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What might have happened if the US had gone isolationist again after WWII, like it did after WWI, and withdrawn from Europe (ignoring Asia for the moment)?
Would the USSR have overrun the rest of Europe?
If so, would Europe still be under their thumb?

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communism

and a slump in the sale of jeans

Kinda the same if your mother walked out on you and your dad. You'd be kinda screwed over and your dad will assume the whole responsibility.

Mom = America
Dad = U.S.S.R.
You = World

The entire world, minus the US(because of nuclear weapons), would be under communist control. The communist nations, after taking over the world, would become less militaristic(Because there would be nobody to fight against, except the US, but the US would be isolationist, and the nations could rely on massive retaliation against US), and the communist nations would quickly go up in quality of life, though technology would be much lower(in both the US and the rest of the world). There would be less poverty, but less technology.

I raise the point communism would not have spread without opposition. I severely doubt that the USSR would have managed a world wide communist takeover, because Western Europe wouldn't have stood for it. Also to raise the point: Israel would have been communist in my opinion. Small nation would have been perfect for a communist influence. (Albeit without the usual communist banning of religion, but you catch my drift.) Also, what communism did flourish would have been democratic communism, mainly in South America, which isn't neccesarily a bad thing.

a lot of starvation in Central and Western Europe in the immediate post war period, and Soviet conquest by force or subversion of most of that same area. Probably a Third World War by the early 1950s as the US and Britian recognized the danger and reacted,

and George Orwell's three major powers (from 1984) would have become a reality most likely. Along with the likelihood of overt Fascism (or something similar) in the surviving West.

http://pages.prodigy.net/aesir/ww3.htm

a good site

also check out other essays

http://www.alternatehistory.com/ahdirectory.html

some are pretty flawed, but others are excellent

(Inspired by this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414692)

What might have happened if the US had gone isolationist again after WWII, like it did after WWI, and withdrawn from Europe (ignoring Asia for the moment)?
Would the USSR have overrun the rest of Europe?
If so, would Europe still be under their thumb?

(Sorry off to work now. I'll be back in about 9-10 hours. :))

Given what happened in Eastern Europe after the war (especially Chechoslovakia), I would expect that the USSR would have taken over Europe, but not the British Ilses, similar to what was portrayed in 1984.

what communism did flourish would have been democratic communism,

contradiction in terms?

(Inspired by this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414692)

What might have happened if the US had gone isolationist again after WWII, like it did after WWI, and withdrawn from Europe (ignoring Asia for the moment)?
Would the USSR have overrun the rest of Europe?
If so, would Europe still be under their thumb?

(Sorry off to work now. I'll be back in about 9-10 hours. :))

More war. IMHO: The USSR would have grabbed a much bigger slice of Europe after the war, but they would not have "dominated" the entire world as so many people here seem to think. There were other participants in WW2 that had fight left in them than just the USA.

The Korean war would be fought by the Koreans alone.

Vietnam would be unified under a Communist Flag.

Japan would most likey be under the Russian Flag.

Britian would bear the brunt of the World as the leader of Democracy

The UN wouldn't exsist.

Over half of the world would be starving.

Daily reports of people sneaking into the US via Mexico, Hawaii, and Canada.

Nationstates would be called the Motherland... and the threads would be filled with people blaming the US for turning Isolationist and thus being selfish and Ignoring all of the worlds problems.

I doubt anyone in the world could withstand a 16 million many army, in 1945, without US help(The us might have lost a war with russia in 1945, even with the help of europe). The russians would be hard-pushed to invade britain after the rest of europe was taken, but massed bombing would do the job(And looking at the 1945 russian airforce, the german one was pathetic, so dont use the battle of britain as a counter-point). China would take over asia, russia would take europe, and africa and south america would be split, as well as australia.

I doubt anyone in the world could withstand a 16 million many army, in 1945, without US help(The us might have lost a war with russia in 1945, even with the help of europe). The russians would be hard-pushed to invade britain after the rest of europe was taken, but massed bombing would do the job(And looking at the 1945 russian airforce, the german one was pathetic, so dont use the battle of britain as a counter-point). China would take over asia, russia would take europe, and africa and south america would be split, as well as australia.

But the USSR didn't have much strategy. Finland held them off throughout the whole of WW2 with a tiny army, Britain and others would have done the same. I think more war would probably have sparked a revolution in the USSR much sooner.

But the USSR didn't have much strategy. Finland held them off throughout the whole of WW2 with a tiny army, Britain and others would have done the same. I think more war would probably have sparked a revolution in the USSR much sooner.

#1 - when they did that russia's army was pitiful and by the time it was better the Germans were knocking at their doors

#2 - nukes

(Inspired by this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414692)

What might have happened if the US had gone isolationist again after WWII, like it did after WWI, and withdrawn from Europe (ignoring Asia for the moment)?
Would the USSR have overrun the rest of Europe?
If so, would Europe still be under their thumb?

(Sorry off to work now. I'll be back in about 9-10 hours. :))
Try asking on this forum (www.alternatehistory.net/discussion). The people there would love to answer your question.

Try asking on this forum (www.alternatehistory.net/discussion). The people there would love to answer your question.

Looks like a cool link - thanks. :D

The U.S. never was "isolationist." Non-interventionist, yes, but not isolationist.

You can hardly compare the pitiful army of russia in 1939, to the one in 1945. Soviet airforces and tanks would obliterate any resistance, and a quick drive into the capitals of these nations would force surrendur.