaving yourself? And thanks for the offer, but I'm still anti-violence except when it comes to killing food.
Isanyonehome
26-04-2005, 18:38
Welcome aboard, now drive down to Montana and come to my compound. I have an assault rifle with your name on it. ;)

Do they still have no speed limit in Montana during the day outside of city limits for light cars and trucks?
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:40
I'm still a socialist and I've never been in favor of taking away a law-abiding citizens guns.
Not taking away...registering...it's not the same---never mind. :) I no longer have to argue for it.
Johnny Wadd
26-04-2005, 18:41
I haven't seen you around here for ages Johnny! Behaving yourself? And thanks for the offer, but I'm still anti-violence except when it comes to killing food.


It's not violence, it's just my little militia.

Yes, I've been getting treatment for my brain tumor. I am doing much better.
Bodies Without Organs
26-04-2005, 18:41
I am sliding further into anarchy or libertarianism or whatever you want to call it. Hugs and kisses.

Yay! Can we get a political compass fix on your current position?
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:42
By the way, when I say I'm anti government, I should stipulate that I am anti BIG government (federal and provincial), but that I favour municipal governments as long as there is majority resident participation (and by participation, it must go much further than voting). But I guess I'm thinking more of direct democracy than anything.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:42
Yay! Can we get a political compass fix on your current position?
What's the site again? My position hasn't changed for years...it'd be neat to see where it is now that I've come off the fence.
Eutrusca
26-04-2005, 18:43
Don't worry Eut, we are still ideologically antithetical to one another on most issues:).

And check out your damn Chilean pension thread!
I suspect that we're closer on lots of things than you might suppose. :D
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:43
Yes, I've been getting treatment for my brain tumor. I am doing much better.
I never know when to take you seriously... :confused:
Johnny Wadd
26-04-2005, 18:45
Do they still have no speed limit in Montana during the day outside of city limits for light cars and trucks?


Yes they have a speed limit sort of. As long as you're not reckless and going less then 100 in good conditions they tend to leave locals alone. The usual speed limit is 75mph.
Johnny Wadd
26-04-2005, 18:45
I never know when to take you seriously... :confused:

You should always believe me.
Whispering Legs
26-04-2005, 18:46
I'm still a socialist and I've never been in favor of taking away a law-abiding citizens guns.
Generally speaking, you're alone in that regard.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:48
I suspect that we're closer on lots of things than you might suppose. :D
Let's see, shall we?

SINUHUE
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT never
ABORTION pro-abortion
SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (society or individual, think
charities and the like) society

CAPITALISM needs to be constrained by environmental and human rights considerations

US MILITARY INTERVENTION wrong, should be stopped

VIOLENCE non-violence in all cases
GENDER EQUITY not yet achieved
There are more of course, but let's just start with these issues:)
Carnivorous Lickers
26-04-2005, 18:52
(applauds a step in the right direction)
Isanyonehome
26-04-2005, 18:52
Yes they have a speed limit sort of. As long as you're not reckless and going less then 100 in good conditions they tend to leave locals alone. The usual speed limit is 75mph.

Didnt they do away with it for a while?(outside of city limits, good conditions, light trucks and cars, daytime)

Why would big sky country need limits anyway?
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 18:55
(applauds a step in the right direction)
Absolutely not!

Left! Left! Not to the right, to the left! (I'd be a terrible marcher)
Johnny Wadd
26-04-2005, 19:00
Didnt they do away with it for a while?(outside of city limits, good conditions, light trucks and cars, daytime)

Why would big sky country need limits anyway?

Officially there is a speed limit for federal reasons, but it's rarely enforced. Yes they cracked down for a little while to collect highway money.

Well, if you hit an antelope at 120mph, you may regret speeding.

Also, I was passed by a 1980 rusty Cadillac, while I was doing 100, how safe is that?
Eutrusca
26-04-2005, 19:03
Let's see, shall we?

SINUHUE EUTRUSCA

never CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
pro-abortion ABORTIONsociety SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (society or individual, think
charities and the like)
needs to be constrained
by environmental and CAPITALISM
human rights considerations

wrong, should be stopped US MILITARY INTERVENTION

non-violence in all cases VIOLENCEnot yet achieved GENDER EQUITY
There are more of course, but let's just start with these issues:)

Eutrusca

Capital Punishment Not necessary in most cases, but does serve some retributive purposes.

Abortion Although I have a personal aversion to it, I see of no other practical way for women to have control over their own bodies.

Social Responsbility To be decided by the body politic. People as well as governments and private organizations should practice "social responsibility." [ This term is a bit vague to me, but I think I know what you mean. ]

Capitalism Strike a balance between governmental requlation to prevent abuses, and the need to grant adequate rewards for individual initiative.

Military Intervention Regretably necessary in some circumstances.

Violence [ Not really sure what you mean by this. Please be a bit more specific. ]

Gender Equity Everyone should have the opportunity to achieve to the limits of their abilities, regardless of gender, race, sexual preference, age or handicap.

Is that the sort of response you were looking for on this? :)
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:03
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

I don't remember my original score...but it wasn't much different on the chart than this one. I guess I'm just reconciling my need for collective action with less government control, and working out the contradictions inherent in some of my positions. So I was fairly anarchistic all along...just not sure how that translated in some specific situations.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:06
Eutrusca

Capital Punishment Not necessary in most cases, but does serve some retributive purposes.

Abortion Although I have a personal aversion to it, I see of no other practical way for women to have control over their own bodies.

Social Responsbilility To be decided by the body politic. People as well as governments and private organizations should practice "social responsibility." [ This term is a bit vague to me, but I think I know what you mean. ]

Capitalism Strike a balance between governmental requlation to prevent abuses, and the need to grant adequate rewards for individual initiative.

Military Intervention Regretably necessary in some circumstances.

Violence [ Not really sure what you mean by this. Please be a bit more specific. ]

Gender Equity Everyone should have the opportunity to achieve to the limits of their abilities, regardless of gender, race, sexual preference, age or handicap.

Is that the sort of response you were looking for on this? :)
Shite.

Violence: I am pacifist, but in the sense of non-violent political action and general non-violence in every day life. It's a broad issue...basically, I can sum it up with an Albert Camus quote, "There are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for". It seems that violence is really the biggest issue we differ on (including capital punishment and mililtary intervention). Yikes!
Matchopolis
26-04-2005, 19:07
Sinuhue I'm not trying to scare you back to big government socialism but I am tickled pink you looked at the facts and made your own decision.


Here's my views...

CAPITAL PUNISHMENT should be expanded to include child molestation and rape
ABORTION anti-abortion, pro life
SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (society or individual, think
charities and the like) society

CAPITALISM needs to be constrained by environmental and human rights considerations (I can live with it as it is now)

US MILITARY INTERVENTION YES Afghan women have legal rights, educational opportunities and police protection from abusive husbands because of Coalition soldiers.

VIOLENCE Needed.
GENDER EQUITY Yes
Matchopolis
26-04-2005, 19:11
"There are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for".

Are the lives of your children worth killing for? mine are. and I'd kill to protect yours from harm.
Daistallia 2104
26-04-2005, 19:11
Let's see, shall we?

SINUHUE
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT never
ABORTION pro-abortion
SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (society or individual, think
charities and the like) society

CAPITALISM needs to be constrained by environmental and human rights considerations

US MILITARY INTERVENTION wrong, should be stopped

VIOLENCE non-violence in all cases
GENDER EQUITY not yet achieved
There are more of course, but let's just start with these issues:)


I'm likning that as better than the standard left-right 1D spectrum and the 2D spectrum a la the Political Compass.
Frangland
26-04-2005, 19:17
I've always been a left leaner, and a bit of a socialist in some regards, but I have to admit that lately, the idea of giving a bunch of greedy idiots more power over me doesn't quite sit well. It never has I guess. I always figured The Revolution would fix all that and people would just seize power themselves. Well, I'm tired of waiting. I am now officially joining the camp of those of you out there, right and left wing, who want LESS government, LESS interference, and more popular involvement. This serves as a notification of my political switcharoo. (in which I still have the same basic politic beliefs, but have finally gotten off the fence on the issue of the role of government) I will now decide on the gun debate, in favour of NO regulation. I am sliding further into anarchy or libertarianism or whatever you want to call it. Hugs and kisses.

cool

how is your name pronounced, by the way? is it "sin-uh-hoo" or "sin-yoo-hoo" or "sin-uh-hyoo" or "sin-yoo-hyoo"?

hehe
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:17
US MILITARY INTERVENTION YES Afghan women have legal rights, educational opportunities and police protection from abusive husbands because of Coalition soldiers.

The instances of rape are also astronomically higher now than they were during the Taliban regime, warlords are regaining their power and creating more instability, kidnappings are becoming a profitable enterprise, around 700 children under the age of five die every day in Afghanistan due to preventable diseases and one women dies every 20 minutes due to complications in pregnancy and childbirth.

The warlords were terrible. The Taliban were terrible. The current system is STILL terrible. Intervention has not noticeably improved the situation on a wide scale. That doesn't mean I supported the warlords or the Taliban...but one bad system replacing another is not progress.

More: http://www.rawa.org/
Matchopolis
26-04-2005, 19:19
so leaving it as it was...was okay?
Eutrusca
26-04-2005, 19:19
Shite.

Violence: I am pacifist, but in the sense of non-violent political action and general non-violence in every day life. It's a broad issue...basically, I can sum it up with an Albert Camus quote, "There are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for". It seems that violence is really the biggest issue we differ on (including capital punishment and mililtary intervention). Yikes!
I adhor violence, perhaps because I've seen far more than my fair share of it. I believe that violence is a last resort against those who first choose to resort to it.

Look. The world and the universe according to Eutrusca are violent, unsafe places for children and other living things. There really are people out there who think that the best way to get what you want is to attack others and take it away from them. To totally rule out a violent response to people like this is to disarm yourself and subject yourself, your children, your people and your nation to their whims. I don't much like it, but there it is.

The universe will eventually kill all of us. The best we can do is delay the inevitable as long as possible. Comets, asteroids, earthquakes, volcanoes, landslides, tsunamis, cycles of extreme cold and extreme heat, disease, plague, biological weapons, nuclear weapons, terrorism, crimes of violence, and your next door neighbor with a grudge are all out there, along with God knows what else. To be unprepared is to be dead. Between those alternatives, I will always come down on the side of preparedness.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:20
cool

how is your name pronounced, by the way? is it "sin-uh-hoo" or "sin-yoo-hoo" or "sin-uh-hyoo" or "sin-yoo-hyoo"?

hehe
SIN-oo-way
Eutrusca
26-04-2005, 19:23
The instances of rape are also astronomically higher now than they were during the Taliban regime, warlords are regaining their power and creating more instability, kidnappings are becoming a profitable enterprise,

The warlords were terrible. The Taliban were terrible. The current system is STILL terrible. Intervention has not noticeably improved the situation on a wide scale. That doesn't mean I supported the warlords or the Taliban...but one bad system replacing another is not progress.

More: http://www.rawa.org/
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Matchopolis
26-04-2005, 19:24
Sinuhue,
Come on, would you kill to protect a child. I think you would. That moment would plague you the rest of your life but I think you'd pull the trigger. You wouldn't want to, I understand that. The horrifically ideal quotation from that guy is okay if one is willing to allow others to commit violence so they have the freedom to comdemn the actions of their protectors.
Whispering Legs
26-04-2005, 19:25
Most people aren't as different as their political opinions on a forum might imply.
Eutrusca
26-04-2005, 19:27
Most people aren't as different as their political opinions on a forum might imply.
Really? Wow! What a revelation! :D
Matchopolis
26-04-2005, 19:29
I agree with Whispering Legs. Most people I have read of in this forum are, as individuals, decent people. Problem is jingoism and preconceived notions, predjudices againsts certain countries which ever side of the Atlantic or Pacific they are on.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:29
Are the lives of your children worth killing for? mine are. and I'd kill to protect yours from harm.
Not killing for. Defending yes. The fundamental difference here is in philosophy. If I have to kill in self-defence, my original intent is still pacifistic (not non-resistant, non-violent). I would attempt to disarm or incapacitate an attacker FIRST. I would not 'pre-emptively' kill someone I thought MIGHT harm me or mine.

However, my non-violence is a political stance more than a personal one, and I'll admit it has some contradictions (ie, pro-abortion). The way I approach resistance on a political level is non-violently, a la Ghandi.
Falhaar
26-04-2005, 19:30
Most people aren't as different as their political opinions on a forum might imply. That's because most of us are human. :D
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:32
so leaving it as it was...was okay?

The warlords were terrible. The Taliban were terrible. The current system is STILL terrible. Intervention has not noticeably improved the situation on a wide scale. That doesn't mean I supported the warlords or the Taliban...but one bad system replacing another is not progress.

No. However, hailing the US intervention as 'better' is not necessarily true. Do I have a solution? Not really. But the US did what it did out of self-interest, not to help the Afghanis. That is bound to affect the results of their intervention...and it has.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:37
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Imagine it this way. Instead of your American Revolution, the French came to your shores, overthrew the British, and left a token force in order to install a government and to 'keep the peace'. Warring factions both for and against the Brits, as well as for and against the French settled into little areas of influence, with their own forces and rules, untouchable by the French because of limited military presence, and limited interest by the French public in general. Lawlessness now became the norm. Better than British oppression? In the eyes of some, perhaps...but wouldn't a revolution from within be more lasting than one imposed on you from an outside power with specific interests that may not mesh with yours?
Matchopolis
26-04-2005, 19:39
I better understand your pacifist self defense position now but when one decides to take another's life, your selfish emotional need or fear, will most likely cost you your own. The problem with acting after a smoking gun is that the bullet strikes deep inside before our eyes perceive the smoke. Kill them first and fast. Your chances of surviving are much better.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:48
I better understand your pacifist self defense position now but when one decides to take another's life, your selfish emotional need or fear, will most likely cost you your own. The problem with acting after a smoking gun is that the bullet strikes deep inside before our eyes perceive the smoke. Kill them first and fast. Your chances of surviving are much better.
If someone really wants me dead, no doubt I will be. There are a million different scenarios you could propose in which I would have to choose to kill or to die. As with all positions, your beliefs must fit the situation. My overall philosophy does not change. I would never join an army. I would never WILLINGLY kill a fellow human being. I would never condone violent revolution. I would never condone capital punishment. I consider poverty and hunger to be a kind of violence, not a simple 'fact of life' that can not be altered. There are situations I could imagine where dying would be preferable to the taking of another's life. There are situations I could imagine in which this would NOT be the case. Still, my decision at that moment would be made using my belief system of non-violence.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 19:49
That's because most of us are human. :D
Shocking! Scandalous! Hush you!
Frangland
26-04-2005, 19:57
SIN-oo-way

ahhhhhhhhh. got it. thankyouverymuch!
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 20:07
No problem.
Armed Bookworms
26-04-2005, 20:08
The instances of rape are also astronomically higher now than they were during the Taliban regime
And you have proof that the statistics the Taliban were giving out showed the situation correctly?
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 20:13
And you have proof that the statistics the Taliban were giving out showed the situation correctly?
I'm going with what RAWA has published. http://www.rawa.org/women.html

The Taliban were horrible. They were oppressive. So were the warlords. Unfortunately, factions from BOTH groups still have power (in their spheres) in Afghanistan, and women are STILL the battleground over which relgion, tradition, and the future of Afghanistan are being fought.
Vittos Ordination
26-04-2005, 20:26
I've always been a left leaner, and a bit of a socialist in some regards, but I have to admit that lately, the idea of giving a bunch of greedy idiots more power over me doesn't quite sit well. It never has I guess. I always figured The Revolution would fix all that and people would just seize power themselves. Well, I'm tired of waiting. I am now officially joining the camp of those of you out there, right and left wing, who want LESS government, LESS interference, and more popular involvement. This serves as a notification of my political switcharoo. (in which I still have the same basic politic beliefs, but have finally gotten off the fence on the issue of the role of government) I will now decide on the gun debate, in favour of NO regulation. I am sliding further into anarchy or libertarianism or whatever you want to call it. Hugs and kisses.

Hooray for you.

The more I have learned about politics and looked into my own views on politics the more I lean towards libertarianism.
Sinuhue
26-04-2005, 21:04
Who was the Canadian who once said to me on General, "GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY FREEDOM YOU DAMN DIRTY LIBERAL!" He'd be suprised to see me decide against gun registration...

*Charlton Heston yelling "Get your hands off me you damn, dirty ape!"*
Club House
27-04-2005, 00:38
I've always been a left leaner, and a bit of a socialist in some regards, but I have to admit that lately, the idea of giving a bunch of greedy idiots more power over me doesn't quite sit well. It never has I guess. I always figured The Revolution would fix all that and people would just seize power themselves. Well, I'm tired of waiting. I am now officially joining the camp of those of you out there, right and left wing, who want LESS government, LESS interference, and more popular involvement. This serves as a notification of my political switcharoo. (in which I still have the same basic politic beliefs, but have finally gotten off the fence on the issue of the role of government) I will now decide on the gun debate, in favour of NO regulation. I am sliding further into anarchy or libertarianism or whatever you want to call it. Hugs and kisses.
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Super-power
27-04-2005, 00:43
Welcome to the Dark Side, Sinhue.
Join (well u already have) with me, and together, you and I will libertarianize the galaxy!
[/Vader spoof]
Andaluciae
27-04-2005, 00:45
Hello, my young apprentice....*cackles*
Bitchkitten
27-04-2005, 00:51
BITCHKITTEN

CAPITAL PUNISHMENT never

ABORTION pro-choice---against abortion, don't have one

SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY society first, but we should all take more resposibility

CAPITALISM needs to be constrained by environmental and human rights considerations --corporations can hardly be trusted to care about anything but making money-- pure capitalism, the laissez-faire type, will give us another era of robber barons

US MILITARY INTERVENTION wrong in most cases

VIOLENCE non-violence is preferable, but not always feasible

GENDER EQUITY not yet achieved, but we have high hopes
Kiwicrog
27-04-2005, 01:34
Good on you Sin! Welcome to the wonderful world of owning your own life!

Kiwicrog:

CAPITAL PUNISHMENT If proven beyond any doubt for premeditated murder & rape

ABORTION Pro-choice. You own your own body.

SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY Individual rights first. You don't owe your life to any mob.

CAPITALISM yay!

US MILITARY INTERVENTION may be neccasary sometimes.

VIOLENCE Principle of "Non initiation of force". Do not initiate force or fraud against another, but you are welcome to use it in defence from force.

GENDER EQUITY is a noble goal, but very easy to go too far (man-hating) and ignore differences.
Kervoskia
27-04-2005, 01:47
I've always been a left leaner, and a bit of a socialist in some regards, but I have to admit that lately, the idea of giving a bunch of greedy idiots more power over me doesn't quite sit well. It never has I guess. I always figured The Revolution would fix all that and people would just seize power themselves. Well, I'm tired of waiting. I am now officially joining the camp of those of you out there, right and left wing, who want LESS government, LESS interference, and more popular involvement. This serves as a notification of my political switcharoo. (in which I still have the same basic politic beliefs, but have finally gotten off the fence on the issue of the role of government) I will now decide on the gun debate, in favour of NO regulation. I am sliding further into anarchy or libertarianism or whatever you want to call it. Hugs and kisses.
YAY! You've joined us at last!
So, that makes Eichen, Super-Power, Vittos Ordination, several others and myself.
Here is your free hat.
Hysterian
27-04-2005, 02:18
Im a Nationalist...... http://www.anu.org/
:cool:
Mazalandia
27-04-2005, 07:41
Sinuhue I'm not trying to scare you back to big government socialism but I am tickled pink you looked at the facts and made your own decision.


Here's my views...

CAPITAL PUNISHMENT should be expanded to include child molestation and rape
ABORTION anti-abortion, pro life
SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (society or individual, think
charities and the like) society

CAPITALISM needs to be constrained by environmental and human rights considerations (I can live with it as it is now)

US MILITARY INTERVENTION YES Afghan women have legal rights, educational opportunities and police protection from abusive husbands because of Coalition soldiers.

VIOLENCE Needed.
GENDER EQUITY Yes

Absolutely agree with death Penalty, and most of views, but disagree with abortion view.
Iview it as an necessary evil. By this I mean
I personally disagree, but I'm not going to force a woman to have a baby