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The hole point of edukashun is to produse workers for factries and ofice jobs. It shuld reely be about teaching peopel to think for themself.

Discus.

wow. just wow. did I mention wow?

now that that is out of the way
What makes thinking for yourself more important than being employable?

wow. just wow. did I mention wow?

now that that is out of the way
What makes thinking for yourself more important than being employable?

Jobs in factries are being replaced by robots and compters and they cant think for themself. If you want to be a robot you dont need to think for yourself. The unexamind life is not worth living.

wow. just wow. did I mention wow?

now that that is out of the way
What makes thinking for yourself more important than being employable?

Thinking for myself has made me the fine upstanding man I am today! :D

*jumps in some mud*

reading this thread has given me brain cancer :(



i'll be rocking back and forth in a padded cell, years from now, muttering quietly to myself, "the grammar, the spelling, ooooh nooo... the grammar...." ;)




education should be more than simply giving a person the ability and credentials to work. teaching people to think for themselves is a foundation of a truly free society

education should be more than simply giving a person the ability and credentials to work. teaching people to think for themselves is a foundation of a truly free society

You dont even need to go to school to get work lots of people are abel to make money for their boss without eduction - look at sweatshops. School just teeches you to sit quietly and folow orders.

They're washing bran. OH THE HUMANITIES!


(okay, bad pun)

You dont even need to go to school to get work lots of people are abel to make money for their boss without eduction - look at sweatshops. School just teeches you to sit quietly and folow orders.

only some of school, if you take good classes with good teachers it can be a very stimulating experience... that sounds kinda wrong

only some of school, if you take good classes with good teachers it can be a very stimulating experience... that sounds kinda wrong

Teachers arent given jobs based on weather kids like them, but on weather theyu can get good exam results for the kids.

The hole point of edukashun is to produse workers for factries and ofice jobs. It shuld reely be about teaching peopel to think for themself.

Discus.
You're such a smartass! But the good kind. :D

Teachers arent given jobs based on weather kids like them, but on weather theyu can get good exam results for the kids.
that might be true, but at my school several teachers tend to digress from the curriculum and focus on more important things and they are yet to be replaced

that might be true, but at my school several teachers tend to digress from the curriculum and focus on more important things and they are yet to be replaced

but that is just a side affect. They are payed to teach the crrulum not to talk about other things. That is like saying it we should send more men to the moon because we got teflon from the space progrom last time.

but that is just a side affect. They are payed to teach the crrulum not to talk about other things. That is like saying it we should send more men to the moon because we got teflon from the space progrom last time.
ROFL!

For humanity's sake, I hope this is sarcasm.

Or should i say

fro umanitees sac i thin this is schsm!!!!!!!!!!111

The hole point of edukashun is to produse workers for factries and ofice jobs. It shuld reely be about teaching peopel to think for themself.

Discus.

discus? you mean that thing we through around in track and field? why discus about factories and office jobs?

discus? you mean that thing we through around in track and field? why discus about factories and office jobs?

tehy are part of the grate stone circle that serrounds us all. They are the panoptican that watches us all.

We are taut at school sports to fight and to compete but we are not taugt how to love. There is not enouh love in the world. We are made to compete against the other team, like solders preparing for war.

Team sprit is taught us for working in the factries and ofices. Yay for our team! We are the better company! It like little war in the marketpalce. We are the better nation. Liek big war out in teh world. Even in sprots we have to follow teh rules of the game and not think for ourself.

tehy are part of the grate stone circle that serrounds us all. They are the panoptican that watches us all.

We are taut at school sports to fight and to compete but we are not taugt how to love. There is not enouh love in the world. We are made to compete against the other team, like solders preparing for war.

Team sprit is taught us for working in the factries and ofices. Yay for our team! We are the better company! It like little war in the marketpalce. We are the better nation. Liek big war out in teh world. Even in sprots we have to follow teh rules of the game and not think for ourself.
beauty, really poorly spelled beauty

beauty, really poorly spelled beauty

Why is evryone not aking me serious?

Edukashun is a bran-washing tule.
Well, I do hate unwashed bran.

Why is evryone not aking me serious?
that was serious, but you would be taken more seriously if you chose to type proper english.

The hole point of edukashun is to produse workers for factries and ofice jobs. It shuld reely be about teaching peopel to think for themself.

Discus.
You sir, are my god.

The unexamind life is not worth living.

That's a pretty bold claim.

that was serious, but you would be taken more seriously if you chose to type proper english.

proper english is an invention of dr johnson. he just chose what spelling he liked and used it in his dictonary. In teh USA they had other people who wrote dictionrys and so there are diffrences in american english and british english. Johnson stamped out vernacular english.

That's a pretty bold claim.

Do you think it is wrong?

Do you think it is wrong?


Frankly, yes. There are plently of people who live 'unexamined lives' who would say that their lives are still, indeed, worth living.

Moreover, what if examining one's life results in misery? It may very well be, that in many cases, navel contemplation is counter productive.

And yes, education is a brain washing tool.

Frankly, yes. There are plently of people who live 'unexamined lives' who would say that there lives are still, indeed, worth living.

Moreover, what if examining one's life results in misery? It may very well be, that in many cases, navel contemplation is counter productive.

And yes, education is a brain washing tool.

People who do not examine there lives ae just like automata. Humans can think about there own lifes in ways animals cannot. People who do not examine there own lives are living like anmals. They are not fuly human.

If you say it is bad because it is bad then youa re saying that what makes us happy is good. Naval gazing may make us sad but only by naval gazing could we look at question of weather happyness is really teh good thing in life.

People who do not examine there lives ae just like automata. Humans can think about there own lifes in ways animals cannot. People who do not examine there own lives are living like anmals. They are not fuly human.

If you say it is bad because it is bad then youa re saying that what makes us happy is good. Naval gazing may make us sad but only by naval gazing could we look at question of weather happyness is really teh good thing in life.

You only believe that this is an important question - and one that can and should be solved - because of your educational background.

You see, education has brain washed you into believing that everyone should navel gaze. Fortunately, I jerked around in school, so I can see the merits of both sides.

You only believe that this is an important question - and one that can and should be solved - because of your educational background.

You see, education has brain washed you into believing that everyone should navel gaze. Fortunately, I jerked around in school, so I can see the merits of both sides.

but in thinkng about weather the question should be asked or could be answered you are naval gazing. You say many peopel live lives unexamined and are happy, but they could be like peopel ina dark cave taht have never seen teh sun and so don't now how good it is. they live lifes in the darkness and think that the light from the mouth of cave is bright , but it is dark compared to the sun.

Bad gammar on purpose'D

but in thinkng about weather the question should be asked or could be answered you are naval gazing. You say many peopel live lives unexamined and are happy, but they could be like peopel ina dark cave taht have never seen teh sun and so don't now how good it is. they live lifes in the darkness and think that the light from the mouth of cave is bright , but it is dark compared to the sun.

You are assuming that we are all sighted. What about those who cannot even see the light from the mouth of the cave? Should we force them to expend years of effort and energy anway? And what about those who's eyes are weak and will be dazzled in bright light? Shouldn't they be allowed to choose for themselves, rather than having the people who have gone outside tell them what to do?

Edit: And don't forget those who go outside, are dazzled, and spend the next forty years stumbling around knocking into other people.

My life has been thoroughly examined. It is obviously defective and should be sent back to the factory.

The hole point of edukashun is to produse workers for factries and ofice jobs. It shuld reely be about teaching peopel to think for themself.

Discus.
And this dawned on you when?

You are assuming that we are all sighted. What about those who cannot even see the light from the mouth of the cave? Should we force them to expend years of effort and energy anway? And what about those who's eyes are weak and will be dazzled in bright light? Shouldn't they be allowed to choose for themselves, rather than having the people who have gone outside tell them what to do?

you say they should be able to choose for themsleves to argue against me, but I am sayi ng that school should teach people to think for themselves and be able to choose for themselves. if they like working in factries in teh darkness that is their choice, but how can they chose if they never search out what else they could do? School teaches people to follow orders and sit in lines not to make their own choices. It keeps people in the dark.

My life has been thoroughly examined. It is obviously defective and should be sent back to the factory.

I now you are joking here but what can we judge our lives by. do we have a standard of a good life or a bad life? we can't step out of our lifes and measre them by a standrad outside them.

The hole point of edukashun is to produse workers for factries and ofice jobs. It shuld reely be about teaching peopel to think for themself.

Discus.

You are, without a doubt, my absolute most favorite person on the planet right now. Bar none.

you say they should be able to choose for themsleves to argue against me, but I am sayi ng that school should teach people to think for themselves and be able to choose for themselves. if they like working in factries in teh darkness that is their choice, but how can they chose if they never search out what else they could do? School teaches people to follow orders and sit in lines not to make their own choices. It keeps people in the dark.

You can't teach people to 'think' for themselves. They already do. Just because they may think differently to you doesn't mean they aren't thinking. Unfortunately, the educational system has brainwashed you to believe that if they aren't thinking they way you think, then they are not thinking at all.

This may surprise you, but you don't have to go to school to figure out that there are better things to do than working down a mine, or in a steel mill - despite what the labour party may tell you.

So as, I said, people already think for themselves and, sometimes, part of that thinking involves the choice of not examining their own navel.

You can't teach people to 'think' for themselves. They already do. Just because they may think differently to you doesn't mean they aren't thinking. Unfortunately, the educational system has brainwashed you to believe that if they aren't thinking they way you think, then they are not thinking at all.

This may surprise you, but you don't have to go to school to figure out that there are better things to do than working down a mine, or in a steel mill - despite what the labour party may tell you.

So as, I said, people already think for themselves and, sometimes, part of that thinking involves the choice of not examining their own navel.


but there are more and less rigorus ways of thinking. school will try and teach you facts and maths and grammer, but it doesn't tech you how to struture thinking. i'm not sayng everyone should think like me, juts that there are ways of teaching peopel what makes an argument valid or not.

You say you have thought for yourself and made your decisons, but then you say that other people might not. You say that the claim 'an unexamined life is not worth lving' is a strong clam, but you have examind your life because you enter this debate

Labour Party? Tony blair is punch drunk.

To decide not to examine life is to naval gaze.

Bump! Because noone took me serious.

I'll sine up to teh list off peepel wot luv BWO uncno- uncondishallaallaaly- lots.

Haha ths thred roks! I relly licked teh part wher ppl thort u wre beeing sarchastic!! LOL!!1111

Education is the responsibility of the State. Learning to think for yourself is your own responsibility.

You seem to be procedeeding from a false original premise, the purpose of education. Education in the modern industrialized society is a system to keep children out from underfoot until they are old enough work and such, giving their parents the freedom from parenting that allows them to work. It is a babysitting service. Really, you don't thnk it takes 12 years to teach someone how to work on an assembley line do you, I have taught 8 year olds all they needed to know in 2 hours to do most factory jobs.

Education is the responsibility of the State. Learning to think for yourself is your own responsibility.

Why is one the job of the state and not teh other? Witch is more impotent: being able to real off lists of facts parrot fashon, or being able to think properly?

You seem to be agreing with me, that school is just a way of making workers for the factries and offices. IS thsi right? You think that school should jsut make robot drones to fallow orders?

You seem to be procedeeding from a false original premise, the purpose of education. Education in the modern industrialized society is a system to keep children out from underfoot until they are old enough work and such, giving their parents the freedom from parenting that allows them to work. It is a babysitting service. Really, you don't thnk it takes 12 years to teach someone how to work on an assembley line do you, I have taught 8 year olds all they needed to know in 2 hours to do most factory jobs.

So you think there is to much educaton in the westen world? The 8 year odls could be taught how to work on the asemblie lines and they would be away from there parents and earning money for them?

So you think there is to much educaton in the westen world? The 8 year odls could be taught how to work on the asemblie lines and they would be away from there parents and earning money for them?Goodness that would be awful. If 8 year olds were working in the factories it would be taking jobs away from thier parents. The idea is to keep them out of the workforce, keep them children from "stealing" our jobs. Eventually we have to let them out and have jobs, but we use the education system to slow them down. It has nothing to do with teaching them knowledge or anything, a 3rd grade graduate is just as qualified knowledgewise for most jobs as a BA - the whole point of requiring the kid to get the BA before they could get the job is to keep him out of the way so us adults don't have to worry about the competition.

Remember, Age and Treachery will beat out Youth and Skill every time.

Goodness that would be awful. If 8 year olds were working in the factories it would be taking jobs away from thier parents. The idea is to keep them out of the workforce, keep them children from "stealing" our jobs.

but at the same time all the assemblie lines in the west are being moved to the thrid world and so jobs and money are going abrored. Instead of nike paying an 8 year old in tailand to make shoes they could pay an 8 year old in EUrope or the US.

Remember, Age and Treachery will beat out Youth and Skill every time.

the tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction

Why is one the job of the state and not teh other? Witch is more impotent: being able to real off lists of facts parrot fashon, or being able to think properly?

You seem to be agreing with me, that school is just a way of making workers for the factries and offices. IS thsi right? You think that school should jsut make robot drones to fallow orders?
Not at all. I'm just being realistic. Most people are scared shitless to actually think. Trying to teach people in general to think things through, rather than simply reflecting what their parents believe, would cause an uprising among parents, frustrate most teachers, and confuse most students.

I use to believe that schools should teach logic and reason, rather than concentrating on teaching "facts." What changed my mind was the realization that most people either don't want to be bothered or would be so threatened by it that they would recoil in horror.

EDIT: Most people want certainty and try to avoid change. To think is to be uncertain most of the time and to accept change as an integral part of the way the universe operates. Why do you think so many people take refuge in belief systems that are pre-formatted for them, rather like a suit of clothes you can take off the rack and slip right in to?

I use to believe that schools should teach logic and reason, rather than concentrating on teaching "facts." What changed my mind was the realization that most people either don't want to be bothered or would be so threatened by it that they would recoil in horror.

this seems patronsing to me. like Lacademon you say taht youa re able to think for yourself and are not threatened byit, but teh grate unwashed can't think for themself and are scarred of it.

this seems patronsing to me. like Lacademon you say taht youa re able to think for yourself and are not threatened byit, but teh grate unwashed can't think for themself and are scarred of it.
Not at all. It's based on over 61 years of observation that most people really do feel threatened by anything which challenges their preconcieved notions of how things are. Thinking ... really thinking, introduces uncertainty and forces an acceptance of change. This really, honestly frightens many people, some of them with considerable natural intellect.

Not at all. It's based on over 61 years of observation that most people really do feel threatened by anything which challenges their preconcieved notions of how things are. Thinking ... really thinking, introduces uncertainty and forces an acceptance of change. This really, honestly frightens many people, some of them with considerable natural intellect.

Maybe this is because educaton forces them to learn of facts and telss them 'this is the way the world is' when they a young, and so they are tauhgt taht the world is set in stone and cant be changed. They could be products of the educaton system you say is the job of the state.

You say it is the job of the state to teach peopel to answer the questions but I say the job of educaton shoud be to teech them to question the answears.

but at the same time all the assemblie lines in the west are being moved to the thrid world and so jobs and money are going abrored. Instead of nike paying an 8 year old in tailand to make shoes they could pay an 8 year old in EUrope or the US.
An inconvienent fact due to the existance of countries just entering the inductrialized status from an agrairian one (where sheer quanitity of labour was important). Soon enough, the 8 year olds in Thailand will be old enough to see their jobs threatened by their children, and will insist that the competition, ummm children, be sidelined in the education system for several years. The existance of 8 year old factory workers in Thailand only proves that education is not needed for the jobs.

An inconvienent fact due to the existance of countries just entering the inductrialized status from an agrairian one (where sheer quanitity of labour was important). Soon enough, the 8 year olds in Thailand will be old enough to see their jobs threatened by their children, and will insist that the competition, ummm children, be sidelined in the education system for several years. The existance of 8 year old factory workers in Thailand only proves that education is not needed for the jobs.

so why not mak,e the 8 year olds in teh west do work for charityor the commuuity instead? they are out from under trampling feet of there parents and are doing something useful than.

also industriazation in the rest of the world is meant to spread wealth - or this is big lie by gorevnments - so the older people in thailand will want to buy Nike shoes of their own and so someon will have to make them. Their jobs will not be taken away by the youngers one, instead there will be more sweetshops.

Maybe this is because educaton forces them to learn of facts and telss them 'this is the way the world is' when they a young, and so they are tauhgt taht the world is set in stone and cant be changed. They could be products of the educaton system you say is the job of the state.

You say it is the job of the state to teach peopel to answer the questions but I say the job of educaton shoud be to teech them to question the answears.
I tried for many years to get my estranged wife to think, spending hours each week explaining how to rexamine some of the things she believed ( such as "creationism" ). At one point she was even having problems sleeping because, as she put it, "My brain won't shut up!" In the end, she retreated into the certainty that fundamental protestantism offers rather than think for herself.

I taught my children to think for themselves, both by example and by instruction. Three of them learned to think quite well, and have little if any problem dealing with uncertainty and abiguity. Two of them fled into the false certainty offered by various belief systems.

People fear uncertainty and change, and thinking makes them confront both. Some will be able to cope with this but many won't.

I taught my children to think for themselves, both by example and by instruction. Three of them learned to think quite well, and have little if any problem dealing with uncertainty and abiguity. Two of them fled into the false certainty offered by various belief systems.

People fear uncertainty and change, and thinking makes them confront both. Some will be able to cope with this but many won't.

You say you taught your children to think for themself, but earlier you said 2Learning to think for yourself is your own responsibility." - who should be responsiple for teaching this - people themself, or parents, or the state?

Your wife was not a child when you tryed to teach her to think about things, yes? SO she may have had her mind set in stone by educaton, but your children were still yound and there brains had not sedimented with learning of facts.

BWO, u are so perfect. I luv you :):)

this thread rocks so much (just keep talking, Eutrusca ;))

BWO, u are so perfect. I luv you :):)

wHy are u mocking me?

You say you taught your children to think for themself, but earlier you said 2Learning to think for yourself is your own responsibility." - who should be responsiple for teaching this - people themself, or parents, or the state?

Your wife was not a child when you tryed to teach her to think about things, yes? SO she may have had her mind set in stone by educaton, but your children were still yound and there brains had not sedimented with learning of facts.
The primary function of parents in this entire process is essentially to give their children permission to think, rather than urging them to uncritically accept some pre-digested belief system. Not all chilren can do this, just as not all adults can accept thinking as part of their standard modus operandi.

The examples from my own family were only by way of illustration. For more information on this, take a look at many of the posters on here. Ask them what their political persuasion is and they will tell you things like "socialist" or "communist" or "conservative," etc. Very, very few will say that they think about the issues and try to avoid preconcieved notions.

Why do so many people fear homosexuals? Why do so many people believe that science is wrong about so many things like the age of the universe or how it came to be? Why do so many people advocate things like abortion or gun control or some sort of appeasement of tyrants? Usually it's not because they have actually thought these issues through and considered alternatives or consequences, but because they "feel" it's right or wrong.

wHy are u mocking me?

I am not mocking you, I am really really enjoying your posts. Completel honestly. It is great fun. Thank you very much.

Public schools discourage independent thought. They encourage people to act like sheep. Any child caught thinking differently is labeled a trouble maker. It's easier on the teachers if all the kids behve in the same cookie cutter fashion and don't step out of line.

The examples from my own family were only by way of illustration. For more information on this, take a look at many of the posters on here. Ask them what their political persuasion is and they will tell you things like "socialist" or "communist" or "conservative," etc. Very, very few will say that they think about the issues and try to avoid preconcieved notions.

But you still haven't explained why the job pof the state should be to teach facts rather than how to handle those facts and build things from them or question them. looking at posers on this forum doesnt help because we dont know why they libel themself in one way or an other or what kind of educaton they had.

Why do so many people believe that science is wrong about so many things like the age of the universe or how it came to be? Why do so many people advocate things like abortion or gun control or some sort of appeasement of tyrants? Usually it's not because they have actually thought these issues through and considered alternatives or consequences, but because they "feel" it's right or wrong.

Childern are taugt at school how to do the gestures of sciense - they may drop a ball and time it to measure tyhe speed of gravity or heat up chemicals in a test tub - but they are not taugt about how science works. They are not taugt about pardgims or falsficaton theorie are they? Peopel dont know why sciense does what it does and so they dont trust it any more than if I say to you there are more stars in glaxy than grains of sand on earth. YOu might ask me how I know this, and I could not answear. Science is taugt to children as a dumbshow. Tehy are taugt to do things in name of science but not why they are doing these things or what primtvie assumbtions are behind them,

so why not mak,e the 8 year olds in teh west do work for charityor the commuuity instead? they are out from under trampling feet of there parents and are doing something useful than.Because we (adults) need those jobs too. Look arround you, there is no shortage in industrialized nations caused by too little labour. We need more jobs, not the products from people working. also industriazation in the rest of the world is meant to spread wealth - or this is big lie by gorevnments - so the older people in thailand will want to buy Nike shoes of their own and so someon will have to make them. Their jobs will not be taken away by the youngers one, instead there will be more sweetshops.I guess so if this is what you are told. Industrialization in the rest of the world is happening, and is not intended for any reason. One of the benefits from industrialization is that industrialized societies produce all the goods they need with very little labour meaning an industrialized nation is wealthier than one in which 99% of all labour is dedicated to just barely making enough to survive. The problem, then, is to limit the size of the workforce so there are enough jobs to keep enough members of it occupied. When one gets to fully industrialized status the problem gets even worse; some keep the workforce occupied by limiting the numbers of hours worked by any one person, while others have a system of encourging overconsumption, and still others create meaningless non-productive jobs.

Because we (adults) need those jobs too. Look arround you, there is no shortage in industrialized nations caused by too little labour. We need more jobs, not the products from people working.

but where do jobs come from? teh 8 year olds making trainers do not grow up to own the factries. are the jobs crated by a specal elite who have had a diffrent educaton?

i agree education in this society is a huige waste of time. i might as well have entered the working world at age 5. for the most part its predetermined from early childhood who will fail and who will succeed. but this system that was established will only come back to bite itself in the ass. by being driven to succeed people alienate ourselves from eachother and our family and friends.

this is evident in how a large portion of our society views pregnancy as being an inconvenience. so we get an abortion so our pursuit of success remains uninterupted. because its better to go to college than be stuck at home with a kid or be stuck working a shitty jobn to support that kid.

i didnt have much time to form a better arguement now i must go to work.

BWO you are my hero.

Education has given me the skills I so desperately need in my life!
*burrrp*
Now I go back to watching M*A*S*H on paramount Comedy in my underpants.

Public schools discourage independent thought. They encourage people to act like sheep. Any child caught thinking differently is labeled a trouble maker. It's easier on the teachers if all the kids behve in the same cookie cutter fashion and don't step out of line.

Sorry, just to ask, what do you mean by public schools? Because in England, thanks to our great language ;) , a public school is in fact a private school you have to pay to get into.

but where do jobs come from? teh 8 year olds making trainers do not grow up to own the factries. are the jobs crated by a specal elite who have had a diffrent educaton?I don't understand the question at all. It is the nature of, well, nature. Bees have jobs, deer have jobs, plants have jobs and humans have jobs because that's the way things are. If you are thinking of the ordering of how jobs are distributed, the mechanism varies from society to society and job to job. There is no specially created elite making them, society in general creates them and various individuals create the means for individuals to take part in them. Society decides trainers would be a good way to soak up some of the workforce and poof, we get Nike manufacturing them and Footlocker selling them and Goldman Sachs is selling stock tips about them and Wieden&Kennedy is making ads for them and Consolidated Freightways is moving them - and millions of people now have jobs involving trainers. But there is a limit to how many jobs an industrialized society can make, even if we can talk people into buying a new pair of trainers every month.

But there is a limit to how many jobs an industrialized society can make, even if we can talk people into buying a new pair of trainers every month.

We could re-fight World War II, that soaked up just about all of the available labor.

Sorry, just to ask, what do you mean by public schools? Because in England, thanks to our great language ;) , a public school is in fact a private school you have to pay to get into.

Here public school is state school, but we don't call it state school because it isn't funded by the state it's funded by the local district. Private school is school that is publicly available, but privately owned. That should clear everything up, right?

We could re-fight World War II, that soaked up just about all of the available labor.

Na, this time it was deemed more economical to hire mercenaries at 100 times the price of the military. Just like Rome used to do when it was in decline because the leaders wanted to wage stupid wars, but the people didn't want to fight them.

But you still haven't explained why the job pof the state should be to teach facts rather than how to handle those facts and build things from them or question them. looking at posers on this forum doesnt help because we dont know why they libel themself in one way or an other or what kind of educaton they had.

Childern are taugt at school how to do the gestures of sciense - they may drop a ball and time it to measure tyhe speed of gravity or heat up chemicals in a test tub - but they are not taugt about how science works. They are not taugt about pardgims or falsficaton theorie are they? Peopel dont know why sciense does what it does and so they dont trust it any more than if I say to you there are more stars in glaxy than grains of sand on earth. YOu might ask me how I know this, and I could not answear. Science is taugt to children as a dumbshow. Tehy are taugt to do things in name of science but not why they are doing these things or what primtvie assumbtions are behind them,
And why do you think this is?

Childern are taugt at school how to do the gestures of sciense - they may drop a ball and time it to measure tyhe speed of gravity or heat up chemicals in a test tub - but they are not taugt about how science works. They are not taugt about pardgims or falsficaton theorie are they? Peopel dont know why sciense does what it does and so they dont trust it any more than if I say to you there are more stars in glaxy than grains of sand on earth. YOu might ask me how I know this, and I could not answear. Science is taugt to children as a dumbshow. Tehy are taugt to do things in name of science but not why they are doing these things or what primtvie assumbtions are behind them,

Despite what the arts department tells you, science is an interpretive process. You can only understand it by doing it. Teaching about "paradigms" and whether or not a theory can be "falisfied" is a waste of time.

Do you think Eisnstein, Newton or Darwin puzzled over those things. Of course not, it is just something for underemployed philisophers to waste their time with.

but where do jobs come from? teh 8 year olds making trainers do not grow up to own the factries. are the jobs crated by a specal elite who have had a diffrent educaton?
Jobs are created by those who are driven to invent or create or build, regardless of their intelligence, or lack thereof. Why do you suppose so many of those responsible for the "cyber-revolution" dropped out of college ( or never started college! ) to do so? Because they were motivated by other things than learning.

Material success in life has very little to do with how intelligent you are.

I don't understand the question at all. It is the nature of, well, nature. Bees have jobs, deer have jobs, plants have jobs and humans have jobs because that's the way things are.

A bee might have a job because they have diffrent castes like drones or workers or queens, but this kind of division of work doesnt happen with deers or plants. Deer are like huntergatherrs. Would you say that huntergathrers had jobs? if a deer has a job just because it is a deer, then the same should be true for a human being. you seem to be sayuing taht the job of a dear is to be a dear, but not that the job of a human is to be a human.

For some reason I am reminded of Riddley Walker.

For some reason I am reminded of Riddley Walker.

i will not blow myself up making gunpower.

that and public school is too obsessed with sports, they celebrate their athletes way before their gifted students!

Unless you are an intelligent student who has boosted the school as a whole in the municipal or state rankings, school administration is all a big rat race and yes, a factory for producing factory workers. Even college is getting that way, with the obsession over athletics.

Unless you are an intelligent student who has boosted the school as a whole in the municipal or state rankings, school administration is all a big rat race and yes, a factory for producing factory workers. Even college is getting that way, with the obsession over athletics.

in factries they want people who can sit, not peopel who can run or jump or swim

I can't keep this up any longer. Thanks and apologies all round. My posts on this thread may have been hell to read, I can assure you they were a joy to write. Now what was that saying about catching more flies with honey than vinegar?

BWO... Fucking brilliant. Fantastic.

*ships you a giant crate of cookies*

I can't keep this up any longer. Thanks and apologies all round. My posts on this thread may have been hell to read, I can assure you they were a joy to write. Now what was that saying about catching more flies with honey than vinegar?
No apoligies necessary. And, yes, they were hell to read ... and hell to keep from mentioning it.

I can't keep this up any longer. Thanks and apologies all round. My posts on this thread may have been hell to read, I can assure you they were a joy to write. Now what was that saying about catching more flies with honey than vinegar?

It was the riddlley walker comment, wasn't it? :)

It was a funny thread though, a pity you got tired.

It was the riddlley walker comment, wasn't it? :)

I think I dropped a few too many clues before you came up with that one. If anything I was aiming for the idiot at the start of The Sound And The Fury rather than Riddley Walker.

I think I dropped a few too many clues before you came up with that one. If anything I was aiming for the idiot at the start of The Sound And The Fury rather than Riddley Walker.

Ah, okeydokey.

It was the science as a dumbshow, and not knowing the primitive assumptions behind it that stuck in my mind.

Plus, I was hoping for an explosion.

Ah, okeydokey.

It was the science as a dumbshow, and not knowing the primitive assumptions behind it that stuck in my mind.

Plus, I was hoping for an explosion.

I thought the Blake line about the 'Tygers of wrath' would ring a few bells, or being able to spell 'panopticon' or 'automata' but not 'taught' or 'teach', or retelling a garbled version of Plato's myth of the cave.

I'm somewhat surprised that there wsn't an explosion - I now don't know whether to be entertained or appalled by the level of incompetence in basic writing, grammar and spelling skills which can pass almost entirely without comment here.

I'm somewhat surprised that there wsn't an explosion - I now don't know whether to be entertained or appalled by the level of incompetence in basic writing, grammar and spelling skills which can pass almost entirely without comment here.

Most of us already knew you though. So we also knew that you were doing that for effect. I would imagine had you created a puppet for this thread, you would have indeed recieved many comments about spelling and grammar.

But not from me.

Also, panopticon makes me think of Dr. Who.

Most of us already knew you though. So we also knew that you were doing that for effect. I would imagine had you created a puppet for this thread, you would have indeed recieved many comments about spelling and grammar.

Yeah, I had considered doing so, but thought I would just see if I could try and catch some of the people who weren't familiar with me already. Having said that, I still might create a semi-literate '15 year old' puppet - but then there seem to be quite enough nations like that around here already.

Also, panopticon makes me think of Dr. Who.

Even now, after all the films, when people talk about living in the Matrix I still think first of The Deadly Assassin.

Yeah, I had considered doing so, but thought I would just see if I could try and catch some of the people who weren't familiar with me already. Having said that, I still might create a semi-literate '15 year old' puppet - but then there seem to be quite enough nations like that around here already.

I think creating such a puppet is a good idea. (I am willing to bet though that someone will see through it however).

Even now, after all the films, when people talk about living in the Matrix I still think first of The Deadly Assassin.

Thank god I'm not the only one.

Thanks, not just for an entertaining thread, but also for the kick up the arse I need to go and read Riddley Walker (I've owned it for nearly a year).

Jobs in factries are being replaced by robots and compters and they cant think for themself. If you want to be a robot you dont need to think for yourself. The unexamind life is not worth living.

:rofl:

You pretend you can't spell "edukashon", but then you quote Socrates. :p