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There is a serious problem at my school. Before I explain what it is, i would like to say that I am not racist, however discipline at my school seems to be based on race. I won't say which race, but if one of them did something and I did the same thing, they would get off scot-free and I would likely get detention. Another example: one of them walks out of geography class without permission, and walks back in, and isn't punished at all. I did that and was nearly suspended. Is this right? If they are beyond discipline, I have the right to be beyond discipline too. I am not racist. I am just getting this off my chest.

Try and think of this from another perspective.

Let's say that what you say is true - that people from one race are allowed to fuck off, and everyone else has to obey the rules.

What do you suppose will happen when the people who are used to fucking off get out into the real world?

Perhaps they aren't doing them any favor at all.

But you should always remember - never ascribe to malice anything that can be explained by stupidity.

we can not have one rule for one groupe of people and one rule for another

If that's true then the schools in your area are failing in their responsibility to teach all student's equally. Someone should sue.

It is certainly unfair and doe's nothing towards bringing about racial equality.
It would be intersting to know what countriy you from?

Chances are the school knows it's students and assume that the other person went out of the class for legitimate reasons and the teacher knew it. I would venture that you are a child that cause trouble, so when you go out of class for no good reasons, they assume you're up to no good.

As long as I don't know more on this, I will consider it the whinning of a malcontent trying to justify his own faults on the school because they are "racist".

I've seen enough cases like that to assume you are not discriminated against.

You're always going to run into racial inequality. That's the ugly thing about life.

My advice....fart in their faces.

You're always going to run into racial inequality. That's the ugly thing about life.

My advice....fart in their faces.

lol...now thats a decent advise :p
As for my advice...i cant give you any coz you werent quite clear in explaining your situation...perhaps you should try again... :D
Or maybe i should read again :)

lol...now thats a decent advise :p
As for my advice...i cant give you any coz you werent quite clear in explaining your situation...perhaps you should try again... :D
Or maybe i should read again :)

You would be surprised at how many altercations I have been able to solve with that tactic lol.

There is a serious problem at my school. Before I explain what it is, i would like to say that I am not racist...
Sorry...this is where you lost me.

we can not have one rule for one groupe of people and one rule for another
Maybe you should try Gym in schools.
Girls have more time to do the mile run. (are they slow?)
Girls have to do less Push ups and Chin ups... are they weak?
Girls have to to do less Curl ups...they weak again?

I mean why is itokay to discrimianate and have different standard for boys and girls but not for races?

So if we can have different rules for genders; whether or not they are fair than you may have different rules for races.

I've spent the last couple years as a substitute teacher (I think its called a supply teacher in some countries). The problem with that is, I'm new to a classroom almost every day, and I don't personally know any of the students or how much trust they've earned. I have to try to be fair but stern, and subs are subjected to the low end of student behaviour because they know we won't be there tomorrow for follow up. So, been to dozens of schools and seen some pretty bad behaviour. So please keep all of this in light when I ask this question:

Is it possible you're angry about other things, or that this is less prevalent than you initially thought? If you truly believe this is a problem, I'd suggest the following:

Can you inquire about what you observe in a less accusative way? Try this. For a week, observe and document what you see in a little notebook. Write down times and events, and try to establish a pattern of who leaves without permission, and who gets disciplined. Then, in a polite and well-written letter, present your evidence to the teachers and administration, with your parents permission. Be scientific about it, and open up with something like "over the week, I've observed such and such, and I'd like to better understand what I believe are inconsistent rules".

Seriously, try it, and do it in written form. Schools are bureaucracies, and putting something on paper gives it a reality it otherwise lacks. Have your parents ask that they put your letter in your student file, then they will take it seriously. If they ignore you, document what you see for a month, and take your data to the school board next. Remember, victory does not go to he who strikes first, or he who strikes hardest. It belongs to he who strikes accurately.

Maybe you should try Gym in schools.
Girls have more time to do the mile run. (are they slow?)
Girls have to do less Push ups and Chin ups... are they weak?
Girls have to to do less Curl ups...they weak again?

I mean why is itokay to discrimianate and have different standard for boys and girls but not for races?

So if we can have different rules for genders; whether or not they are fair than you may have different rules for races.
Gym is a bad example for this, because there are actual physical differences between girls and boys, look at the difference between Paula Radcliffe, who is the world's fastest marathon runner and that of several men marathon runners, even though she has the world record for woman, they can still all run faster than her
This isnt aslag against woman, it just a fact, men have been built to fight. They are in generall larger, stronger , more aggressive but have a shorterlife expectancy, it takes it toll. Woman are calmer, weaker and have a longerlife expectancy, its why in offical competion, you need different catogries

Is it really a certain race is being punished excessively? Then you should maybe file a complaint or sue. Seriously.

If not, it just could be a certain teacher, or probably just the teacher spots you out as a troublemaker.

But you should always remember - never ascribe to malice anything that can be explained by stupidity.

This is fantastic advice, it's going straight to my sig.

It would be hard to actually answer this. While it sounds bad, as a teacher, I can also say that the students who seem to be getting away with murder might have a previous arangement with the teacher that is private (Special education reasons for example). Is this limited to just one or two particular students or really applied to all students of the same racial background?

I would recommend getting over it. There are far more important things in school to worry about than whether or not other people are getting in trouble.

Have you ever babysat? Think of it that way. Your teacher has to teach you something and return you to your home in one piece at the end of the day. When I watch kids, I pick my battles. Perhaps your teacher is doing the same. The difference between you and these kids are obviously apparent to your teacher. One, being you are capable of more than they are. Two, you know you're crossing a line. when I went to high school and the kinds of kids you described did something, my English teacher would usually let them go ahaed. Why? Because they won't listen, it's disruptive, and they could decide to do something even worse.

Schools, corrupt? Well, I never...

If you have a school paper type a letter(do no write it!), post it(if you don't live any where near you school and the post mark can be traced to you mail it somewhere else!) don't email it either, tell them whats happening, write to your local paper as well.

Your not being racist at all, But special treatment towards some people because of their skin has always happened. Its shit but it happens.

There is a serious problem at my school. Before I explain what it is, i would like to say that I am not racist, however discipline at my school seems to be based on race. I won't say which race, but if one of them did something and I did the same thing, they would get off scot-free and I would likely get detention. Another example: one of them walks out of geography class without permission, and walks back in, and isn't punished at all. I did that and was nearly suspended. Is this right? If they are beyond discipline, I have the right to be beyond discipline too. I am not racist. I am just getting this off my chest.

Welcome to real life. :(

Seems you want the right to behave like a fool (edited expletive) because they do.
Take the advice previously given. Knuckle down, do well in school and in 5 or whatever years time you can feel smug and superior because you've behaved in a superior way, have a good job, a good degree and a good future while they've fucked their lives up.
I'm 43 and I see people all the time that I was at scholl with who did just what you say. They weren't from a racial group but rather a social one. Most are divorced and unemployed. I have a happy marriage, 3 kids, a good job a good degree. It seems like a long time to get even but if you're 18 now you've still got 60 odd years of life to feel smug in.
Take the high road.. it feels good!

If you have a school paper type a letter(do no write it!), .

I'm sorry, I should've been more clear on what I mean by "written form". I've spent most of my career in accounting before I became teacher, recently as the staff accountant for a law firm. In that context, the term "written form" and to "put something in writing" always does mean typed (almost always with a wordprocessor and printer). With the exception of signatures and revision notes, I'm not aware of anyone who does anything in handwritten form anymore. But being in school, you may not have a printer at hand all the time, I should've realized that.

Anyway, Mekonia is correct, anything you submit about this should be typed.

There is a serious problem at my school. Before I explain what it is, i would like to say that I am not racist, however discipline at my school seems to be based on race. I won't say which race, but if one of them did something and I did the same thing, they would get off scot-free and I would likely get detention. Another example: one of them walks out of geography class without permission, and walks back in, and isn't punished at all. I did that and was nearly suspended. Is this right? If they are beyond discipline, I have the right to be beyond discipline too. I am not racist. I am just getting this off my chest.

Your teachers are racist.

Seems you want the right to behave like a fool (edited expletive) because they do.
Take the advice previously given. Knuckle down, do well in school and in 5 or whatever years time you can feel smug and superior because you've behaved in a superior way, have a good job, a good degree and a good future while they've fucked their lives up.
I'm 43 and I see people all the time that I was at scholl with who did just what you say. They weren't from a racial group but rather a social one. Most are divorced and unemployed. I have a happy marriage, 3 kids, a good job a good degree. It seems like a long time to get even but if you're 18 now you've still got 60 odd years of life to feel smug in.
Take the high road.. it feels good!

At the end of the day its all about getting one up on your old school chums...eh!!

I'm sorry, I should've been more clear on what I mean by "written form". I've spent most of my career in accounting before I became teacher, recently as the staff accountant for a law firm. In that context, the term "written form" and to "put something in writing" always does mean typed (almost always with a wordprocessor and printer). With the exception of signatures and revision notes, I'm not aware of anyone who does anything in handwritten form anymore. But being in school, you may not have a printer at hand all the time, I should've realized that.

Anyway, Mekonia is correct, anything you submit about this should be typed.

Let us lament the passing of the art of writing.

Let us lament the passing of the art of writing.

If you mean calligraphy, illuminative script, or sweet little love notes to spouse or s.o., then I agree. For anything that needs to be efficiently rendered and easily read, word processing just fits the bill better.

Also, its not passed everywhere. I was in Japan for six months last year, and there is a widespread hobby of handbrushing characters. Its quite beautiful and serene to watch. There is even a ritual for mixing the ink. I've got some friends Stateside who are into the SCA stuff, and they practice handwritten poetry on vellum.

Norgopia:
Since when aren't public schools corrupt? Just observe the indoctrination of political correctness dogma. If it's a private school, you can't call it corruption because it can essentially do whatever the fuck it wants with you. Either way, try filing a typed complaint, and follow the advice Saint Curie gave you.

Just be corrupt in return.

That's not corruption. Corruption is when the only way to get a job as a teacher regardless of qualification is to know (and supply 'kickbacks') to at least one school board member. This being a non-paying, elected position that never the less is swamped with hopefuls every election season. Corrupt is when the school guidance counselor has both Assault & Battery and Harassing a Minor charge filed against her and is not so much as investigated let alone fired. Corruption is when the principle has been booked for hiring prostitutes on more then one occasion and still has his job.

That at least, is what I would consider corruption.

Maybe you should try Gym in schools.
Girls have more time to do the mile run. (are they slow?)
Girls have to do less Push ups and Chin ups... are they weak?
Girls have to to do less Curl ups...they weak again?

I mean why is itokay to discrimianate and have different standard for boys and girls but not for races?

So if we can have different rules for genders; whether or not they are fair than you may have different rules for races.
Yes, girls, generally speaking are not as fast or as strong as boys. What gets to me is softball. There is absolutely no reason that girls should play softball instead of baseball. They're competing against each other so any muscular advantage that boys have does not matter whatsoever. (Heck strength doesn't matter that much anyway, otherwise David Eckstien never have a chance in the majors.) The problem with softball, in itself, is that larger balls are too easy to hit. This, as well as the required underhanded pitching motion, puts pitchers at a disadvantage, since it is more difficult to throw a curveball with a larger ball or underhanded. This just shows us how good Jenny Finch is. The beautiful thing about baseball is the difficulty of hitting. As Ted Williams said, it is the only career in which a success rate of 30% makes you one of the best in your field.

I found your idea at the end interesting. After all, African Americans are typically faster than whites.

I am not racist, I am not racist, I am not racist, I am not racist, I am not racist, I am not racist, I am not racist.

Believe me yet?

There is a serious problem at my school. Before I explain what it is, i would like to say that I am not racist, however discipline at my school seems to be based on race.
I don't know about you others, but personally as soon as I see/hear someone uttering that phrase "I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic (etc etc) BUT..." I immediately think "Yes you are. Why else do you feel the need to tell me you're not?"
But I digress.

I won't say which race, but if one of them did something and I did the same thing, they would get off scot-free and I would likely get detention. Another example: one of them walks out of geography class without permission, and walks back in, and isn't punished at all. I did that and was nearly suspended. Is this right? If they are beyond discipline, I have the right to be beyond discipline too. I am not racist. I am just getting this off my chest.
You use the phrase 'Another example' in your second sentence here. Yet you don't actually give an example in the first sentence! You just mumble a vague, unsubstantiated account of 'If I did something they did, I would get into trouble, but not them'.
It isn't an example.

As for your one example, I would like to point out that ONE example from ONE teacher doesn't prove your whole school is corrupt. At worst it shows that that ONE teacher is lax in enforcing school discipline rules.
As for being racist, one example proves nothing. Before you go spouting off, think about the incident:
1. Has it occurred several times?
2. Is the teacher the same race as these other alleged offenders?
3. Has s/he enforced the no-leaving rule on others (of different races), or just you?
4. Has this incident (or similar) happened in other classes?
5. Do these other students get other preferential treatment?

Now if you can answer yes to all the above, then your school certainly does have a problem.
But my gut instinct is that if you were to analyse and consider it dispassionately you won't be able to.

When you see something like this happen, apply Occam's Razor.
Which is more likely:
1. Your whole school is racist and corrupt and has taken it upon itself to harrangue and discriminate against you while at the same time being lax and forgiving with other students and giving them preferential treatment;

or

2. Your previous behaviour probably in no small way contributed to you nearly being suspended when you walked out of class, and there may have been a perfectly valid reason why the student had to leave the class. I can think of several:
Going to the toilet
Needing to phone home urgently
Going on a task for the teacher
Going to see the school Nurse
Having to see the Dean/Guidance Counsellor/Prinicipal etc for a pre-arranged meeting - A student is hardly going to tell everyone they are off to see the Guidance Counsellor, and a teacher would respect their privacy by not telling the class. I've been in that situation with a class before - and been accused of favouritism for allowing the student to walk out. I did not (could not) tell the class where the student was going and why (and you really don't want to know why they had to go see the GC. It was pretty horrible). All I could do was put up with a couple of whiny little shits down the back going on and on about how I had them on detention for a week for walking out of my class and now was letting this girl do exactly the same thing. And yes, I was accused of being racist over this.


You don't say in your post how the student left the class. Did s/he swear at the teacher and storm out? Why did they walk back in? That, to me, means the teacher was happy with them leaving. If a student walked out on me for no reason, I would not let them back into class - and practically any other teacher you ask would do likewise. Letting them back in is sending the completely wrong message to the rest of the class, and is just asking for trouble.
In other words, they left and came back because the teacher allowed it. And if they allowed it, there was a perfectly good, rational explanation for it.



Personally, I think all that's happened is that you got into a lot of shit for walking out (which begs the question, why DID you walk out, and are you normally disruptive like this in class?) and now (understandably to a certain degree) feel very agrieved. So upon watching someone else walk out, you feed your persecution complex and convince yourself that the school is racist and out to get you.
Take a deep breath, have a look at your own behaviour and think about what you can do to make your time at school a more pleasant experience.

Once while I visited my school after I had graduated (take note that I wasnt supposed to be there and no one knew me) when I was leaving me and my friend just walked right out of the front doors with out even a glance in or diection by security...

a high school in Columbus, Ohio recently had an incident where a 16 year old disabled girl was beaten and forced to perform oral sex on 2 boys on the auditorium stage, while other students watched and videotaped it.

The school administors told the father not to call the police because, well.... the media might find out.


Be thankful you go to the school you do.

a high school in Columbus, Ohio recently had an incident where a 16 year old disabled girl was beaten and forced to perform oral sex on 2 boys on the auditorium stage, while other students watched and videotaped it.

The school administors told the father not to call the police because, well.... the media might find out.


Be thankful you go to the school you do.

Oy. Well, that certainly puts an "almost" suspension into perspective. I hope the Dad did call the police, though.

He did, and the principal was fired and 3 assistant principals were suspended.

However, I think that charges of obstruction of justice and endangering the welfare of a minor, perhaps accomplice after the fact should be levied against the people who tried to convince the dad not to call the police.