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Danke Schoen.

http://www.buttercupdays.co.uk/images/0775.jpg.jpg

:D

Winchester 1873 (http://www.rarewinchesters.com/images/1873/model_73.htm) :D

okay, links:

Colt Python (blue): http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976534131.htm

Colt 1991A1 .45ACP: http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976238019.htm

Browning Hi-Power: http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976332130.htm

Beretta 92FS: http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm


these are four pistols i'd love to own.

http://www.kandoo.com/kandoo/PRODUCTS.NSF/Products/77F4FB66D17C0F2580256AA90056BBAC/$file/water-gun-backpack.jpg

...this rifle, in .308Win: http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/index.php?id=105

and if I were going to buy a shotgun, it'd be this one:

http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870mrmag.htm

oh and the Sex Pistols

This is the place for posting pictures of your favorite firearms, asking questions about guns and discussing guns. Could we please keep 2nd Amendment debate out of here?

Danke Schoen.
I just can't find time to shoot anymore. I bought a Kimber Custom II last fall and other than a couple trips to the range, I haven't had it out of the box.

What does bug me is that I'm a decent shot with the Colt 1911 I've owned for a while. I aim center of mass and that's usually where I hit the target. With the Kimber, I had great expectations, but I keep shooting a group about 6 inches at 5 o'clock from my aimpoint.

With a rifle, you can set up a bench rest and sandbags and get a good idea if the thing shoots straight, or not. What can you do in a similar manner for a pistol?

I can't find a picture of it, but the P-38 Space Modulator is my favorite gun.

With a rifle, you can set up a bench rest and sandbags and get a good idea if the thing shoots straight, or not. What can you do in a similar manner for a pistol?


Couple of things. You can get a vise, then all you do is work the trigger, or you can use a bench and sandbags much like you would with a rifle. It feels a little awkward but you can get much more stable and get your arms locked better. At least then you can get an idea if it's you or the gun that's off. If you get on the bench and feel as though your doing everything right, good grip, good control and no flinching and the POI is still off then then try a couple of different kinds of ammo. Different guns like different pills. :)

http://www.buttercupdays.co.uk/images/0775.jpg.jpg

:D

LMAO HAHAHA1

I can't find a picture of it, but the P-38 Space Modulator is my favorite gun.

PU 36.

The Eludium PU 36 Exlosive Space Modulator. I haven't found a picture, but I have found the site referring to the weapon's development: http://www.seatech.org/eludiumpu36/

I just can't find time to shoot anymore. I bought a Kimber Custom II last fall and other than a couple trips to the range, I haven't had it out of the box.

What does bug me is that I'm a decent shot with the Colt 1911 I've owned for a while. I aim center of mass and that's usually where I hit the target. With the Kimber, I had great expectations, but I keep shooting a group about 6 inches at 5 o'clock from my aimpoint.

With a rifle, you can set up a bench rest and sandbags and get a good idea if the thing shoots straight, or not. What can you do in a similar manner for a pistol?

Well, if you think its a sight alignment issue (years ago I had a kimber with adjustable rear sight, it was a decent piece), some companies do market a pistol rest to let you check that possibility. If you're pulling 5 o'clock, one instructor told me that indicates you're snatching the trigger a bit. Try easing up your pull to a steady consistent pressure ('course, I imagine something different works for everybody). Six inches is not a terrible grouping anyway, depending on the distance. I used to be able to shoot a 2 inch group at 50 ft, slowfire. I haven't shot in years and I was never an expert. Anyway, give the pistol rest a shot if you think its the sight. Could well be.

I just can't find time to shoot anymore. I bought a Kimber Custom II last fall and other than a couple trips to the range, I haven't had it out of the box.

What does bug me is that I'm a decent shot with the Colt 1911 I've owned for a while. I aim center of mass and that's usually where I hit the target. With the Kimber, I had great expectations, but I keep shooting a group about 6 inches at 5 o'clock from my aimpoint.

With a rifle, you can set up a bench rest and sandbags and get a good idea if the thing shoots straight, or not. What can you do in a similar manner for a pistol?

we need to get Whispering Legs in here... he is the expert.

(slip) ...or Saint Curie.

i am a gun collector and a student of war..if i can be of any use please ask me or you can tell me to sod off and die...i have reasonable knowledge of fire arms and am willling to learn

we need to get Whispering Legs in here... he is the expert.

What did you want to know?

Here's a good link that explains how the bench rest a pistol. They are talking hunting pistol so you want to adjust the distances that you're sighting at but you'll get the idea anyway.


Link (http://www.chuckhawks.com/bench_rest_handgun.htm)

(slip) ...or Saint Curie.

I'm sorry, I was just making a few suggestions. I don't posture myself as an expert (especially since I think that's a quantifiable term with firearms, requiring a certain accuracy at a certain range achieved in competition, which I've never done and am certainly not capable of). If I came off as pretentious, I'm honestly sorry. I was just passing on something I was told during a basic pistol course I took years ago to get my carry permit. I don't claim to be able to outshoot anybody or preach any definitive method.

That said, you could get some snapcaps and test yourself for flinch. Have the rangemaster load your magazine, substituting a snapcap (basically a plastic dud) for one of the rounds. (make sure to observe all range rules, which may include keeping the mag out of the weapon until you're on the line and ready to fire). Then, go through the mag. When the snap cap hits, you'll know if you're flinching or not. Might give you and idea of if you're flinching and how much.

I want that one. (On the left)

http://webalbum.hartlauer.at/home/998987928/uploads/03f6.m.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw1.jpg <<< omgz0rs

and

http://www.hkpro.com/image/gmgcover.jpg << Grenade MACHINE GUN!!!!!!!

Here's a good link that explains how the bench rest a pistol. They are talking hunting pistol so you want to adjust the distances that you're sighting at but you'll get the idea anyway.


Link (http://www.chuckhawks.com/bench_rest_handgun.htm)
Good article. Thanks. I'm probably more rusty than anything, but I want to make sure I don't have any thing to blame but me. I'll probably load some blanks, too, and see how that works.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw1.jpg <<< omgz0rs

and

http://www.hkpro.com/image/gmgcover.jpg << Grenade MACHINE GUN!!!!!!!

The Oicw is a horrible system, using a grenade launcher and an underpowered 5.56mm part. The FN-2000 and Papop are much more promising.

Here's a good link that explains how the bench rest a pistol. They are talking hunting pistol so you want to adjust the distances that you're sighting at but you'll get the idea anyway.


Link (http://www.chuckhawks.com/bench_rest_handgun.htm)

The problem is that when you hunt with a pistol (especially a scoped hunting pistol), you are likely to try to find a rest position to shoot from - so you're going to shoot as you did during practice.

With a combat pistol, it doesn't work the same way. You will not shoot the same way standing as you would from a bench. If you're consistently shooting a gun of the same weight, same action, and same caliber to a different point of aim, especially one that is lower than your previous shooting experience, there are several possibilities:

1. The bullet weight being fired in the gun shooting lower is different from the other gun (if they're both 230gr hardball of the same brand, then forget this one).
2. The trigger pull is lighter on the gun shooting lower.
3. For some reason, at this shooting session, you've developed a minor flinch - have someone chamber or not chamber a round without telling you, and shoot - if you flinch on a dry fire, you'll know that's the problem. I usually start a shooting session with a few of these, so that I can settle in.
4. If ammo is the same, and you're not flinching, and the group is tight and consistent, you need to adjust the sights to match the ammunition you plan to use in combat.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1945/Guns/Handbus.jpg
Sexay :P

Well, if anti-gun people are going to spam this thread with bogus pictures...
First, a family portrait:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0516.jpg

The Heavy Gun:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0511.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0512.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0515.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0513.jpg


FN Special Police Rifle, 1st Gen, in HS Precision stock modled after the old Winchester Marksman. Not trusting aluminum bedding blocks, I immediatly milled out some of the blocks and reglassed it in Marinetex. I also fitted the rail on the bottom, target rifle-style, and it has a match-type handstop fitted for slung-up shooting. The scope is an IOR 3.5x10x56 illuminated with their MP-8 reticle. Nominaly a hunting scope, it lacks the big knobs of the full-blown tactical scopes but it works. Rings and bases are both Badger, the sling is an early example of Mike Millers Tactical Intervention slings. Definatly one of the better ideas for this sort of rifle. I fabbed and fitted the bolt handle myself out of 6160-T6. An Eagle stock pack finishes the list for this one.

How well does it shoot?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0524.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0523.jpg

The top targets are at 200, the bottom one is at 500, bipod prone. After the first three, it opens up to about a 1 MOA rifle, but for those first three, it is scary accurate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/0bcacba7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0509.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/bullet308/DSCF0506.jpg

Armalite AR-10 with standard 20" chrome-lined tube and a float tube. 3.5 lb trigger by JARD, and the bipod is temporarily lashed on with 550 cord for testing. So far, this is a 1.25" rifle at 200 yards, my guess is that I can get it to go 1/2 MOA with some load tweaking, which is a damn-site better than ANY AR-10T I have ever shot. Dont ask me why this thing shoots so well. It just does. The scope is made in Belaurussia, is of fixed 8x and has the standard Dragunov reticle, illuminated. Nice glass, but figuring out how to zero it is a bit of a challenge.

This one
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*SNIP*
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Nice stuff.

The chicken launcher I mentioned in another thread :D

http://www.3d-palace.com/modules/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_chicken%20launcher.jpg

I have one :D

This is the place for posting pictures of your favorite firearms, asking questions about guns and discussing guns. Could we please keep 2nd Amendment debate out of here?

Danke Schoen.

If I promise not to talk about the econdSay mendmentAy, will you send me a free gun?

One of those Sex Pistols or P-38 Modulators would be nice. :D

South Africa's street sweeper (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/SH09-E.HTM) or the Barrett Model M99 (M99-1) (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn54-e.htm), so badass it needs gas vents at the end of the barrel.

Or this (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn56-e.htm[/url) monster. Looks like the anti-tank rifle they used in GITS does'nt it?

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The problem is that when you hunt with a pistol (especially a scoped hunting pistol), you are likely to try to find a rest position to shoot from - so you're going to shoot as you did during practice.

With a combat pistol, it doesn't work the same way. You will not shoot the same way standing as you would from a bench. If you're consistently shooting a gun of the same weight, same action, and same caliber to a different point of aim, especially one that is lower than your previous shooting experience, there are several possibilities:

2. The trigger pull is lighter on the gun shooting lower.


I think this is a factor. The Kimber trigger is a whole lot lighter and smoother than the GI Colt. What's the answer, make the trigger pull harder? It's not too light, about the same as my 4.5 lb Garand trigger.

I hate being up this time of night. One of the dogs started this incessant barking and I had to get up and investigate. I think it was just water dripping from the eaves, but this dog doesn't usually get too excited, ever. Now, I've got to go read something and try to go back to sleep for a couple hours.

I'm planning on shooting in a High Power match today, although since I'm awake I should just pack and go to the mountains to fish. Hmmm. That's not such a bad idea.

Last thing, Legs, or anyone else, do you have an opinion about the 45 GAP rounds and pistols that are starting to become popular? I like the small size and I'm looking for a small 40/45 cal to carry in my pocket. Any favorites?

If I promise not to talk about the econdSay mendmentAy, will you send me a free gun?

One of those Sex Pistols or P-38 Modulators would be nice. :D

I'd be happy to pay for your gun, Cat, but you'll have to fill out your own Form 4473, so as to avoid any legal complexities.

I think this is a factor. The Kimber trigger is a whole lot lighter and smoother than the GI Colt. What's the answer, make the trigger pull harder? It's not too light, about the same as my 4.5 lb Garand trigger.

I hate being up this time of night. One of the dogs started this incessant barking and I had to get up and investigate. I think it was just water dripping from the eaves, but this dog doesn't usually get too excited, ever. Now, I've got to go read something and try to go back to sleep for a couple hours.

I'm planning on shooting in a High Power match today, although since I'm awake I should just pack and go to the mountains to fish. Hmmm. That's not such a bad idea.

Last thing, Legs, or anyone else, do you have an opinion about the 45 GAP rounds and pistols that are starting to become popular? I like the small size and I'm looking for a small 40/45 cal to carry in my pocket. Any favorites?


You're used to pulling a heavier trigger, and you know the other trigger is lighter - but you're used to anticipating the release of the heavier trigger. You need to do some practice with the Kimber alone for a few range sessions, especially with the surprise dry fire.

The 45 GAP round will send out a 230gr projectile at the same nominal velocity as an ordinary (not +P) 45 ACP - provided you're not in a really short barrel. That being said, IMHO, it's a better round than a 380 or 9mm, and you can get the 45 GAP in a really small package now. I've seen a 1911 in 45 GAP, and it's tiny. Let's just say I'm a fan of big holes, and at pistol velocities, you can't count on much other than big holes as deep as you can make them.

Up to date, as small as I'll go is a Mauser M2 in 45 ACP (haven't bought a 45 GAP yet). But smaller would be nicer.

the TEC-9. easy to wound a large group of civilians in seconds even with minimal firearm experience

http://img222.echo.cx/img222/668/tec93nr.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

the TEC-9. easy to wound a large group of civilians in seconds even with minimal firearm experience

http://img222.echo.cx/img222/668/tec93nr.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

You are obviously someone who has never fired on. It is a peculiarly inaccurate and unreliable weapon. It's primary value comes in its ugly appearance, which tends to frighten those with no experience in weapons.

I bet I could stand at 100 yards, and you could fire the whole magazine at me, and you would miss me.

Is this the "Don't attempt to rob the houses of these NSers" thread? :)

I used to have the time to shot a few rounds with my father's pistols when I was younger, but no more shooting anything for me now.

You are obviously someone who has never fired on. It is a peculiarly inaccurate and unreliable weapon. It's primary value comes in its ugly appearance, which tends to frighten those with no experience in weapons.

I bet I could stand at 100 yards, and you could fire the whole magazine at me, and you would miss me.

thats the point. Cheap and cheerful. empty at close range. preferably at somebody whos just nicked your crack

thats the point. Cheap and cheerful. empty at close range. preferably at somebody whos just nicked your crack
You think you could actually empty a Tec-9 mag in one burst? The piece of junk would jam after the first five rounds or so.

By the way, while we're at it: is anyone familiar with Dan Wesson's Alaskan Guide revolver in .445 SuperMag? If yes, I need some questions answered:

1)How big, and, more importantly, how heavy is it? (In metric system please). Their website doesn't specify the weight, and I've heard that Dan Wessons tend to weight like twice more than other guns in the same calibers...
2)How controllable is the recoil- manageable or wrist-wrenching?
3)What's the longest reasonable range at which one could hit a target the size of, say, a wolf with this gun in a "snapshot" in real hunting conditions, not at a shooting range when you have all the time in the world? (No, I am not going wolf hunting, just sort of making a research for something I am writing).

"Ohh no, the popular tec-9 is going to kill us all!"

Even though you could do just as much damage, or more, with an Ar-15, AK-47 clone, two baretta 92fs's(not firing both at the same time...), an SKS with an Ak-47 magazine, an AK-74 knockoff, etc. Why complain about a crappy 9mm carbine? Any of the guns I mentioned will kill people just as well, if not better, and will make a fightout with cops much easier as well.

The Eludium PU 36 Exlosive Space Modulator
that is the firecracker that Marvin the Martian uses to prime his space cannon to destroy the earth, but bugs bunny steals it, don't you watch enough cartoons?

I currently do not have a favorite gun, but the barrett light fifty is on my wish list (and at $9000 a copy, will be there for a long time)

My last gun purchase was the bushmaster bullpup
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/m17s/
along with a taurus 44 magnum revolver and I have not had a chance to shoot either, the range I am a member of has been closed for construction work

I can't hit the broad side of a barn with my 45 auto either, every shot is high and to the right, unadjustable sights on my Norinco 45 auto

I have a couple of black powder guns and they are fun to shoot

You're used to pulling a heavier trigger, and you know the other trigger is lighter - but you're used to anticipating the release of the heavier trigger. You need to do some practice with the Kimber alone for a few range sessions, especially with the surprise dry fire.

Thanks to Daylight Savings, I can probably do that.

Up to date, as small as I'll go is a Mauser M2 in 45 ACP (haven't bought a 45 GAP yet). But smaller would be nicer.
Doesn't the Mauser M2 have some weird kind of disconnector or something instead of a normal sear so that you have to fire it double action? With a 1911-style auto, you just pull the hammer back, pull the trigger and the gas does the rest. Is it hard getting used to a double action pistol?

why is a remington .308 called a .308? is it actually .308 inches?

why is a remington .308 called a .308? is it actually .308 inches?

As its been explained to me by an instructor, the calibre designation indicates the diameter of the barrel the round is fired through, in 0.xx or 0.xxx inches or xx millimeters. However, there are evidently a number of exceptions. For instance, the .38 and .357 rounds are actually fired out of the same barrel, and you can use .38 shells in a gun chambered for .357 (the shorter casing on the .38 being only very slightly shorter). Also, using bullet diameter to describe a cartridge is problematic since there are many different sized shells that use the same projectile (i.e., I know handloaders who use the same bullets to make .308, 30-06, british .303 and a few other rounds, which differ in case length/size/shape but can use the same bullet). Also, different countries use different terms. The .380 handgun round is called 9mm short in some countries.

why is a remington .308 called a .308? is it actually .308 inches?
A caliber is that many thousandths of an inch. So a 30 cal is 0.300 inches, a 45 cal is 0.450 inches, and a 9 mm is metric and we don't want to talk about that.

Just to run on and on, how do shotgun gauges correspond to inches?

As its been explained to me by an instructor, the calibre designation indicates the diameter of the barrel the round is fired through, in 0.xx or 0.xxx inches or xx millimeters. However, there are evidently a number of exceptions. For instance, the .38 and .357 rounds are actually fired out of the same barrel, and you can use .38 shells in a gun chambered for .357 (the shorter casing on the .38 being only very slightly shorter). Also, using bullet diameter to describe a cartridge is problematic since there are many different sized shells that use the same projectile (i.e., I know handloaders who use the same bullets to make .308, 30-06, british .303 and a few other rounds, which differ in case length/size/shape but can use the same bullet). Also, different countries use different terms. The .380 handgun round is called 9mm short in some countries.

indeed, but in metric units I've seen the 30-06 which has a 30 calibre round as 7.62mmX63mm, and I've also seen the .308 which is described as a 30 calibre round as 7.62mmX51mm

so I'm pretty sure the thing is actually .300 inches, so why would they name it .308?

A caliber is that many thousandths of an inch. So a 30 cal is 0.300 inches, a 45 cal is 0.450 inches, and a 9 mm is metric and we don't want to talk about that.

Just to run on and on, how do shotgun gauges correspond to inches?

same instructor told me a gauge in this context is "The number of lead balls, each having the diameter of the barrel, that would combine to one pound in weight". So, the smaller the gauge, the bigger the barrel (hence a 12 gauge has a wider barrel than a 20 gauge, I've only ever seen one 10 gauge barrel, and it was quite silly looking)

edit: to be clear, I may not be explaining it correctly, and it is an odd system. Imagine a big, 1 lbs lead ball being fired out of a gigantic "1 gauge", divide the ball into two smaller balls to be fired out of a "2 gauge" and so forth.

indeed, but in metric units I've seen the 30-06 which has a 30 calibre round as 7.62mmX63mm, and I've also seen the .308 which is described as a 30 calibre round as 7.62mmX51mm

so I'm pretty sure the thing is actually .300 inches, so why would they name it .308?

Yup, you got it right, there. The russians have used 7.62 X 39 and 7.62 X 54 in some of their stuff. If I had to put money on it, I'd guess it goes back to whatever company developed and marketed the round. They might designate them the same way some companies name their car model numbers.
Like a BMW 325 is part of the 3 series, with a 2.5 liter engine, so they call it a 325. Winchester or others might have some method like that.

Yup, you got it right, there. The russians have used 7.62 X 39 and 7.62 X 54 in some of their stuff. If I had to put money on it, I'd guess it goes back to whatever company developed and marketed the round. They might designate them the same way some companies name their car model numbers.
Like a BMW 325 is part of the 3 series, with a 2.5 liter engine, so they call it a 325. Winchester or others might have some method like that.

damn your corperate America

thanks

damn your corperate America

thanks

I know, I know. Its gets truly silly at times. Some years back, a company used a necked-down .40 casing to house a 9mm round, and then marketed it as a ".357 SIG". Similarly, the .40 casing, what they once thought of as 10mm short, is now marketed as .40 S&W. Its like the old skit "Whose on First"...

Joe: I love my .357 SIG.

Dave: Oh yeah? When did you buy a Sig?

Joe: I don't have a Sig, I have an HK USP.

Dave: But, you just said you had a .357 Sig!

Joe: I do, I traded in my .40 S&W.

Dave: But you didn't have a Smith and Wesson, you had a Glock!

Joe: I know, I traded the Glock .40 S&W for the HK USP .357 Sig.

Dave: Wait...how many guns do you have?

Being only 18, and paying my way through college (in a dorm, where you cannot legally posess any weapons), I only have one gun, but I do love it deeply.

My Ruger .22 caliber semi-automatic pistol (http://www.precisionweaponscorp.com/images/Pistol.jpg). No kick whatsoever, but damn is it loud.

thats the point. Cheap and cheerful. empty at close range. preferably at somebody whos just nicked your crack

A plain jane 1911 is far deadlier. But since you're not familiar with firearms, you wouldn't know it. If you saw it in the showcase next to the Tec-9, you wouldn't think the 1911 was any more lethal looking than a paperweight.

It's not the looks, kid.

My favorite pistol: 9mm Makarov (relatively inexpensive, rugged, powerful enough for home defense, and small enough that my wife and mother can use it easily.

Favorite Shotgun: Norinco 12 ga dbl barrel sidexside ( I just like the feel and look of it)

Favorite high caliber rifle: K98 Mauser (classic, one of the best and most reliable actions ever made)

Favorite intermediate Caliber rifle: SAR-1 (Semi-auto AK clone)

Favorite Low Caliber (Marlin Model 81 Bolt action .22)

I just had to post this.

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_oct2003/NunsWithGuns.jpg

Also, for those of you who are more pious.

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/jesus-with-rifle.jpg

I just had to post this.

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_oct2003/NunsWithGuns.jpg

Also, for those of you who are more pious.

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/jesus-with-rifle.jpg

That second one might prove that the LDS's are right. Americans are the ones that use Lever Actions most. :)

that is the firecracker that Marvin the Martian uses to prime his space cannon to destroy the earth, but bugs bunny steals it, don't you watch enough cartoons?

I currently do not have a favorite gun, but the barrett light fifty is on my wish list (and at $9000 a copy, will be there for a long time)

My last gun purchase was the bushmaster bullpup
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/m17s/
along with a taurus 44 magnum revolver and I have not had a chance to shoot either, the range I am a member of has been closed for construction work

I can't hit the broad side of a barn with my 45 auto either, every shot is high and to the right, unadjustable sights on my Norinco 45 auto

I have a couple of black powder guns and they are fun to shoot


How is the M17? I was thinking of getting one, because I could not within reason buy a Famas.