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The new school prayer!

B0zzy
20-04-2005, 02:01
Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen

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CSW
20-04-2005, 02:02
Old.


Care to post another strawman? Making people pray won't suddenly make them all nice people.
CthulhuFhtagn
20-04-2005, 02:04
Ah, brings back remories of the last 50-odd times I've seen this piece of bullshit refuted.
Super-power
20-04-2005, 02:04
It was a good poem, I must say....
CthulhuFhtagn
20-04-2005, 02:09
It was a good poem, I must say....
Other than the total lack of rhythm, the asinine lines, and the disjointed verses.
The Cat-Tribe
20-04-2005, 02:11
*snip*

Amen

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Yawn.

Poorly written, too long doggerel.

Oh. And utter bullshit from start to finish.

I'll give it 1/2 star.
B0zzy
20-04-2005, 02:14
Ah, brings back remories of the last 50-odd times I've seen this piece of bullshit refuted.
What, specifically, about it should be refuted?
Niccolo Medici
20-04-2005, 02:15
How many times have you posted this before? It was kinda-sorta amusing the first thousand times I saw it, but dang, is it old now.

Put that one back in storage and cut-and-paste some new claptrap will ya? Variety is the spice of life.
Crystalin
20-04-2005, 02:16
Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen

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Kind of funny actually.
Because none of it is true.
The law states that we don't have to say anything about the lord and that it shouldn't be a routine.
It's true.
people should pray on their own.
The school is there to teach facts, not religion.
Sdaeriji
20-04-2005, 02:16
Lame.
The Cat-Tribe
20-04-2005, 02:16
What, specifically, about it should be refuted?

The assertions of almost every line.

Which you probably know.
CthulhuFhtagn
20-04-2005, 02:17
What, specifically, about it should be refuted?
You can pray in school. The school just can't organize it.
Gauthier
20-04-2005, 02:17
Yet another Bushevik Monkey Dance crying wolf about the freedom of religion. Psha.

:rolleyes:
Piracy and Nuns
20-04-2005, 02:21
i'm taking a new testament class at a public college. who says God isn't in schools?
B0zzy
20-04-2005, 02:43
The assertions of almost every line.

Which you probably know.
Pick one, or let me:
'If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights'

Why don't you ask your teacher tomorrow to discuss the merits and faults of the Ten Commandments? If he won't bite, ask him instead to discuss the five pillars of faith in the Muslim religion - I bet he won't choke on that one.
Red Sox Fanatics
20-04-2005, 02:44
Here's a thought: Pray BEFORE going to school! But I guess the recruitment factor won't be as big, which is the real reason you want prayer in schools.
CthulhuFhtagn
20-04-2005, 02:47
Why don't you ask your teacher tomorrow to discuss the merits and faults of the Ten Commandments? If he won't bite, ask him instead to discuss the five pillars of faith in the Muslim religion.
They can't, because they have to teach. If it doesn't have anything to do with the class, they don't do it.
New Genoa
20-04-2005, 02:53
You can pray in school. The school just can't organize it.

Last I remember, a school wasn't congress and organizing a prayer event isn't passing a law regarding the establishment of religion, ESPECIALLY if no one is forced to go. But seriously, who the hell would go?

"Prayer Meeting after school!" - seems so popular to me
Czardas
20-04-2005, 02:54
I have to admit that it's a funny poem, even though I disagree with its viewpoint.

Prayer is fine in school, as long as the federal government does not organize or promote such prayer (see also Engel v. Vitale). I don't care if you pray in school. And teachers are free to teach religion in courses where it is applicable. For example, in my history course in high school, we learn the teachings of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism because of their importance in history. In a theology class you would naturally learn the religious teachings, and so on. Therefore, the author of the above poem (did you write it yourself, B0zzy?) is either sadly misinformed or just likes ranting on about the state of "political correctness" in our country today.
The Cat-Tribe
20-04-2005, 02:54
Pick one, or let me:
'If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights'

Why don't you ask your teacher tomorrow to discuss the merits and faults of the Ten Commandments? If he won't bite, ask him instead to discuss the five pillars of faith in the Muslim religion - I bet he won't choke on that one.

LOL.

As a 36 year old lawyer, I don't have a teacher to ask.

I'll ask you though, o' bright one. Do you want public school teachers discussing the merits and faults of the Ten Commandments?

Most major Christian and Jewish organizations in the United States don't.
CthulhuFhtagn
20-04-2005, 02:57
Last I remember, a school wasn't congress and organizing a prayer event isn't passing a law regarding the establishment of religion, ESPECIALLY if no one is forced to go. But seriously, who the hell would go?

"Prayer Meeting after school!" - seems so popular to me
I mean organize it as in sponsor it and lead it in official capacity of the school. If it's a public school, this would be government sponsorship of a religion and thus illegal.
B0zzy
20-04-2005, 03:01
LOL.

As a 36 year old lawyer, I don't have a teacher to ask.

I'll ask you though, o' bright one. Do you want public school teachers discussing the merits and faults of the Ten Commandments?

Most major Christian and Jewish organizations in the United States don't.
Frankly I don't think that a discussion of these, or any other relevant topics, should be taboo for a teacher, either as a relevant part of a lesson plan or as a moment of personal sharing about themself. There is a line to be drawn between discussing and preaching. Currently it is between silence and preaching.
The Cat-Tribe
20-04-2005, 03:03
Frankly I don't think that a discussion of these, or any other relevant topics, should be taboo for a teacher, either as a relevant part of a lesson plan or as a moment of personal sharing about themself. There is a line to be drawn between discussing and preaching. Currently it is between silence and preaching.

So, if Teacher says the Ten Commandments are patriarchal mythology most of which are self-serving to religious leaders and the rest used primarily to oppress others, you'd be fine with that?

Teaching about religion - OK.

Teaching religion - Not OK.

Your view about the status quo is simply wrong.
B0zzy
20-04-2005, 03:12
So, if Teacher says the Ten Commandments are patriarchal mythology most of which are self-serving to religious leaders and the rest used primarily to oppress others, you'd be fine with that?

Teaching about religion - OK.

Teaching religion - Not OK.

Your view about the status quo is simply wrong.
Umm, nope - it is contemporary;
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/a/2004/10/12/national1008EDT0474.DTL

It is late and I must signoff. Too bad or I'd find the article about the boy who was sent home from school for wearing a t-shirt with the ten commandments on it. Maybe someone else here will find it... It really shows the shallowness of the McCarthyist witch hunt.
The Cat-Tribe
20-04-2005, 03:15
Umm, nope - it is contemporary;
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/a/2004/10/12/national1008EDT0474.DTL

It is late and I must signoff. Too bad or I'd find the article about the boy who was sent home from school for wearing a t-shirt with the ten commandments on it. Maybe someone else here will find it... It really shows the shallowness of the McCarthyist witch hunt.

Um, nope. That article doesn't even vaguely support your view.

Perhaps you should learn what you are talking about before you spout off.

And you might look up "McCarthyist" as you have it ass-backward.
Anikian
20-04-2005, 03:22
NOTE: I am too lazy to add quote tags everywhere, so I'll just use quotation marks.

"Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd." - What can I say, he's an odd guy :p Not much to say here, except that it isn't prayer that is banned, it is the school leading and sacntioning it. Students can go ahead, if they so wish.

"If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now." - No, you can pray, the school just can't have class prayers - even an optional one still has the school supporting prayer. Best thing would be maybe a student prayer group that takes care of it. Oh, and educationally, how much value does scripture have, beyond historical analysis (which IS done, since world history includes most of the major religions and their impacts).

"Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice." - Same as before, you can pray but the school can't advocate one way or another, just leave it an open option to the students. And what damage does colorful hair do? My poofy-rainbow clown hair hurts you in no way, unless it prevents you from seeing the board (I don't actully have poofy-rainbow clown hair, it was an example :) )

"For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state." - Same thing, nothing new needed.

"We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable. " - Once more, do they hurt you? Except maybe 'cussing', and I have no doubt that you have probably been exposed to that before, so if it harms you, you really are sheltered. Guns in school=bad idea. Duh. And, same argument as always - you can pray if you want.

"We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong." - If she is pregnant, why should that make her unable to be Senior Queen? It was a bad decision, and pretty dumb is an understatement, but she isn't a criminal. I don't know anyone that condemns teaching right from wrong, they are just against teaching that Bible=right, other=wrong. Besides, doesn't your bible say "Thou shalt not judge?"

"We can get our condoms and birth controls," - fact - abstinance plus works a whole lot better than just absitance, because if they listen, good, and if they don't, you have a contingency. At least in my school, they stressed that absitnance is the only efective way, and pointed out repeatedly that the others all had mediocre success at best.
"Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles." - Oooh, scary, they are teaching other religions! Wait, the teachers DON'T convert you? They just give you great literary works including this sacrilage, and perhaps discuss it in a historical context! GASP!
"But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd." - Ahem. A), see above, multiple times; B) We studied the 'word of God' in a historical, rather than a religious context, as do many schools.

"It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!" - Go ahead, it is your right to pray to your false diety. Don't like me calling it a false god? Well, you enjoy calling other religions false, and saying that Christ is the only path, nothing else works, they are all lies, ect. So sue me for using those words. I'll win, if justice is preserved. You pray to your Lord, and I'll refuse to do the same; both are our rights, and I will no more stop you from praying than you will force me to.

"Amen" - and awomen, too XD Sorry, I couldn't resist that joke.
Niccolo Medici
20-04-2005, 03:30
Umm, nope - it is contemporary;
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/a/2004/10/12/national1008EDT0474.DTL

It is late and I must signoff. Too bad or I'd find the article about the boy who was sent home from school for wearing a t-shirt with the ten commandments on it. Maybe someone else here will find it... It really shows the shallowness of the McCarthyist witch hunt.

Your article discusses the removal of a state endorsement of the ten commandments...not a state endorsement of anti-Ten commandment teachings, are you unable or unwilling to see the difference?

And McCarthyist witch hunts are nothing at all like what you describe here. Do you know what McCarthyism is? Because you are using it completely and utterly out of context.

When you get back online, if you could explain just how a refusal on the part of the state to endorse a religion is religious persecution. Then you can explain how proper judicial proceedings equate to sensationalist witch hunts to aggrandize those in power.

If you can do both of those, I suppose we might have something to discuss. As it is, I'm afraid I'm inclined to dismiss you as someone who's willing to sacrafice reason for political idealology.