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People have accused the NS community of being 83% liberal. I'm making sure that those statistics weren't made up. If someone else has already done this, don't bump this thread and it'll disappear after 24 hours.

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I consider myself a moderate liberal. I'm willing to bend a bit and compromise.

People have accused the NS community of being 83% liberal. I'm making sure that those statistics weren't made up. If someone else has already done this, don't bump this thread and it'll disappear after 24 hours.

If you think more than one of those above applies to you, you know what to do, post.

Being non-american means I'm automatically a gay-hippie-communist-liberal.

I voted "other". I don't belong to an idealogy of politics. I go with whatever I feel is best. In other words, look at my sig.

Being non-american means I'm automatically a gay-hippie-communist-liberal.
I know some non-Americans who are not gay-hippie-communist-liberals, but never mind.

I'm either a nihilist or liberal. I can't really decide. (Crazy, eh?)

Since I was talking about capital punishment for juveniles, I guess for today's poll I'm a nihilist.

im a socialist, but i also am a very strong environmentalist.

Political "belief system?" I'd guess you're conservative the way you're making liberal sound like a bad thing to be... Why do the neo-cons have to turn everything into a religion war? It's sickening. -_-,,,

Those categories are also pretty darn narrow. Oh well...

Moderate-liberal

Political "belief system?" I'd guess you're conservative the way you're making liberal sound like a bad thing to be... Why do the neo-cons have to turn everything into a religion war? It's sickening. -_-,,,

Those categories are also pretty darn narrow. Oh well...

Moderate-liberalI never said it was a bad thing. If you look you'll see I ranked myself among the Libertarians. Conservatives by definition are moral, traditionalist, and restrictive.

And where does the religion come in? I'm atheist. In fact, members of my species don't have gods.

If you call intolerant, stiff-headed, 50-years-in-the-past idealogy "moral", then by all means...

I know some non-Americans who are not gay-hippie-communist-liberals, but never mind.

And you know many non-americans whom the americans would consider "right-wing" ?

And you know many non-americans whom the americans would consider "right-wing" ?I know only one right-wing non-American, from France, and he hates George W. Bush.

I know only one right-wing non-American, from France, and he hates George W. Bush.

But that's the difference. European right-wingers (with the exception of nationalists) are much further left than the US democrats

All the political tests I've done have said I'm a liberal, so I guess I'm a liberal.

If you call intolerant, stiff-headed, 50-years-in-the-past idealogy "moral", then by all means...Actually, by "moral" I refer to George Bush's mythical "Moral Issues"... anti-abortion, anti-contraception (are those a contradiction in terms?), anti-profanity, anti-anything that takes place in NC-17 rated movies, and basically anti-change.

People have accused the NS community of being 83% liberal. I'm making sure that those statistics weren't made up. If someone else has already done this, don't bump this thread and it'll disappear after 24 hours.

If you think more than one of those above applies to you, you know what to do, post.

what about nihilist democratic totalitarians?

your categories arent very broad, im not a party member and i dont agree with all the ideoligies of anything

Hey, they give us only 10 options!

My political belief system is totally created according to my religious beliefs (being a Catholic). Every single issue, no matter what it is, is defined, to me, by what my religion says or would say.

Being non-american means I'm automatically a gay-hippie-communist-liberal.

and a terrorist.

Well, it appears that only 21% of NSers are liberal so far...I wonder who made up the 83%?

But that's the difference. European right-wingers (with the exception of nationalists) are much further left than the US democrats
No they're not. The Democrats are a centrist party by European standards.

My political belief system is totally created according to my religious beliefs (being a Catholic). Every single issue, no matter what it is, is defined, to me, by what my religion says or would say.
Looks like he left "theocrat" out of the poll.

Well, it appears that only 21% of NSers are liberal so far...I wonder who made up the 83%?

Well to some extent , you can group them with socialists, anarchist and communists. Still not 83% though.

/me personally is a anarcho-commie. Phear m3!

No they're not. The Democrats are a centrist party by European standards.

Uhm...My only answer to that is "No they're not".
Right now we have a rightwing government that has been re-elected. Clinton was *very* rightwing compared to them.

I know some non-Americans who are not gay-hippie-communist-liberals, but never mind.

ye, the british. land of hope and glory

Social-liberal/libertarian. :D

People have accused the NS community of being 83% liberal. I'm making sure that those statistics weren't made up. If someone else has already done this, don't bump this thread and it'll disappear after 24 hours.

If you think more than one of those above applies to you, you know what to do, post.
I really don't have a political "system." I try to take the approach that whatever's best for the greatest number of people ( whether we're talking about specific nations or the world in general ) is the best course of action. What this works out to in practice is my being a bit of a "hawk" internationally, and a slightly left-leaning centrist at home ( USA ).

It sometimes gets quite funny when the ultra-conservative fundamentalists here in North Carolina accuse me of being a liberal and the ultra-liberals on NS General accuse me of being a neo-conservative. :D

In this situation whats meant to be the difference between communist and socialist. Surely all communists have to start as socialists as its the only way to communism?

somebody answer me. Come on.

http://imgs.dlh.net/dlhnews/smiley/google.gif is your friend. :D
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/documents/cpgb/prog_transition.html

Just dunno what exactly one considers "liberal" in America.
Opposite of Bush?

http://imgs.dlh.net/dlhnews/smiley/google.gif is your friend. :D
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/documents/cpgb/prog_transition.html

I know the difference between communism and socialism, but i dont understand what the difference between a communist and a socialist is. Maybe one of the self-described socialists could tell me what exactly they stand for?

Ah, I think I understand now what you meant, sorry.

I am a Political Rationalist. I believe that no political or socio-economic system is the right system is ABSOLUTELY correct.

Representative democracy has its merits, so does tyranny.
Socialism has its flaws, so does capitalism.

The point is that when one governs a state, they should not be too hung up on a political or economic ideology; belief in ideologies is as dangerous as belief in religion.

What a government must do is be as objective, rational and logical as possible. They must secure for the people the most effective rout, firstly to the facilitation of the peoples basic needs, and secondly to the facilitation of the peoples happiness.

Whether the private or the public sector is the best method is in ideological terms, left or right, completely irrelevent. What matters is whether or not they deliver the best rout to the provision of basic needs and happiness.

Of course, my political theory makes no logical sense. It is in itself a paradox. My theory states that one should not get too hung up on a particular ideology and yet by not getting hung up on a particular ideology, one inevitably has gotten hung up on an ideology expousing the virtues of not getting hung up on a particular ideology.

My political system makes both sense and nonsense.

I am a Political Rationalist. I believe that no political or socio-economic system is the right system is ABSOLUTELY correct.

Representative democracy has its merits, so does tyranny.
Socialism has its flaws, so does capitalism.

The point is that when one governs a state, they should not be too hung up on a political or economic ideology; belief in ideologies is as dangerous as belief in religion.

What a government must do is be as objective, rational and logical as possible. They must secure for the people the most effective rout, firstly to the facilitation of the peoples basic needs, and secondly to the facilitation of the peoples happiness.

Whether the private or the public sector is the best method is in ideological terms, left or right, completely irrelevent. What matters is whether or not they deliver the best rout to the provision of basic needs and happiness.

Of course, my political theory makes no logical sense. It is in itself a paradox. My theory states that one should not get too hung up on a particular ideology and yet by not getting hung up on a particular ideology, one inevitably has gotten hung up on an ideology expousing the virtues of not getting hung up on a particular ideology.

My political system makes both sense and nonsense.

So basically what you mean is that the state should judge decisions in specific instances rather than sticking to general principles. Expressed that way, it's neither contradictory nor as complicated as you made it out to be above. It's also called Pragmatism.

Socialists value socialism. They value the state before the Proletarian Dictatorship that still posesses class, but is helpful to most of society. At least, that comes from my understanding of socialists. Most are either fans of publicly owned-business ventures, or are fans of socialized healthcare.

As much as I believe that ideology is dangerous, I will alays follow one. I have trapped myself in a partisan political system and have always belonged to one, whether I liked it or not. I do, however, try to decide based on merit. I voted libertarian because most of beliefs are such.

Actually, by "moral" I refer to George Bush's mythical "Moral Issues"... anti-abortion, anti-contraception (are those a contradiction in terms?), anti-profanity, anti-anything that takes place in NC-17 rated movies, and basically anti-change.

My point exactly.

Oh, and the Democrats are a Centrist party. To Republicans, however, they are Leftist (which shows you just how far Right a good deal of the Republican party is).

In political speak "moral values" = social campaign issues

Damnit, the crazy-ass libertarians are almost in the lead!

According to this poll roughly 61% of NSers are "liberal."

Good thing is that this is only the Internet.

Damnit, the crazy-ass libertarians are almost in the lead!

Not really. Combining communist, socialist, and liberal - you have the majority by far.

Republican Capitalist. :)

My point exactly.

Oh, and the Democrats are a Centrist party. To Republicans, however, they are Leftist (which shows you just how far Right a good deal of the Republican party is).
Both political parties in the US are centrist. The Republicans lean a bit to the right and the Democrats lean a bit to the left, but especially to most Europeans it seems, there's very little difference between them.

People have accused the NS community of being 83% liberal. I'm making sure that those statistics weren't made up. If someone else has already done this, don't bump this thread and it'll disappear after 24 hours.

If you think more than one of those above applies to you, you know what to do, post.

You should have included fascist as a choice.

I'm not fascist, but some people are, sadly.

I'm liberal, myself.

Well to some extent , you can group them with socialists, anarchist and communists. Still not 83% though.

/me personally is a anarcho-commie. Phear m3!
not all socialism or communism is liberal

I'm conservative. I hope Bush becomes the next pope.

I like classical music, too. I'm 16.

Your mother costs $5...

I consider myself to be extreme left, therefore not liberal. I like liberals, but they tend to be pacifists. Not good when most conservatives aren't.

I'm conservative. I hope Bush becomes the next pope.

I like classical music, too. I'm 16.

Your mother costs $5...

I know. I had to lower her price so she'd be competition for your sister. :D
(KIDDING, KIDDING >.>)

I voted for the economic system because I'm tired and hungry

Well, I think that George Bush is too liberal. I'm about half conservative, half libertarian.

Well, I think that George Bush is too liberal. I'm about half conservative, half libertarian.
:confused:
*implodes*
Okay, now.

Anarcho-Communist, with feminist overtones. :D

Anarcho-Communist, with feminist overtones. :D
Thats about what I thought you were.

Well, I think that George Bush is too liberal. I'm about half conservative, half libertarian.
wait what???? bush, liberal???? not in the slightest!!

besides you cant be to liberal

http://www.nsm88.com/images/nsmbannertop.gif
National Socialist Movement (http://www.nsm88.com)

:confused:
*implodes*
Okay, now.

Huh? What did I say wrong?

http://www.nsm88.com/images/nsmbannertop.gif
National Socialist Movement (http://www.nsm88.com)
Hmm. To laugh, or to groan...

In this situation whats meant to be the difference between communist and socialist. Surely all communists have to start as socialists as its the only way to communism?Yes, the difference is very fine. Ex.

Socialism: You have 50 cows. Your neighbor has none. The government takes 25 of them away from you and gives them to your neighbor.

Communism: You have two cows. The government takes them both and tells you that they are going to be put in a community pool of cows which will be government-regulated.

Or something like that.

I know the difference between communism and socialism, but i dont understand what the difference between a communist and a socialist is. Maybe one of the self-described socialists could tell me what exactly they stand for?

Well...Look it up, have a look at the way all of Scandinavia is being run, and has been for years. My country has always been socialist and still supported the west during the cold war. And the same goes for all the nordic countries.

The difference between socialism and communism is NOT fine, like someone told you earlier, that's an absurd statement.

Guess Liberal from Ns and that compass thingy too...but what I believe and what I believe works are two different things as we don't live in an ideal world, so in reality conservative :rolleyes:

what if your a capitalist and a liberal?

what if your a capitalist and a liberal?That's not as problematic as being a socialist and a conservative.

what if your a capitalist and a liberal?

Then you're a Libertarian.

Political Compass result:

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.87

Your Score
0.5 on the Moral Order axis
1 on the Moral Rules axis.

My political belief is to not believe in the systems.

People have accused the NS community of being 83% liberal. I'm making sure that those statistics weren't made up. If someone else has already done this, don't bump this thread and it'll disappear after 24 hours.

If you think more than one of those above applies to you, you know what to do, post.

I would say there is a definitive representation of liberals and libertarians in the NS forums... And there is definitely a dispropotionate representation of Libertarians here as well (much more than RW considerations)... As such, the "Conservatives" do feel "outnumbered" by "liberals" because amongst many of the threads in regards to situations of civil liberties, the Liberals and Libertarians rest in agreement, and thus the "Conservatives" see them being outnumbered by "liberals" simply because the majority on the board (liberals + libertarians) are against them. Since the relatively daft "conservatives" cannot distinguish a libertarians from a liberal, they assume both are "liberal", since they label anyone who does not side with their relativly theonomic viewpoints as "liberals".

I, myself am Libertarian in ideology...

Well that's a tough question for me personally. I am unquestionably a liberal on social/moral issues, however I am right-wing on the fiscal side of things. So I consider myself a 'moderate' libertarian, moderate because I am more conservative on issues such as the legalization of all drugs etc.

Platonic Monarchist with heavy neo-imperialist leanings. Hoo-yeah!

I think an Imperial government is the better* form of government (but one with restrictions)

*there (at the moment) being no actual great or pefect form for running a country

i'm a mildly nihilist, mildly agrarian, regressionist progressive socialist with indipendent ideas about the abolition of money :)

i voted socialist ;)

People have accused the NS community of being 83% liberal. I'm making sure that those statistics weren't made up. If someone else has already done this, don't bump this thread and it'll disappear after 24 hours.

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how do i know which one i am?

Then you're a Libertarian.
Um, "liberals" in either sense are parliamentary democracy people, so that's NOT libertarian (whether we mean Lib or lib...)

Capital L Libertarians are more accurately described as "anarcho-individualists/capitalists." *snorts*

I don't think I fit any category. I'm extremely libertarian on economic issues, libertarian on most social issues, and authoritarian on political issues. What would that make me?

Damnit, the crazy-ass libertarians are almost in the lead!

Yea!

Me <--- crazy-ass(?) libertarian.

P.J. O'Rourke's book Parliament of Whores has a great bit on the differences between the Dems and Repubs

I have only one firm belief about the American political system, and that is this: God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat.

God is an elderly or, at any rate, middle-aged mate, a stern fellow, patriarchal rather than paternal and a great believer in rules and regulations. He holds men strictly accountable for their actions. He has little apparent concern for the material well-being of the disadvantaged. He is politically connected, socially powerful and holds the mortgage on literally everything in the world. God is difficult. God is unsentimental. It is very hard to get into God's heavenly country club.

Santa Claus is another matter. He's cute. He's nonthreatening. He's always cheerful. And he loves animals. He may know who's been naughty and who's been nice, but he never does anything about it. He gives everyone everything they want without thought of a quid pro quo. He works hard for charities, and he's famously generous to the poor. Santa Claus is preferable to God in every way but one: There is no such thing as Santa Claus.

To add a pesonal end note, there's no such thing as God either.

Pragmatist. Anything else is (and I say this with all due respect) stupid.

I don't think I fit any category. I'm extremely libertarian on economic issues, libertarian on most social issues, and authoritarian on political issues. What would that make me?

According to this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/nspoliticalmap.jpg) , a "capitalizt".

I am a Libertarian Communist.

Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyist here.

f*ck the librarians

f*ck the librarians

Must be a conservative, using his nukular weapons as an inginable part of protecting the principles of peeance and freeance.

I'd redefine the poll by asking people where they sit on the Economic/Social graph proposed by pollitical compass, and then get them to take the test. Political labels like Anarchist, Nihilist, Liberal, all have perjorative connotations to those who don't understand them. How do you know you're not an apple until you know what an apple is?

Extreme Authoritarian/Extreme Conservative

Posted by the Satanic Priest, Lord Medivh

fuck the levels. Why r u trying to stereotype instead of listening ? U might learn something new and original...r u scared? Let's put everyone in a box so it's easier for u to come up with some bullshit, some TRUTH that applyes for a few groups, and then have your 'reasonable' conclusion.
Fuck u

By the way, I rather be left handed (whatever that means to u). For me it goes beyond rationalist bull. I HAVE TO give u an idea, so u don't get so confused. The left is nothing without the right, good is nothing if u can't compare it with evil..... I believe I'm beyond that.

The master of myself.