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I'm sorry, but if you start your diatribe in this manner, I immediately assume that you are IN FACT a racist or are about to say something racist. Quit being so damn scared that someone will call you a racist if you bring up anything having to do with people of different ethnicities. Stupid people will call you stupid things all through your life, but it doesn't make it so. If you really ARE a racist, well, just freakin' admit it. If you aren't you shouldn't be making qualifying statements with racist exceptions. State your point, let people jump to conclusions, then be prepared to defend your position. As in all debates.

Cripes, it's like saying, "I'm not a homophobe, but..."
But nothing.

I hate that too. Especially when people go 'No offence, but...'

I hate that too. Especially when people go 'No offence, but...'
Yeah, it's like, "Ignore that what I'm about to say is going to do exactly what I'm saying it won't". Please. Be honest.

I'm sorry, but if you start your diatribe in this manner, I immediately assume that you are IN FACT a racist or are about to say something racist. Quit being so damn scared that someone will call you a racist if you bring up anything having to do with people of different ethnicities. Stupid people will call you stupid things all through your life, but it doesn't make it so. If you really ARE a racist, well, just freakin' admit it. If you aren't you shouldn't be making qualifying statements with racist exceptions. State your point, let people jump to conclusions, then be prepared to defend your position. As in all debates.

Cripes, it's like saying, "I'm not a homophobe, but..."
But nothing.

Do I ever say that? I can't remember. I don't think I do considering how rarely I broach the subject of racial inequality... I tend not to notice if someone was of a different race anyway, so I'd probably not ever notice to make a subject with the qualifier "I'm not racist, but". I'd certainly never thought about it the way that you said though.

I don't think there's a point to this post. Never mind.

(oh, as a complete aside, did you actually get that second telegram I sent two days ago? Sometimes instead of sending it just autologs me out of the nation and I forget to resend in my rantings. If you can't be bothered replying, 'tis all fine, I just want to know if it was consumed or sent.)

I'm not racist but I'd like to spank your hot injun ass for beign such a savage :p

I hate that too. Especially when people go 'No offence, but...'
Well, "no offence but..." means that while I disagree I do not mean to demean you and still consider you as a correct person. While "I'm not racist but..." seems to soften the blow of the racist remark that is sure to follow.

I can understand why someone would say "no offence but...". These two cases are usually rather different.

But i'm with you both. ;)

I'd like to spank your hot injun ass for beign such a savage :p
See how much better it sounds when you just take that first part out?

I'm not racist but I'd like to spank your hot injun ass for beign such a savage :p

I don't like humor, but that one made me laugh.

It's my personal opinion that both racists and homophobes ( God, I hate that word! ) are basically insecure types who need someone else to look down on in order to feel better about themselves.

I'm not racist. Black people love me. www.blackpeopleloveus.com Seriously. I'm not a racist. I have black friends. Ya gotta beleive me!

(oh, as a complete aside, did you actually get that second telegram I sent two days ago? Sometimes instead of sending it just autologs me out of the nation and I forget to resend in my rantings. If you can't be bothered replying, 'tis all fine, I just want to know if it was consumed or sent.)
I did get it, I was just too pissy yesterday (and today) to reply. Not your fault:)

I don't like humor, but that one made me laugh.
I don't like humour but...
SHUT UP!

I hate that too. Especially when people go 'No offence, but...'
i know!!! people should be more like me, and just state- "what i am going to say is going to offend you" ,"this may make you cry" ,"this will make you hate me" , or "here, let me really piss you off".
i do it all the time, right Sinahue? ;)

But I AM not a racist butt. :(

I don't like humor, but that one made me laugh.
you dont like humor? nice . real nice.

The people that really bother me are the ones who say "Don't be so racist!" and then follow it up with a racist remark. At least with the excuses, you know what you're about to get.

Story:

My aunt moved to Utah sometime in the late '80's/early '90's. While they were looking for a house, the lady showing them around asked where they both were from. My aunt told the lady that she grew up in GA and this lady started a tirade about "how bad you treat the blacks down there." Then, almost in the same breath, said something about "those Goddamned Indian bastards, ..."

My aunt, never one to be quiet, stood up directly next to her (imposing, I promise) and proudly stated that she was part Seminole Indian. Imagine the look on that lady's face...

Here's how one should really start those comments:

"I'm not racist, I just hate everybody..."

I'm sorry, but if you start your diatribe in this manner, I immediately assume that you are IN FACT a racist or are about to say something racist. Quit being so damn scared that someone will call you a racist if you bring up anything having to do with people of different ethnicities. Stupid people will call you stupid things all through your life, but it doesn't make it so. If you really ARE a racist, well, just freakin' admit it. If you aren't you shouldn't be making qualifying statements with racist exceptions. State your point, let people jump to conclusions, then be prepared to defend your position. As in all debates.

Cripes, it's like saying, "I'm not a homophobe, but..."
But nothing.

I think you are being a little oversimplistic here. It only applies to individual cases. You need to assess their mindset within what they say after that point. It may be just to calm people down because they know if they said it outright they would be labeld a racist. Granted it very rarely works but thats no good reason to stop them saying it. Its just a way of making people not immidately jump to conclusions.

For example, I am not homophobic but I do believe homosexual sex to be a sin. That does not make me homophobic any more than believing that blaphmey is a sin makes me afraid and hateful of people who blaspheme. I hate blaspheming and I hate homosexual sex and homosexuality in general but I do not hate homosexuals and I dont hate blasphemers. Love sinner, hate sin.

Well, "no offence but..." means that while I disagree I do not mean to demean you and still consider you as a correct person. While "I'm not racist but..." seems to soften the blow of the racist remark that is sure to follow.

I can understand why someone would say "no offence but...". These two cases are usually rather different.

But i'm with you both. ;)
Putting, "I'm not a racist but..." before something like, "damn black people get all the preferential treatment!" does NOTHING to 'soften the blow'. It's a cop out.

How about this one? "I don't mean to be rude but...I think you're a flaming retard in puss-stained slacks." I mean, really...is that less of a flame because I put the qualifier at the beginning? I doubt a mod would see it that way. And because they probably WILL see this, let me make sure everyone is clear that I am not actually saying this to anyone here on this forum or in RL.

See how much better it sounds when you just take that first part out?

:D Yah yer right.

I'm not racist but I love racist jokes. sorry :(

It's my personal opinion that both racists and homophobes ( God, I hate that word! ) are basically insecure types who need someone else to look down on in order to feel better about themselves.

I think that just about everybody does that. Racists and homophobes are just ignorant bastards who choose to look down on people who are already handicapped by society.

It's like me joining a wheelchair basketball game and bragging when I win. (which I do)

I'm not a racist, but I really hate marathons. To me, the 100 meter is clearly the superior race.

I'm not racist. Black people love me. www.blackpeopleloveus.com Seriously. I'm not a racist. I have black friends. Ya gotta beleive me!
My favourite site ever! Everytime I go to it I think I should make one for us red hot injuns...

i know!!! people should be more like me, and just state- "what i am going to say is going to offend you" ,"this may make you cry" ,"this will make you hate me" , or "here, let me really piss you off".
i do it all the time, right Sinahue? ;)
dude, you told me that i was having problems with my girlfriend because my penis was too small, when you knew that my magnificent penis was all that kept us together, physically and emotionally. :mad:

i know!!! people should be more like me, and just state- "what i am going to say is going to offend you" ,"this may make you cry" ,"this will make you hate me" , or "here, let me really piss you off".
i do it all the time, right Sinahue? ;)
Yup!

You piss me off all the time, but at least you're honest about it. Shite. That I have respect for. Wussy cop-outs make me puke.

I'm sorry, but if you start your diatribe in this manner, I immediately assume that you are IN FACT a racist or are about to say something racist. Quit being so damn scared that someone will call you a racist if you bring up anything having to do with people of different ethnicities. Stupid people will call you stupid things all through your life, but it doesn't make it so. If you really ARE a racist, well, just freakin' admit it. If you aren't you shouldn't be making qualifying statements with racist exceptions. State your point, let people jump to conclusions, then be prepared to defend your position. As in all debates.

Cripes, it's like saying, "I'm not a homophobe, but..."
But nothing.

Hear hear.

I'm not gay but...my boyfriend is?

I'm not racist but, tea should milky. MILKY I TELL THEE.

That's always a good one too! I'm not racist because I have (insert race here) friends. People are too touchy about what others say, didn't our kindergarden teachers have it right "Sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me." And if you get hurt by what someone says to you along a racist line then you are too soft. :P

Let the Anvils ring

For example, I am not homophobic but I do believe homosexual sex to be a sin. That does not make me homophobic any more than believing that blaphmey is a sin makes me afraid and hateful of people who blaspheme. I hate blaspheming and I hate homosexual sex and homosexuality in general but I do not hate homosexuals and I dont hate blasphemers. Love sinner, hate sin.
Yeah whatever. If you thought that my existence was sinful, and you hated my existence, BUT NOT ME, I'd still think you were a jerk who hated Indians.

homophobes ( God, I hate that word! )

Well, what's a better word? "Homoist"? That's too easily misunderstood as "pro-homo" or "most homo."

I'm not a racist, but I really hate marathons. To me, the 100 meter is clearly the superior race.
BAHHAHHAHAAHHAA!!!!!!

I like you.

My favourite site ever! Everytime I go to it I think I should make one for us red hot injuns...
There should be one for every race, ethnicity and religion. It's really funny to see someone who just doesn't get another culture horribly caricaturing it and thinking he's being friendly.

Putting, "I'm not a racist but..." before something like, "damn black people get all the preferential treatment!" does NOTHING to 'soften the blow'. It's a cop out.

How about this one? "I don't mean to be rude but...I think you're a flaming retard in puss-stained slacks." I mean, really...is that less of a flame because I put the qualifier at the beginning? I doubt a mod would see it that way. And because they probably WILL see this, let me make sure everyone is clear that I am not actually saying this to anyone here on this forum or in RL.
No offence but "no offence" is completely different from the other examples you said.

See, the way I use it, "no offense" can be used to warn the other that you will disagree with them and may make them look bad but it's nothing personnal. "I don't mean to be rude" is a cop out just like the others.

Yeah whatever. If you thought that my existence was sinful, and you hated my existence, BUT NOT ME, I'd still think you were a jerk who hated Indians.

But Indians just aren't natural!!

;-)

BAHHAHHAHAAHHAA!!!!!!

I like you.

Everyone does. :D

That reminds me. Why haven't we seen a picture of your red hot injun ass?

That's always a good one too! I'm not racist because I have (insert race here) friends.
This one always makes me laugh. Like we have any idea how you treat your (insert race, sexuality, whatever) 'friends'. Like having neighbours that are (insert race, sexuality, whatever) automatically strips your prejudices away like some sort of racial/sexual/whatever osmosis. For all I know, your 'black' friends tend your cotton fields, your 'gay' friends put apples on their heads for you to practice your aim with a bow, and you pimp out your 'socialist' friends to the lowest bidder just to prove to them how great capitalism can be.

No offence but "no offence" is completely different from the other examples you said.

See, the way I use it, "no offense" can be used to warn the other that you will disagree with them and may make them look bad but it's nothing personnal. "I don't mean to be rude" is a cop out just like the others.
No offense is just as bad as "I don't mean to be rude". You are about to say something you know will cause offense. Otherwise say, "I have to disagree with you on that one". Don't say you're not going to do something (offend, be racist, be homophobic, be stupid) and then go and do it.

That reminds me. Why haven't we seen a picture of your red hot injun ass?

ditto

I know that I've only ever met two black people in my life, and I generally don't make generalisations (?).

lly Posted by Nidnodistan
I hate that too. Especially when people go 'No offence, but...'


Well, "no offence but..." means that while I disagree I do not mean to demean you and still consider you as a correct person. While "I'm not racist but..." seems to soften the blow of the racist remark that is sure to follow.

I can understand why someone would say "no offence but...". These two cases are usually rather different.

Yeah. It's like, you can say No offence, but- *refutes whatever point they just made*

I'm not racist but I love racist jokes. sorry
Lol, I mean, you can say "Not exactly PC... *wait for a response, recieve none, go on to tell the joke about the dyslexic farmer that went around shooting peasants*


^Instead of pheasants

But Indians just aren't natural!!

;-)
That's right, baby. 100% pure silicon injun here!

By the way, my use of the word, 'injun' is meant to caricaturise the negative term and it's (still to the present day) use by people who actually think we're a bunch of savages running around scalping people and opening casinos:). Call me an injun in anything but fun, and I'll scalp your hairy ass.

Everyone does. :D

That reminds me. Why haven't we seen a picture of your red hot injun ass?
Of my ass? You post yours first! If by ass, you actually mean me in my entirety, well, you're just going to have to keep me in your imagination, because I have a bizillion pics of my kids and hubby, but none of me since about 1984 (someone else might have pics of me, but I don't), and I'm too damn lazy to find a dig cam, take a pic, upload it and display it for a bunch of imaginary friends:).

Plus, then you'd find out I'm a black man in my 40s, stuck in a wheelchair in Fulsom.

Of my ass? You post yours first! If by ass, you actually mean me in my entirety, well, you're just going to have to keep me in your imagination, because I have a bizillion pics of my kids and hubby, but none of me since about 1984 (someone else might have pics of me, but I don't), and I'm too damn lazy to find a dig cam, take a pic, upload it and display it for a bunch of imaginary friends:).

Plus, then you'd find out I'm a black man in my 40s, stuck in a wheelchair in Fulsom.

:(

I thought you were an 80 year old black man, from Dubai.

how did you know I had a hairy ass?

I thought the term indian was pretty misguided too but I had to say injun because the more absurd the better when making racist comments about you savages

oh an on racist jokes - I can like them and not be racist. humourous geeneralizations are awesome - the ones about us crackers are the best of all.

:(

I thought you were an 80 year old black man, from Dubai.

even better

Well, what's a better word? "Homoist"? That's too easily misunderstood as "pro-homo" or "most homo."

I like "ignorant pea-brained sexually-repressed peckerwood," but it is a bit wordy and may be considered rude -- even if proceeded by "no offense, but."

"Puritan Misery Squad" is good.

how did you know I had a hairy ass?

I thought the term indian was pretty misguided too but I had to say injun because the more absurd the better when making racist comments about you savages

oh an on racist jokes - I can like them and not be racist. humourous geeneralizations are awesome - the ones about us crackers are the best of all.
It's weird...I know you're white, and I know your name is Tagalog for Moon something-or-other, but for some reason, I picture you as a black man because the name vaguely sounds like an African name for some reason.

Talk about jumping to conclusions!

Yeah, I guess I like some racist jokes too...the ones that make fun of racist stereotypes anyway...but on pissy days I don't, and it really depends on the intent of the person telling the joke. A lot of people have told me racist jokes about Indians just to be assholes and to see if I'd get angry. They had lovely flowers at their funerals.

But I AM not a racist butt. :(

HA HA VERY FUNNY i'm quivering in my hightops

Hey, I know this is dumb of me, but...

How do you insert a picture into your post? I tried to upload a jpg but it wouldn't let me...

Hey, I know this is dumb of me, but...

How do you insert a picture into your post? I tried to upload a jpg but it wouldn't let me...



Put the link inside those. You have to host the pictures online. I like www.photobucket.com

That's right, baby. 100% pure silicon injun here!

By the way, my use of the word, 'injun' is meant to caricaturise the negative term and it's (still to the present day) use by people who actually think we're a bunch of savages running around scalping people and opening casinos:). Call me an injun in anything but fun, and I'll scalp your hairy ass.


I wouldnt think that-literally scalping people would be bad for the casino business where people are getting figuratively scalped.

Is it true that indians didnt start the scalping, that was actually a european idea that became a widespread practice among indians?

Okay, here I am:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/268/960/1024/acree.jpg

Just kidding:).

I just don't have a pic of me here. I do have some of my kids, but I still can't figure out how to put them here if they're off my desktop, not off a website???

I wouldnt think that-literally scalping people would be bad for the casino business where people are getting figuratively scalped.

Is it true that indians didnt start the scalping, that was actually a european idea that became a widespread practice among indians?

I believe that there is evidence that Native Americans were scalping before Europeans arrived, but I do think that Europeans were paying for scalps. I am not positive though.

I think you are being a little oversimplistic here. It only applies to individual cases. You need to assess their mindset within what they say after that point. It may be just to calm people down because they know if they said it outright they would be labeld a racist. Granted it very rarely works but thats no good reason to stop them saying it. Its just a way of making people not immidately jump to conclusions.

For example, I am not homophobic but I do believe homosexual sex to be a sin. That does not make me homophobic any more than believing that blaphmey is a sin makes me afraid and hateful of people who blaspheme. I hate blaspheming and I hate homosexual sex and homosexuality in general but I do not hate homosexuals and I dont hate blasphemers. Love sinner, hate sin.
as long as you can admit that the thought of hot steamy man-on-man sex gets you going now and then, youre not homophobic.

Just kidding:).

I just don't have a pic of me here. I do have some of my kids, but I still can't figure out how to put them here if they're off my desktop, not off a website???

Yeah, you have to upload them to the internet somehow. I like www.photobucket.com. They'll host a fair amount of photos for free.

as long as you can admit that the thought of hot steamy man-on-man sex gets you going now and then, youre not homophobic.

It doesnt

It's weird...I know you're white, and I know your name is Tagalog for Moon something-or-other, but for some reason, I picture you as a black man because the name vaguely sounds like an African name for some reason.

Talk about jumping to conclusions!

Yeah, I guess I like some racist jokes too...the ones that make fun of racist stereotypes anyway...but on pissy days I don't, and it really depends on the intent of the person telling the joke. A lot of people have told me racist jokes about Indians just to be assholes and to see if I'd get angry. They had lovely flowers at their funerals.

lol - yeah it is somewhat african sounding - I'm a man of the world. I don't feel liek I belong to any "race"

there are racist jokes I don't like of course

I believe that there is evidence that Native Americans were scalping before Europeans arrived, but I do think that Europeans were paying for scalps. I am not positive though.
Well, how could you prove how many people you'd killed otherwise?

We'd scalped before. We were used to taking trophies, but few of us liked stringing dried noses or ears around our necks:).

Okay, here I am:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/268/960/1024/acree.jpg
hmmmm i was gonna say that she looks very cree to me, but then i see that the name of the photo is " a cree"

Well, how could you prove how many people you'd killed otherwise?

We'd scalped before. We were used to taking trophies, but few of us liked stringing dried noses or ears around our necks:).

At least its better than taking scrotums like Peechland.

Well, how could you prove how many people you'd killed otherwise?

We'd scalped before. We were used to taking trophies, but few of us liked stringing dried noses or ears around our necks:).

*shivers*

it's kinda Texas Chainsaw Massacre-ish

hmmmm i was gonna say that she looks very cree to me, but then i see that the name of the photo is " a cree"
Hehehehhehee. I'm not nearly that Indian looking:) In fact, people often say to me, "I'm not a racist, but you could pass as white if you dyed your hair blonde and wore coloured contacts!"

:rolleyes:

It doesnt
then you are probably homophobic

really its the most nasty, sinful, dirty thoughts that get us the most horny.

Here are my daughters:

Arlis
http://photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/?action=view&current=fa543e74.jpg

Emily
http://photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/?action=view&current=15aab467.jpg

Hehehehhehee. I'm not nearly that Indian looking:) In fact, people often say to me, "I'm not a racist, but you could pass as white if you dyed your hair blonde and wore coloured contacts!"

:rolleyes:

What is "Indian looking"?

What is "Indian looking"?
Swarthy, black eyes and straight black hair, high cheekbones, scalps hanging from belt, wearing a blanket.

Hehehehhehee. I'm not nearly that Indian looking:) In fact, people often say to me, "I'm not a racist, but you could pass as white if you dyed your hair blonde and wore coloured contacts!"

:rolleyes:
hahahah ohmygod and you know they mean it as a COMPLIMENT!

Swarthy, black eyes and straight black hair, high cheekbones, scalps hanging from belt, wearing a blanket.

You have to wear a lot of feathers, also.

Swarthy, black eyes and straight black hair, high cheekbones, scalps hanging from belt, wearing a blanket.

Well, unless you look like this:

http://www.lbm.net/Clipart_Gallery/images/Native_American_10.jpg

I probably couldn't tell the difference.

hahahah ohmygod and you know they mean it as a COMPLIMENT!
That's the worst part.

I have freckles. Lots of them. My dad's bloody bog Irish blood. My hair has waves, it's not Indian straight. I'm paler than my brothers, who are all very dark. When I was younger I hated that I never looked quite 'Indian' or 'white' enough. Now I'm happy with me. 'Passing' as one or the other...unless it's going to make me rich, why bother?

Well, unless you look like this:

http://www.lbm.net/Clipart_Gallery/images/Native_American_10.jpg

I probably couldn't tell the difference.
The clicky don't worky.

You're right though...unless you're used to us half-bloods, you might not be able to tell I was Cree instead of half-something-else. The ones who really notice my colour are generally the ones who don't care for darker shades than 'pink'.

this is kinda off topic now but i dont know how to send private messages

- the Europeans would often trade the natives guns for scalps - having deals like this with multiple tribs - the more they kill - the better armed they become - able to kill more - getting them to kill off each other

You have to wear a lot of feathers, also.
Yes. And beaded mocs, and live in a teepee with a totem pole outside, and store your meat in the igloo:), all the while going to parties at the long house!

Here are my daughters:

Arlis
http://photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/?action=view&current=fa543e74.jpg

Emily
http://photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/?action=view&current=15aab467.jpg
im not looksist but what beautiful children!

Here are my daughters:

Arlis
http://photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/?action=view&current=fa543e74.jpg

Emily
http://photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/?action=view&current=15aab467.jpg

adorable! for being part injun! :p okay you can spank me now.

this is kinda off topic now but i dont know how to send private messages

- the Europeans would often trade the natives guns for scalps - having deals like this with multiple tribs - the more they kill - the better armed they become - able to kill more - getting them to kill off each other
Which spawned the lucrative wig-making business...my ancestors used to weave moose hair into reed webs and sprinkle them with beaver blood in order to replicate scalps, and collect more weapons.

"I have black friends"

Worst. Argument. Ever. In any racism debate

Well, unless you look like this:

http://www.lbm.net/Clipart_Gallery/images/Native_American_10.jpg

I probably couldn't tell the difference.
when my sister first moved here to new mexico from maryland she thought that all the indians she saw were asians. i had to constantly say things like "no cissy, i think thats a navajo"

im not looksist but what beautiful children!
Yeah, my mom likes to say, "You're an idiot, and you never do anything right, but you sure make cute kids!"

Ah my mom...so PC!

when my sister first moved here to new mexico from maryland she thought that all the indians she saw were asians. i had to constantly say things like "no cissy, i think thats a navajo"

It may be my own personal skew, but I often think Native Americans are Italian. :)

Yeah, my mom likes to say, "You're an idiot, and you never do anything right, but you sure make cute kids!"

Ah my mom...so PC!
and so supportive!

It may be my own personal skew, but I often think Native Americans are Italian. :)
(im not racist but) you must go to that foxwoods indian casino in connecticut

(double whammy if you think about it.)

and so supportive!
You have to understand my family culture:) Cree people like to joke a lot. We joke all the time, and we insult eachother all the time, but it's not in a mean way. I find Latin culture to be the same...you can call someone gorda (fat woman) in Spanish, and have it be an endearment, not an insult. My mother called me taswekanikwacas (little flying squirrel) because I was always leaping around and into things just trusting that I'd catch onto someone and not fall on my face. We all called her okihkwahahkew (wolverine) because she took a while to anger, but when she did, look out! She was relentless! (I suppose in English, those names don't seem all that mean, but if you call someone that in Cree, and mean it in a bad way, it's pretty insulting. The intent is the thing that matters I guess).

"I have black friends"

Worst. Argument. Ever. In any racism debate
Well I have an African girl that works on my nerves.

Yeah whatever. If you thought that my existence was sinful, and you hated my existence, BUT NOT ME, I'd still think you were a jerk who hated Indians.

As a Native American (Micmac) I see you simplifying things too much.

ONe can be straight and do an act that is homosexual.
One can't be Cauacasian do an act that makes them Indian.

So to hate the Homosexual act is not saying the person is bad because the person could repent or stop doing it.

There is no way to become an Indian (you pretty much are or aren't one) so it isn't a good analogy in your words.

As a Native American (Micmac) I see you simplifying things too much.

ONe can be straight and do an act that is homosexual.
One can't be Cauacasian do an act that makes them Indian.

So to hate the Homosexual act is not saying the person is bad because the person could repent or stop doing it.

There is no way to become an Indian (you pretty much are or aren't one) so it isn't a good analogy in your words.
I could care less if it's a good analogy to you. I don't consider homosexuality to be a choice. If it isn't a choice, then how could it be unnatural, or the sexual acts engaged in sinful?

Natives were once considered sinful for being 'pagan'. We were considered sinful for speaking our language, practicing our culture. The only way we could be 'saved' was to become as 'white' in action as possible. To become non-Indians. You are born a Native, yes, but being a Native is more than your genes. If you have no sense of your culture, no sense of your community, you are as non-Native as a white person.

My point was basically this. That whole, hate the sin, love the sinner, in practice doesn't amount to much when certain people consider one thing to be a sin (homosexuality or practicing native culture) while others don't.

ONe can be straight and do an act that is homosexual.

But one cannot be straight and be homosexual.

One can't be Cauacasian do an act that makes them Indian.

On the contrary, there have been Caucasians that were inducted into native tribes.

So to hate the Homosexual act is not saying the person is bad because the person could repent or stop doing it.

...just as a Native American could not participate in traditional rituals.

There is no way to become an Indian (you pretty much are or aren't one) so it isn't a good analogy in your words.

There is no way to *become* a homosexual, as performing a homosexual act doesn't make you homosexual anymore than recreating a native ritual makes you an Indian.

"I'm not X, but..." is a sentence structure that negates anything that follows it. If you're motivated to use it, it's probably just out of laziness - easier than really examining what you want to convey and then saying it in a thoughtful, honest way that respects the recipient. It's a mask. I had this little moment of clarity when I heard a parent say to her problem child (who was in my care because of such problems) "I love you, but..." I thought to myself, Why negate that with 'but?' Surely telling your child you love them is something you'd want to convey with all your heart.

Sometimes it's not what we say, but the WAY we say them, that makes the difference in out communication. She could have just said "I love you." and then started the critique of the child's behaviour, following up with "I still love you." We haven't all got phDs in semantics, but this isn't rocket surgery, people. It's just a question of effort - of taking the time to think before you speak, and losing the self-consciousness about how unstructured and unclassy your sentences sound when you cut them into bytes of meaning.

That said, "I love you, but" by Friendly is a top little song.

Say NO to racism.








Hate All races equally.

No offense is just as bad as "I don't mean to be rude". You are about to say something you know will cause offense. Otherwise say, "I have to disagree with you on that one". Don't say you're not going to do something (offend, be racist, be homophobic, be stupid) and then go and do it.
it's possible to use "no offense" in an appropriate way. for instance, i have used it in the following context:

"no offense, but i think you are a little too personally involved in [insert issue or situation]. perhaps you should get an outside opinion from somebody you trust and respect."

or:

"no offense, but i think that last comment was a bit out of line. you probably didn't mean it as harshly as it came out, so you might want to clarify before people react more strongly than you intended."


though i totally agree that MOST people tend to use it in exactly the way you describe, as a sort of cover-your-ass catchall phrase. it's like the way some people use "i'm sorry," as though just saying it will excuse any rotten behavior they like, no matter how often they repeat the same mistake.

i really hate how people do this, because it makes the phrases worthless. it is a lot like how people have cheapened "i love you" to mean everything from "gee, you're swell" to "i want to have sex with you right now."

"I'm not X, but..." is a sentence structure that negates anything that follows it. If you're motivated to use it, it's probably just out of laziness - easier than really examining what you want to convey and then saying it in a thoughtful, honest way that respects the recipient. It's a mask. I had this little moment of clarity when I heard a parent say to her problem child (who was in my care because of such problems) "I love you, but..." I thought to myself, Why negate that with 'but?' Surely telling your child you love them is something you'd want to convey with all your heart.
i disagree.

for one thing, i've often said things like, "i'm not Catholic, but this issue of Catholic priests abusing children seems to be something Catholics should worry about." or, "i'm not straight, but i would think that straight people would be just as interested in dealing with STD transmition issues as the GLBT community." or, "i'm not Muslim, but my Muslim coworker has informed me that X is true about her faith." sometimes "i'm not X, but..." can be purely descriptive, an open admission that you are not able to offer an "inside" perspective. granted, it is most often not used this way, but that's not to say it CANNOT be used this way.

also, as far as the "I love you, but...", my parents used that phrase with me and i felt it was a very productive and helpful way to communicate. even during some of our worst fights they would tell me, "we love you, but we are still angry with you." or sometimes, "we are very angry with you, but we still love you." both of these would remind me that it is possible to love somebody without approving of everything they do, and it is possible to love somebody without trying to live in a perfect happy world of rainbows and butterflies.

i've told a friend, "i love you, but i can't spend time with you until you stop using coke." it was important for me to communicate that it wasn't my friend i was unhappy with, just that one specific choice they were making, and that i still loved them even though i couldn't spend time with a heavy user.

absolute statements are almost never accurate. this blanket dismissal of "i am not X, but..." or "i love you, but..." overlooks many legitimate forms those phrases can take. i'm not saying they always do (in fact, i think they most often don't), but i also don't want to see them written off completely in knee-jerk reactions because that could lead people to leap to false conclusions.