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I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

About as much as the men wearing beauty products :p (sorry being silly that is a negatory good buddy)

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

You won't be a man until you scratch your private parts in public. *nod*

You won't be a man until you scratch your private parts in public. *nod*
hear hear

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?
isn't it horrible? we may even reach a point where people dress and groom themselves based on their personality and individual comfort level, rather than adjusting their appearance to conform to traditional gender roles!

THE HORROR! THE HORROR!

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

No, it just means that you're not a walking chemical factory / make-up advert.

isn't it horrible? we may even reach a point where people dress and groom themselves based on their personality and individual comfort level, rather than adjusting their appearance to conform to traditional gender roles!

THE HORROR! THE HORROR!
Its cool with me! (always been a fan of a girl in some bagy jeans myself) :)

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

It's only the first step towards man.... but one giant leap towards being manlike.

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

Depends. Are you watching lots of sports, drinking beer, and flatulating in public? ;)

Depends. Are you watching lots of sports, drinking beer, and flatulating in public? ;)
Lol ... I must not be a man ... I do none of the above :P

All that I ask is please,please,please don't hack your boobers off, and keep your body from your upper lip down as hairless as possible.

Lol ... I must not be a man ... I do none of the above :P
Girly boy

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

NO you tool: It simply means you couldn't be arsed to go to all that trouble or perhaps you don't have the time, I don't wear make up every day to college, it would destroy my skin, I have never worn much make up and have always had pretty good skin compared to some of my friends, I wear pants most of the time becos I have horrible legs, I don't have short hair, I love my hair.

Either that or your a lesbian!!!!!!!! heehee :p

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

I hardly ever wear makeup, usually wear pants, and have had short hair for a couple of years, now...

Maybe I am turning into a man...

Oh, wait... I just found a flaw in my reasoning....

:)

Lol ... I must not be a man ... I do none of the above :P

Same here... perhaps we are lesbians?

Same here... perhaps we are lesbians?
that's hot. Make porn and give it to me

Same here... perhaps we are lesbians?
MAYBE I used to say I was a lesbian traped in a man's body :p

I sure as hell hope not.

Girly boy
Maybe ... I am more into whisky, battle bots, trucks and martial arts :p

Women who don't wear makeup are hot. There is nothing less attractive then getting close to a woman and realizing she's got on spackle.

Depends. Are you watching lots of sports, drinking beer, and flatulating in public? ;)

Uhoh. ;) :D
Well, hockey and baseball are fun... beer (eww)... and how about burping? LOL.

LOL. You guys crack me up. =)

Maybe ... I am more into whisky, battle bots, trucks and martial arts :p
Pretty girly to me

Pretty girly to me
Maybe you have had too many of thoes beers :p :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Natch. Can't be responsible for actions, right? ;)

Maybe you have had too many of thoes beers :p :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Too many? That's not possible
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Too many? That's not possible
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
I supose its not! too bad I am at work I could use a drink :p

Hmmm, let's see...

I usually hate make-up and thus barely use it (only on very special occasions and then not really a lot).

I usually wear pants, you see me in a skirt usually only on Halloween if it's part of the costume.

I usually have short hair, just currently letting it grow because I don't want to wear a wig on this year's Halloween. I think that short hair is more comfortable.

And... I don't shave my legs that often either.

*checks self* But I don't look male... so...

Let me see....

Makeup is a waste of time and money. Why should I give my hard earned cash to rich cosmetics corporations just because I'm a woman? I wear makeup on special occasions, and that's it.

I wear jeans because they are comfortable, offer freedom of movement, and allow me to wear running shoes instead of high heels. So, when I'm 80, I won't have to have operations on the tendons in my legs because wearing high heels constantly shortened them, and I won't have to have my little toe chopped off so I can wear shoes with pointy fronts. Also, I don't have to wear nylons which are hot and snag on everything all the time.

What else? Ah yes, shaving. I don't see where that's anyone's business, but I do shave my pits, and my legs on the rare occasion that I wear a skirt. And if you have a problem with pubic hair, there's a good chance that you're a closet pedophile and just haven't realized it yet. Adult women have hair. It's a characteristic of sexual maturity. Get over it. No one I've slept with has ever complained about hairy legs -- in fact, some preferred it, since I rarely had stubble, which means no razor or stubble burn in sensitive places.

Oh my god, I must not be a woman, I don't do anything right. /sarcasm

Let me see....

Makeup is a waste of time and money. Why should I give my hard earned cash to rich cosmetics corporations just because I'm a woman? I wear makeup on special occasions, and that's it.

I wear jeans because they are comfortable, offer freedom of movement, and allow me to wear running shoes instead of high heels. So, when I'm 80, I won't have to have operations on the tendons in my legs because wearing high heels constantly shortened them, and I won't have to have my little toe chopped off so I can wear shoes with pointy fronts. Also, I don't have to wear nylons which are hot and snag on everything all the time.

What else? Ah yes, shaving. I don't see where that's anyone's business, but I do shave my pits, and my legs on the rare occasion that I wear a skirt. And if you have a problem with pubic hair, there's a good chance that you're a closet pedophile and just haven't realized it yet. Adult women have hair. It's a characteristic of sexual maturity. Get over it. No one I've slept with has ever complained about hairy legs -- in fact, some preferred it, since I rarely had stubble, which means no razor or stubble burn in sensitive places.

Oh my god, I must not be a woman, I don't do anything right. /sarcasm

That pedophile thing is a load of crap. I have heard many people make that argument. Some people just don't like body hair. It's not comfortable. It makes you sweat. It makes you stink.

I don't really think body hair is all that unattractive, I just don't prefer it.

That pedophile thing is a load of crap. I have heard many people make that argument. Some people just don't like body hair. It's not comfortable. It makes you sweat. It makes you stink.

I don't really think body hair is all that unattractive, I just don't prefer it.
Agreed it is like saying everyone with one sort of haircut is a pedophile :p (or likes a certian type of hair cut)

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?

Of course not. It just means you're expressing your personality and preferences, and doing what makes you more comfortable.

I don't know about other men, but I for one prefer women with little or no make-up. Or, if they wear some, only very discreet make-up. Lips, for example. I've never been attracted to women with red lips. *shrugs* But maybe that's just me...

Of course not. It just means you're expressing your personality and preferences, and doing what makes you more comfortable.

I don't know about other men, but I for one prefer women with little or no make-up. Or, if they wear some, only very discreet make-up. Lips, for example. I've never been attracted to women with red lips. *shrugs* But maybe that's just me...
No, no it's not just you.
I like country-ish girls. And since I live in Iowa, that's not hard to find.
Not the stupid, country-loving only put on this earth to birth children kind, but the sensetive, down to earth and *mostly* all natural ones. (I don't expect for them to totally lack hair, but if I start comparing the ammount of hair on our legs, then it's kinda gross). I know that the hair thing is a double-standard piece of crap by society, so call me a tool. It's just a preference from a normally very "out there" in terms of society guy.
But being down to earth is VERY important to me. That's what I like about this state.

Wait, how is it that wearing jeans, not wearing makeup, working outside the home, having careers, etc. does nothing to diminish a woman's femininity, yet when a man slaps on moisturiser, he becomes a girly-man and grows a vagina? I'd like Tink's take on this.

at UW-LaCrosse they are!

Wait, how is it that wearing jeans, not wearing makeup, working outside the home, having careers, etc. does nothing to diminish a woman's femininity, yet when a man slaps on moisturiser, he becomes a girly-man and grows a vagina? I'd like Tink's take on this.

And therein lies the question.

Wait, how is it that wearing jeans, not wearing makeup, working outside the home, having careers, etc. does nothing to diminish a woman's femininity, yet when a man slaps on moisturiser, he becomes a girly-man and grows a vagina? I'd like Tink's take on this.
Seriously? He grows a vagina? SHIT! NOOOOOO!!! DON'T USE MY FACE LOTION, HONEY!!!!! I'M NOT READY TO BE A LESBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way, the day I chose to have a career, I grew big balls. Big old balls. Balls as big as grapefruits, balls as big as pumpkins...*walks away singing the rest of the tune*

Well...
I can do DIY etc. Was brought up on painting, wallpapering, drilling & screwing. (keep your eyes in your head) Do the mucky gardening jobs too.
I usually wear jeans. Used to hate them, but then I'd wear unfashionable jogging bottoms so...
Hair...shoulder-length.
Legs?..uh-uh. Didn't need to. Now epilate maybe in the future. (evil English genes)
Make-up...special occasions.
Music...classic & soft rock mostly, starting to get heavier.
Computers. Need I say more?
Diets? What are they? Might not always be bothered to eat, but never intentionally diet.
Toning/scrubbing/moisturising: when I have time/can be bothered.
Cleaning/ironing: I suck, now leave my stuff alone!

My feminine side: nail varnish, dresses and flowers.

are women becoming men?

in bangkok they are....

By the way, the day I chose to have a career, I grew big balls. Big old balls. Balls as big as grapefruits, balls as big as pumpkins...*walks away singing the rest of the tune*

*sings*
oooooh
do your balls hang low,
can you swing them too and frow?
can you tie them in a knot?
can you tie them in a bow?
do they look very appealing when you're hanging from the ceiling?
so what i want to know is do your balls hang low?

aythangyew!

Seriously? He grows a vagina? SHIT! NOOOOOO!!! DON'T USE MY FACE LOTION, HONEY!!!!! I'M NOT READY TO BE A LESBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uh-oh, trolls. I should have said "not to be taken literally".

*sings*
oooooh
do your balls hang low,
can you swing them too and frow?
can you tie them in a knot?
can you tie them in a bow?
do they look very appealing when you're hanging from the ceiling?
so what i want to know is do your balls hang low?


I was taught instead of this line:

Can you throw them over your shoulder like a continental soldier?

Uh-oh, trolls. I should have said "not to be taken literally".
Did you just call me a troll? ME!??? How DARE YOU! Seriously...I would've taken it literally even had you said not to, just because that's how I'm feeling right now...but does that make me a troll? *walks off in a huff, shooting dirty looks back at Swimmingpool now and again*

I see so many women who don't wear makeup, wear pants all the time, and have short hair!!! Some even refrain from shaving their legs. I don't wear much makeup, does that mean I am becoming a man?


The characteristics I'd suggest have more to do with women becoming men or at least like them is their increased promiscuity and willingness to be involved in uncommitted relationships, career orientedness rather than people orientedness, material aquistion mentality, willingness to use anything and everything in a cutthroat selfish manner to aquire what they want when they want it.

I'm not saying that women working and or holding the highest of position is a bad thing. I believe woman kind is losing its feminity and relational superiority very rapidly though.

I was taught instead of this line:

Can you throw them over your shoulder like a continental soldier?

Thats better. I just made up that line because i havent heard the song in years and couldnt remember it. Ah, the memories.

I've never been arsed to do any of the things that most girls started doing as they started into puberty.

Makeup: Only happened if my sister attacked me, or for formal events. And for the formal events it was because people said I should.

Shaving: Never shaved my legs. Too troublesome in my opinion, especially since I wear pants. Armpits if I'm going to be wearing sleeveless shirts. There's something more obscene about armpit hair...

Dresses/Fashion in general: I started disliking dresses and skirts at a young age, and now only wear them on very rare occasions. Like once a year. And fashion? Pfft! I'm probably the least fashionable person out there, of any style. I just wear what's comfy. And has lots of pockets. Mm, combats...

Boys: Only a passing interest and maybe 2 or 3 crushes. These rarely even involved thoughts of kissing. Died out after age of 12.

Heck, I didn't even get into bras until it became absolutely necessary.

But in no way do I think this makes me male, or even particularly masculine. Sure I'm not exactly feminine, but I am most definitely a girl. If anything it moves more towards androgyny. All in all though, I sometimes think that my complete lack of interesting in making myself attractive as a girlfriend probably goes along with my lack of interest in sex. It's an interesting thought.

Ew. That was a lot about myself...

Wait, how is it that wearing jeans, not wearing makeup, working outside the home, having careers, etc. does nothing to diminish a woman's femininity, yet when a man slaps on moisturiser, he becomes a girly-man and grows a vagina? I'd like Tink's take on this.

This post is rather true. Though of course most of the derision would probably come from men.

The characteristics I'd suggest have more to do with women becoming men or at least like them is their increased promiscuity and willingness to be involved in uncommitted relationships, career orientedness rather than people orientedness, material aquistion mentality, willingness to use anything and everything in a cutthroat selfish manner to aquire what they want when they want it.

When were those attributes ever truly in the domain of one gender?

I'm not saying that women working and or holding the highest of position is a bad thing. I believe woman kind is losing its feminity and relational superiority very rapidly though.

Could that, perhaps, be due to the fact that "femininity" never really applied to many women anyways? Perhaps it was always a made-up ideal that most people didn't really fit?

Meanwhile, what do you mean by "relational superiority"?

isn't it horrible? we may even reach a point where people dress and groom themselves based on their personality and individual comfort level, rather than adjusting their appearance to conform to traditional gender roles!

THE HORROR! THE HORROR!

A man is not my ideal partner, I do not want to go out with a woman who looks like a man, female bodybuilders for example are very scary and very masculine, they are not attractive, if I wanted to marry one of the guys I'd marry one of the guys, not a woman, if a woan looks like a guy she's not likely to have a very successful love life.

Silly sexist! It's not women, it's womyn! :p

A man is not my ideal partner, I do not want to go out with a woman who looks like a man, female bodybuilders for example are very scary and very masculine, they are not attractive, if I wanted to marry one of the guys I'd marry one of the guys, not a woman, if a woan looks like a guy she's not likely to have a very successful love life.

For most people the true deciding factor is the female parts, but apparently for you it's just about looking feminine. I sure hope one your brethren never shows up looking too feminine cuz by that logic you might end up married.

I can't believe that this is even an issue. I have short hair, don't shave my legs, and love to wear guys cologne & deodorant) and baggy clothes (unless I'm going out to the club, though I do wear a ton of makeup. :P (I look like shit without it) And I'm not a lesbian, I'm just ME.

When were those attributes ever truly in the domain of one gender?



Could that, perhaps, be due to the fact that "femininity" never really applied to many women anyways? Perhaps it was always a made-up ideal that most people didn't really fit?

Meanwhile, what do you mean by "relational superiority"?

I don't think they were completely the domain of men for all of history, just that they were more likely to be a characteristic of me.

"Femininity" is the essence of being a woman. Perhaps what the essence of being a woman is is changing, but I do believe it exists.

What I would refer to as the relational superiority of women, is their capacity to form relationships on the basis of a combination of factors more likely to include intuitive knowledge rather than a list of verified facts. Using a greater level of perception than observation and allowing feelings to provide validation for decisions. That isn't to say that feelings are always valid or properly understood mind you, but they are tied to an interpretation of information in a manner that in some respects supercedes anything that can be empirically validated.

Also of note, I don't believe men to be incapable of the above, just less likely to utilize it...

I've never been arsed to do any of the things that most girls started doing as they started into puberty.

Makeup: Only happened if my sister attacked me, or for formal events. And for the formal events it was because people said I should.

Shaving: Never shaved my legs. Too troublesome in my opinion, especially since I wear pants. Armpits if I'm going to be wearing sleeveless shirts. There's something more obscene about armpit hair...

Dresses/Fashion in general: I started disliking dresses and skirts at a young age, and now only wear them on very rare occasions. Like once a year. And fashion? Pfft! I'm probably the least fashionable person out there, of any style. I just wear what's comfy. And has lots of pockets. Mm, combats...

Boys: Only a passing interest and maybe 2 or 3 crushes. These rarely even involved thoughts of kissing. Died out after age of 12.

Heck, I didn't even get into bras until it became absolutely necessary.

But in no way do I think this makes me male, or even particularly masculine. Sure I'm not exactly feminine, but I am most definitely a girl. If anything it moves more towards androgyny. All in all though, I sometimes think that my complete lack of interesting in making myself attractive as a girlfriend probably goes along with my lack of interest in sex. It's an interesting thought.

Ew. That was a lot about myself...

That makes you masculine, you are not feminine so you must be masculine, a woman who is interested in her job or career or herself more than others is no more admirable than a man with the same qualities, a woman like that is just a man with breasts and a vagina.

I don't think women feel the need to conform any more. We work in the same environments as men - I'm in the electronic industry - why should we not enjoy the same comforts as men - short hair is much easier to manage, shaving of legs causes ingrowing hairs and waxing is so painful, pants eliminate sweaty thigh chaffing. I get dressed up in my little skirts and my make up when going out, but if you look like that all the time, who are you impressing on a night out? Women aren't becoming men, we're liberating ourselves!

I don't think women feel the need to conform any more. We work in the same environments as men - I'm in the electronic industry - why should we not enjoy the same comforts as men - short hair is much easier to manage, shaving of legs causes ingrowing hairs and waxing is so painful, pants eliminate sweaty thigh chaffing. I get dressed up in my little skirts and my make up when going out, but if you look like that all the time, who are you impressing on a night out? Women aren't becoming men, we're liberating ourselves!

I certainly don't disagree.

But would you consider a man who liked to keep his skin nice, maybe even wear makeup, hell - maybe even wear skirts occasionally to be any more odd than a woman who wished to do so?

That makes you masculine, you are not feminine so you must be masculine, a woman who is interested in her job or career or herself more than others is no more admirable than a man with the same qualities, a woman like that is just a man with breasts and a vagina.

I'm not actually that masculine, nor am I anywhere near a man in a female body. I have male friends, and I often notice the differences in how we think. In the same vein, I also don't think like a lot of females, but I mesh with more of them than with males.

Also, I never said anything about being more interested in myself or a career (I am insufferably lazy, actually), and I care deeply for my friends and family. I do however, have no interest in sex, and therefore no interesting in MAKING myself desirable.

No... not unless men who get manicures and take care to keep their hair trimmed neatly and dress well are becoming women.

I certainly don't disagree.

But would you consider a man who liked to keep his skin nice, maybe even wear makeup, hell - maybe even wear skirts occasionally to be any more odd than a woman who wished to do so?

At this point, probably, but that is also changing very rapidly.

I can't believe that this is even an issue. I have short hair, don't shave my legs, and love to wear guys cologne & deodorant) and baggy clothes (unless I'm going out to the club, though I do wear a ton of makeup. :P (I look like shit without it) And I'm not a lesbian, I'm just ME.

But you're not very attractive either, you're just one of the guys, you might have alot of friends, but, no offense intended, I personally doubt that they see you as an attaractive person, the most likely possibility is that they see you as just one of the guys and treat you like one of the guys. (I don't know you're friends, I'm basing my assumptions off of my personal experiences, not any real knowledge of your personal situation, so please do not be offended.)

I don't think they were completely the domain of men for all of history, just that they were more likely to be a characteristic of me.

"Femininity" is the essence of being a woman. Perhaps what the essence of being a woman is is changing, but I do believe it exists.

What I would refer to as the relational superiority of women, is their capacity to form relationships on the basis of a combination of factors more likely to include intuitive knowledge rather than a list of verified facts. Using a greater level of perception than observation and allowing feelings to provide validation for decisions. That isn't to say that feelings are always valid or properly understood mind you, but they are tied to an interpretation of information in a manner that in some respects supercedes anything that can be empirically validated.

Also of note, I don't believe men to be incapable of the above, just less likely to utilize it...

That makes you masculine, you are not feminine so you must be masculine, a woman who is interested in her job or career or herself more than others is no more admirable than a man with the same qualities, a woman like that is just a man with breasts and a vagina.

Nice to see the Feminine Mystique is alive and well. Some people seem to think it doesn't exist in the wild, but only in captivity.

Now, let's see if we can find some Red Scare!

No... not unless men who get manicures and take care to keep their hair trimmed neatly and dress well are becoming women.

=) You saw that thread too, eh?

But you're not very attractive either, you're just one of the guys, you might have alot of friends, but, no offense intended, I personally doubt that they see you as an attaractive person, the most likely possibility is that they see you as just one of the guys and treat you like one of the guys. (I don't know you're friends, I'm basing my assumptions off of my personal experiences, not any real knowledge of your personal situation, so please do not be offended.)

Well, I am similar. I shave my legs only when necessary or they start to itch too much. I had short hair for quite a while (currently growing it out - it kind of cycles). I rarely wear skirts and wear very little, if any makeup.

With many of my guy friends, maybe I am just one of the guys, although most of my hetero male friends have expressed some degree of attraction to me at different points. According to my boyfriend of nearly 4 years, I am the perfect female. =)

Nice to see the Feminine Mystique is alive and well. Some people seem to think it doesn't exist in the wild, but only in captivity.

Now, let's see if we can find some Red Scare!

Actually, I didn't say that second quote. I believe it would rightfully be attributed to Miehm.

Well, I am similar. I shave my legs only when necessary or they start to itch too much. I had short hair for quite a while (currently growing it out - it kind of cycles). I rarely wear skirts and wear very little, if any makeup.

With many of my guy friends, maybe I am just one of the guys, although most of my hetero male friends have expressed some degree of attraction to me at different points. According to my boyfriend of nearly 4 years, I am the perfect female. =)

I'd have to disagree with your boyfriend, :p but it is good that he believes it. ;) I'd have to insist that my wife is the perfect female or at least the closest approximation that exists this side of Heaven.

Actually, I didn't say that second quote. I believe it would rightfully be attributed to Miehm.

Yep, that ones my fault.

Yes, you are becoming a man. *lol*

But look on the bright side. Dressing up like a woman will be a rare treat for you. Even if you don't make a habit of being 'girly', at least try it every once in awhile. It'll make you feel good about yourself.

Yes, you are becoming a man. *lol*

But look on the bright side. Dressing up like a woman will be a rare treat for you. Even if you don't make a habit of being 'girly', at least try it every once in awhile. It'll make you feel good about yourself.

(a) What does "dressing up like a woman" mean?

(b) I do traditionally "girly" things when I feel like it, and leave them out when I don't.

(c) Why would I have to meet your notion of "dressing up like a woman" to feel good about myself?

Actually, I didn't say that second quote. I believe it would rightfully be attributed to Miehm.

You are correct. Cut-and-paste error. Sorry.

I'd have to disagree with your boyfriend, :p but it is good that he believes it. ;) I'd have to insist that my wife is the perfect female or at least the closest approximation that exists this side of Heaven.

As would every man who is married\in love]\engaged etc. I'm sure.

This post is rather true. Though of course most of the derision would probably come from men.
Not at all, as Tink's thread "Are men becoming women?" proved.

The definition of a woman lies between two things: her legs. Daggum, buy an anatomy textbook. The human female, no matter how she appears, is a female for one reason. To quote the Webster Dictionary, it is to be the sex that bears young or produces eggs. Women are the only ones that can have babies. Almost all female/male differentiations come from this defining fact. Procreation, being the natural goal of a species, plays a major role in cultural development. The deemphasizing of procreation as a goal of society is a major reason for the current lowering of the divide between the sexes, as it makes men and women more inately equal in purpose and abilities. I hope y'all understand that.

Antidepressant Users']The definition of a woman lies between two things: her legs. Daggum, buy an anatomy textbook. The human female, no matter how she appears, is a female for one reason. To quote the Webster Dictionary, it is to be the sex that bears young or produces eggs. Women are the only ones that can have babies. Almost all female/male differentiations come from this defining fact. Procreation, being the natural goal of a species, plays a major role in cultural development. The deemphasizing of procreation as a goal of society is a major reason for the current lowering of the divide between the sexes, as it makes men and women more inately equal in purpose and abilities. I hope y'all understand that.

How does "you can have babies" translate into "you should wear frilly dresses, makeup, and panty hose - and you should shave your legs every day"?

Meanwhile, I don't see how procreation has been deemphasized. It's all I can do to wait until I am better prepared to do so.

I certainly don't disagree.

But would you consider a man who liked to keep his skin nice, maybe even wear makeup, hell - maybe even wear skirts occasionally to be any more odd than a woman who wished to do so?

Certainly not, I encourage my husband to use skin care products, but he thinks they make him a pussy. Men need to take care of their skin just as much as women do, I think the shaving rash they sometimes get looks quite painful and not very attractive, products help

Oh the pain, the pain of it all!

hear hear

A lady friend of mine gets annoyed at me because supposedly I'm allowed to scratch myself in public, but she can't (I don't, but hey...)

She was very happy earlier today when she got inside my dorm room and gave herself a quick scratch. Was funny as heck.

A lady friend of mine gets annoyed at me because supposedly I'm allowed to scratch myself in public, but she can't (I don't, but hey...)

She was very happy earlier today when she got inside my dorm room and gave herself a quick scratch. Was funny as heck.

Wow. People actually hold off scratching an itch just because they're female? That's different... I mean, if you're that worried about image, you can just be discrete. It's not that big a deal. Iiiinteresting...

isn't it horrible? we may even reach a point where people dress and groom themselves based on their personality and individual comfort level, rather than adjusting their appearance to conform to traditional gender roles!

THE HORROR! THE HORROR!
:D Go Bottle!

But you're not very attractive either, you're just one of the guys, you might have alot of friends, but, no offense intended, I personally doubt that they see you as an attaractive person, the most likely possibility is that they see you as just one of the guys and treat you like one of the guys. (I don't know you're friends, I'm basing my assumptions off of my personal experiences, not any real knowledge of your personal situation, so please do not be offended.)

Ah, how wrong you are. Here's where my pics are.
http://photos.yahoo.com/dementedminx

But you're not very attractive either, you're just one of the guys, you might have alot of friends, but, no offense intended, I personally doubt that they see you as an attaractive person, the most likely possibility is that they see you as just one of the guys and treat you like one of the guys. (I don't know you're friends, I'm basing my assumptions off of my personal experiences, not any real knowledge of your personal situation, so please do not be offended.)
Because we all know personal experiences constitute proof :rolleyes:
Honestly if a woman is beautifull no amount of clothing will change that (and if she has a great personality that makes things 10 times better) and that cant be hidden behind the outer shell

Ah, how wrong you are. Here's where my pics are.
http://photos.yahoo.com/dementedminx

Excellent rebuttal.

You are quite gorgeous.

Lol ... I must not be a man ... I do none of the above :P
then leave this thread, woman!

Of course not. It just means you're expressing your personality and preferences, and doing what makes you more comfortable.

I don't know about other men, but I for one prefer women with little or no make-up. Or, if they wear some, only very discreet make-up. Lips, for example. I've never been attracted to women with red lips. *shrugs* But maybe that's just me...
OMFG! FORUM POLICE! FORUM POLICE!

this person has been serious on a non-serious thread! Take 'em away!

then leave this thread, woman!
Them's fightin words :sniper: (this is my FIRST time using this smily lol 6k posts and never a sniper)

But you're not very attractive either, you're just one of the guys...


Ahhhhh...I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be 'one of the guys,' because she's...she.

Well, if women aren't spontaneously sprouting and losing as necessary to genetically morph into men, I think it's safe to say that women aren't becoming men.

My god, I hope not.

I can't believe that this is even an issue. I have short hair, don't shave my legs, and love to wear guys cologne & deodorant) and baggy clothes (unless I'm going out to the club, though I do wear a ton of makeup. :P (I look like shit without it) And I'm not a lesbian, I'm just ME.
getting philosophical on us now, huh?

So would you be "ME" if you were a lesbian?

A man is not my ideal partner, I do not want to go out with a woman who looks like a man, female bodybuilders for example are very scary and very masculine, they are not attractive, if I wanted to marry one of the guys I'd marry one of the guys, not a woman, if a woan looks like a guy she's not likely to have a very successful love life.
This reminds me of an episode of "whose line is it anyway?", where this guest star came and she was so goddamn built, she had gigantic relief muscles.

That was a funny episode, they did some dance, and in the end, a male host jumped in her arms. Then, after she left(!), they were making fun of her:
"Honey, what time do YOU think I should be home?"
and so on.

It was a little bit mean, but very funny though


I don't think women feel the need to conform any more. We work in the same environments as men - I'm in the electronic industry - why should we not enjoy the same comforts as men - short hair is much easier to manage, shaving of legs causes ingrowing hairs and waxing is so painful, pants eliminate sweaty thigh chaffing. I get dressed up in my little skirts and my make up when going out, but if you look like that all the time, who are you impressing on a night out? Women aren't becoming men, we're liberating ourselves!
Hey, women created all those fancy things anyway(long hair, nails, etc). IT's your fault you suffered! notice how a woman has to pick out a stand out dress for an official party, but all men dress alike.
Another point for the men (YEA!!!)


No... not unless men who get manicures and take care to keep their hair trimmed neatly and dress well are becoming women.
Half the guys in our school use hand lotion and so forth. they share too. ( I am part of the other half). Anyway, the biggest reaction to that, was from the girls, who complained that all men are becoming women and there is more competition to them. It was all fun though, they weren't too serious

Excellent rebuttal.

You are quite gorgeous.

Thank you very much. :)

getting philosophical on us now, huh?

So would you be "ME" if you were a lesbian?

Yep, no matter who I am or what I do, I'm just "ME". There is no classification or boundaries in my world.

:D Go Bottle!

Go Bottle, indeed!

I dress however I want. If I feel comfortable in certain clothes, I'll wear them, regardless of how they look (they have to be clean, though!). And, I feel better when my hair isn't brushed/combed, so I go with the "messy" look.

It really pisses my dad off, and I like that! I just wanna be me.