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We all know that internet forums are lacking in terms of quality debate. Post a thread on the existance of god, evolution, abortion, gay marriage, or several other issues, and it is automatically doomed to ad hominem attacks and a plague of logical fallicies. My idea is that we have an antidebate, the goal is to make the most ridiculous and ironic logical fallicies possible. The rules for this antidebate will be:
1. An antidebator may "argue" either side of an issue, regardless of his/her actual beliefs. (He/she may also make an "argument" for one side then make another "argument" for the other side.
2. Before making his/her first post on a particular topic an antidebator is encouraged (but not required) to state his/her actual belief on the issue and the side for which he she will be "arguing."
3. No post concerning any issue shall be serious. If an argument contains no obviously apparent logical fallicies it shall be considered off-topic.
4. Although this is an antidebate flaming and or flame bating shall not be allowed. (Ad hominem agruements are encouraged so long as they are in jest.)
5. The side which makes the most numerous and most ridiculous logical fallicies shall be considered the winner of the debate.

The first topic up for debate is:
Does God exist?

I disagree. :D :D :D :D

I vote other

My actual belief is that God does exist. I shall be "arguing" in favor of God's existance.

Statement: God exists.
Argument 1. Since God ought to exist and since God is all-good, God desires to exist.
2. Since God is all-powerful God is able to exist.
Conclusion Therefore, because God has both the desire and ability to exist, God exists.
:D

i'm an atheist

of course god exists, if he didn't, where did *I* come from? sure you could say "new jersey" but you would be WRONG. the existance of something as magnificent as ME requires an intelligent creator (one that could never exist in new jersey)

My actual belief is that God does exist. I shall be "arguing" in favor of God's existance.

Statement: God exists.
Argument 1. Since God ought to exist and since God is all-good, God desires to exist.
2. Since God is all-powerful God is able to exist.
Conclusion Therefore, because God has both the desire and ability to exist, God exists.
:D

Statement You're wrong.
Justification Because I said so.
Evidence to Support Justification I'm always right.
Reiteration and Conclusion God does not exist.

god exists because the bible says so...and i beleive in the bible, because i have seen one!!!!!!

The reason the existence of God is always questioned, is because of the lack of miracles happening today.

Seriously.. If there we're more healings, casting out of demons, revelations and forewarn of the future.. Etc. Then Christianity would be alot more credible.

Where has it all gone? Or has those things really been happening and we've just considered them looney?

god exists because the bible says so...

Oh, oh, you're going to get nailed for that one..hahaha :D

God exists because God is dog backwards so..............wait.....where was i going with this again? :confused:

Yes
He appeared to me in a dream and said "No longer shall I accept the crappy debates on the Nationstates Forum. Go forth and debate upon the antidebate thread so that I may take my mind of those who take the Bible literally instead of a guide, and argue poorly on my behalf."
"Spread the word of the thread so i may ignore those shocking arguements on my existence, and focus upon other things like sorting out those damn commie North Koreans."

God exists because God is dog backwards so..............wait.....where was i going with this again? :confused:

uhm, if a dog exists so does god? makes sense to me ;)

Why isn't anyone reading my post? :(

I think I just need more attention. Time to go disturb the neighbours dog. The little bastard been barking all day all night.

uhm, if a dog exists so does god? makes sense to me ;)
sounds about right

god exists because the bible says so...and i beleive in the bible, because i have seen one!!!!!!

I have seen pink elephants and purple giraffes and Astroboy, but they do not exist
argument invalid
Now let's all throw our heads back and laugh

I have seen pink elephants and purple giraffes and Astroboy, but they do not exist
argument invalid
Now let's all throw our heads back and laugh

Never doubt the pink elephant dude, never = http://www.totalformat.com/forum/images/smilies/elefant.gif

I HAVE SEEN GOD WITH MY OWN TWO EYES!!!

Granted, my severe crack addiction may have had something to do with my hallucinagenic state, but still; God is indeed a man, he looks alot like a mix between Mean Joe Green and Jason Alexander (George from Seinfeld, not Britney's ex husband) He speaks 11 languages, four of which use the body for communication. He claims the Bible is untrue, his son actually lives happily in Hoboken, New Jersey. The son, named Jervis, easily confused with Jesus, does not perform miracles, but is a rather large douche bag, and he and God don't talk much anymore. God hates midgets and says those are creations of Buddha, who is indeed his next door neighbor in the Sahara. Yes, the Sahara, not heaven, nay, he says the price of real estate went up as soon as lawyers came about and well he just wasn't willing to waste his life savings on such a feeble investment. He plays online videogames under the name pig_stave and likes to watch the sand blow across the dunes. After my encounter with God, I woke up in an alley somewhere near East Baghdad.

God can't exist because if he would, I would be his son but I have a dad, so no cigar

God can't exist because if he would, I would be his son but I have a dad, so no cigar

Your adopted!
Argument diffused

I have seen pink elephants and purple giraffes and Astroboy, but they do not exist
argument invalid
Now let's all throw our heads back and laugh

I know pink elephants exist! I saw a real live one one the internet!

http://www.mewsic.com/Gallerie/elephant50.jpg

God can't exist because if he would, I would be his son but I have a dad, so no cigar

You couldnt be gods son, because your legless.... thats all there is to it....

You couldnt be gods son, because your legless.... thats all there is to it....
SHHH, he doesn't remember the accident, only the pain.

Everyone knows that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existance of God. However, God can do lots of things that are impossible. I am in fact God. Therefore I can prove that I exist. QED.

SHHH, he doesn't remember the accident, only the pain.


oh, bumber

Everyone knows that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existance of God. However, God can do lots of things that are impossible. I am in fact God. Therefore I can prove that I exist. QED.

Did you not read my story, you do not look like Mean Joe Green, nor Jason Alexander.
YOU ARE AN IMPOSTER!!

Did you not read my story, you do not look like Mean Joe Green, nor Jason Alexander.
YOU ARE AN IMPOSTER!!

No, both of them are imposters pretending to be me.

Well then, I guess I'll just hafta call on Voltron for help with this. God does indeed exist, and he is not you, IMPOSTER, but still for the time being you can be him, because I'd rather have you leading the religious world than the New Pope, and funnily, I have the pope's email, yes really, the pope, his email, I got.

what is it?

I am, in fact, God's father. And since I have a son, he does exist. Jesus isn't related though. :p

pope.groovy@disco_fever.vatican.eu

I refuse! I protest! I dance shamefully! For I am God on Earth and you shall bow to my whims!

http://www.earth-history.com/_images/GOD.jpg

Oogie boogie!
see, i told you he existed

"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'

"`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'

"`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic. "



-Douglas Adams from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

what is it?

benedictxvi@vatican.va

This is silly.
God obviously exists.
Think about it. If God doesn't exist, it means that the evolutionists are right, and dinosaurs exist.
And, come on, big flying dinosaurs? Flying is impossible! You get closer to the sun, and it warms you up to a million degrees, and you die. Which is why planes can't fly higher than 500 feet.
And even if flying was possible, flying reptiles? Godzilla can't fly!
And Godzilla is obviously the best dinosaur, because he beats the crap out of Tokyo every two weeks.

In conclusion, since I can create life by thinking about women while sleeping, I obviously am God and the Pope, resembling Darth Sidius, is actually evidence that Lucas is Jesus.

What if there was a God who created elememts to make the Big bang?

Religion and science could have interacted together

What if there was a God who created elememts to make the Big bang?

Religion and science could have interacted together

what if the elements of the big bang created god?

well there is obviously a god:
1) i like waffles
2) i lost my syrup for my waffles
3) someone must have stolen it
4) no one could steal my syrup because of my magic syrup protection system
5) god must have done it

also, i found another bottle of syrup in the fridge so god must have created it

well there is obviously a god:
1) i like waffles
2) i lost my syrup for my waffles
3) someone must have stolen it
4) no one could steal my syrup because of my magic syrup protection system
5) god must have done it

also, i found another bottle of syrup in the fridge so god must have created it

your logic amazes me :) You are a true scientist/theologian/philospher...

Contrary to all of you as well as previous stories my crack ridden mind may have concocted, I am God, here is proof:
1. I killed Vin Diesel
2. I elected the Pope, only to kill him with natural causes in 3 years, forcing the election of a Latino Pope
3. Godzilla is a pet which I was given and flushed down the toilet at the beginning of time.
4. I am in History Class
5. I live in Puerto Rico, where the only thing hotter than the temperature, are the women.
6. I live on the beach.
7. My apartment address is 1-A (First in numbers and letters)
8. My girl wants to party all the time (I wrote that song, Rick James didn't have shit on me, he stole it from my locker at the gym)
9. I am your father (Legless Pirates, I am also your mother, I was experimenting)
10. My ring tone is Down and Out by Cam'ron and Kanye West.

There are more, and I will post them later.

You couldnt be gods son, because your legless.... thats all there is to it....
No I'm not. I haven't had a drop to drink

I can prove I am Satan:
1. When it is sunny, my skin goes red then turns brown. See? God's rays reveal my Satanic skin briefly before I can hide it!
2. If you play a recording of me saying "doG etah I, nataS ma I" backwards, there is a hidden, occult meaning that proves I am Satan!
3. I have fingers. SATAN HAS FINGERS!
4. I have never read anything from the bible. I must be eeevil.
5. If you cut me, I bleed warm, red blood. What else is red and warm? Hell, my dominion!!!

Quad Erat Demonstrandum

EDIT: also:
6. I like heavy metal. The music of Satan. Come on people, work with me here!

Alright, very unproductive and meaningless stuff, just what I was going for, (not sarcastic, seriously). Keep it up. The next issue up for debate will be:
Evolution vs Creation

My personal belief on the subject is in favor of evolution. I will be arguing for creationism.

Now I've been in these type of Creation vs. evolution debates before, so I'm pretty experienced. Well, in one of these debates my opponent mathematically "proved," through calculus, that evolution did occur. The argument was very logical, but he forgot one thing. CALCULUS IS ONLY A THEOREM. We can't just blindly believe any theorem that any mathematician comes up with. Then we would believe in all kinds of crazy things, like the sum of the squares of the legs equals the square of the hypotenuse in a right triangle. And on top of that Calculus is based on a FUNDAMENTAL THEOREM. And you evolutionists call me a fundamentalist. What a double standard!!!
:D :D :D

Versus (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000095J2Y/qid=1114560847/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-8687170-4651128?v=glance&s=dvd)

Evolution is t3h correct coz I am t3h 1337 h4x0r0r!1!!!11!!oneeleven+shift El Oh El. I will h4x j00 if j00 think i am teh wr0ngz0r!

Because: What did the batter say when there were runners on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?
All your base are belong to us!

Now let's all throw our heads back and laugh
No. I'm not throwing your head back, I want to keep it.

Back to the subject...
Creationism must be true! Because evolution is CLEARLY Satanic in origin.
Don't believe me? Pick up any biology textbook and read the small print.
Or look for this logo:
http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/leres/images/linkingtothisimagedoesnotworkyouidiot.gif

If you see it, it might be too late! You've most likely already been brainwashed by evolutionist thugs!

Evolution is t3h correct coz I am t3h 1337 h4x0r0r!1!!!11!!oneeleven+shift El Oh El. I will h4x j00 if j00 think i am teh wr0ngz0r!

Because: What did the batter say when there were runners on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?
All your base are belong to us!

What if there was a God who created elememts to make the Big bang?

Religion and science could have interacted together

That is called Deism - He provided for everything and let the system work. He's got the copyright!

That is called Deism - He provided for everything and let the system work. He's got the copyright!

so if GOd built the system, then fighting the system is heretical, and hence all hippies/socialists are evil.

Nobody expects the Spainish Inquistion, and no-one expected the Head Inquisitor as Pope.

No. I'm not throwing your head back, I want to keep it.

Back to the subject...
Creationism must be true! Because evolution is CLEARLY Satanic in origin.
Don't believe me? Pick up any biology textbook and read the small print.
Or look for this logo:
http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/leres/images/linkingtothisimagedoesnotworkyouidiot.gif

If you see it, it might be too late! You've most likely already been brainwashed by evolutionist thugs!

C'mon I need it more than you, although I have got two movie roles, and offers from Oprah and Jerry Springer.

We evolved no doubt. I mean really, how else could we have so much in common with the sabre tooth tiger? I mean, look at the similarities:
1. Hair, can be black or white.
2. Eyes
3. Tail (if you don't have one you are a FREAK)
4. The love of the hunt
5. Limbs
6. Siberia, due to the fact that we can live there too.
7. Both are closely related to the ever elusive chocolate laborador.

We evolved no doubt. I mean really, how else could we have so much in common with the sabre tooth tiger? I mean, look at the similarities:
1. Hair, can be black or white.
2. Eyes
3. Tail (if you don't have one you are a FREAK)
4. The love of the hunt
5. Limbs
6. Siberia, due to the fact that we can live there too.
7. Both are closely related to the ever elusive chocolate laborador.
You're argument is complete nonsense! Logic behind previous statement: I am a superior being than you because I have gmail and I'm a member of the Wikipedia. Therefore all of you're arguments are idiocy and all of mine are pure logical genius. (Since you are an inferior being, however, you cannot understand this genius.)
So when you say:
While evolution is not provable, it can be shown, through scienctific evidence, that it is highly probable that living organisms evolved into their current form. Such evidence includes the similarities, both aparent (humans have the general bone structure of primates.) and genetic (this evidence is absolutely massive as humans have 70% similar DNA to organisms as different from us as corn.) Also, paleontological studies have found several extinct species that could have given rise to the extant species we see today. So, while evolution isn't as provable as math or physics, it is entirely good science and should thus be believed.
It is absolutely halarious how ignorant you can be!
And when I say:
Of course evolution didn't happen or else the sky would be yellow.
It is an absolute work of scientific and philosophical genius, which your inferior mental capacity restricts you from underestanding.

Of course evolution didn't happen or else the sky would be yellow.In the immortal words of Chris Morris: "You're wrong, and you're a grotesquely ugly freak".

As for the existence of God, assign a numeric value to each letter (A = 1, B = 2, etc) as follows:

G = 7
O = 15
D = 4

7 + 15 + 4 = 28 (where the RHS is expressed in base 9)

2 + 8 = 10

1 + 0 = 1

One. The One. And what's an anagram of 'one'? Neo! Clearly Neo is the Messiah sent by God to free us from the machines. Open your eyes and believe!

Allright, this topic is moving really slow. Let's switch to gay marraige.

In the immortal words of Chris Morris: "You're wrong, and you're a grotesquely ugly freak".

As for the existence of God, assign a numeric value to each letter (A = 1, B = 2, etc) as follows:

G = 7
O = 15
D = 4

7 + 15 + 4 = 28 (where the RHS is expressed in base 9)

2 + 8 = 10

1 + 0 = 1

One. The One. And what's an anagram of 'one'? Neo! Clearly Neo is the Messiah sent by God to free us from the machines. Open your eyes and believe!

But in the world of unix 1 is an error code (and 1 = false it many programing languages)

Combining god and evolution

ARGUMENT FROM CREATION
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable
(3) Therefore, God exists.

God exsists cause we exsist.
Thereby we exsisting we thought of God as our creator and so He was and did.

It's like the matrix only not paying Keeanu Reeves a hundred million dollars to say "wo".

*Enhanced really bad spelling brought to you by the letter '7'*

Gossh, gaays are hte sickessd becuz GOD saies, and so doos mi preest. In the Biibel, GOD blew the Sodom up and No putt teh aninals in the arc. U're goon 2 HECK!

God exsists cause we exsist.
Thereby we exsisting we thought of God as our creator and so He was and did.

It's like the matrix only not paying Keeanu Reeves a hundred million dollars to say "wo".
THATS THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVVER HEARRRD!!!111!!!


p.s. (geting into the ad-hominim part of the antidebate)

*Enhanced really bad spelling brought to you by the letter '7'*

Gossh, gaays are hte sickessd becuz GOD saies, and so doos mi preest. In the Biibel, GOD blew the Sodom up and No putt teh aninals in the arc. U're goon 2 HECK!
*enhanced spelling and punctuation brought to you by the letter 'joint'*

BUT!1! thaats nt wht myye religioun sayies!!!11!!

I'm in favor of gay marriage. I will be arguing against it.

Earlier this year the Supreme Court decided to that laws against hosexual sex are unconstitutional. That's fine. It really is none of the governments buissiness. But this sick idea of married homosexual sex, it's just disgusting.

Legalise Gay marriage!!?!! what rubbish !!!!!!!!11!!! A hundred years ago homosexuality was punishable by death, 50 years ago it was punishable by jail, now its legal!???!! I'm migrating before they make it compusory!!!!111

I know I stole that joke from somewhere but i cant remember where.

Gay marriage? Isn't all marriage gay, read the dictionary. Therefore, we should illegalize all marraige for the sake of "equality".

Gay marriage has to be illegal as our legal system and constitution inherently and undeniably require that for any legal contract to be drawn up between two individuals these two have to have opposite genders.

I'd like to quote my bible:

"Thou shall not marry a member of the same gender. Unless thou art a woman, if thou shalt have feelings for another woman, thou mayst act how thou wisheth, only if thou has a camera of moving images."
John 4:12

See, if God says no, then duh, we can't have it, plus, next thing they will want to marry animals. I'll be the first to admit, nothing turns me on more than a pig rolling in the mud, but seriously, how can we allow marriage if the other half doesn't even have opposable thumbs.

Gay marriage, involving more than one person of the same sentient species, is unacceptable.