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I would like to formally apologize for all the atrocities that have been committed by Christians in the name of God.

I apologize for The Crusades.

I apologize for those who have used the Bible to excuse slavery and the mistreament of non-white people.

I apologize for the pedophiliac priests and subsequent cover-ups.

We have often neglected our duties as Christians and fed our own petty egos and pushed our own petty agendas.

We are regularly of elitism and behaving like spoiled brats. Please forgive us.

I forgive you.

I would like to formally apologize for all the atrocities that have been committed by Christians in the name of God.

I apologize for The Crusades.

I apologize for those who have used the Bible to excuse slavery and the mistreament of non-white people.

I apologize for the pedophiliac priests and subsequent cover-ups.

We have often neglected our duties as Christians and fed our own petty egos and pushed our own petty agendas.

We are regularly of elitism and behaving like spoiled brats. Please forgive us.


I can forgive people (eventualy) but I will never forget
You are not responsible for thoes things that happened ... just learn from history and do all you can to make sure history does not repeat itself

Religion is a great tool it can unite people under a common cause with increadible amount of zeal ... but like any tool it can be pointed wrongly

Not good enough. I expect some serious self flagellation.

I would like to formally apologize for all the atrocities that have been committed by Christians in the name of God.

I apologize for The Crusades.

I apologize for those who have used the Bible to excuse slavery and the mistreament of non-white people.

I apologize for the pedophiliac priests and subsequent cover-ups.

We have often neglected our duties as Christians and fed our own petty egos and pushed our own petty agendas.

We are regularly of elitism and behaving like spoiled brats. Please forgive us.

Why are YOU apologising?

You've done something bad eh and your using this apology to channel your guilt aren't you? Admit it! CONFESS!!!!!!!!

Why are YOU apologising?

You've done something bad eh and your using this apology to channel your guilt aren't you? Admit it! CONFESS!!!!!!!!
I think he genuinly feels bad (we got into some of my past history with priests in another thread have a feeling it promped this)

I'm a Roman Catholic myself and recently have been searching for information on the Vaticans position during WW2, there is a lot of covering up I think...

I know I read somewhere in the bible that eventually the church would become corrupt, i'd say it started a long time ago. Although not all is rotten yet.

I think he genuinly feels bad (we got into some of my past history with priests in another thread have a feeling it promped this)

Ah ok. Don't pay any attention to what I say. I'm a jackass.

I think he genuinly feels bad (we got into some of my past history with priests in another thread have a feeling it promped this)
You were a catalyst, yes. There's a lot of anger in the forum (and in the world) against Christians for whatever reasons and I'm honestly sorry for the things other believers have done. I think sometimes Christians get so scared that if they admit that anything other Christians did was wrong then it discredits the entire religion.

Now let's hear some apologies from the representatives of people that wronged Christians in the past.

I'm a Roman Catholic myself and recently have been searching for information on the Vaticans position during WW2, there is a lot of covering up I think...

I know I read somewhere in the bible that eventually the church would become corrupt, i'd say it started a long time ago. Although not all is rotten yet.
The church has always had problems. Mainly because the church has been filled with imperfect humans.
At the risk of sounding egotistical here (http://jonmusings.blogspot.com/2005/04/honest-truth-about-church.html) is something I've written on the subject.

Now let's hear some apologies from the representatives of people that wronged Christians in the past.

Well, nothing I've done personally [you can all get screwed :)], however I am a quarter Irish and the in-fighting between the different christians over there has been dreadful over the years. I apologise on their behalf.

When are corneliu and panhandalia going to appologize for their hate mongering and liar spewing and rumor spreading and false witnessing on the matter of Terry and Michael Schiavo?

There should be memorials erected honoring the dead that the christian religion caused over the centuries. Christian faith has resulted in worse things than the holocaust. That is quite the achievement. The same goes for Islam btw.

Ein Deutscher']There should be memorials erected honoring the dead that the christian religion caused over the centuries. Christian faith has resulted in worse things than the holocaust. That is quite the achievement. The same goes for Islam btw.


Perhaps churches and mosques should all be built out of human remains.

Ein Deutscher']There should be memorials erected honoring the dead that the christian religion caused over the centuries. Christian faith has resulted in worse things than the holocaust. That is quite the achievement. The same goes for Islam btw.

How about we just have memorials honoring the dead, regardless of who caused their deaths?
Why do we need to blame the christian religion and followers? I'm not saying forget, we should remember what happened, and how dangerous a tool religion can be.
And, bearing that in mind, we should also remember how valuable a tool religion can be.

Let's just remember the dead, they're past caring who we point the finger at.

And let's be critical of the religions that are currently killing. Not in a "we're better than you, our religion/race/people never did wrong" but in a "we'd like this bad thing to stop. We've stopped, please stop as well".

Naive, yes.
Wrong, I don't think so.

Not good enough. I expect some serious self flagellation.

first the spanking, then the oral sex

Perhaps churches and mosques should all be built out of human remains.Funniest thing I've seen all day.

Perhaps churches and mosques should all be built out of human remains.

Many churches have ossuaries. So, while not being built out of, they are built on human remains.

i apologize on behalf of the german people for the crimes committed during wwii

first the spanking, then the oral sex
I was thinking more along the lines of whips, but that works too.

I apologize for my open and vicious mocking of Christianity and Christians in the past. True, they may have, in many ways, easrned my scorn, but it was never my place to attempt to even the score just because I thought those usually kind people were a bit on the loony side. As I have aged, I begin to see the immense diversity of human thought less as a freakshow and more as a testament to the variation and complexity of the human mind and soul. Whereas I thought it was necessary to tell someone they were fulla shit because of what they believed, I now attempt to understand more fully why they feel the way they do and to be amazed that someone like them and someone like me, along with millions of others, have such different perspectives. Nobody deserves to be castigated just because of what they believe. Do what you will, but harm none. Besides, life's just a ride -- relax and enjoy the show.

NdL

i apologize on behalf of the german people for the crimes committed during wwii


Why? Don't get me wrong, WWII was one of the worst things in the history of our world. But, as being a young german who opposes this feeling of guilt in my generation I wnat to understand how you can feel responsible for something your great-grandfighter did? You weren't born at hte time, you didn't support anybody back then, there was absoultely NOTHING you could have done to stop it! Don't feel guilty. Just try to make sure this never happens again. But please drop that genuine feelig of guilt just because you are german. We don't deserve that anymore.

As for the Christians, this is a bit different, because religion is a choice not like nationalitiy that you get when you are born. But it is only different to the point of what you beleive yourself. If you regret what you religion did then you will automatically try to ensure that it never happens again. For me, that's good enough. :)

You were a catalyst, yes. There's a lot of anger in the forum (and in the world) against Christians for whatever reasons and I'm honestly sorry for the things other believers have done. I think sometimes Christians get so scared that if they admit that anything other Christians did was wrong then it discredits the entire religion.
Its not anger (well some) as much as it is frustration (specialy at the attempt to controll our lives through projected morals)

There is some anger yes ... but if I can move from anger to disapointment with what happened to me anyone should be able to

I apologize on behalf of the Native Americans for not fighting harder.

Belgians kicked ass in the crusades! Hey, it's not like they didn't want to invade catholic Europe, so no sorry there.

I would like to formally apologize for all the atrocities that have been committed by Christians in the name of God.

I apologize for The Crusades.

I apologize for those who have used the Bible to excuse slavery and the mistreament of non-white people.

I apologize for the pedophiliac priests and subsequent cover-ups.

We have often neglected our duties as Christians and fed our own petty egos and pushed our own petty agendas.

We are regularly of elitism and behaving like spoiled brats. Please forgive us.
contrary to what your religion may teach you, you are not responsible for the sins of other people. if you committed any of the acts of describe then you are guilty of your own sins, and it is right for you to take responsibility for them, but you are NOT obligated to take the burden of other people's bad choices upon your own shoulders.

your people may believe that it is just to believe in that whole "sins of the father" hoohah, but most of us don't.

Perhaps churches and mosques should all be built out of human remains.

Now that is just really, really disgusting.

And a bit uncalled for, I think.

I would like to formally apologize for all the atrocities that have been committed by Christians in the name of God.

I apologize for The Crusades.

I apologize for those who have used the Bible to excuse slavery and the mistreament of non-white people.

I apologize for the pedophiliac priests and subsequent cover-ups.

We have often neglected our duties as Christians and fed our own petty egos and pushed our own petty agendas.

We are regularly of elitism and behaving like spoiled brats. Please forgive us.
I can't forgive you for the crusades because I'm pretty sure you didn't fight in them, and I wasn't harmed by them.

I can't forgive you for slavery because you probably have never owned a slave, and I've never been one.

I can't forgive you for pedophile priests because you're (hopefully) not a child molestor, and I've never been molested.

If you are guilty of the last two, for my part I forgive you.

My advice is to not feel guilty for things you crimes have not commited.

I'm not sure if i could accept an apology for past crimes or injustices or whatever that probably didn't directly effect me (indirectly perphaps but not directly). It's almost like a school teacher from Columnbine (sp) apologizing for the shooting simply because he taught there.

Also, the past is the past in that it is what it is. Right or wrong, i don't think an apology is going to do anything. I can say i'm sorry til i'm blue in the face, but if i'm still screwing you over, it doesn't really mean anything. To make an amend (set things right) now that's a different story.

As a christian, i can only be the best possible person i can be - but i'm not like that because i'm a christian...i just like to sleep peacefully at night.

Man are my thoughts scrambled or what? I'm sorry, i must need more coffee... :)

I would like to formally apologize for all the atrocities that have been committed by Christians in the name of God.

I apologize for The Crusades.

I apologize for those who have used the Bible to excuse slavery and the mistreament of non-white people.

I apologize for the pedophiliac priests and subsequent cover-ups.

We have often neglected our duties as Christians and fed our own petty egos and pushed our own petty agendas.

We are regularly of elitism and behaving like spoiled brats. Please forgive us.

The Crusades where not a cut and dry war on Islam for the sake of war on Islam. Originally the Crusades where a response to provocation, with the rise and spread of Islam in the Middle East the Christians that made pilgrimages there where being harassed and or murdered simply for being Christian. In addition to that the Muslims had conquered Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—as well as all of North Africa and most of Turkey. The Crusades where not the result of some power hungry pope looking to imperialistically expand and driven by religious fanatics, they where the direct result of a desperate cry from Constantinople for help as the Suljuk Turks where marching through Turkey. The crusades where wars of defense. Period. While some of you may think this is just an attempt to paint Christians in a good light that some of you are utterly incapable of seeing, it is historic fact.

http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6981/defense.htm
http://www.probe.org/docs/crusades.html
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/crusades_05.htm

Read them, don't fucking apologies.

Beyond that, the loudest voices in the Abolition of Slavery where Christian preachers. Churches in the North where were perhaps the largest number of people where turning from indifferent to strongly against Slavery.

I have to agree with you on the pedophiliac priests however, while this actually has nothing to Christianity (most simply became priests for the opportunity to be around young boys) the cover up is hard to forgive.

The Crusades where not a cut and dry war on Islam for the sake of war on Islam. Originally the Crusades where a response to provocation, with the rise and spread of Islam in the Middle East the Christians that made pilgrimages there where being harassed and or murdered simply for being Christian. In addition to that the Muslims had conquered Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—as well as all of North Africa and most of Turkey. The Crusades where not the result of some power hungry pope looking to imperialistically expand and driven by religious fanatics, they where the direct result of a desperate cry from Constantinople for help as the Suljuk Turks where marching through Turkey. The crusades where wars of defense. Period. While some of you may think this is just an attempt to paint Christians in a good light that some of you are utterly incapable of seeing, it is historic fact.

http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6981/defense.htm
http://www.probe.org/docs/crusades.html
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/crusades_05.htm

Read them, don't fucking apologies.

Beyond that, the loudest voices in the Abolition of Slavery where Christian preachers. Churches in the North where were perhaps the largest number of people where turning from indifferent to strongly against Slavery.

I have to agree with you on the pedophiliac priests however, while this actually has nothing to Christianity (most simply became priests for the opportunity to be around young boys) the cover up is hard to forgive.

Damn hard to forgive ... even harder to forgive it with the consequences it had on our families
That and the knoledge that thoes of us that were molsested have (last stats they told me) 23 TIMES the liklyhood of doing it to our kids (which is why I have made the decision not to have any)

I'm not responsible for The Crusades, slavery, and I hate child molesters with a borderline psychotic rage. I am responsible however for not always presenting the Christ that the Bible teaches.

I don't feel guilty about the sins past Christians have comitted. However, I do feel that since they were comitted in the name of Christianity, it's high-time Christians started apologizing.

I would like to formally apologize for all the atrocities that have been committed by Christians in the name of God.

I apologize for The Crusades.

I apologize for those who have used the Bible to excuse slavery and the mistreament of non-white people.

I apologize for the pedophiliac priests and subsequent cover-ups.

We have often neglected our duties as Christians and fed our own petty egos and pushed our own petty agendas.

We are regularly of elitism and behaving like spoiled brats. Please forgive us.
Well, while I appreciate the enthusiasm, you are really in no position to speak for all Christians. See if you were the pope, then yea. But the pope already apologized for the Crusades, and using bible for slavery.

Thank you Acadianada, that was very big of you.

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Well, while I appreciate the enthusiasm, you are really in no position to speak for all Christians. See if you were the pope, then yea. But the pope already apologized for the Crusades, and using bible for slavery.

The pope does not speak for all Christians. He sure as hell doesnt speak for my Luthern ass!

The pope does not speak for all Christians. He sure as hell doesnt speak for my Luthern ass!
well he comes the closest to being able to speak for all christians. well ok, the closest would be jesus, but he died 2000 years ago.