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My inspiration for this came from a letter to the editor in todays Toronto Sun denouncing the monarchy. Myself being a monarchist, I was wondering the opinions of other Canadians; And what about other former cononies, Austrialia, etc.

So the question: Do you, a resident of Canada (or a former member of the British Empire) stupport the Monarchy?

Poll up shortly!

God damn parasites of society, as useless as the hind tits on a boars ass.
As a memebr of of one of the innumerable families of disposessed nobilty from Eastern Europe (east germany in my family's case)n, you'd think I'd be an avowed Monarchist.

The reality is that anyone witha a Royal or Aristocratic title differs from their fellow human beings in one way only: We get to put funny words like Lord, Duke, King etc. in fron t of our name. I fail to see why, in a land of equality, some should be me equal than others. Much better things could be done with all that money and property Prince "Zeig Heil" Henry's tatseless and irresponsible antics are but one example of the old, out-dated attitudes exlempified by the English Royal House. I say the Brits have their monarchy, but don't make me and millions of my fellow Canadians genuflect before a family of inbred tax pirates.

While I do enjoy the political distinction from our southern neighbours that a monarchy affords us, surely there must be a better way to acheive this. I say line em up and shoot em, and throw Steven Harper and his band of dipshits in with them. Its about bloody time this country got rid of inbred deadweight and social retardation. A firing squad sounds like a wonderful and festive way of doing this. These parasites of society have done absolutely nothing to earn the vast sums of money they feel entitled to simply by accident of birth. The homelessness problem in every commonwealth country, not just Canada and the UK, could be solved with all the money we'd save by not having to put up with that old cow Elizabeth 2 and her brood of snivveling brats.

Do you really want an adulteroous cad and his horsevomit ugly wife to be the figureheads of our country? If we need a figurehead to distinguish ourselves from the US, why not let it be in the form of an elected Grand Chief. It would have a lot more to do with the actual history of this country, and would go a long way towards redressing all the wrongs we've perpetrated against our First Nations peoples.

Break out the short plank, it.s time some people went for a long walk off of it.

I'm an Australian and the only reason I support the monarchy is the cost in redoing the letterheads should we become a republic.

I voted against. But I really don't care. It really is a nonissue. The real question is, is electing a figurehead president more expensive than maintaining a figurehead monarch?

Though, if Canada were to be a Republic, it would at least help the Brits (whom I live among) realise they have no more influence in the world.

No, the royal family are nothing more than a bunch of elitist, snobbish inbreds who just happened to get lucky at birth.

We could save a heck of a lot of money by abolishing the monarchy, electing a figurehead, cutting the G-G's (Now the figurehead's) budget, and making some vital reforms to the senate.

I'm still in favour of the monarchy personally, I don't see the problem. People complain about Clarkson's budget all the damn time but really, a president would surely be ten times more. Well, maybe not that much, but elections, travel, etc. would definately cost more than what Clarkson costs. The Queen actually costs us nothing, the Brits pay for her.

On a related note, did you know, only five percent of Canadians reconize that the Queen is our offical head of state. Before anything else, we should problems like this, we don't even know our own goddamn heritage. Also, I remember reading somewhere that only 47% of Canadians can ID Sir John A. Macdonald as our first Prime Minister. In comparison the 87% of Americans can ID Washington as the first president. To me, I believe this needs to be changed first.

The monarchy is tottaly irrelevant to Canadians. We should develope our own national symbols.

Canadians: Do you support the Monarchy?
Indubidably.

We could save a heck of a lot of money by abolishing the monarchy, electing a figurehead, cutting the G-G's (Now the figurehead's) budget, and making some vital reforms to the senate.

I dont know about you, but I would prefer a head of state who had an obligation from birth to take that role, not someone who represents a political party and has a political agenda. Leave that to the PMs office.

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though i do agree that we need senate reforms

the queen should pay taxes...

and Canadian Citizens should no be forced to pledge allegiance to the queen of England...It should be optional

I only it as a tradition thing good for tourism. I neither see it as a thing to revere or a thing that has any bearing on my life.

the queen should pay taxes...

and Canadian Citizens should no be forced to pledge allegiance to the queen of England...It should be optional

That would be Britain, the Queen of England does not exist...

As an American, I should probably stay out of it, but since it's open to former members of the British Empire... ;) Anyway, I was born in the Netherlands and that's still a constitutional monarchy, so here goes:

It seems that preserving the monarchy is sort of like preserving old buildings. They may not be as functional as a modern building which could be built on the location, but they have some charm and remind us of our common history. That said, it's sufficient that the British maintain the monarchy without Canada necessarily staying involved. Actually, I'm really surprised that Canada hasn't departed the Empire yet. And Australia, too... I was sure that Australia was independent.

On a side note, only 47% of Canadians know about Sir John, eh? I'm a public-school educated American and even I've heard of him! :D

and Canadian Citizens should no be forced to pledge allegiance to the queen of England...It should be optional

She is, Queen of Australia, Queen of Britain, Queen of New Zealand, Queen of Canada. Shes not the Queen of Britain ahead of her other countries. If the Brits were suddenly to remove the monarchy, the monarchy would head to one of the other countries. ;)

She's the head of state for about thirty countries...

^head of the Commonwealth for about 30 countries but not head of state

What I'd really like to figure out is what the royal family does?

They piss me off and I think they should be removed because nothing about them is special except for "royal blood" which is also bullshit.

I see no reason to abandon the Royal Family. While in a technical sense they hold power over the Canadian people and it's Parliament, that power has not been exerted since we achieved our independence. What they give us is a head of state. Regardless of who it is, we need someone to put their names on our laws, so let's save some money and not go through the trouble of coming up with an entirely new head of state.

Yes Cosmo is right...

Personally, I'd like to see a lot of things changed in the Canadian Gov't *cough*senate*cough* but, I don't believe that abolishing the monarchy, & GG's etc. is going to make that big a difference in our daily lives. Sure, we'd save a few $$, but knowing the Canadian Gov't, it would just get spent somewhere else, and never be heard from again. I say we should keep the monarchy etc. for no other reason than to keep a part of our history alive.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary) (born 21 April 1926), styled HM The Queen, is the Queen regnant and Head of State of the United Kingdom, as well as the Queen of Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, the Solomon Islands, and Tuvalu.

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On a side note, only 47% of Canadians know about Sir John, eh? I'm a public-school educated American and even I've heard of him! :D
I wasn't going to bring anything like this into this untill you said this. Your saying thats bad? How bout the 67% of Americans that think that Canada has States not provinces, Or the 56% that think that Alberta is a city close to Toronto? And that fact is biased, becasue 32% of Canada's population are either infirm, too young, etc. to know something like that.
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Anyways, back to the topic at hand. No, we should not retain the Monarchy, but neither should we be a republic. Canada is too large and with a wierd enough population dispersity that a republic would not (and does not) work, because the larger less populated areas (the plains, the arctic, the northern shield) have absolutely no say in who rules the country, and the french have the most say (which is why they get more rights than the average Canadian {Thank God For Trudeau}).

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary) (born 21 April 1926), styled HM The Queen, is the Queen regnant and Head of State of the United Kingdom, as well as the Queen of Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, the Solomon Islands, and Tuvalu.
Who cares.




Vive la République Canadienne! Long Live the Canadian Republic!

As a French Canadian, I support to ditch the last piece of Britain from the government. ;)

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I wasn't going to bring anything like this into this untill you said this. Your saying thats bad? How bout the 67% of Americans that think that Canada has States not provinces, Or the 56% that think that Alberta is a city close to Toronto? And that fact is biased, becasue 32% of Canada's population are either infirm, too young, etc. to know something like that.
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Sorry, I didn't realize that the distribution of children and 'infirm' in Canada was so wildly disparate from that of the US. Someone said 87% of Americans (or thereabouts) know that G. Washington was the first American president, so I thought that the 47% quoted by the same individual was a comparable statistic. Or maybe it is and American children are just better associated with history...

No, wait, I went to public school, and that simply can't be true. You know, here in the states Canada doesn't get talked about much after the War of 1812, but the general opinion of Canadians seem to be that they're pretty similar to Americans except that they're very neat, polite, and not trying to dominate the entire world. Is that accurate? I don't know. Every Canadian I've ever met (who declared themself a Canadian, that is) seemed like folks to me. Even if the Canadian education system is horrible, that just makes it comparable to ours.

It's not so bad that 67% of Americans think Canada has states, because they're relating the truth to a concept which they are more familiar with. At least they've got a general idea. I wonder how many Canadians could place Carson City, or name the capital of Illinois.

I'm not sure why that required a rant. I didn't intend to indicate derision, I was just honestly surprised. :(

She is, Queen of Australia, Queen of Britain, Queen of New Zealand, Queen of Canada. Shes not the Queen of Britain ahead of her other countries. If the Brits were suddenly to remove the monarchy, the monarchy would head to one of the other countries. ;)
you mean that if the UK, australia, and new zealand de-queened her, you would fight with belize and papua-newguinea to get her to move to ottawa??

Who cares.




Vive la République Canadienne! Long Live the Canada Republic!

As a French Canadian, I support to ditch the last piece of Britain from the government. ;)

I'm tempted to call you a French B******, but i'll keep such notions to myself...

I'm tempted to call you a French B******, but i'll keep such notions to myself...
No, call me whatever you want. You must be Canadian outside Québec or French-speaking areas. Or possibly British or American. :rolleyes:

And you should know I am not French, I am French Canadian or Québécois. There is a difference. :p

Who cares.




Vive la République Canadienne! Long Live the Canada Republic!

As a French Canadian, I support to ditch the last piece of Britain from the government. ;)

Canada has never been a republic, and if the french were in charge and had a royal monarch I'd expect Quebec would sing a different tune.
I support the monarchy becuase they dont really effect Canada in any way apart from having a title and being above the laws, but she cannot change law. Queen Elizabeth has no power what so ever over Canada or any of the old colonies, mainly because the statute of Westminister and the Balfort report. Just as well keep the monarchy for cerimonial and dignified occasions. (Dont expect them in Quebec any time soon Islandid).
And I see some anglo-canadian bashing in this thread... not a great idea if you want the thread to keep going. To those Quebecors who find it fun to knock down your fellow english speeking neighbors, you dont see B.C. or Alberta getting into big federal scandals. And according to recent polls your the only province to support the liberals with over 50%. ( I dont want to sound arrogant or racist, but you have to admit that Quebec hasn't been the greatest ally to the rest of Canada or world affairs for that matter). Quebec has too much Federal spending going to it for special privalages. Please dont take this as French bashing, because I dont mean it to come across that way. I'm trying to make a balanced point, but I'm able to see how this can be viewed as a cheap remark to Quebec. (And yes, I'm aware there are several people in Quebec who dont fall into what I've just said, but I'm talking as in a collective Quebec here.)

Monarchy, never saw such useless power given to people.

First of all, Monarchist is un-democratic, a non sense, a money and time loss and useless junks of old traditions... :rolleyes:

Think of it, the hierarchy of blood, what's the point ? Cause someone is the son or daugther of someone important, they should be morally better ruler than someone else :confused: Is that a joke ? Intelligence, wisdom, charisma and devotion makes a good leader, no a pure blood family path. Nothing tells anyone that someone specific will be a good politician or ruler, people must vote on this, maybe the greatest of ruler will give birth of the dumbest moron earth never saw... leadership isn't transmitted through family blood, it's just a stroke of luck of nature... :eek:

Secundo, the monarchy as we know it, without real power nor utility is a parasite for our economy, why should we send funds to people who are absolutly useless to our country ? Peoples like to throw their money through windows, just to see a starlet prince, queen or anyone else make a lil' parade time to time ?! or what :headbang:

Thertio, traditions, what monarchy is mostly all abouts, should be reconsidered by many of us, past may be something people like to remember to orientate their future, allright... but to handicapate their present for it isn't something peoples should tolerate... for a bright future, people needs a shiny present... so remember monarchy in your hearts and thoughts, and stop spending uselessly your time and money on such parasite to our society... :mp5:

Monarchy, never saw such useless power given to people.

First of all, Monarchist is un-democratic, a non sense, a money and time loss and useless junks of old traditions... :rolleyes:

Think of it, the hierarchy of blood, what's the point ? Cause someone is the son or daugther of someone important, they should be morally better ruler than someone else :confused: Is that a joke ? Intelligence, wisdom, charisma and devotion makes a good leader, no a pure blood family path. Nothing tells anyone that someone specific will be a good politician or ruler, people must vote on this, maybe the greatest of ruler will give birth of the dumbest moron earth never saw... leadership isn't transmitted through family blood, it's just a stroke of luck of nature... :eek:

Secundo, the monarchy as we know it, without real power nor utility is a parasite for our economy, why should we send funds to people who are absolutly useless to our country ? Peoples like to throw their money through windows, just to see a starlet prince, queen or anyone else make a lil' parade time to time ?! or what :headbang:

Thertio, traditions, what monarchy is mostly all abouts, should be reconsidered by many of us, past may be something people like to remember to orientate their future, allright... but to handicapate their present for it isn't something peoples should tolerate... for a bright future, people needs a shiny present... so remember monarchy in your hearts and thoughts, and stop spending uselessly your time and money on such parasite to our society... :mp5:
But we dont pay the Queen... the British government does. We just pay for that damn govenor general!!!! :mad:
The Queen cannot dictate her power over Canada. The most she can do is sign bills and "controll" the canadian forces (which she doesn't really).

I put don't really know, but to be honest, I don't care.

They're figureheads, it doesn't really matter if they're there or not anyways, might as well have them around and if they go away, then well, that's how the cookie crubmles, big deal.

Canada has never been a republic, and if the french were in charge and had a royal monarch I'd expect Quebec would sing a different tune.
I support the monarchy becuase they dont really effect Canada in any way apart from having a title and being above the laws, but she cannot change law. Queen Elizabeth has no power what so ever over Canada or any of the old colonies, mainly because the statute of Westminister and the Balfort report. Just as well keep the monarchy for cerimonial and dignified occasions. (Dont expect them in Quebec any time soon Islandid).
And I see some anglo-canadian bashing in this thread... not a great idea if you want the thread to keep going. To those Quebecors who find it fun to knock down your fellow english speeking neighbors, you dont see B.C. or Alberta getting into big federal scandals. And according to recent polls your the only province to support the liberals with over 50%. ( I dont want to sound arrogant or racist, but you have to admit that Quebec hasn't been the greatest ally to the rest of Canada or world affairs for that matter). Quebec has too much Federal spending going to it for special privalages. Please dont take this as French bashing, because I dont mean it to come across that way. I'm trying to make a balanced point, but I'm able to see how this can be viewed as a cheap remark to Quebec. (And yes, I'm aware there are several people in Quebec who dont fall into what I've just said, but I'm talking as in a collective Quebec here.)
1) I don't want the Queen prancing in my province. But I am sure she won't get a welcome from the Québécois. So I am not expecting her to be in Québec. I have Irish in my blood as well, my Celtic ancestors would turn in their graves if I ever happily wave at the Queen.
2) I find it fun to knock down Anglo-Canadians for spitting hatred and ignorance at me and at the Québécois for being French speakers. If they keep a respectful tone, like you did, I would be happy to discuss Québec's (and Canada's of course) problems and role in Canada with respect in return. If I am an Anglo-hating French Canadian, why am I speaking English? ;)
3) Yes, it is true that Québec uses too much of the federal money for special interests.
4) Calm yourself, you have every right to critize Québec as I have every right to critize Ottawa and the rest of Canada, as well as Québec itself.

That would be Britain, the Queen of England does not exist...

Her official title is the Queen of England, even though she is the head of state of All of Britain and 16 other states.

Her title in Britain is:

"Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."

In Canada it is:

"Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."

She is Queen of the United Kingdom...

1) I don't want the Queen prancing in my province. But I am sure she won't get a welcome from the Québécois. So I am not expecting her to be in Québec. I have Irish in my blood as well, my Celtic ancestors would turn in their graves if I ever happily wave at the Queen.
2) I find it fun to knock down Anglo-Canadians for spitting hatred and ignorance at me and at the Québécois for being French speakers. If they keep a respectful tone, like you did, I would be happy to discuss Québec's (and Canada's of course) problems and role in Canada with respect in return. If I am an Anglo-hating French Canadian, why am I speaking English? ;)
3) Yes, it is true that Québec uses too much of the federal money for special interests.
4) Calm yourself, you have every right to critize Québec as I have every right to critize Ottawa and the rest of Canada, as well as Québec itself.

1) I'm 100% celtic. I'm the first ever child in my family from the catholic rebel Ireland to be born in Canada. I support the monarchy because they are part of a tradition.
2) I make fun of the French Canada for causing problems at home and also being forced to learn a language I know I wont use again after grade 11 (I am the reason Anglophone's shouldn't speak another language). I also make fun of English Canada aka Ontario for being ethnocentric... but Quebec has that problem too. But I can also attempt to parler en francais ;) oui oui tres bien :P quelle cauchemar. :eek: (and when I say Quebec's problems, I'm going back until the first rebellion and up to now...) Tres bien! tu parles en anglais!!! :D :D :D lol jk :P
3)We agree on three :D
4) Ottawa is known to be a universal mess. I am calmed and surpressing my wrath. And I too hold the right to criticize Canada and all of its provinces up until a certain point.
aurevoir pour dix neuf minute.

Right, as a Royalist Brit, this is how I see it:
1.Despite some bad publisity, they are still a popular public institution, just look at the Jubillee selebrations last year!
2.They represent National Unity and purpose to both Britian and the outside world and helps integrate British society.
3.Provides continuity in a rapidly changing society.
4.the cost of sustaining the monarchy is £75million a year, is less then the income generated through tourism and trade generated by the monarchy and is far cheaper then a presidency such as the USA or France.
5.The Heireditary principal keeps them above party politics, and if a hung parliament occured (neither party getting a majority) then she would have to make a desision as to the formation of the next parliament and if she were elected then party politics would entre into it automaticaly.
6.Australia has already had a vote as to becoming a republic, and its not that they wanted the Queen to stay, but the other guys were such asses that She was the lesser of two evils.
7.Finaly what would happen to the British national antheme, It's all about her, with out her it would be complaetly re-writen, i don't think any other song could fill my heart with the same sence of patriotism....possibly "Rule Britania".
thats my thought for the day, use it well! Long live the Queen!!!

I don't really see a point to remaining a constitutional monarchy, then again, as it is part of our history and traditions, it would be rather insulting to just up and leave Commonwealth. To me, it doesn't really make a difference whether we support or denounce the monarchy, we don't need it, but there's no point in giving it up.

It's like the pope, they elect a new one, but it doens't mean anyone's going to listen to this one anymore than we did the last one.

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No, wait, I went to public school, and that simply can't be true. You know, here in the states Canada doesn't get talked about much after the War of 1812, but the general opinion of Canadians seem to be that they're pretty similar to Americans except that they're very neat, polite, and not trying to dominate the entire world. Is that accurate? I don't know. Every Canadian I've ever met (who declared themself a Canadian, that is) seemed like folks to me. Even if the Canadian education system is horrible, that just makes it comparable to ours.

It's not so bad that 67% of Americans think Canada has states, because they're relating the truth to a concept which they are more familiar with. At least they've got a general idea. I wonder how many Canadians could place Carson City, or name the capital of Illinois.

I'm not sure why that required a rant. I didn't intend to indicate derision, I was just honestly surprised. :(

I didn't take your comments as rant worthy myself, but we Canadians tend to have a rather openly displayed inferiority complex. (As opposed to the Americans, whose inferiority complex has to do with Culture. Just take a peep @ Las Vegas. Disneyworld, etc. and you'll see what I mean. Monuments to other cultures monuments? errrr...okay, whatever floats yer boat. Pity, since America veryt much has a distinct history and culture to be proud of)

When I meet Americans up here Canada, they seem just like folks to me. I take comfort in the fact it goes both ways. (I still hate your gov't, but I like your peoples :)
Carson City is Nevada, but I only know that because I've passed through there on the way Burning Man, more than once.

I was in Illinois maybe 6 months ago, but I haen't a clue as to it's capital. Wilmette? nurgh.....brain malfunction.

When it comes to history and tradition, I appreciate what Queen Victoria did for Canada. When the push for Confederation was begining, ministers and diplomats in the British Empire made many noises of worry and disagreement. Queen Victoria trumped them all and said (I'm paraphrasing here) "Well why not let them. Its a Canadian thing!" (meaning we acheived nationhood through consensus rather than bloodshed) Thats why I go out and get plasted every Two-Four.

But the current monarchy does precious little for Canada besides provide an excellent excuse for pomp and circumstance that Americans only wish they had the cultural catchet to do without looking like pompous twits. We have the monmarchy to be pompous twits for us.

The Queen and much of the Royal family hold titles and ownership over some huge chunks of real estate here in Canada. Not as rulers, but as citizens. Somehow that just stinks, especially when the pay us no taxes upon their Canadian real estate.

They're useless. :mp5: Give em the long drop, swing em from a gibbet and charge yankees tourists exhorbitant sums to pick bits of flesh from their bones for souvenir purposes.

What never ceases to surprise me is how many Americans come up to gawk at and rvere the Royals when they pay a visit to Canada. I think Americans have secret desire for a dynasty all their own (and I don't mean the awful old soap opera)

Let them have it! We can sell them our monarchy. Asking price: One Trillion dollars. We'll probably have settle for something more like 100 Billion, seeing as the future king is a cauliflower-eared divorcee with a penchant for bumming butlers.

What the hell, you can have em for free. We don't need them anymore.

Monarchy? Oh right, you mean that obsolete system, wherein we have the queen's ass representative first horse woman Clarkson, who has no more charisma than a flat cheese fart... Whatever. I really don't care.

Whats with all the hostility, they don't do you any harm realy, I;m the one who pays for them, you just get some old picture of her on your coins and the ocasional "Hello". If you got rid of the Monarchy,who would you replace them with?

--snip-- If you got rid of the Monarchy,who would you replace them with?

How about an elected Grand Cheif, open to anyone with full First Nations status. It would at least be more relevant a position, and would go some ways tpwards redressing the wrongs we've visited upon the First Nations since we first came to this land. You can bet it would draw way more European and Asian tourists than some absentee Queen who cares more about her preciuos Corgis than she does about Canada.

Ol' Lizzie dosen't really hold much meaning for us Canadians... but costs us money. How does that work out? I say we abolish the monarchy, and send Jack Layton and his bald, reflective scalp to Britain and let them keep him, to return the favour :D

Are you proud of being Canadian at all? Is not Canadian history intertwined with British history? Okay, get rid of the Queen. What next? How much Canadiana do you want to throw away? How much like the States do you want to be? At least we British show our friendship for America and keep our own uniqueness. Maybe Canada doesn't deserve it's place in history. Are you aware that just about the only two thing that distinguish Canada from the USA, in the worlds eyes, is the Queen and the French? Go on, become little Americans but don't whine when the realisation sets in of what you've become.

the queen should pay taxes...



she does :p

On a side note, only 47% of Canadians know about Sir John, eh? I'm a public-school educated American and even I've heard of him! :D I go to sir john A. mcdonald juniour high school, what you talkin about

the monarchy is an important link with our European heritage. it should definatly be kept in place.

1) I'm 100% celtic. I'm the first ever child in my family from the catholic rebel Ireland to be born in Canada. I support the monarchy because they are part of a tradition.
2) I make fun of the French Canada for causing problems at home and also being forced to learn a language I know I wont use again after grade 11 (I am the reason Anglophone's shouldn't speak another language). I also make fun of English Canada aka Ontario for being ethnocentric... but Quebec has that problem too. But I can also attempt to parler en francais oui oui tres bien quelle cauchemar. (and when I say Quebec's problems, I'm going back until the first rebellion and up to now...) Tres bien! tu parles en anglais!!! lol jk
3)We agree on three :D
4) Ottawa is known to be a universal mess. I am calmed and surpressing my wrath. And I too hold the right to criticize Canada and all of its provinces up until a certain point.
aurevoir pour dix neuf minute.
1) Good for you. That's your choice. (No sarsacm intented :D ). And it is mine to reject the Queen. Probably because I am living in a different culture than yours. ;)
2) Well, I cannot do anything about it you (and other English speakers) being forced to learn French. Keep in mind that we Québécois have to learn English, although the chances of using it are slim unless you get involved with a company that uses both languages, and obviously, when you visit other provinces. So we are even that we are both being forced to learn a language. ;) I believe the Canadians should learn French if they want to, but however...I'm too pro-francophone, so I believe, in Québec, that the francophones and immigrants must receive their education in French until graduation from secondary schools. The francophones sometimes have a lot of trouble learning the standard French grammar (because we speak "le joual" (slang), not like French in France), so I think it is necessary for them to be educated in French. Even I get stumbled in the middle of a complex French report. Tricky language, I am sure you know that by now. :)
3) Excellent! :D
4) Indeed, just like now...shit, I know you'll agree it's hell now. :headbang:

Ah I talked too much. Anyhow, it's nice to have this little discussion. :D

À bientôt!

1) Good for you. That's your choice. (No sarsacm intented :D ). And it is mine to reject the Queen. Probably because I am living in a different culture than yours. ;)
2) Well, I cannot do anything about it you (and other English speakers) being forced to learn French. Keep in mind that we Québécois have to learn English, although the chances of using it are slim unless you get involved with a company that uses both languages, and obviously, when you visit other provinces. So we are even that we are both being forced to learn a language. ;) I believe the Canadians should learn French if they want to, but however...I'm too pro-francophone, so I believe, in Québec, that the francophones and immigrants must receive their education in French until graduation from secondary schools. The francophones sometimes have a lot of trouble learning the standard French grammar (because we speak "le joual" (slang), not like French in France), so I think it is necessary for them to be educated in French. Even I get stumbled in the middle of a complex French report. Tricky language, I am sure you know that by now. :)
3) Excellent! :D
4) Indeed, just like now...shit, I know you'll agree it's hell now. :headbang:

Ah I talked too much. Anyhow, it's nice to have this little discussion. :D

À bientôt!

okay, so I think we can say we agree on most and agree to feel differently on other issues. :D (I can live with that). :)

oui oui mon ami. Ottawa c'est disastre!!!! Paul Martin est un salo (spelling/grammar is most likely way off). Hopefully my point is made though :p

au revoir!

Right, as a Royalist Brit, this is how I see it:
1.Despite some bad publisity, they are still a popular public institution, just look at the Jubillee selebrations last year!
2.They represent National Unity and purpose to both Britian and the outside world and helps integrate British society.
3.Provides continuity in a rapidly changing society.
4.the cost of sustaining the monarchy is £75million a year, is less then the income generated through tourism and trade generated by the monarchy and is far cheaper then a presidency such as the USA or France.
5.The Heireditary principal keeps them above party politics, and if a hung parliament occured (neither party getting a majority) then she would have to make a desision as to the formation of the next parliament and if she were elected then party politics would entre into it automaticaly.
6.Australia has already had a vote as to becoming a republic, and its not that they wanted the Queen to stay, but the other guys were such asses that She was the lesser of two evils.7.Finaly what would happen to the British national antheme, It's all about her, with out her it would be complaetly re-writen, i don't think any other song could fill my heart with the same sence of patriotism....possibly "Rule Britania".
thats my thought for the day, use it well! Long live the Queen!!!

No what happened was the monarchists saying if you want the American system, vote no on a republic.
This happened because the suggested Australian system would have been change the GG into an selected head of state, call him a president and have him a an balanicng influence on parliment.
However most wanted the screwed up American system where the president is direct-elected, and the most appealing politician wins.
So the monachists knowing that a huge part of Australian wanted a republic, misled the public (Like most politicans) into believeing that they should vote No

Here's a different idea.

Patriate the monarchy!

... seriously.

We already brought the Constitution home - now it's time we brought the monarchy home, too. When Elizabeth II dies, we should create a Canadian royal family instead of having that lecher Prince Charles as King. Just take an Alberta conservative and a Quebec federalist, marry them together and start getting princes and princesses. Just install them in Rideau Hall and essentially replace the Governor General.

Am I missing something? Even if we got rid of the Monarchy, wouldn't we still be a parlimentary system, not a Republic?

Am I missing something? Even if we got rid of the Monarchy, wouldn't we still be a parlimentary system, not a Republic?
Yes, you are. While we would still most likely retain the parliamentary system, the Prime Minister is only the head of government, not head of state. The monarch is the head of state, and if we got rid of the monarchy, we would need to appoint or elect a head of state - most likely a president, which would make us a republic.

Basic material from grade 10 civics, really.

Vive Sa Majesté la Reine Elizabeth Deuxième du Nom!!!!

Well, I am not a Canadian - therefore I haven't voted. However, I am a citizen of a monarchy - Sweden.

Although those that know my political opinions would probably expect me to be pro-Republican, in the Swedish case I have grudgingly come to the conclusion that we should retain our monarchy. However, I believe it should be further slimmed down in cost etc. For those that don't know, the Swedish royal family is much smaller than the UK's and much more open; e.g. the King will give tv interviews from time-to-time etc.

The reason I am slightly pro the status quo is that I think that the possible alternative could be worse (rather than the monarchy being fantastic.) I think that there are advantages to having an independent apolitical head of state. I wouldn't like to see a political appointee as head of state - an election for President would naturally involve a president possible not able to be seen as a president for all Swedes (i.e. noy 100% of people are likely to vote for 1 candidate). I think keeping our national representative above politics is a good thing.

As for Canada, I can only advise. It would seem that fact the your Governer-General is performing most of the acts of a head of state de facto. Thus, perhaps this model is suitable for you to maintain an apolitcal head of state.

[QUOTE=Islandid]1) I don't want the Queen prancing in my province. But I am sure she won't get a welcome from the Québécois. So I am not expecting her to be in Québec. I have Irish in my blood as well, my Celtic ancestors would turn in their graves if I ever happily wave at the Queen.
2) I find it fun to knock down Anglo-Canadians for spitting hatred and ignorance at me and at the Québécois for being French speakers. If they keep a respectful tone, like you did, I would be happy to discuss Québec's (and Canada's of course) problems and role in Canada with respect in return. If I am an Anglo-hating French Canadian, why am I speaking English? ;)
3) Yes, it is true that Québec uses too much of the federal money for special interests.
4) Calm yourself, you have every right to critize Québec as I have every right


Je suis Québécois et je supporte la monarchie parlementaire , non pas absolue

Je suis Québécois et je supporte la monarchie parlementaire , non pas absoluetes rrien k'un teteux

Je suis Québécois et je supporte la monarchie parlementaire , non pas absolue

oui!!! Tres Bien :D :D

oui!!! Tres Bien :D :DLOL,
you need to fire your frog teacher :D

el es un zerote :D

No more Royalty in Canada!
It's an age-old debate, but when one looks at it... the Monarchy is what is destroying ties towards Quebec. It causes us to lose our public reputation in the world and its bringing nothing in return. However, it does create an interesting relationship with other Commonwealth countries. We're heavily involved with the economies of Commonwealths in the Caribbean (Jamaica for one).

If we lost the monarchy, if we lost having them as the Head of State, I think we would be better off. It would help establish the National Identity that I think has been slow-coming for Canada. And this I think would help heal wounds with Quebec, which is at odds with the 'English-Canadians' all the time.

I think it would help us realize that we're not British subjects nor are we French colonists. We're Canadians now, and thats something to be damn proud of. If we just showed the world that we're united under one common theme like the rest of the world's great powers, then I think we could only benefit.

God damn parasites of society, as useless as the hind tits on a boars ass.
As a memebr of of one of the innumerable families of disposessed nobilty from Eastern Europe (east germany in my family's case)n, you'd think I'd be an avowed Monarchist.

The reality is that anyone witha a Royal or Aristocratic title differs from their fellow human beings in one way only: We get to put funny words like Lord, Duke, King etc. in fron t of our name. I fail to see why, in a land of equality, some should be me equal than others. Much better things could be done with all that money and property Prince "Zeig Heil" Henry's tatseless and irresponsible antics are but one example of the old, out-dated attitudes exlempified by the English Royal House. I say the Brits have their monarchy, but don't make me and millions of my fellow Canadians genuflect before a family of inbred tax pirates.

While I do enjoy the political distinction from our southern neighbours that a monarchy affords us, surely there must be a better way to acheive this. I say line em up and shoot em, and throw Steven Harper and his band of dipshits in with them.

I really like this person..

Its about bloody time this country got rid of inbred deadweight and social retardation. A firing squad sounds like a wonderful and festive way of doing this. These parasites of society have done absolutely nothing to earn the vast sums of money they feel entitled to simply by accident of birth. The homelessness problem in every commonwealth country, not just Canada and the UK, could be solved with all the money we'd save by not having to put up with that old cow Elizabeth 2 and her brood of snivveling brats.

Do you really want an adulteroous cad and his horsevomit ugly wife to be the figureheads of our country? If we need a figurehead to distinguish ourselves from the US, why not let it be in the form of an elected Grand Chief. It would have a lot more to do with the actual history of this country, and would go a long way towards redressing all the wrongs we've perpetrated against our First Nations peoples.

Break out the short plank, it.s time some people went for a long walk off of it.

My feelings exactly.

I'm not in favour of any Monarchy, i'm not in favour of the death penalty either but, lets tar and lynch them.