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Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!

Are you serious?

*Puts down moisturiser*

*In deep, masculine, overly butch voice*

No, no we aren't. How dare you?. Let us all go for a pint of brown ale.

yes..........

NEVER YOU HEAR ME! NEVER!

Unless I go in drag of course, but that's a different story

Any Metrosexuals here? hehe

:)

Hmm, if so... what's wrong with it?

Hmm, if so... what's wrong with it?
That was basically my point. Are women who don't take care of their skin "masculine"?

Edit: Yeah, the consumerism side is what's wrong, not any screwing up of gender roles. :p

I'm going to age gracefully. Only fools and the insecure try to hide their age. Therefore no age products. They cost a fortune anyway.

keeping clean and spot free is nice, but im not exactly exited when boys put on moisturizer! will you men never learn :headbang:
As for women who fuss loads over how they look, its fine to look good, but plastering yourself with makeup/age cream? thats not great either

That was basically my point. Are women who don't take care of their skin "masculine"?
no

I dont mind metrosexuals!

But i think boys are becoming girls becomes these days it is always the girl telling the boy they like them. :gundge: its quite frustrating.

Marketing firms will certainly try and convince men to spend their disposible income more like women do (e.g. on skin perfume) if there's a dollar in it for them. We can be assured of that.

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I am SOOOOO happy to hear a woman say that. I thought I was an endangered species of male that refuses to cry at every hug in a movie and didn't need pretty gold highlights in his hair or his hands to be oh so soft. *takes a deep breath* It makes me want to cry with happiness...*sniff*

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I am SOOOOO happy to hear a woman say that. I thought I was an endangered species of male that refuses to cry at every hug in a movie and didn't need pretty gold highlights in his hair or his hands to be oh so soft. *takes a deep breath* It makes me want to cry with happiness...*sniff*

nice to know that you're not all taken in then.

Not really - it's more likely that 'somebody' tries to conquer a new market and apparenty it works...

BTW: Did you know that beer most likely contains female hormones? Excessive enjoyment creates symptoms of pseudopregnancy in growing a belly and tits! And males lose their natural ability to drive their cars properly...

That was basically my point. Are women who don't take care of their skin "masculine"?

Edit: Yeah, the consumerism side is what's wrong, not any screwing up of gender roles. :p
Depends on whether they shave

Men becoming women? No way.

There will always be some members of both sexes that feel a need to prettify themselves.
And, Poettarrarorincoaroac had a point; marketing firms will try to sell things. It's just our economic system at work.
But that doesn't mean that men are becoming feminine, or "becoming women". It's just as likely that this has always been happening, just now everyone's more aware of it.
Men are still fufilling the same gender role they have in the past, and aren't becoming more feminine at all.

On a side note, since I have you all here... does this make my bum look big?

were just becoming more vain:)

nice to know that you're not all taken in then.
:D What can I say, pretty nails just don't interest me.

What's so bad about a guy wanting to look attractive for his woman?

Keep in mind I don't put on make up or anything, but I do put on lotion to keep my skin moisturized since I'm full of scars and all that manly stuff.

I also trim what little body hair I have since 1. I don't like it and 2. Most women tend to vomit when they see burly hairy men, or maybe they just vomit when they see me.

I also clip my nails, shave, and shower. Is showering seen as metrosexual these days?

The only thing in society that separates man from woman is the forced appearance. Men are "expected" to be strong, emotionless, and rugged. Women are "expected" to be fragile, pretty and childbearing--these stereotypes are very common in America. Any exeptions to this psychological throwback make the society grumble and scrutinize the questioned peoples. its a sadly pathetic way of society saying "i dont understand, nor do i care".

My husband uses some of those products.
I do giggle every time, it just seems so silly. :rolleyes:
But, I am also a bit impressed... it is good that he wants to take care of his skin.
He is looking older and the moisturizers help. :D

[QUOTE=Macisikan]Men becoming women? No way.

There will always be some members of both sexes that feel a need to prettify themselves.
And, Poettarrarorincoaroac had a point; marketing firms will try to sell things. It's just our economic system at work.
But that doesn't mean that men are becoming feminine, or "becoming women". It's just as likely that this has always been happening, just now everyone's more aware of it.
Men are still fufilling the same gender role they have in the past, and aren't becoming more feminine at all.

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sooooooooooooo not true. when did men ever even consider wearing makeup. its only now that men and women are trying to be more like eachother and very few think that men and women are in any way different, that men wear makup, and more and more girls dont!

What's so bad about a guy wanting to look attractive for his woman?

Keep in mind I don't put on make up or anything, but I do put on lotion to keep my skin moisturized since I'm full of scars and all that manly stuff.

I also trim what little body hair I have since 1. I don't like it and 2. Most women tend to vomit when they see burly hairy men, or maybe they just vomit when they see me.

I also clip my nails, shave, and shower. Is showering seen as metrosexual these days?
well scars are sexy so that makes up for the moisturising i guess.


trimming body hair is ok, shaving (except on the face) and waxing is where it starts to get too much.

As for showering, keep it up, that's perfectly ok!

What's so bad about a guy wanting to look attractive for his woman?

Keep in mind I don't put on make up or anything, but I do put on lotion to keep my skin moisturized since I'm full of scars and all that manly stuff.

I also trim what little body hair I have since 1. I don't like it and 2. Most women tend to vomit when they see burly hairy men, or maybe they just vomit when they see me.

I also clip my nails, shave, and shower. Is showering seen as metrosexual these days?
Hey, I spent 25 years growing this manly chest hair. I'm not going to shave it all off because some woman is having a pissy day. Of course, if I'm feeling generous, I might let HER shave it off.

What's so bad about a guy wanting to look attractive for his woman?

If your woman demands it of you, or strongly prefers it, then most would agree that nothing is wrong with more-exhaustive-than-average grooming practices. I think most choose women that don't demand this, though.

What's so bad about a guy wanting to look attractive for his woman?

Keep in mind I don't put on make up or anything, but I do put on lotion to keep my skin moisturized since I'm full of scars and all that manly stuff.

I also trim what little body hair I have since 1. I don't like it and 2. Most women tend to vomit when they see burly hairy men, or maybe they just vomit when they see me.

I also clip my nails, shave, and shower. Is showering seen as metrosexual these days?

have to agree with the body hair thing. its not nice to see or rub against. wink wink

I also clip my nails, shave, and shower.

Uh, I think we all do that. Well, I hope. But I would never fall into the consumer trap of buying male beauty products. *shudders*

sooooooooooooo not true. when did men ever even consider wearing makeup. its only now that men and women are trying to be more like eachother and very few think that men and women are in any way different, that men wear makup, and more and more girls dont!

Uh, dude, the line about "does this make my bum look big?" should have tipped you off; I was only joking. I never thought anyone would take what I wrote at all seriously...

Hey, I spent 25 years growing this manly chest hair. I'm not going to shave it all off because some woman is having a pissy day. Of course, if I'm feeling generous, I might let HER shave it off.

hmm. i think we'd rather see the finished result, not do it ourselves.

see-also: American Psycho



I use a facial cleanser, skin lotion and a facial aftershave balm (which is basically lotion for the face). Trim body hair / but never shave, and that's only once in a while when I think anything starts looking crazy. And you know, shaving anything but my face is far too much work for me, and it comes back worse. I'm somewhat concious about my appearance and dress, but I don't consider myself a metrosexual.

I mean, hey, Elvis was concious about his appearance and dress. He didn't seem to get that bad of a deal.

*shrugs* I guess each is entitled to their opinion...

Uh, dude, the line about "does this make my bum look big?" should have tipped you off; I was only joking. I never thought anyone would take what I wrote at all seriously...

I wasnt taking you seriously. but i have heard that argument from other people and in case anyone was thinking the same ting, i though id reply.
you really need to chill. never mind. :rolleyes:

*shrugs* I guess each is entitled to their opinion...
:eek: not on NS they're not!

If your woman demands it of you, or strongly prefers it, then most would agree that nothing is wrong with more-exhaustive-than-average grooming practices. I think most choose women that don't demand this, though.


My woman doesn't demand it from me, but I do pay attention to what women like and seeing my woman happy makes me happy. By the way, women don't wax because it feels good, they do it pretty much for us.

I sure as hell won't wax, or start plucking one or two excessive eye brows. I just like keeping my body a little maintained, women seem to like the dedication I put into it.

pretty much what the title says.

have to agree with the body hair thing. its not nice to see or rub against. wink wink

Like when you're at the beach and you think the guy in front of you is wearing a vest made from real gorilla chest?

My woman doesn't demand it from me, but I do pay attention to what women like and seeing my woman happy makes me happy. By the way, women don't wax because it feels good, they do it pretty much for us.

I sure as hell won't wax, or start plucking one or two excessive eye brows. I just like keeping my body a little maintained, women seem to like the dedication I put into it.
Bullshit! I called it. Women do not wax because of me. I have never asked a woman to wax her body. I never will. *shivers* Women do it because they think it looks sexy. Do I like a perfectly shaved and silky smooth leg...yep. Can I handle a little stubble as I'm running my hand up a thigh? I'm pretty sure that's not what's gonna be on my mind.

keeping clean and spot free is nice, but im not exactly exited when boys put on moisturizer! will you men never learn :headbang:
As for women who fuss loads over how they look, its fine to look good, but plastering yourself with makeup/age cream? thats not great either
I give a big plus to cleanliness and I think moisturizers aren't a bad idea but MAKEUP and AGECREAM? It's going a little too far. I happen to like the typical slightly husky bad boy that stays clean at least but makeup tears that image to shreds.

dedication??????!!!!!!!!!
have you actually asked anyone female?
has anyone told you that?

keeping neat...YES
miosturising.....NO

Bullshit! I called it. Women do not wax because of me. I have never asked a woman to wax her body. I never will. *shivers* Women do it because they think it looks sexy. Do I like a perfectly shaved and silky smooth leg...yep. Can I handle a little stubble as I'm running my hand up a thigh? I'm pretty sure that's not what's gonna be on my mind.

lmao, yeah right. Women do all that stuff to instinctively attract men. Why do women wear high heels, well it's not to be eye to eye with me, it's to make their legs look longer and their asses firmer.

By the way, I am all for a woman's ass looking firmer, tighter etc. etc. :cool:

Meh. If men are becoming women, I'm not one of them. All I need is some water, a bar of old-fashioned soap and a razor and I'm set. Combing your hair with your fingers, of course, once a day is mandatory. No combs for me. None of that perfume stuff, either. I prefer to just smell of nothing, but aftershave is as close as I'll get to being scented.

If women don't like that I have stubble instead of baby-soft skin, screw them. There's no way in hell that I'm plastering as many chemicals on as they do. I don't want to have to chisel my face off every night. It might well look good (though, I don't think so), but I can't imagine it is any good for your health. Before you say anything about women doing it for me, I'm not a big fan of women who are plastered in make up and stuff. Shower 'n shave, that's all they need to do so far as I'm concerned. Blue skin around your eyes and bright pink lips just isn't natural, I tell you... And not being able to breathe for all the perfume isn't particularly pleasant.

A little bit of exercise and healthy eating for both genders would be far more beneficial than all these chemicals, I might add. I feel pretty weak if I don't at least do 40-odd press-ups (and preferably some jogging) when I first wake up.

I give a big plus to cleanliness and I think moisturizers aren't a bad idea but MAKEUP and AGECREAM? It's going a little too far. I happen to like the typical slightly husky bad boy that stays clean at least but makeup tears that image to shreds.

EXACTLY!
What do you think of chest hai?r

dedication??????!!!!!!!!!
have you actually asked anyone female?
has anyone told you that?

keeping neat...YES
miosturising.....NO

Well I don't moisturize, I don't know. Is putting lotion seen as moisturizing? I just put some on my joints, arms, chest, abs and so forth. I don't dip myself in a tub of moisturizing cream though, that takes away from my video game time.

It is a bit of dedication, you're just looking to further the well being of your body a little. There's nothing wrong with that.

dedication??????!!!!!!!!!
have you actually asked anyone female?
has anyone told you that?

keeping neat...YES
miosturising.....NO
Random?

And I'm not saying I stumble around with my hair all messed up wearing a wife beater and piss stained boxers. I do take a shower every now and then. And I have to shave for my job. I just don't see why guys feel they need to smell pretty and have their hair just right and their nails done and the whole metrosexual concept is so disturbing to me.

EXACTLY!
What do you think of chest hai?r
It depends on the guy but I prefer no chest hair.

If women don't like that I have stubble instead of baby-soft skin, screw them. There's no way in hell that I'm plastering as many chemicals on as they do. I don't want to have to chisel my face off every night. It might well look good (though, I don't think so), but I can't imagine it is any good for your health. Before you say anything about women doing it for me, I'm not a big fan of women who are plastered in make up and stuff. Shower 'n shave, that's all they need to do so far as I'm concerned. Blue skin around your eyes and bright pink lips just isn't natural, I tell you... And not being able to breathe for all the perfume isn't particularly pleasant.

A little bit of exercise and healthy eating for both genders would be far more beneficial than all these chemicals, I might add. I feel pretty weak if I don't at least do 40-odd press-ups (and preferably some jogging) when I first wake up.

wooowoowooowooowooo! A man who prefers no makeup even a lady! thankyou! makeup is bad for your skin and it does not look that good.
p.s. I aggree with the stubble thing, but on the first date or so, its a good idea to lose it. alot of my friends wont go out with a guy a second time if he hasnt shaved to make the effort.

Random?

And I'm not saying I stumble around with my hair all messed up wearing a wife beater and piss stained boxers. I do take a shower every now and then. And I have to shave for my job. I just don't see why guys feel they need to smell pretty and have their hair just right and their nails done and the whole metrosexual concept is so disturbing to me.

fair enough.
i meant that women really dont see men who do all the other stuff (like nails etc) as having dedication, many see them as havin problems.

fair enough.
i meant that women really dont see men who do all the other stuff (like nails etc) as having dedication, many see them as havin problems.
I kinda agree. I like to look good. I like to put on a suit and go out. I like to be seen. I don't want to smell or feel like a woman when it happens, though.

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!

There at least two explanations for this if it is a real change. Something in the environment (e.g., toxin, pollution) is changing hormone levels in human males shifting their preferences slightly toward a feminine side. Alternatively, there may be sexual selection occuring whereby females prefer to mate with males who are more willing to invest in children (a slightly more feminine trait due to female mammalian ancestral adaptations; e.g., hormones needed for internal gestation and breast milk investment is a mammalian female adaptation). Females may benefit from mating with males who show indicators of feminine qualities because they (the male mate) are more likely (on average) to invest in children. This would give mothers a bit of a relief of the massive amount of parental investment they give because they are female mammals and may explain female choice for feminine males.

Then again maybe the whole thing is entirely socialized (i.e., determined by the social environment) and has nothing to do with hormones, brain and behavior. What confuses me about the socialization argument is that feminist scholars tell us that we socialize boys to be more masculine and if they are becoming for feminized then this would be the opposite effect.

On a related issue go vote for Saint Lucius Malfoy's UN proposal (I have friends in that Nation and the deadline is Friday) if you are a UN delegate (see proposal reprinted below):

Right to Learn about Evolution

In honor of the late Pope Maximus Aquinas V of the Holy Empire of Saint Lucius Malfoy we propose the United Nations endorse the idea that the teaching and learning of evolutionary theory is a fundamental human right. Our dearly departed Pope endorsed the theory of evolution as “more than a hypothesis” in his speech to the Saint Lucius Malfoy Pontifical Science Academy on December 25, 2003. A paraphrased excerpt from the Pope’s speech is below (it was published in the Annual Journal of Royal Anthropological Society: New Brunswick: United Free Press of Saint Lucius Malfoy, Volume 1, No. 1 January 2004):

“My faithful parishioners I want you to know that God would not be so malevolent as to plant evidence for an ancient Earth of approximately 3.5 billion years. The splendor and study of natural variation should be enjoyed by all children.”

The Holy Empire of Saint Lucius Malfoy believes that freedom to teach and learn is a basic pathway toward a healthier and more peaceful co-existence between nations.

It is not the intention of this proposal to enforce a curriculum upon nations which have varied cultural and societal tastes. However the United Nations must collectively discourage the suppression of this grand unifying theme called evolutionary theory. Teachers of the idea should also be free from imprisonment and persecution.

The theory connects all living things great and small. Humans can ill afford to construct artificial conceptual boundaries between themselves and the natural world. Environmentally sustainable activities may also be furthered by endorsing this "Right to learn about evolution" proposal as future generations may better understand how and why we are dependent upon the natural environment. Such understanding may be a first step toward preventing further destruction of our planet from selfish human endeavors.

pax vobiscum - peace be with you

Proposal inspired and/or partially written by the following individuals:

President in absentia: I. Asimov
Public Relations Secretary: Nathaniel Hornblower
Defense Secretary: J. Silverheels
Environment Secretary: J.A.T. Cortez
Education Secretary: Dr. Bandura
Public Understanding of Science: Dr. Dawkins
Editorial Assistance and Research: S. Jonze

fair enough.
i meant that women really dont see men who do all the other stuff (like nails etc) as having dedication, many see them as havin problems.

Oh man, the mental picture of a guy filing his nails while he discusses a baseball game :p

I myself don't like makeup on women, but when a girl's body is silky smooth and firm it just does things to me. That's the kind of body maintenance that I like.

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dude.........that's long! seriously, I'm not bored enough to bother reading all that

dude.........that's long! seriously, I'm not bored enough to bother reading all that
LMAO


PWNED! :p

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You know, I was going to respond until you started advertising random NS stuff. So, let it suffice to say, you're ignorant. :rolleyes:

I tried readign it, but I got bored after "there are two explanations" :(

I am a male. I do not put pretty colors in my hair, I do not use the word "cute" to describe things, I do not use any makeup nor do I shop for hours in order to find the perfect pair of pants. They're just pants! I am one of the last of a dying breed. There are few like me any more. I am a warrior as men are meant to be. All the rest are just sissies.

dude.........that's long! seriously, I'm not bored enough to bother reading all that

I skim read it, and what the **** has a un proposal got to do with this?

I am a male. I do not put pretty colors in my hair, I do not use the word "cute" to describe things, I do not use any makeup nor do I shop for hours in order to find the perfect pair of pants. They're just pants! I am one of the last of a dying breed. There are few like me any more. I am a warrior as men are meant to be. All the rest are just sissies.
mmmmmmmm.....hey baby ;) :fluffle:

I am a male. I do not put pretty colors in my hair, I do not use the word "cute" to describe things, I do not use any makeup nor do I shop for hours in order to find the perfect pair of pants. They're just pants! I am one of the last of a dying breed. There are few like me any more. I am a warrior as men are meant to be. All the rest are just sissies.
*raises his mug* Peace, to you my brother!

I am a male. I do not put pretty colors in my hair, I do not use the word "cute" to describe things, I do not use any makeup nor do I shop for hours in order to find the perfect pair of pants. They're just pants! I am one of the last of a dying breed. There are few like me any more. I am a warrior as men are meant to be. All the rest are just sissies.

Don't warriors use face paint? HEY! That's make up :p

Then again maybe the whole thing is entirely socialized (i.e., determined by the social environment) and has nothing to do with hormones, brain and behavior. What confuses me about the socialization argument is that feminist scholars tell us that we socialize boys to be more masculine and if they are becoming for feminized then this would be the opposite effect.

I think it's more to do with corporations than changes in society. Or rather, corporations cause the changes in society. Companies have this incredible knack of dictating what's 'cool', what's 'attractive' and whatnot, getting people to believe that their lives will be enriched if they buy certain products, and then charge the Earth for them. The biggest example is popular culture. That must be the greatest example of corporate innovation I've ever seen. It's truly brilliant. They don't even have to listen to what their customers want, because they just tell their customers what they want, and how much it will cost. Seriously, I can't commend them enough for that.

Women think that men aren't under any pressure in regards to their appearance. Or at least, some women do. Obviously the one who started this thread must at least have an inkling. The difference is, of course, that some of us just couldn't give a damn about it, so it doesn't bother us :p.

I am a male. I do not put pretty colors in my hair, I do not use the word "cute" to describe things, I do not use any makeup nor do I shop for hours in order to find the perfect pair of pants. They're just pants! I am one of the last of a dying breed. There are few like me any more. I am a warrior as men are meant to be. All the rest are just sissies.
there are lots of men like you where I live! you are not alone

I use the word cute to describe babies. Like "hey baby, you're cute. Wanna shag?"

When I'm not at work a pair of jeans, a white t-shirt and sandles is all I'll wear, but I'll still want to smell good and half way decent.

I use the word cute to describe babies. Like "hey baby, you're cute. Wanna shag?"

There are probably better ways of phrasing that...

...:p

I use the word cute to describe babies. Like "hey baby, you're cute. Wanna shag?"

I hope someone has a video camera when you actually say that. :D

I use the word cute to describe babies. Like "hey baby, you're cute. Wanna shag?"

still a virgin?

still a virgin?
Does that qualify someone for pity sex in your book?

I am a female who goes for the nearly natural state... I shower, shave and lotion... that's it... I will wear makeup only to enhance my eyes for special occasions... and even then it is only a bit of eyeliner and mascara...

for guys i have farily recently discovered the fun in chest hair.. so I dont mind that... and I ask nothing more then a clean body, and trimmed nails.. anything else is optional.....

I hope someone has a video camera when you actually say that. :D

My face slapping evasion tactics are legendary throughout the world. :)

I am a female who goes for the nearly natural state... I shower, shave and lotion... that's it... I will wear makeup only to enhance my eyes for special occasions... and even then it is only a bit of eyeliner and mascara...

for guys i have farily recently discovered the fun in chest hair.. so I dont mind that... and I ask nothing more then a clean body, and trimmed nails.. anything else is optional.....
*stares dreamily at silvercities*

Does that qualify someone for pity sex in your book?
no, should it? maybe I could add it to my last of reasons I'll have pity sex with someone

no, should it?
Um...ehem...no.

*stares dreamily at silvercities*

*blushes and waves*

still a virgin?

If you would like to think that.

When people see me and I jokingly say that I am one, they have a hard time believing it.

Mud keeps my skin young, firm and vibrant looking. :D

*blushes and waves*
How YOU doin'? Hey Baby, you're cute, wanna...nevermind. :p

If you would like to think that.

When people see me and I jokingly say that I am one, they have a hard time believing it.
i was only joking


and why do they have a hard time believing it?

How YOU doin'? Hey Baby, you're cute, wanna...nevermind. :p

*SLAP*

I did that cause I know you like it....pervert.

How YOU doin'? Hey Baby, you're cute, wanna...nevermind. :p

@_@ ummm *runs off* :P

no, should it? maybe I could add it to my last of reasons I'll have pity sex with someone
Could you forward a copy of that to my inbox. I'd like to take a look...
<.<
>.>

@_@ ummm *runs off* :P
LOL! Sorry, couldn't resist.

i was only joking


and why do they have a hard time believing it?

Because I am a man of the cloth....the wash cloth.

As we all know, religious men are a woman's secret desire :fluffle:

and why do they have a hard time believing it?

Maybe he's having sex with them at the time?

Maybe he's having sex with them at the time?

LMFAO. Is that the appropriate time to tell someone you're a virgin?

Could you forward a copy of that to my inbox. I'd like to take a look...
<.<
>.>
:rolleyes:

well guys so desperate for sex that they don't mind if the sex is just pity sex come pretty high up on the list..........

Because I am a man of the cloth....the wash cloth.

As we all know, religious men are a woman's secret desire :fluffle:
:eek: take me now! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:rolleyes:

well guys so desperate for sex that they don't mind if the sex is just pity sex come pretty high up on the list..........
*points at his signature* I suppose I could do that...

LMFAO. Is that the appropriate time to tell someone you're a virgin?

Seems as good a time as any... *shrugs*

*points at his signature* I suppose I could do that...
you're spelling of patronisation has totally turned me off now, I can't do it. To make amends you have to put 'Tink ROXORZ MY SOXORZ' in your sig

:eek: take me now! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

On, or behind the alter?

*reads from bible* And God said on to thee, go forth and shag yourselves rotten.

On, or behind the alter?

*reads from bible* And God said on to thee, go forth and shag yourselves rotten.
both!


wow, I've always wanted to have sex in a church

you're spelling of patronisation has totally turned me off now, I can't do it. To make amends you have to put 'Tink ROXORZ MY SOXORZ' in your sig
I refuse on the grounds of personal pride. :p

I'm going to age gracefully. Only fools and the insecure try to hide their age. Therefore no age products. They cost a fortune anyway.

I frweaking agree, i mean come on, if it takes 20 dollars for a littl thing of product then >.< gah i will age normally.....

The two main culprits in this movement:

a)Nivea

and

b)the metrosexual movement

both!


wow, I've always wanted to have sex in a church

Sinner!

But a damn good one it seems :)

both!


wow, I've always wanted to have sex in a church


Yea so have i, i don't know why it just comething about it... But i have to say if it was on the alter it might be more fun

I refuse on the grounds of personal pride. :p
you know you want to, people will hate you if you don't

Men are not becoming women, but there are a lot of metrosexuals.
http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/07/22/metrosexual/

you know you want to, people will hate you if you don't
*grits teeth* Thats...not...going to...WORK!

What is it with women having sex in church? HEATHENS!

I dont know if men are becoming women, however I've always felt like I'm a lesbian traped in a mans body. :confused:

*grits teeth* Thats...not...going to...WORK!
http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/sad/2.gifplease.............. http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/love/29.gif

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!

Ahh metrosexuality. Male beauty. PFAH! Yes, men are becoming womenly, but all in the name of 'sexual equality.' Which I guess means people will expect me to wear a sanitary napkin soon enough.

I think I'm on the border. I don't own a comb but I have gotten bored and died my hair before. I have tons of scars and I seem to be getting more all the time, but I also own expensive clothes and get a fifty dollar haircut every month (they massage my head). I also hate body hair on men and women so read into that what you want.

I'd like to point out that age cream or special hair products that are supposed to keep you from going bald are too much.

I dont know if men are becoming women, however I've always felt like I'm a lesbian traped in a mans body. :confused:
you know, i was going to say something along the lines of that, but you got there first...

Fifty dollar haircut? HOLY SHIT!

I cut my own hair with $30 dollar clippers that I bought 2 years ago

Fifty dollar haircut? HOLY SHIT!

I cut my own hair with $30 dollar clippers that I bought 2 years ago

I used to cut my own hair while I was in the military. Now it's frowned upon if I show up to work with a big gouge out of the top of my head because I slipped.

I used to cut my own hair while I was in the military. Now it's frowned upon if I show up to work with a big gouge out of the top of my head because I slipped.

Most of the men I work with are balding, so if I come with with a missing clump of hair they'll just think mother nature has caught up to me.

I wanted to grow an afro, but the damn corporate world frowns down on that.

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!
Yeah, I feel no need for makeup, anti-shine, anti-tiredness cream, or make up. Wrinkles are not yet an issue for me.

But moisturiser is really useful.

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!
Yeah, I feel no need for makeup, anti-shine, anti-tiredness cream, or make up. Wrinkles are not yet an issue for me.

But moisturiser is really useful.

Yeah, I feel no need for makeup, anti-shine, anti-tiredness cream, or make up. Wrinkles are not yet an issue for me.

But moisturiser is really useful.
yeah, moisturiser isn't too bad, even though one of my geeks uses it and I constantly make fun off him for being a woman because of it (although there are other reasons for that which I won't go into cause people will moan at me)

so basically what you are saying is that women should spend thousands of dollars a year to try and prevent a natural thing because people thinks it looks bad, but on men "it adds charactor" women in this country arent allow to grow up! from the age of 17 up, they are supposed to look the same, and sometimes at the age of 15! if women can do all this, then men can too. wanting to look "beautiful" has never been just a woman's thing. that idea is stupid and u are very shallow and closed minded. just grow up and realize that their isnt that much that seperates man from woman, in truth we want the same thing: to be desireable to sexy people of the other sex. its that simple.

yeah, moisturiser isn't too bad, even though one of my geeks uses it and I constantly make fun off him for being a woman because of it (although there are other reasons for that which I won't go into cause people will moan at me)

I'm really sunburned right now from playing softball so I've been moisturizing. Is that girly?

so basically what you are saying is that women should spend thousands of dollars a year to try and prevent a natural thing because people thinks it looks bad, but on men "it adds charactor" women in this country arent allow to grow up! from the age of 17 up, they are supposed to look the same, and sometimes at the age of 15! if women can do all this, then men can too. wanting to look "beautiful" has never been just a woman's thing. that idea is stupid and u are very shallow and closed minded. just grow up and realize that their isnt that much that seperates man from woman, in truth we want the same thing: to be desireable to sexy people of the other sex. its that simple.
nowadays there isn't much that seperates men and women, you're right about that, but I don't think that's a good thing and I think this just makes it worse. I like my men to be men, but that's just me, everyone finds different things attractive in the opposite sex

I'm really sunburned right now from playing softball so I've been moisturizing. Is that girly?
not at all, that's perfectly ok. But you know aftersun will be better, especially if you put it in the fridge for a while first

nowadays there isn't much that seperates men and women, you're right about that, but I don't think that's a good thing and I think this just makes it worse. I like my men to be men, but that's just me, everyone finds different things attractive in the opposite sex

Fortunately, there is a broad spectrum of men to fit the needs of any woman and a broad spectrum of women to meet the needs of any man (and mix and match). That's the nice thing about humans. Aren't we just lucky?

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!
Yeah, I feel no need for makeup, anti-shine, anti-tiredness cream, or make up. Wrinkles are not yet an issue for me.

But moisturiser is really useful.

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!

maybe they getting stuff to make us look older :gundge:

Being a man is supposed to be an advantage in that you don't need to waste money on beauty products.

maybe they getting stuff to make us look older :gundge: :eek: you might be onto something there!

I look damn good in nothing but a loin cloth.

What were we talking about?

I use lotion to masturbate. Is that girly?

I use lotion to masturbate. Is that girly?
nope, not unless you switch to anti-wrinkle cream..............I'd be quite worried then............

I look damn good in nothing but a loin cloth.

What were we talking about?
i think I should be the judge of that, pictures?

i think I should be the judge of that, pictures?

*cough*

*cough*huh?

nope, not unless you switch to anti-wrinkle cream..............I'd be quite worried then............

It keeps my hands a litte too soft, though. I got a blister from opening my office door this morning. But I think it's not the fact that I use moisturizer that is the problem. Perhaps I shouldn't spend so much time watching porn.

EDIT: It is a little wrinkly, but not usually at the time when I'm putting the lotion on.

Men have always primped and preened. It wasn't until WWII that there started to be a strong decline in men doing their best to be pretty.

Just look back throughout history. Men have pretty much always, up until very recently, powdered, beauty spotted, wigged, make-uped, creamed, and performed all manner of beauty things.

Just look at the pics of the Founding Fathers ... wigs, make-up, lace, etc.

*shrug*

I don't think it makes men "girly".

i think I should be the judge of that, pictures?

I'm at work :(

and I would cry after your criticism

I'm at work :(

and I would cry after your criticism
well when you get home.................



and I wouldn't criticise

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!

I have to agree that all that stuff makes us men into "girlymen". I don't know what "group" decided that having hair on your chest, arms, back, a few wrinkles around your eyes, gray in your beard or hair made you less of a man.

I think all the stuff mentioned makes you less of a man. Then again I have callouses on my hands and a farmers tan, (no I'm not a farmer) I work with my hands and do a lot of manual labor projects. Maybe all that stuff is for those stuck behind a desk types who don't know what "REAL" work is.

I have to agree that all that stuff makes us men into "girlymen". I don't know what "group" decided that having hair on your chest, arms, back, a few wrinkles around your eyes, gray in your beard or hair made you less of a man.

I think all the stuff mentioned makes you less of a man. Then again I have callouses on my hands and a farmers tan, (no I'm not a farmer) I work with my hands and do a lot of manual labor projects. Maybe all that stuff is for those stuck behind a desk types who don't know what "REAL" work is. :eek: that's so hot

I have to agree that all that stuff makes us men into "girlymen". I don't know what "group" decided that having hair on your chest, arms, back, a few wrinkles around your eyes, gray in your beard or hair made you less of a man.

I think all the stuff mentioned makes you less of a man. Then again I have callouses on my hands and a farmers tan, (no I'm not a farmer) I work with my hands and do a lot of manual labor projects. Maybe all that stuff is for those stuck behind a desk types who don't know what "REAL" work is.

I would have tons of callouses, but for *see above*. I have the farmer's tan and do lots of manual labor. I'm a bit clumsy so I have tons of scars to show for it. The back of my hands look like a map.

well when you get home.................



and I wouldn't criticise

LMAO! I don't get on here after work. An old pic of me, if I don't respond it's because I'm filing for unemployment

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:eek: that's so hot

...WHOA! down girl. I do have all those things, but before your imagination runs away with what you think I look like, I'm 6'3", 300lbs, no not all muscle, I love to eat as much as I like to work hard. I hope I didn't burst your bubble to badly?

I would have tons of callouses, but for *see above*. I have the farmer's tan and do lots of manual labor. I'm a bit clumsy so I have tons of scars to show for it. The back of my hands look like a map.
scars are soooooo hot

LMAO! I don't get on here after work. An old pic of me, if I don't respond it's because I'm filing for unemployment

Old pic, not safe for work (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/rickysaurus/Picture23.jpg)
OH. MY. GOD. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

scars are soooooo hot
I got a 4 inch long jaged scar right in my left side from geting stabbed :p is that hot? :D

scars are soooooo hot

Even if it means your clumsy? I also have a couple of scars on my face that seem to deepen as I get older. Those are because nobody taught me to duck when someone swings a pipe at you. Instead I stood there, laughed and dared him to do it again.

...WHOA! down girl. I do have all those things, but before your imagination runs away with what you think I look like, I'm 6'3", 300lbs, no not all muscle, I love to eat as much as I like to work hard. I hope I didn't burst your bubble to badly?
wow, that's tall! nah, you didn't burst my bubble, your still so manly and that's totally hot!

OH. MY. GOD. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

All that lotion I put on does me good :D

I got a 4 inch long jaged scar right in my left side from geting stabbed :p is that hot? :D
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Even if it means your clumsy? I also have a couple of scars on my face that seem to deepen as I get older. Those are because nobody taught me to duck when someone swings a pipe at you. Instead I stood there, laughed and dared him to do it again.
who cares how you got the scars just as long as you have them lol

All that lotion I put on does me good :D
yeah, cause it's your silky smooth looking skin that I'm drooling over :rolleyes:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Lol thanks hun :-D

who cares how you got the scars just as long as you have them lol

My mom cares. I was rather unfortunate as my mother was working in the emergency room that night and my buddy has a really big mouth. I think the guy who hit me was more upset because he came in also and was there much longer than I was. My mother can be fairly vindictive. I remember hearing her f***ing with him.

yeah, cause it's your silky smooth looking skin that I'm drooling over :rolleyes:

Have you had your drooling problem checked out?

I know some pretty good therapists

I think the average middle to upperclass male has been becoming more female. Society seems to want men that way. I'm glad that I've never bought into that crap. I'd look pretty silly having my eyebrows sculpted or having myself waxed. That's just not normal.

I don't think using moisturizing cream and other beauty products makes a male less of a man, anymore that cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids. I think I'm a man, I play rugby, drink beer, do long canoe trips, work out at the gym, do a manual labour job, and I don't think that when I cook or clean or use moisturizing cream all of a sudden I'm not a man. I don't even see how many people could get by without moisturizing cream, in the winter my skin is so dry and ichy without moisturizing cream I would be uncomfortable all the time. If you don't take care of your body your abandoning your responsibility and I don't see that as manly.

I don't think using moisturizing cream and other beauty products makes a male less of a man, anymore that cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids. I think I'm a man, I play rugby, drink beer, do long canoe trips, work out at the gym, do a manual labour job, and I don't think that when I cook or clean or use moisturizing cream all of a sudden I'm not a man. I don't even see how many people could get by without moisturizing cream, in the winter my skin is so dry and ichy without moisturizing cream I would be uncomfortable all the time. If you don't take care of your body your abandoning your responsibility and I don't see that as manly.

Do most people still care about that whole "manly" crap anyway?

Do most people still care about that whole "manly" crap anyway?

It's all in the upbringing. I tend to be a sterotypical male in many ways. I have never said "now I need to do such and such to be a guy", I just act the way I was taught to. Hopefuly that's the way most folks are, otherwise they aren't being true to themselves.

wow, that's tall! nah, you didn't burst my bubble, your still so manly and that's totally hot!

Why thank you, m'lady. :D You made my day.

Hey! When did this become a scar comparison competition?

Breaks over got to get to work.

Hmmm... saw this and immediately thought of the "environmental estrogens" in the news over the last several years.

Why thank you, m'lady. :D You made my day.

Hey! When did this become a scar comparison competition?

Breaks over got to get to work.
and now you've made mine! :D thanks :fluffle: :fluffle:

Im 17 and I use face wash but thats so i dont get pimples. I like to get tan but thats b/c im a lifegaurd and dont want to blind everyone. I do not shave except for the face but i have been so tempted lately so what do you girls think of hair like happy trail and all that b/c to me its in the way.

What's so happy about a happy trail?

What's so happy about a happy trail?


Well, if it forms a smiley face...

Well, if it forms a smiley face...

That's one hell of a trail!

All signs point to a smiling weiner.

LMAO! I don't get on here after work. An old pic of me, if I don't respond it's because I'm filing for unemployment

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Nice tits.

Nice tits.

Thanks, I let baby monkies suckle on them as part of my volunteer work.

yeah, cause it's your silky smooth looking skin that I'm drooling over :rolleyes:
What do you think of dry, peeling type skin? How about skin with blisters or other kinds of spots? :D

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!
I have a lengthy deal on this, as it is one of my observations as well, but I'll spare you. The short of it is-someone figured out that they could sell to men the same way that they sold to women. (I blame Maxim. GQ and Details tried but it was Maxim that mixed the formula of undermining confidence/re-enforcing with products and selling to us like we where still 10 (a jet that turns into a razor? C'mon...and look at pick-up ads....)

So, as a market-yes, we are.

Do most people still care about that whole "manly" crap anyway?

How many heterosexual women do you know who are just dying to sleep with a total wuss?

How many heterosexual women do you know who are just dying to sleep with a total wuss?
Plenty of women looking for a understanding man

I know plenty of jackass "males" that women dont want as well (both extremes like most things tend to be un atractive in the long term)

Plenty of women looking for a understanding man

I know plenty of jackass "males" that women dont want as well (both extremes like most things tend to be un atractive in the long term)

I'm not talking about men who are understanding. I'm talking about spineless, weak, cowards who won't ever stand up for what they believe, will bend over to take any abuse from anyone, and who have low self-esteem and no self-confidence.

You know, a complete wuss.

I'm not talking about men who are understanding. I'm talking about spineless, weak, cowards who won't ever stand up for what they believe, will bend over to take any abuse from anyone, and who have low self-esteem and no self-confidence.

You know, a complete wuss.
Ok we are geting confused ... the origional quote was about being unmanly which does not directly = wuss (uless you are calling all women wusses)

Of manly traits caring is not generaly concidered one ... but there are plenty of women desiring it
So yes someone can be un-manly and desired

Ok we are geting confused ... the origional quote was about being unmanly which does not directly = wuss (uless you are calling all women wusses)

Of manly traits caring is not generaly concidered one ... but there are plenty of women desiring it
So yes someone can be un-manly and desired

A manly man must be caring and strong at the same time.

Are manly men allowed to play video games and "collect" transformers and star wars toys?

Cause I'm all man baby!

A manly man must be caring and strong at the same time.
Not nessisarily can still have a manly man that is not caring unless your deffinition is different then my percived norm (we are not working with an exact deffinition here so there are possible differences)

Not nessisarily can still have a manly man that is not caring unless your deffinition is different then my percived norm (we are not working with an exact deffinition here so there are possible differences)

Well, there isn't much point in being "strong" if it isn't going to be used. Being caring and supporting is a good way to use one's moral strength.

If it isn't something that is part of the overall appeal to women, it isn't "manly". Watching too much sports, or drinking a lot of beer, or driving way too fast all the time isn't "manly".

If a woman observes the behavior, and thinks to herself, "you don't see that every day, and boy would I like a man who was like that", then that's manly.

Could be something as simple as being a man who keeps a clean and organized apartment, or a man who is caring and non-judgmental, etc.

Lately I've been noticing an increase in the number of adverts for male beauty products, to start with it made me laugh, now I'm starting to feel slightly disturbed by it. Nowadays you can get moisturiser, anti-wrinkle cream, cream to make you less shiny, cream to make your skin look less tired, make up, all for men! I've always thought that men look better as they get older, wrinkles add character, plus it's all just so girly!

I don't think so, afterall, it was quite commonplace for the ancient egyptian men to wear makeup. Moisturiser isnt totaly about vanity either, if you get realy dry skin, it will itch, flake and sometimes crack and bleed. COnsidering those consequences, I wonder that more men dont use the stuff. The same goes for lip balm (i am NOT talking about lipstick, lipstick is a vain product). A lot of anti wrinkle products incorporate spf 15 at least, and this is good for our men...we dont want them to die of skin cancer now do we?

Are manly men allowed to play video games and "collect" transformers and star wars toys?

Cause I'm all man baby!
I guess that you could be considered a manly man... but I'll still call you a dork.

I don't think so, afterall, it was quite commonplace for the ancient egyptian men to wear makeup. Moisturiser isnt totaly about vanity either, if you get realy dry skin, it will itch, flake and sometimes crack and bleed. COnsidering those consequences, I wonder that more men dont use the stuff. The same goes for lip balm (i am NOT talking about lipstick, lipstick is a vain product). A lot of anti wrinkle products incorporate spf 15 at least, and this is good for our men...we dont want them to die of skin cancer now do we?
Good points. I can only conclude that Tink is "teh über-ebil-feminzazi" who wants us to DIE!!!"

I think that men should be able to use whatever kind of product they want without feeling like they will be mocked. Our society should be such that people won't discriminate against other people just because they like to make themselves look better by whatever means necessary. That' s what i think that this boils down to.

Well, there isn't much point in being "strong" if it isn't going to be used. Being caring and supporting is a good way to use one's moral strength.

If it isn't something that is part of the overall appeal to women, it isn't "manly". Watching too much sports, or drinking a lot of beer, or driving way too fast all the time isn't "manly".

If a woman observes the behavior, and thinks to herself, "you don't see that every day, and boy would I like a man who was like that", then that's manly.

Could be something as simple as being a man who keeps a clean and organized apartment, or a man who is caring and non-judgmental, etc.
You are going beyond "manly" into good man territory :) (which I agree wtih) :fluffle:

I think that men should be able to use whatever kind of product they want without feeling like they will be mocked. Our society should be such that people won't discriminate against other people just because they like to make themselves look better by whatever means necessary. That' s what i think that this boils down to.

Using products is one thing. Being a complete narcissist is another. I'll mock a narcissist when I see one.

Whats wrong with a bit of good ole' body hair? ;)



If I wanted to become a woman, I couldn't, cuz' I'd be one rugged ass woman. I get stubble within two hours of shaving. Yeah, and after a week of a shaveless face, I get more facial hair than most guys do in a month.

Using products is one thing. Being a complete narcissist is another. I'll mock a narcissist when I see one.
Narcissism is a different thing all together. Men like that tend to be all around douchebags anyway. what I mean is that if a man wants to make himself look better when he goes out or when he goes out to meet his girlfriend, he should be free to do so without being laughed at.

Whats wrong with a bit of good ole' body hair? ;)



If I wanted to become a woman, I couldn't, cuz' I'd be one rugged ass woman. I get stubble within two hours of shaving. Yeah, and after a week of a shaveless face, I get more facial hair than most guys do in a month.
That's mildly creepy

After a day of playing paintball or surfing I am totally messed up. Mud, sand, and grit all over my face, body and paintball gun. Nothing more satisfying than driving back home with the top off the jeep and the sand sifting away in the wind. Then coming home to take a shower, eat a ton of food, and then crash. As the adrenaline subsides I become a ragdoll unable to move. It's a very peaceful feeling.

Right, sure, um, what? >> Last time I checked, caring how you looked was a good thing.... I mean, personally, I couldn't care less if my clothes clashed worse than horseback riding in the pacific ocean, but most people do. Since when did it become "feminine" to not have wrinkles. And about that men becoming women thing..... ever heard of the Fab 5? ^-^ :fluffle:

After a day of playing paintball I am totally messed up. Mud and dirt all over my face, body and paintball gun. Nothing more satisfying than driving back home with the top off the jeep and the sand sifting away in the wind. Then coming home to take a shower, eat a ton of food, and then crash. As the adrenaline subsides I become a ragdoll unable to move. It's a very peaceful feeling.

After a day of driving around Tikrit, I am totally messed up. Mud and dirt all over my face, armor, and rifle. Nothing more satisfying than driving back to base with the top off the Hummer and the sand sifting away in the wind. Then coming back to base to hit the showers, eat a ton of food at the dining facility, and then crash. As the adrenaline subsides, I become a ragdoll unable to move. It's a very peaceful feeling.

Too light to enter the military so that's what I ended up doing.

Too light to enter the military so that's what I ended up doing.

You weigh less than 125 pounds?

I make make up look good. :cool: