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http://www.tftw.org/Articles/science.html
Lol that was HALARIOUS I have not had that good of laugh in a while

You have GOT to be a troll right?

there avoiding it :)

Lol that was HALARIOUS I have not had that good of laugh in a while

You have GOT to be a troll right?lol whats you like that? See you say science disproves it but right there it proved it

However, Moses, by inspiration, gave us those scientific principles in Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning" --God; "created" -- energy; "the heavens" --space; "and the earth" -- matter. All of Spencer's scientific principles are right there in Genesis 1:1.


"In the beginning" --kitchen "God" --a cook "created" --oven "the heavens" --fruit "and the earth" --cake. Hey! All the ingredients for fruitcake are right there in Genesis 1:1! I guess this means the Bible is 100% correct!

The Bible begins with these words. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

thats all I needed to read, the idea of CREATING matter already goes against science

you like that any?

lol whats you like that? See you say science disproves it but right there it proved it

LOL, that was hilarious to read. Just amazing how it skips out that there is complete lack of any evidence for your creation and deluge nonsense? And on the contrary, the tons of evidence that earth (and the universe) is billions of years old and that life evolved from a common ancestor?

Ah, that was funny. Good stuff. But hey, if it fills your life, why not. There's nothing anyone here can say to convince you otherwise.

On the whole "blood" thing though...I sincerely doubt that we didn't know that not enough blood=death. I think its more accurate to say that we didn't know why, but any idiot could notice that (for example):

Lamb with cut throat bleeds
Lamb with cut throat dies

Anyway, I look forward to the amusing slaughtering of that website.

"In the beginning" --kitchen "God" --a cook "created" --oven "the heavens" --fruit "and the earth" --cake. Hey! All the ingredients for fruitcake are right there in Genesis 1:1! I guess this means the Bible is 100% correct!

Lmao. Nice.

Common, you dont seriously believe this tomfoolery? Its just misinterpreting the words from the bible and making them seem like science. You can do the same with anything, even a Dr. Suess book.

LOL, that was hilarious to read. Just amazing how it skips out that there is complete lack of any evidence for your creation and deluge nonsense? And on the contrary, the tons of evidence that earth (and the universe) is billions of years old and that life evolved from a common ancestor?whoa thats wierd http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/earth.html

Thanks for the link, Ffc2. It's always helpful to get the scientific opinions of a high school sophomore.

^ LOL thanks im not in high school yet

whoa thats wierd http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/earth.html

And the hits just keep on coming. I'm not gonna spend the time and energy to disprove all of the crap i just read. I have better things to do, and plus, there is no challenge. Its amazing how ignorant people are.

whoa thats wierd http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/earth.html

ROTF, that's hilarious too! That bunch of pseudoscientific nonsense is just amazing. :D

Each of those ten points is null and void, i can assure you!

Note: it seems you continously have fallen prey to Creationist propaganda...

Thanks for that, it brightened my day

And the hits just keep on coming. I'm not gonna spend the time and energy to disprove all of the crap i just read. I have better things to do, and plus, there is no challenge. Its amazing how ignorant people are.well if it is "crap" then science has made that therefore the logic behind science is crap

^ LOL thanks im not in high school yet

Hence your youthful ignorance. Try not to accept all of the propaganda that falls in your lap. Thats how Hitler came to power. :rolleyes:

whoa thats wierd http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/earth.html

:D Keep those links coming. Do you have any that answer the question about dinosaurs? Or any that prove the earth is flat? Is smoking healthy?

They are time, force, energy, space, and matter. However, Moses, by inspiration, gave us those scientific principles in Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning" --God; "created" -- energy; "the heavens" --space; "and the earth" -- matter. All of Spencer's scientific principles are right there in Genesis 1:1.

WTF?! Created doesn't mean energy in any definition I know, by space he is referring to a vaccum, which heaven hopefully isn't (if it is, that would 'suck' XD), and earth is far from the only example of matter. Also, in the beginning refers to a chronological order, but time was kind of accepted by that point, regardless of whether one followed the bible - time simply is. Where did force go, I wonder?

God was telling Abraham that just as the stars in the heavens cannot be numbered, Abraham's descendants would be more than could be numbered. If man had paid attention to this verse, he would never have tried to count the stars! Another example of how science and the Bible agree relates to the blood in our bodies. Man now knows that blood is necessary for survival. If our bodies lose too much blood, we will die. However, man did not discover this principle until the 19th century. Before that time, blood-letting was practiced, and many died because draining blood from their bodies drained the very source of life. George Washington, the first President of the United States, is said to have died in this way.


Look at the sky. Can you count them all? No? Then they are uncountable. That took great observation, neh? Same with the blood. Ok, so the bible includes things that are true - it didn't tell them before they were common sense, nor does including some truth make it fact. Otherwise, because Minesota exists, the Abarat series must be truth too, right? And there is definately a huge sea in the middle of mainland America? Since, after all, America existed, as did Napoleon, the Tales of Alvin Maker must be truth!

Also, about Washington: Washington enjoyed less than three years of retirement at Mount Vernon, for he died of a throat infection December 14, 1799. For months the Nation mourned him. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/gw1.html

And a for the blood thing - bloodletting was not practiced because they though blood was useless, they just didn't know how it worked. They sought to remove the bad blood and keep the good, since obvioulsy some was needed for life, but also obviously, you can survive loosing some. Oh, and its biggest proponents? CHRISTIANS.

I'm out of time, but the rest is equally stupid!

Funny. It's not suprising some guy writing in Palestine in 60 AD could give accurate descriptions of the region in a book about a tiny sect he belonged to.

dinosaurs are in the bible check the book of job chapter 40 i think

http://www.tftw.org/Articles/science.html

That's really, really sad.

Another example of how science and the Bible agree relates to the blood in our bodies. Man now knows that blood is necessary for survival. If our bodies lose too much blood, we will die. However, man did not discover this principle until the 19th century. Before that time, blood-letting was practiced, and many died because draining blood from their bodies drained the very source of life. George Washington, the first President of the United States, is said to have died in this way.

Man didn't discover that you could bleed to death until the 19th century? I'm sorry, but this didn't tip you off immediately that this guy is a fruitcake?

In the book of Job, the inspired writer in one verse reveals two scientific principles not known to man until much later. "He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing" (Job. 26:7). There is a place in the North where no stars exist , which cannot be seen with the naked eye.

Umm... what? What planet does the guy writing this live on anyway?

How did the writer of Job know this?

Maybe he was also from the planet where the conditions described by this person exist at some point in it's northern hemisphere... but that planet isn't earth.

Also, the same verse declares that God hangs the earth on nothing. We know this is true, but we have only known it for about 350 years. God's inspired writer told us over 3000 years ago that the earth is held in place by gravitational forces!

How exactly does "hanging on nothing" equate to "orbitting the sun because of gravitational attraction"?

And people have known about currents for as long as people have had freaking boats. I'm not even going to bother quoting that part.

Many archaeologists have explored the land of Palestine. Has any one of those scientists ever discovered anything which disproves the Bible? No.

As long as you don't take the bible literally of course. The flood has been disproven. With vigor. And the whole "killed all the firstborn sons of egypt" thing... no evidence it ever happened. Oh, the apparent eclipse during the crucifiction in Matthew? Sorry, another swing and a miss.

The only thing this little essay is good for is chuckle value.

Oh, forgot one more thing. Energy doesn't get "created." In any of its forms. Neither does matter. They're the laws of conservation of matter and energy. If you think you can prove Isaac Newton and his peers wrong, let me know.

dinosaurs are in the bible check the book of job chapter 40 i think

To your information, the leviathan was a crocodile, and the behemoth was a hippopotamus. Description is very accurate. Also, dinosaurs never lived in the middle east. The arabian peninsula was a shallow sea at the time of the Dinosaurs.

Oh hey, and i forgot to mention, Dinosaurs died out some 65 million years ago... :D

dinosaurs are in the bible check the book of job chapter 40 i think

I haven't got a bible. What does it say?

Can you pull in the leviathon with a fishhook?

http://www.tftw.org/Articles/science.html
Wow. The guy who wrote that is an idiot.

As is the one who does not believe

Can you pull in the leviathon with a fishhook?

Counter question: if the bible was right, we should be finding tons of skeletal remains of the Nephelim (that race of giants briefly mentioned in Genesis 1.6) because they were (supposedly) wiped out in the deluge.

However, that has not happened. Instead we found whales with legs, and feathered dinosaurs and that stuff. Funny huh?

And even funnier, no Creationist around here has dared to touch that delicate topic so far... :D

And we should find bear skelotons but we dont

thats all I needed to read, the idea of CREATING matter already goes against science

Ergo the idea of the big bang goes against science?

Can you pull in the leviathon with a fishhook?

Is that what it says?

^ LOL thanks im not in high school yet
I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the author of the article you linked. Hopefully when you get into high school, you'll do well enough that you'll realize what an idiot this guy was.

And we should find bear skelotons but we dont

LOL, what about bear skeletons? I happen to know that there are plenty of bear fossils from the Pleistocene of Europe. I even saw a complete specimen from the Czech Republic. So, what about them?

Counter question: if the bible was right, we should be finding tons of skeletal remains of the Nephelim (that race of giants briefly mentioned in Genesis 1.6) because they were (supposedly) wiped out in the deluge.

However, that has not happened. Instead we found whales with legs, and feathered dinosaurs and that stuff. Funny huh?

And even funnier, no Creationist around here has dared to touch that delicate topic so far... :Dw8 1.6 oh the verse that says And God said "Let there be a expanse between the waters to separate the waters from the waters

Is that what it says?yeah

And we should find bear skelotons but we dont
Erm... yes, we do. Quite a few. Though never on the same level as dinosaurs, mmmh... I wonder why...

w8 1.6 oh the verse that says And God said "Let there be a expanse between the waters to separate the waters from the waters

Oops, my mistake, i meant Genesis 6.1

The only thing in this thread that made me laugh harder than reading the article was this post:
"In the beginning" --kitchen "God" --a cook "created" --oven "the heavens" --fruit "and the earth" --cake. Hey! All the ingredients for fruitcake are right there in Genesis 1:1! I guess this means the Bible is 100% correct!

yeah

Pretty weak evidence. "Can you pull the leviathan with a fishhook" ? :rolleyes: We've got pretty big stuff in the sea, whales, killer-whales...etc.
People have been making up all sorts of giants for years... Loch Ness...etc

Come on now, the stuff you're posting is far from scientific. I could do the same with a childrens story.

In 1820 A.D. a man named Hubert Spencer gave the world five scientific principles by which man may study the unknown. They are time, force, energy, space, and matter. However, Moses, by inspiration, gave us those scientific principles in Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning" --God; "created" -- energy; "the heavens" --space; "and the earth" -- matter. All of Spencer's scientific principles are right there in Genesis 1:1.
This isn't even a scientific theory. For one thing, I've never heard of this "theoty" before, but to say that god, energy, space and matter are scientific principles is sheer idiocy.

For many years man has estimated the number of stars in the heavens, and he has increased the estimate many times. Finally, in the 1900's, man determined that the stars could not be counted. God's book has always told us this fact. Notice Genesis 15:5. "Then He brought him outside and said, Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them. And He said to him, So shall your descendants be."
Common sense. In those days, without artificial lighting, the stars would appear even more numerous than they do now. It would be very much impossible to count them. I also note that this is poorly researched as the man in question who discovered that the stars could not be counted is not even mentioned by name.

Another example of how science and the Bible agree relates to the blood in our bodies. Man now knows that blood is necessary for survival. If our bodies lose too much blood, we will die. However, man did not discover this principle until the 19th century. Before that time, blood-letting was practiced, and many died because draining blood from their bodies drained the very source of life. George Washington, the first President of the United States, is said to have died in this way.
And the bible isn't the only source that states that blood is important for life. Furthermore, no real proof is brought for the assertion that people didn't know that blood helped you live...
The author then goes on to make an unfounded assumption, that this could only be known if god had revealed it, while it is entirely possible that this was well known at the time and the knowledge was lost along the way (it happened with calculus, afterall, the dark ages were a shitty place for scientific progress)

In the book of Job, the inspired writer in one verse reveals two scientific principles not known to man until much later. "He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing" (Job. 26:7). There is a place in the North where no stars exist , which cannot be seen with the naked eye. How did the writer of Job know this? Also, the same verse declares that God hangs the earth on nothing. We know this is true, but we have only known it for about 350 years. God's inspired writer told us over 3000 years ago that the earth is held in place by gravitational forces!
The bolded part, aside from demonstrating poor proof reading, is bullshit. Where the hell are there no stars visible with the naked eye? Furthermore, even if there was, there are most likely stars visible with a telescope. And if you are saying that there aren't any stars somewhere up north, all you need is to have one person from a village who has travelled a bit tell you as much, and even then, there are stars everywhere... so the passage is wrong... if the author's interpretation even made sense in the first place.

Man, that was half the essay, I'm not going to bother with the rest.

I'm not going to dismiss your faith. I would just like to point out that there's absolutely no scientific evidence of anything in either of those articles.

^ LOL thanks im not in high school yet

Umm, just out of curiosity, how old are you? You don't seem to be exactly ... umm... well-educated. :D

"In the beginning" --kitchen "God" --a cook "created" --oven "the heavens" --fruit "and the earth" --cake. Hey! All the ingredients for fruitcake are right there in Genesis 1:1! I guess this means the Bible is 100% correct!


HAHAHAHA!!! That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

Any fool can argue hat the bible supports something, like this guy, who uses it to 'provide evidence' in favor of the geocentric theory. http://www.geocentricbible.com/ Using religious texts to explain natural phenomenon just doesn't work.

As is the one who does not believe
Oh yes, aren't you so witty.

There was almost as much science involved in those articles as in my sons literature class. The one in kindergarten I mean.

thats all I needed to read, the idea of CREATING matter already goes against science
The bang is just a singularity, an infinitesimally small space with an infinite density. Some religious folk would say that the law that matter cannot be created or destroyed is just a property of the universe that God created, so I't wouldn't defy the laws of science. It's not that I believe this is the case, it's just an arguement.

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Apart from all the obvious misinterpretations and faulty science in that article, you may also notice that the site hosting the article isn't exactly unbiased in the matter.

As funny as this article is, I also pity the author and anyone who believes him and his lack of scientific knowledge. Anyone who has any basic grasp of science could tell that this guy has probably never been to a science class in his life.

And we should find bear skelotons but we dont

Danger: Reading the above "bear skeloton" post can cause a brain embolism, much in the same way a piece of sand in an oyster is so irritating, the mollusk must protect itself by forming a pearl.

Also, remmeber that Ffc2 made the stunning boast that he would dispel everybody's scriptural paradoxes in his "Bible Contradictions" thread, (despite even doctoral theologians spending their lives on this issue and bragging in no such way). He ignored quite a few reasonable postings on that thread, even before it became quite large.

In Vegas, kids get together and "talk smack" about their import compact racing cars, insisting they can defeat all comers. Usually, they're driving an 89 Honda Civic DX with no mods other than an ugly, loud exhaust. I wonder if Ffc2 just isn't old enough to drive yet...

If you look carefully at the bootom of the page, some of you may have noticed this part



Apart from all the obvious misinterpretations and faulty science in that article, you may also notice that the site hosting the article isn't exactly unbiased in the matter.

As funny as this article is, I also pity the author and anyone who believes him and his lack of scientific knowledge. Anyone who has any basic grasp of science could tell that this guy has probably never been to a science class in his life.

Got to love when people with a vested interest in proving a topic to be right make articles to prove their point. I trust his articles as much as I trust early tobacco companies' reports on what health hazards smoking caused.

whoa thats wierd http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/earth.html

When I stopped laughing I decided to poke some holes in this morons "science".

1. Planetary dust (perhaps the writer was sniffing some "planetary" dust)

The argument that planetary dust would build up in the oceans completely ignores one central part of geology. That dust reaches the bottom of the ocean or is washed up upon the shore and becomes sediment. That sediment becomes rocks, which we find as a part of our world... Wow... this is off to a good start... But... Onward ho...

2. Whirlwind tour of the Earth-Moon system

The argument he makes has one gaping flaw. The speed at which the moon would move away from the earth would not remain a constant. If it moves away 2 inches a year now, 5 billion years ago, it wouldn't be moving away at so fast a rate. Doubt it? The force of gravity holding the moon in place when it was closer would have been stronger, causing it to move away less. This writer must be a 6th grader... This is absolute bullshit.

3. Magnetic Bullshit\

Huh? It would be nice if I had a clue what the hell he was trying to say. Really... What the hell does this mean?

4. Eroding Logic

Um... yes... Erosion is a constant, however, so are volcanic action and plate techtonics. Disingenuous of him no?

5. Full of hot air.

Elemental Physics aren't my thing I'll leave this to someone else.

6. Burnin Up

If this guy didn't bother to comprehend the lifetime of a star, I don't need to enlighten him. More so, what is 5 feet now, would not have been 5 feet then, since the sun would be bigger. It must be so inconvenient that the volume of a sphere that increases five feet in diameter when it is smaller will grow the same amount as if a larger star were to have a lesser increase in diameter. Geometry my dear watson...

7. Starlight, starbright, first star that forms tonight.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Stars don't form in a day...

8. A Matter of Little Gravity

I failed to find evidence of this "discovery" on anything other than creationist sites. Evidence would be nice.

unfortunantly, I'mm being drawn away from my computer so I can't finish this.

lol whats you like that? See you say science disproves it but right there it proved it
I like it because it was laughable it proved nothing they were a bunch of unsuported claims on one page most of them not even close to the truth

it has to be a joke page right?

Check this with science.

Kill this with fire.

Wow, we gotta find the authors of those pages. Anyone who could manage to weave their minds around like that, and totally ignore logic and science, has got to be able to write some great fantasy books. I mean in Middle Earth the world worked by magic too.