NationStates Jolt Archive

As one of few conservatives to grow up in Austin, the only liberal haven in Texas, I have many liberal friends. I thrive on debating ideals whenever one of them feels like a challenge, but it's always good-natured and civilized. But judging by my every experience after leaving Texas, and the very atmosphere of these forums, it seems this is the exception rather than the rule. So I'm wondering:
Do any of you politically enthusiastic forumites have friends of polar-opposite ideology?

Yes.

No, we need a massive war to settle this.

Yes.


But I am secretly plotting their untimely demise.

In normal life, I get along fine. But NS is full of radicals and extremists. Most people are moderates, but on NS it seems everyone is still dissapointed Comrade Stalin passed away.

In normal life, I get along fine. But NS is full of radicals and extremists. Most people are moderates, but on NS it seems everyone is still dissapointed Comrade Stalin passed away.

:headbang:

Ok. But it really doesn't seem that way sometimes.

In normal life, I get along fine. But NS is full of radicals and extremists. Most people are moderates, but on NS it seems everyone is still dissapointed Comrade Stalin passed away.
Nice attempt at flamebait.
Isn't it funny that few of them are totalitarians. I see you have your politics mixed up.

See, things like that are why they don't seem to coexist will. Each side finds it hard to resist a chance to snipe at the other.

Yes.
No!

That is like asking if the Red Sox and the Yankees will ever get along. It is the nature of conservatives and liberals (in the American political scene) to clash. Their ranks are filled with individuals who want to butt heads rather than actually discuss the issues.

I'm a radical Communist, but my old best friend joined the local Neo-Nazi movement. I am a good friend of the campus College Republicans, and I go to church. We aren't all dickheads. In fact, I think it's always easier to be an asshole to someone whom you've never met before (which is why I think if I met Bush, unguarded in real life, then I wouldn't really eviscerate him like I want to, just probably get in a fight with him, or at the most maim him)

Nice attempt at flamebait.
Isn't it funny that few of them are totalitarians. I see you have your politics mixed up.

See, things like that are why they don't seem to coexist will. Each side finds it hard to resist a chance to snipe at the other.
Oh come on, you must admit that NS is waaaaay of the mainstream towards the left. Most liberals don't view communism as a viable political system; here its accepted as completely normal and functioning.

Oh come on, you must admit that NS is waaaaay of the mainstream towards the left. Most liberals don't view communism as a viable political system; here its accepted as completely normal and functioning.

Bah.

There are more libertarians here than liberals, I think.

Very few here support communism.

Nope.

Oh come on, you must admit that NS is waaaaay of the mainstream towards the left. Most liberals don't view communism as a viable political system; here its accepted as completely normal and functioning.
I never said that NS wasn't farther left than the norm wherever you are. It most likely is.
I said that it seemed like flamebait to say all the lefists admired Stalin.

:headbang:

Oh hush you know its true. It seems like this forum attracts freaks from every possible extreme of the spectrum.

It depends. Since I am neither, will they both get their sniffers out of my buisness?

The liberals can piss off about my guns - I'm keeping them. They have hurt noone to date, nor have I. :sniper:

The religious right can stop telling me that pre-marital sex is wrong. With any luck Im going to keep having it on a regular basis. :D

The liberals can accept the fact that paying people for free because they are black/spanish/asian/purple is actually racist and breeds dependancy and hatred. :rolleyes:

The conservatives can shove their family values - forcing them on people does nothing but cheapen an otherwise wonderful concept.

In short they can all leave me the hell alone until such time as I recklessly endanger or actually hurt someone else or their property.

Oh hush you know its true. It seems like this forum attracts freaks from every possible extreme of the spectrum.


Many many freaks.

FREAKS. FREAKS. FREAKS.

Not so much Stalinists.

Considering that liberals ARE conservatives in some nations...

The net is full of political oddballs who seem to believe their own brand of ideology - contrary to all available evidence - will eventually prevail. meanwhile, the real world carries on regardless. Damn it.

Many many freaks.

FREAKS. FREAKS. FREAKS.

Not so much Stalinists.

A few names come to mind...

We'll get along when they're all dead. Every single one of them. Especially those extreme ones. And don't you doubt our inevitable triumph!

No!
Yes!

A few names come to mind...

*hides in corner behind plant, tries to muffle voices in head*

i dont see it happening in Michigan but other states maybe.. although i have some Liberal friends i myself tend to be very conservative until i get pissed then im as liberal as they come :p

Bah.

There are more libertarians here than liberals, I think.

Very few here support communism.

You are kidding right? Are you using a different definitions of liberal?

Yes they can. I get along with quite a number of liberals and I am very conservative.

Yeah, we can get along when we're not talking about how much Dubya sucks. I mean, my best friend is a hardcore Right-Wing religious nut-job and we're best friends when I'm not calling her boy, the president. We can get along socially, but never politically. :mad:

You are kidding right? Are you using a different definitions of liberal?

Liberal =/= communism. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

EDIT: hang on, I might have misunderstood you... if you weren't equating the two then consider me dining on sumptuous humble pie.

I think we could all get along if we actually wished to. My boyfriend of a year and a half is a hardcore Republican, and I'm as liberal as they come. I mean, if a pair such as us can make it through the elections without a fight, I'm sure others could to. Hopefully, at any rate.

Moderation, compromise and the realisation both sides can have good points to make help people get along. There are sensable reasons for liberalism, as for libertarianism and conservativism, we all just have different priorities.

Moderation, compromise and the realisation both sides can have good points to make help people get along. There are sensable reasons for liberalism, as for libertarianism and conservativism, we all just have different priorities.

But this is Nation States.... That talk is just plain nonsense. If someone doesnt agree with you then its your duty to assasinate their credibility, or flame them into submission.

Moderation, compromise and the realisation both sides can have good points to make help people get along. There are sensable reasons for liberalism, as for libertarianism and conservativism, we all just have different priorities.I weep for you - you've got no hope of surviving here.

"Moderation and compromise? That's them thar fightin' talk!"

You are kidding right? Are you using a different definitions of liberal?

Liberalism is no more communism than conservatism is fascism, they are two different things. Autocracy and crushing of civil rights is hated by liberals.

I weep for you - you've got no hope of surviving here.

"Moderation and compromise? That's them thar fightin' talk!"

Emotion, bile and hate are greater than logic, calmness and negotiation?

Don't fear for me, I am a passionate liberal but I also try to see other peoples points of view.

If everyone could agree with live and let live I think we would be ok. Sence some on both sides see the need to encroach on my rights I will fight to defend them.

Emotion, bile and hate are greater than logic, calmness and negotiation?
Apparently so. Also add sweeping generalisations, inappropriate labels and logical fallacies. My God, the logical fallacies...

If everyone could agree with live and let live I think we would be ok. Sence some on both sides see the need to encroach on my rights I will fight to defend them.

Classic libertarian talk :).

I'm going to change my nation's motto to:

"I do not hold any beliefs which I know to be wrong. So, as long as I am the standard, those who don't agree with me must be wrong."

Then, everyone can guess whether I'm a Democrat or a Republican....that'll keep some folks mighty busy.

Yes, in person, people will get along, because no one wants to get their face rearranged. Makes for polite conversation, and a few minutes of polite conversation usually ends up being friendly - you can be friends.

On the Internet, people feel free to say bad things. In political commercials, people feel free to say bad things. And during an election, some people can't maintain their grip on reality, and begin to believe what their candidate is saying.

Everyone would be a much better conversationalist if we were all chatting down at the pub, knocking back a few pints, and just talking.

I'm a social democrat/democratic socialist, go to a unitarian church, yet one of my best friends is a mormon.

However, on NS, everybody turns vicious. myself included.

Everyone would be a much better conversationalist if we were all chatting down at the pub, knocking back a few pints, and just talking.
Motion seconded!
We need less personal attacks and more drinking!
:p

I do not. How can someone who supports the biggest threat to world peace (Bush/Cheney admin) the biggest threat to working America (Bush/Cheney) and the biggest hypocrites in the history of the US be my friend. They support the demise of the very country I love.

I think liberals and conservatives might be able to get along. The trouble is getting them to agree with the fascists, nationalists, authoritarians, libertarians, communists, socialists, Nazis...

Motion seconded!
We need less personal attacks and more drinking!
:p
Until the inevitable:

I, I fuggin'...luv you, I do. Yormyvewwybezmateinnawold.

Are you drinking what we're drinking?*

*'scuse my Brit-centricism

Conservatives and liberals will never get along. The closest unification between the two groups in American history is World War II, where only one congresswoman voted against the war. Other than that we will continue to argue with each other until:
1) We just say "f*ck it" and declare all out nuclear war between U.S. and the rest of the world.
2) One party realizes they were wrong and being dumb all along (up to you to figure that out. Hint: It's the one trying to make America ruler of the world because God said so)
3) We all wrap ourselves in duct tape and keep it free of any partisan stickers and cover our mouths with duct tape too.
4) One party, most likely conservatives, completely wipe out the other party. 5) Liberals say "f*ck it" and design spaceship to live on mars and watch as conservatives run out of oil then fall into complete anarchy while praying for God to save them, but that will never happen because 1) there is no God and 2) They destroyed themselves.

From dehumanization to arms production,
To hasten this nation towards its destruction,
It's your choice, your choice, your choice, your choice,
Peace or annihilation

I believe Liberals and conservatives can get My best friend is a communist, while I am a die hard Libritarian and Capitalist. We make jokes about eachother. I call him comrade, and go make him work on the commune. He calls me a Capitalist pig, and wonder what nation I will exploit next. It's all in jest. They can personally get along. When a person cannot separate political and personal feelings for someone else, we are truly lost as a species.

yeah it turns into fist fights most of the time :rolleyes:

hell, I don't even know what half my friends think about politics, it never comes up.

I do not. How can someone who supports the biggest threat to world peace (Bush/Cheney admin) the biggest threat to working America (Bush/Cheney) and the biggest hypocrites in the history of the US be my friend. They support the demise of the very country I love.

I do agree that recently several very bad decisions have been made by the Republican Adm. but don't forget that the other party is no better. The Democrats lead us into the maddness which was Vietnam. The bad guys are the large multinational corporations that control the two mainstream parties through bribes, either campaign contributions or plush advisor postitions, etc. This control has allowed them to run wild, to rape the planet, piss away its resources and ignore the consiquneces that we all have to deal with. What the Reps and Dems are doing is like a political chess game. Generating stratigic votes by appealing to different crowds. Third parties are much more concerned about the people and their issues. Dividing the country weakens the citzens and destracts them. You acctually have more in common with a voter from a different party than you do with YOUR OUR CANDIDATE because all of the presidents have been multimillionaires and most of the voters are not. You have more in common with your ideological enemy than you think.
My girlfriend is a Republican and I am a strong supporter of the Green Party. We see eye to eye on many issues including the Iraq war, but we still deal with other conflicting opinions. We get along fine becauce we handle discussion in a more civil way. We don't engage in namecalling because it would be riduculous. I guess the point is that while many sheeple do believe EVERYTHING their leaders tell them, you can still find decent people who support different ideas. PS Anyone who thought Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world was lead on by the government controlled media. I dare anyone to refute that.

Raping plantes, w00t!!!

Pissing away resources, w00t!!!

Where do I sign up? ;)

I weep for you - you've got no hope of surviving here.

"Moderation and compromise? That's them thar fightin' talk!"

Oh, on the contrary. Did you notice how he said realizing that everybody had valid points was the key, then artfully avoided saying that conservatism and libertarianism have valid points? That's an admirable quality around here.

Being a Communist; Liberals and Conservatives would look like best buddies when you see how impossible it is for Communists and Fascists to come to any agreement; we're out for each other's blood, literally. Fascists take pictures of Communists and post them on the internet (redwatch.org for one) and give up death threats over the phone (happened to me once). Communists; along with their Anarchist antifa buddies routinely beat up Fascists in the streets.

When we come back to be a major movement; they will be fascist blood flowing the streets again just like back in the 1930s in Germany; and this time we won't lose. ;)

I have some conservative freinds; we avoid politics; I have quite a few Socialist, Social Democrat and a few Extreme Socialist buddies who are as radical as me.

Liberals and conservatives can get allong fine. Democrats and Republicans can't because the're just competing for the right to arse rape us the way they like it, although sometimes the quit quibbling about how to rape us and just go for it.

Being a Communist; Liberals and Conservatives would look like best buddies when you see how impossible it is for Communists and Fascists to come to any agreement; we're out for each other's blood, literally. Fascists take pictures of Communists and post them on the internet (redwatch.org for one) and give up death threats over the phone (happened to me once). Communists; along with their Anarchist antifa buddies routinely beat up Fascists in the streets.

When we come back to be a major movement; they will be fascist blood flowing the streets again just like back in the 1930s in Germany; and this time we won't lose. ;)

I hope both groups of authoritarians get flushed down the sewer.

Oh, on the contrary. Did you notice how he said realizing that everybody had valid points was the key, then artfully avoided saying that conservatism and libertarianism have valid points? That's an admirable quality around here.

Really?

Let's look:

Moderation, compromise and the realisation both sides can have good points to make help people get along. There are sensable reasons for liberalism, as for libertarianism and conservativism, we all just have different priorities.

:eek:

Perhaps you listened to the Faux News version.

Really?

Let's look:



:eek:

Perhaps you listened to the Faux News version.
Eh? well his speech may not be perfect, but the way I read it, I emphasized "as for." Which suggested he was considering them separately, and sort of almost including it by saying we all just have different priorities.

"There are sensable reasons for liberalism, as for libertarianism and conservativism, we all just have different priorities."

Can liberals and conservatives *ever* get a long?

A long what?

a long what?

A long what?
foiled again :(

I do not. How can someone who supports the biggest threat to world peace (Bush/Cheney admin) the biggest threat to working America (Bush/Cheney) and the biggest hypocrites in the history of the US be my friend. They support the demise of the very country I love.

Congrats. Your first post and you already sound almost as bad as skapdroe

Conservatives and liberals will never get along. The closest unification between the two groups in American history is World War II, where only one congresswoman voted against the war. Other than that we will continue to argue with each other until:
1) We just say "f*ck it" and declare all out nuclear war between U.S. and the rest of the world.
2) One party realizes they were wrong and being dumb all along (up to you to figure that out. Hint: It's the one trying to make America ruler of the world because God said so)
3) We all wrap ourselves in duct tape and keep it free of any partisan stickers and cover our mouths with duct tape too.
4) One party, most likely conservatives, completely wipe out the other party. 5) Liberals say "f*ck it" and design spaceship to live on mars and watch as conservatives run out of oil then fall into complete anarchy while praying for God to save them, but that will never happen because 1) there is no God and 2) They destroyed themselves.

From dehumanization to arms production,
To hasten this nation towards its destruction,
It's your choice, your choice, your choice, your choice,
Peace or annihilation


Why is it that once people start talking sense next they turn into lunatics like the guy in my quote?

I mean up until point number 5, he was doing good.

Than he goes Atheist and stupid sounding. (no offense lol)

Oh hush you know its true. It seems like this forum attracts freaks from every possible extreme of the spectrum.

I wonder, does that statement include me?

foiled again :(
Awww, I wanted to make that joke too...

Um, most of my friends are apolitical I guess. I tend to not shy away from an argument if I disagree with them though. But then I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative, so I guess I'll never get a long... :(

Why is it that once people start talking sense next they turn into lunatics like the guy in my quote?

I mean up until point number 5, he was doing good.

Than he goes Atheist and stupid sounding. (no offense lol)

lol

I think that means that I don't give a shit and/or i want to sound stupid sounding

Eh? well his speech may not be perfect, but the way I read it, I emphasized "as for." Which suggested he was considering them separately, and sort of almost including it by saying we all just have different priorities.

"There are sensable reasons for liberalism, as for libertarianism and conservativism, we all just have different priorities."
And here's the problem. It's written down rather than spoken and consequently you have few indicators on how sincere they are and where they're placing the emphasis in the statement.

One inadvertently misplaced comma and you're in trouble. I think the best thing to do is presume sincerity and decency until proven right or wrong.

It's tough though, I admit. A lot depends on mood. Sometimes it's hard to keep the anger out of your posts even if that anger doesn't even relate to the topic at hand.

Damn. I got all sensible and reasonable, that won't do. Ummm, all conservatives are wankers. Will that do?

Yeah, I have no problems proving my comrades wrong in their political ideas. ;)

No, really there is no problems caused by political differences. In fact, our differences give us something to talk about. (What a 'liberal' thing to say.)

Oh, I also don't live in America.

In short they can all leave me the hell alone until such time as I recklessly endanger or actually hurt someone else or their property.
www.lp.org