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only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.

Because that's a good way to get beat up by a girl. :p

dude, do you knwo what's hotter than a vagina, or a pair of boobs? 2 vaginas and 4 boobs.

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.
Yeah!
I mean, come on, spread the hate!

:D

because everyone loves hot girl-on-girl action

It's normally considered attractive for two girls to do their thing, but not when two guys do their thing. It a sort of degredation of the female body, but hey, if it's hot, it's hot. I don't watch porn, but I can understand the reasoning...I wouldn't want to see gays in action, even if it's just kissing, either.

because everyone loves hot girl-on-girl action

Your explanation owned me.

I expected the "lesbians are hot" responses. And I *strongly* agree. Hard. um yeah

Anyway, surely if one was a true "homosexuality is EVIL!" social conservative then one should apply it across the board.

oh they *do* but they don't mean it. deep down in their hearts, they crave the sight of firm-breasted women tonguing each other.

I expected the "lesbians are hot" responses. And I *strongly* agree. Hard. um yeah

Anyway, surely if one was a true "homosexuality is EVIL!" social conservative then one should apply it across the board.

Sorry, boob on boob action cannot be defeated, even by Hitler himself, the lord of ultra-right wingers.

Sorry, boob on boob action cannot be defeated, even by Hitler himself, the lord of ultra-right wingers.
Yes, I myself applaud the work that female-on-female licking has done to combat Nazism. :D

without a penis involved how can it be nasty?

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.
because they cover lesbians when they bash all women who take the slightest amount of pleasure from sex. women aren't supposed to enjoy it, they're supposed to hold still while hubby gets them preggers. all women who like sex or who expect pleasure from sex are going straight to hell, so there's no need to make a separate category for females who enjoy sex with other females. men, on the other hand, are allowed to like sex, just so long as they enjoy it with a nice fertile submissive female and not with another man.

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.
Because they're ignorant arsewipes already?

Because they're ignorant arsewipes already?

I think that might be it :D.

because they cover lesbians when they bash all women who take the slightest amount of pleasure from sex. women aren't supposed to enjoy it, they're supposed to hold still while hubby gets them preggers. all women who like sex or who expect pleasure from sex are going straight to hell, so there's no need to make a separate category for females who enjoy sex with other females. men, on the other hand, are allowed to like sex, just so long as they enjoy it with a nice fertile submissive female and not with another man.
I didn't think of that, it's probably right.

Wait. Shouldn't you be in the kitchen?

Anyway, surely if one was a true "homosexuality is EVIL!" social conservative then one should apply it across the board.

Why? There's a lot of inequality in social conservatism. The end result is supposed to be an ideal society to live in. Apparently socially conservative men think that society would be better if it was ok to watch women go at it on PPV (I guess socially conservative women either don't care or won't admit to liking sex as readily and openly).

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.

Maybe most homophobes are men so therefore have nothing to fear from a gay woman? Just a random idea.

I didn't think of that, it's probably right.

Wait. Shouldn't you be in the kitchen?
yes sir, sorry sir.

*takes off shoes and gets back to making pies for the menfolk*

Maybe most homophobes are men so therefore have nothing to fear from a gay woman? Just a random idea.
wouldn't they have MORE to fear from a gay woman? i mean, she could be "taking" women from him! a gay man is one less man competing for female booty, but a gay woman is like a better-smelling, less hairy man who probably has clothes she can borrow and actually knows what to do with a clitoris...i'd call that a serious threat...

Maybe most homophobes are men so therefore have nothing to fear from a gay woman? Just a random idea.
I don't know about that. I think that the male homophobes tend to be more vocal about it than the female homophobes.

because they cover lesbians when they bash all women who take the slightest amount of pleasure from sex. women aren't supposed to enjoy it, they're supposed to hold still while hubby gets them preggers. all women who like sex or who expect pleasure from sex are going straight to hell, so there's no need to make a separate category for females who enjoy sex with other females. men, on the other hand, are allowed to like sex, just so long as they enjoy it with a nice fertile submissive female and not with another man.
uhhh what the hell are you smoking dude? i hate fags but love women! i even love women on women! i would rather be a homophobe than a heterophobe that rambles some bullsh*t like that...


~Pot~

I think that girl on girl action is hard to think of as nasty even for gay haters... :fluffle: *getting really hard...* just kidding! lol! :D

Guy on Guy that I think is dicusting! :gundge: but hey this is coming from another straight guy so don't get mad at me...

and I think that's part of the reason you don't hear about lesbians as much as gay men from the homophobes... :p

wouldn't they have MORE to fear from a gay woman? i mean, she could be "taking" women from him! a gay man is one less man competing for female booty, but a gay woman is like a better-smelling, less hairy man who probably has clothes she can borrow and actually knows what to do with a clitoris...i'd call that a serious threat...
lmfao... this is some crazy stuff. i love gay women too! we both like p*ssy! neither one of us like d*ck. that is what is boils down too. p*ssy is pentyful, enough to go around for us straight guys and gay women. if gay guys got a little good putang for the first time then they might not be gay. you guys are so missing the point here...


~Pot~

No one wants to have the shit beat out of them.

dude, do you knwo what's hotter than a vagina, or a pair of boobs? 2 vaginas and 4 boobs.
lol

wouldn't they have MORE to fear from a gay woman? i mean, she could be "taking" women from him! a gay man is one less man competing for female booty, but a gay woman is like a better-smelling, less hairy man who probably has clothes she can borrow and actually knows what to do with a clitoris...i'd call that a serious threat...
Awesome point!

lmfao... this is some crazy stuff. i love gay women too! we both like p*ssy! neither one of us like d*ck. that is what is boils down too. p*ssy is pentyful, enough to go around for us straight guys and gay women. if gay guys got a little good putang for the first time then they might not be gay. you guys are so missing the point here...


~Pot~

Maybe if you got some mangina you'd be a fag?

Personally I love gay guys, less competition and they know all sorts of things about girls you don't, because most girls are more open with them. Then again most girls are pretty open with me and I'm straight... last I checked?

Spartan117_RulerOfAll']I think that girl on girl action is hard to think of as nasty even for gay haters... :fluffle: *getting really hard...* just kidding! lol! :D

Guy on Guy that I think is dicusting! :gundge: but hey this is coming from another straight guy so don't get mad at me...

and I think that's part of the reason you don't hear about lesbians as much as gay men from the homophobes... :p
I've watched gay porn with my wife and frankly I've done a couple things with one of my buddies and it's just better, it's like what that person said baout girls knowing what to do, well guys know how they like it so its a lot better... not that my wife doesn't get me well

Maybe if you got some mangine you'd be a fag?

Personally I love gay guys, less competition and they know all sorts of things about girls you don't, because most girls are more open with them. Then again most girls are pretty open with me and I'm straight... last I checked?
Come on out of the closet, its obvious.

Come on out of the closet, its obvious.
I was going to say that to him, but I felt out of place.

Because people hate what they see in themselves. . .

lmfao... this is some crazy stuff. i love gay women too! we both like p*ssy! neither one of us like d*ck. that is what is boils down too. p*ssy is pentyful, enough to go around for us straight guys and gay women. if gay guys got a little good putang for the first time then they might not be gay. you guys are so missing the point here...


~Pot~
pot, you have no idea how glad i am that you are one of the dumber people i've encountered. if you weren't so completely wrong, if my gay father hadn't been married to my mother for 19 years, then i wouldn't exist. now, correct me if i'm wrong, but that punches jsut a teensy little hole in your theory, no?

I was going to say that to him, but I felt out of place.
from what you said on my sex thread, you're more in place here than any of us.

Because people hate what they see in themselves. . .

I believe that is from Hesse?

"Wenn wir einen Menschen hassen, so hassen wir etwas, was in uns selber sitzt"

I believe that is from Hesse?

"Wenn wir einen Menschen hassen, so hassen wir etwas, was in uns selber sitzt"
Translation: Whenever we hate a people, we hate it because of what we see in oursleves.-Yep.

from what you said on my sex thread, you're more in place here than any of us.
sh... those are secrets... :P lol
*can't remember exactly what you know*

I know quite a lot of young screaming girls who love boy on boy action.

Thanks to the Manga...

I assume that female homophobes are probably more icked about female on female going ons than by male on male. In fact the complete opposite is probably true of the whole "I'm a straight guy. Gay guys are gross, but lesbians are sexy". Plenty of women like the thought of two guys together.

Mm, slash.

sh... those are secrets... :P lol
*can't remember exactly what you know*
*insert evil laughter here*

seriously, i don't remember exactly waht either, other than it was bloody interesting. you want i should bump it?

Translation: Whenever we hate a people, we hate it because of what we see in oursleves.-Yep.

Wunderbar! :)

*insert evil laughter here*

seriously, i don't remember exactly waht either, other than it was bloody interesting. you want i should bump it?
but of course im always interesting... :P
nah, it's okay.

*insert evil laughter here*

seriously, i don't remember exactly waht either, other than it was bloody interesting. you want i should bump it?
but of course im always interesting... :P
nah, it's okay.

but of course im always interesting... :P
nah, it's okay.
alright. i won't bump it. but i did start a new one. post! the nick demands it!

alright. i won't bump it. but i did start a new one. post! the nick demands it!
lol... post the link and I'll post in it, I'm too damn lazy to find it...
At least I'm remembered for something even if it is my crazy sexual styles, musical preferences and politics.

uhhh what the hell are you smoking dude? i hate fags but love women! i even love women on women! i would rather be a homophobe than a heterophobe that rambles some bullsh*t like that...


~Pot~
wow, a fag-hating man who brags about his love of pussy...the girlies must just RUN to you.

wow, a fag-hating man who brags about his love of pussy...the girlies must just RUN to you.

I dunno... You sound so sincere, why am I feeling that there's a sarcastic edge to what you said? and what am I missing that I'm not entirely infatuated with him? I feel like I failed life...

lol... post the link and I'll post in it, I'm too damn lazy to find it...
At least I'm remembered for something even if it is my crazy sexual styles, musical preferences and politics.
bah. fine. *grumble, grumble*
sex sex sex (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413343)

on topic, i ws actually kind of serious in my original reply. two women means the possibility of becoming the meat in a tasty little sandwich. lord knows i'm workin on that one myself. two men means you are forced to face your own inadaquicies. which i totally misspelled.

wow, a fag-hating man who brags about his love of pussy...the girlies must just RUN to you.
I don't know any girls or guys that would be attracted to him. Okay, I do know one person. But he's the most homophobic gay guy in the world... lol Also a complete non existing hypocrit.

bah. fine. *grumble, grumble*
sex sex sex (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413343)

on topic, i ws actually kind of serious in my original reply. two women means the possibility of becoming the meat in a tasty little sandwich. lord knows i'm workin on that one myself. two men means you are forced to face your own inadaquicies. which i totally misspelled.
But the best is when it's a girl, a guy and yourself (me being a guy) cause in my case I only full on had my wife, my buddy had fun though he only got to play around, i satisfied my wife, i still had p*ssy, and though he's a bit bigger (only a bit), he only has one testicle and i can stay erected after orgasm and have multiples, so it equals out nicely.

<snip>

Wow. . .that's way more info. than I ever wanted on MFM threesomes . . .

Oh, and to the people who are into lesbians because they want to be the "meat in the sandwich," what makes you think they would want you or give you the slightest chance? Most lesbians are pretty lesbianic.

Hot lesbians r hot not ugly lesbians. No one likes to see 2 guys goign at it not even a girl. It's just weird and nasty :sniper:

Hot lesbians r hot not ugly lesbians. No one likes to see 2 guys goign at it not even a girl. It's just weird and nasty :sniper:

Actually I know several women who really enjoy seeing two guys make out (makes parties interesting for m!) and a slightly smaller number who watch gay porn. You are incorrectly applying your personal revulsions (which it is okay to have as long as you manage to keep it personal) to everyone else.

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.
This hasn't necessarily been my observation. There are two kinds of lesbians out there, there are the so-called "lip stick lesbians," those are lesbians that exhibit feminine traits like those exhibited by most heterosexual woman. Then there is what some call "dykes", they tend to wear short "butchy" hair and exhibit more masculine qualities as opposed to feminine ones. My observation has been that homophobes will tear to pieces "dykes" yet give "lip stick" lesbians a free pass, if not even express sexual desire for them.

dude, do you knwo what's hotter than a vagina, or a pair of boobs? 2 vaginas and 4 boobs.

This has the be THE dumbest question of all time. You are, after all, talking to a presumably gay guy. Yes, two women are hotter than one, and lots more fun, but asking this question and giving the answer(btw, X vaginas and 2X boobs is the correct answer) is really a waste of effort as is this retort. :)

Oh, and to quote a lesbian I know "Seeing two men kiss is gross." Of course she went on to mention she doesn't mind their choice, but she hated to see them affectionate in public. I mentioned something about more women for me thereafter and got a good laugh and an argument that they were for her.

To conclude, that was a stupid question even if I do happen to agree with you.

snip
jsut out of curiosity, have you ever heard the term "sardonic?"

I make fun of both gay men and lesbians in equal amounts. So, I guess I "am out to get" both types of homosexuals?

This is easily the most retarded thread I've read in well over a month.

Wow. . .that's way more info. than I ever wanted on MFM threesomes . . .

Oh, and to the people who are into lesbians because they want to be the "meat in the sandwich," what makes you think they would want you or give you the slightest chance? Most lesbians are pretty lesbianic.
Well, sorry, but you risked it by being attracted to a board that I've been leaning like this for awhile.

Well, sorry, but you risked it by being attracted to a board that I've been leaning like this for awhile.

LOL, it's okay I forgive you. I am afterall the king of oversharing.

Hot lesbians r hot not ugly lesbians. No one likes to see 2 guys goign at it not even a girl. It's just weird and nasty :sniper:
you realize gay porn is most watched by straight women, right?

if some gay person started rubbing your leg or something like that and you are like "WHAT THE F**** ARE YOU DOING!?" would that be considered homophobic? because if it is im a homaphob. im alright with gay marraige and all that b/c i really couldnt give a damn. o yea and boob on boob action is really hot just to point that out again.

if some gay person started rubbing your leg or something like that and you are like "WHAT THE F**** ARE YOU DOING!?" would that be considered homophobic? because if it is im a homaphob. im alright with gay marraige and all that b/c i really couldnt give a damn. o yea and boob on boob action is really hot just to point that out again.

You mean if you got mad if someone touched you without permission? No, that wouldn't be any more homophobic than it would be heterophobic if a girl started rubbing your leg and you got pissed.

This is easily the most retarded thread I've read in well over a month.

I don't know, I found the interminable discussion on "asexual" behavior (I think it's still running?) equally so.

I don't know, I found the interminable discussion on "asexual" behavior (I think it's still running?) equally so.

The preponderance of noobs posting on this thread about how two gay guys is gross and icky makes it the worst one I've seen in a while.

This has the be THE dumbest question of all time. You are, after all, talking to a presumably gay guy. Yes, two women are hotter than one, and lots more fun, but asking this question and giving the answer(btw, X vaginas and 2X boobs is the correct answer) is really a waste of effort as is this retort. :)

Oh, and to quote a lesbian I know "Seeing two men kiss is gross." Of course she went on to mention she doesn't mind their choice, but she hated to see them affectionate in public. I mentioned something about more women for me thereafter and got a good laugh and an argument that they were for her.

To conclude, that was a stupid question even if I do happen to agree with you.
many just hate thinking baout men sexually even if its with other men

The preponderance of noobs posting on this thread about how two gay guys is gross and icky makes it the worst one I've seen in a while.
but it's so damn funny.

but it's so damn funny.

It makes me wish I could shoot people through the internet.

but it's so damn funny.

And yet, its sad too.

The preponderance of noobs posting on this thread about how two gay guys is gross and icky makes it the worst one I've seen in a while.

I quote:

"Hot lesbians r hot not ugly lesbians. No one likes to see 2 guys goign at it not even a girl. It's just weird and nasty"

I believe we can draw conclusions from this.

It makes me wish I could shoot people through the internet.
wait, you mean you can't? what browser do you use?

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.

Something kind of funny,

-lesbians are seen as entertainment by men, which is insulting to some
-gay clubs often lock out lesbians. Gays HATE lesbians.

I quote:

"Hot lesbians r hot not ugly lesbians. No one likes to see 2 guys goign at it not even a girl. It's just weird and nasty"

I believe we can draw conclusions from this.

Yeah, you can conclude that I'm currently trying to stab my eyes out with a spork.

Eat me.

Gays HATE lesbians.

That's news to me since some of my best friends are lesbians. . .

Eat me.
who? where? with what?

Yeah, you can conclude that I'm currently trying to stab my eyes out with a spork.

Just give it to me when you're done. I had to look for it... :(

What do you consider homophobic?

I don't have a problem with gays, i just would rather not see any guy-on-guy action. The sex lives of others is none of my business. Does that make me a homophobe?

You mean if you got mad if someone touched you without permission? No, that wouldn't be any more homophobic than it would be heterophobic if a girl started rubbing your leg and you got pissed.

Why would a straight guy get pissed about a hertosexual woman touching him? As far as the whole debate goes.

Which present a better mental picture

Two hairy guys that are going at it, and one of them is probably fat

OR

Two skinny clean girls cuddling one another and playing with one another.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing some women on women action in my lifetime! (in real life, not on the internet).

What do you consider homophobic?

I don't have a problem with gays, i just would rather not see any guy-on-guy action. The sex lives of others is none of my business. Does that make me a homophobe?

No. Hating gay people for being gay makes you homophobic. Thinking two guys getting it on is gross is not necessarily homophobic. I personally have sex with other guys on occasion, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to watch two guys get it on, or even watch me and another guy get it on. I know just how ugly it is.

you realize gay porn is most watched by straight women, right?

not true.
some women like it, but a lot prefer straight porn.
reason: we like to imagine ourselves in the situation. It's not like we're actually attracted to the men. Usually we're just in our own world.

What do you consider homophobic?

I don't have a problem with gays, i just would rather not see any guy-on-guy action. The sex lives of others is none of my business. Does that make me a homophobe?


Nope, not as long as you are willing to treat gays the same way you do heterosexuals. I personally do not want to see straight action or vaginas, but I have no problem with heterosexuals. It doesn't make me heterophobic--it would if I thought they were going to hell, or shouldn't get married legally, or shouldn't hold hands in public.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing some women on women action in my lifetime! (in real life, not on the internet).

I did, and it wasn't pretty. They wern't skinny to say the least. :eek:

Eat me.
gladly

That's news to me since some of my best friends are lesbians. . .

Ha. ever been to a gay club in FL and seen the "women in pants not allowed in saloon" sign? The law is still in the books and all the guys are taking advantage.
Obviously my assumption was a bit extreme and I apologize.
But I get enough shit down here that it almost feels true.

Why would a straight guy get pissed about a hertosexual woman touching him? As far as the whole debate goes.

If this woman:

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/ccarter/2004/11/11/ugly_girl.jpg

came up to you and started feeling you up, you wouldn't mind?


Which present a better mental picture

Two hairy guys that are going at it, and one of them is probably fat

OR

Two skinny clean girls cuddling one another and playing with one another.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing some women on women action in my lifetime! (in real life, not on the internet).

Which present a better mental picture:

Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt cuddling one another and playing with one another;

OR

Roseanne Barr and Star Jones going at it

?

Which present a better mental picture:

Roseanne Barr and Star Jones going at it

?

Oh....dear God....

That is without a dobut one of the foulest images I have ever had in my head... :(

Oh....dear God....

That is without a dobut one of the foulest images I have ever had in my head... :(

And my point is proven.

And my point is proven.
you need to stop making me all bisexual like. jerk.

And my point is proven.

Still, seeing Rosie o Donnell in bondage gear was one of my lowest points as well...

you need to stop making me all bisexual like. jerk.

I win again!


Still, seeing Rosie o Donnell in bondage gear was one of my lowest points as well...


Another excellent example of what I am talking about.

Still, seeing Rosie o Donnell in bondage gear was one of my lowest points as well...
wait, that actually happened? i mean, somewhere other than every night in my most secret and elusive of dreams?

wait, that actually happened? i mean, somewhere other than every night in my most secret and elusive of dreams?

Yes, in the mediocre mid 90's movie Exit to Eden. It was a totally unnecessary scene.

Oh, and you are very disturbed. Not even Pan would go near Rosie.

Mmmmmm...Rosie... *drool*

I was going to say that to him, but I felt out of place.
Maybe its a her

Homophobe
Homo-gay man
Phobia-fear

1.There arent many true homophobes...only people who dont like gays
2. Lesbians are hot
3. Alot of straight men dont take offense to gay men, they just dont think they should get the same marriage rights for reasons i wont list here
4 A true Homophobe is gayer than a gay man himself

And Rosie...that fat, overbearing, liberal lesbian SON of an ebola monkey is one of americas most degrading icons. Id rather have michael moore as a pet than her as a celeb.

I'm amazed no one has actually hit on the point of why Homophobes don't bash dykes.

IMHO, its pretty simple: Women, regardless of sexual orientation, are NOT a threat to the Homophobes masculinity.

I mean, they hate Gays in order to prove they themselves aren't Gay. I think a fair number of them are closet cases terrified that anyone will even suspect them of being Gayu. The fact that many Gays have the guts to be open about the sexuality makes them even more angry with them, because they haven't even got the guts to admit it to themselves.

Having been in prison I saw a lot of guys who were big time homophobes on the streets eagerly be putting their weiners in some man bum. They'd never willingly take the bottom though, cuz that means you Gay for real, not just letting off some sexual steam in the big house (hey, if it's the only thing available, you don't have much choice)

I even saw a guy turn in to a full on Queen while inside, and then went right back to gaybashing when he got out.Prison is a different world altogether, and I doubt many of you have any clue to what its like in there. Whats okay in prison sex is not okay on the outside. But the fact that these dudes did it so frequently made me conclude that lots of homophobes are closet cases


p.s. I was in for a first offence of the hard drug variety. I did two years in a jail so ancient and so bad that every day in there counts as two towards finishing your senetence. I was also in jail because I had taken the fall for my higher-ups, a biker gang. They took care of me, paying for fancy lawyer to get my sentence reduced, and they protected me in jail, and often covering my ass, quite literaly.

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.
Because lesbians aren't the ones that the homophobes are secretly attracted to.

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.
Under the patriarchy, the feminine stereotype is desexualised, passive and yielding. The empowered, sexually explorative woman is still an alien concept in Western society. We discourage it, call them sluts and what not. The idea of lesbians being in the same sin bin as gay men only occurs on a theoretical level, when the individual's generalisation is momentarily extended to comprehend women as part of the stereotype. On the whole, it's the gay men who bear the brunt of this editorial ridicule because a male+male relationship rocks the foundation of Western heterosexual society. Women, being passive and desexualised, are expected to interact in a far more intimate way. We can laugh it off with perceptions that those two chicks are just very close, "just because they're hugging doesn't mean they're banging each other." Unless one of them has short hair and wears pants. Then she is perceived as a disgusting attempt at traditional masculinity.

Sexuality encompasses what the person is most like - an effeminate man, a butch woman, a 'straight-acting' homosexual - as well as who the person is attracted to. I think more gay men cop more flack for both the first and the second, while those pretty, lipstick lesbians are concealed beneath an expectation of what a woman should look like, and because they're still represented as passive and yielding, they are the ideal content for pornography targetted at the masculine market. Somehow, the makeup and push-up bras make the homosexuality more digestable for the otherwise homophobic male market.

I've been reading a bit of Germaine this week.

Homophobe
Homo-gay man
Phobia-fear

1.There arent many true homophobes...only people who dont like gays-

Missing a very important point here love - the term homophobia, (while it can technically denote a phobia of gay people) was originally coined colloquially to mean a hatred of gay people, which is still its meaning today. Its popular usage is sod all to do with fear, it simply means hatred, and while you can claim a million and one reasons for that hatred (including fear) please don't confuse that with the recognised colloquial meaning of the word, or use such simplistic and inaccurate definitions to support an unsupported and unrealistic so-called argument.


2. Lesbians are hot

Generalise much? Speaking as a single lesbian (and enjoying playing the field thank you very much) I can say otherwise, although - again - that isn't the point. Lesbians are not on this planet to fuel other people's fantasies, nor are we here to look pretty and have 3somes with pathetic straight men - equality will have arrived the day we are allowed to be a sexual minority in our own right without having to pander to stereotypes or even having the stereotypes at all.


3. Alot of straight men dont take offense to gay men, they just dont think they should get the same marriage rights for reasons i wont list here

On the contrary, you should try walking around at night with openly gay men (as I do on a regular basis after clubbing). The problem is the pack mentality - a straight man on his own might be the least homophobic person you can imagine, but put him in a group of straight men, and you'd be surprised what he'll do. I've seen my best mates (all gay men) get verbal (and even physical) abuse from people that I KNOW aren't homophobic on their own - even to the extent of men that I KNOW are gay themselves, but will abuse gays if they're in a group.


4 A true Homophobe is gayer than a gay man himself

Has it ever occurred to you that the derogatory use of the term 'gay' is more homophobic than those you're 'attacking'?

Acanthoscurria, pissed off because her darling Stevie got attacked friday night :mad:

holy crap that was hot what you just wrote... :p lol

see I told you lesbians were hot *says this extreamly sarcastically*


poor Stevie... :eek:

btw, I think that this thread woud be better suited to talking about rainbows... :cool: lol!!!

Missing a very important point here love - the term homophobia, (while it can technically denote a phobia of gay people) was originally coined colloquially to mean a hatred of gay people, which is still its meaning today. Its popular usage is sod all to do with fear, it simply means hatred, and while you can claim a million and one reasons for that hatred (including fear) please don't confuse that with the recognised colloquial meaning of the word, or use such simplistic and inaccurate definitions to support an unsupported and unrealistic so-called argument.




Generalise much? Speaking as a single lesbian (and enjoying playing the field thank you very much) I can say otherwise, although - again - that isn't the point. Lesbians are not on this planet to fuel other people's fantasies, nor are we here to look pretty and have 3somes with pathetic straight men - equality will have arrived the day we are allowed to be a sexual minority in our own right without having to pander to stereotypes or even having the stereotypes at all.




On the contrary, you should try walking around at night with openly gay men (as I do on a regular basis after clubbing). The problem is the pack mentality - a straight man on his own might be the least homophobic person you can imagine, but put him in a group of straight men, and you'd be surprised what he'll do. I've seen my best mates (all gay men) get verbal (and even physical) abuse from people that I KNOW aren't homophobic on their own - even to the extent of men that I KNOW are gay themselves, but will abuse gays if they're in a group.




Has it ever occurred to you that the derogatory use of the term 'gay' is more homophobic than those you're 'attacking'?

Acanthoscurria, pissed off because her darling Stevie got attacked friday night :mad:At last, the voice of reason and sense has entered this debate. Thanks for your post

I think some of these straight guys are just scared, or maybe just jealous?

I mean, I like gay guys. They're cool. For once they, usually, take care of their body. They don't come home and sit on the couch while getting fat and watch football (clichè maybe? I wouldn't say so, I don't know any gay guy who's overweight). They're, usually, a lot nicer (you can talk with them about things straight guys, usually, have no idea of, or don't show any interest in. Though luckily there are exceptions of that among straight guys). And the best thing, you don't have to worry that they're trying to get into your pants.

I'm not getting into the marriage discussion, since the arguments against gay marriage are usually ridiculous (like, "marriage, the corner stone of family and society"; divorce rates seem tell a different thing, and the increasing number of single parents... but anyway...).

In general - I think most of the important bases have been touched.

(So to speak).

Our 'civilisation' (huh!) is largely - even to this date - phallocentric. Thus - women are not often accorded the same status as men, and are, in fact, still often treated as property... handed from father to husband, and still 'owned' by males.

Thus - they have no sexuality OF THEIR OWN, at least, according to the phallocentric eye of society. They cannot be 'gay' because they cannot make choices.

The other aspect of our phallotheism, is that it reveres the phallus in terms of propogational ability... in terms of it's fertility 'power'. Thus - a phallus that does not INCREASE fertility, is an enemy of society... and, since men (even destructive elements) are given the societal ability to choose, 'gay' men must CHOOSE their orientation, and must choose it as an attack on our pro-phallic society.

Further to that - lesbianism titillates the phallic culture, by objectifying female sexuality for male tastes. Lesbian pornography is almost always catered to a male market (usually involving phallic representations... the 'religious icons' of the phallotheistic cult)... and female-orientated lesbian pornography is not considered nearly as 'titillating'... and so, not as attractive.

The last point is: our culture draws a fine line around 'acceptable' phallocentricity. The 'stud' is an object of reverence, the 'male hero' is an object of worship... but the phallocentric male must always stay clear of the non-productive side of phallocentricity. Atheletes kissing each other is 'manly', because it is part of the worship of the phallus. Average men kissing each other is not 'manly', because it removes the 'fertility' aspect... and because it is an image that exists in all phallocentric minds, although many force it into latency.

So - 'gay men' are bashed because they show a 'weaker' side of a phallus-obsessed culture, and expose the homophobe to truths he would rather not see.

Lesbians are not bashed (as much), because their sexuality is not perceived as 'real'.

Which present a better mental picture

Two hairy guys that are going at it, and one of them is probably fat

OR

Two skinny clean girls cuddling one another and playing with one another.

I'll take the lesbians, but that's because I'm a straight guy!

only have it out for gay men? I very rarely hear them bashing lesbians.

Because they are secretly gay, and are afraid that someone might find out. They're afraid that other gay men will see through their subterfuge.

No fear in their minds of lesbian women seeing that they are really gay.

In general - I think most of the important bases have been touched.

(So to speak).

Our 'civilisation' (huh!) is largely - even to this date - phallocentric. Thus - women are not often accorded the same status as men, and are, in fact, still often treated as property... handed from father to husband, and still 'owned' by males.

Thus - they have no sexuality OF THEIR OWN, at least, according to the phallocentric eye of society. They cannot be 'gay' because they cannot make choices.

The other aspect of our phallotheism, is that it reveres the phallus in terms of propogational ability... in terms of it's fertility 'power'. Thus - a phallus that does not INCREASE fertility, is an enemy of society... and, since men (even destructive elements) are given the societal ability to choose, 'gay' men must CHOOSE their orientation, and must choose it as an attack on our pro-phallic society.

Further to that - lesbianism titillates the phallic culture, by objectifying female sexuality for male tastes. Lesbian pornography is almost always catered to a male market (usually involving phallic representations... the 'religious icons' of the phallotheistic cult)... and female-orientated lesbian pornography is not considered nearly as 'titillating'... and so, not as attractive.

The last point is: our culture draws a fine line around 'acceptable' phallocentricity. The 'stud' is an object of reverence, the 'male hero' is an object of worship... but the phallocentric male must always stay clear of the non-productive side of phallocentricity. Atheletes kissing each other is 'manly', because it is part of the worship of the phallus. Average men kissing each other is not 'manly', because it removes the 'fertility' aspect... and because it is an image that exists in all phallocentric minds, although many force it into latency.

So - 'gay men' are bashed because they show a 'weaker' side of a phallus-obsessed culture, and expose the homophobe to truths he would rather not see.

Lesbians are not bashed (as much), because their sexuality is not perceived as 'real'.

....and do you believe that this tendancy is continuing in any considerable fashion to the next generation? It's either so deeply ingrained (I certainly would never have a phallocentric mind, although being MtF transsexual may... invalidate my view regarding that somewhat. Or would it mean I have an intensely phallocentric mind but in a negative and relatively unusual context?) But I don't percieve any female as being less in control or having less real feelings than any man, and I don't know any other man who thinks that in my current generation. So, would you say that's deeply ingrained, or something that is dieing out? I suppose, like any thing, there are in reality aspects of both points, that this viewpoint may be ingrained in the minority of my generation, or similar.

Come on out of the closet, its obvious.

If I was gay, I'd tell you.

I kinda wish I was, sure I might get picked on, but it would be sooo much easier getting laid. Girls need to start putting out like guys. And everyone needs to make sure they wear rubbers. And people with diseases shouldn't touch non-infected people... at least not on their bad parts.

Something kind of funny,

-lesbians are seen as entertainment by men, which is insulting to some
-gay clubs often lock out lesbians. Gays HATE lesbians.

Gays don't hate lesbians, but they don't wanna have to talk to some girl when they're hunting mangina.

I can't believe this thread went further beyond the first 'because lesbians are hot' reply.

Simple, meat-and-potatoes straight guys find woman-on-woman action appealing. They find male-on-male action disgusting and weird. It's existence and their possible exposure to it threatens them. Therefore, they lash out at it while not mentioning anything about the lesbians.
They tell people they are homophobic because they think being gay is immoral or some equally intangible and falsified excuse [e.g. AIDs related reasons] as they do not want to admit their fears of homosexuals. They, in their minds, realise these same reasons should apply to lesbians but refuse to mention them because they do not mind the idea of lesbianism occuring. Also, many of them feel that the existence of lesbianism will increase their chances of somehow having a threesome with two girls. Obviously these people are pathetic and deluded but that's how it is. Simple, sad and simple.

Well, I'm gay and I'm out so go ahead you can start bashing me but I've got to reply to this remark concerning gays hating lesbians.I don't personally have anything against them however the other day my boyfriend and I walked into a so called "mixed" bar, run by a lesbian but in their advertisement in a local paper it says gay boys are welcomed in too.Anyways, the management asked us to leave immediately and called the security guard before we even had our say.This would never happen in a gay bar, throwing a woman out, no matter if she's a lesbian or not.Sure thing, so called hardcore cruising or leather bars (the ones with the backrooms) have a "men only" policy but it's a different issue altogether.Also while in my city only a very few gay establishments post bouncers outside their doors, they can be seen in front of every lesbian bar and club without exception.I believe lesbians are very insecure and feel threatened by anything that has to do with male gender in general.I've even heard a lesbian dog owner say she would never have a male dog in her house!
Okay, that may be an extreme case but still many lesbians are known to be manhaters.

Another thing, in the judeo-christian theology there's not one remark to be found clearly stating that lesbianism is a sin while we all know what leviticus says concerning two men.One straight (and very religious) pal of mine told me that the only sex act bible takes into consideration is when the semen is being wasted, meaning the point of climax is reached.Since where's no semen involved in lesbian sex, the bible doesn't find it even necessary mentioning it.

Because (a lot of) men are pigs and think with the wrong head... and they're insecure.

Because (a lot of) men are pigs and think with the wrong head... and they're insecure.
NICE!

Feminist?

listen u all contradict ur selves, u say dont pick on me cos im gay, im allowade to believe what i want. then it is all right for people to hate gays, hey they are entitled to there beliefs... Vote Communist
party... or family first... eh and liberal

The l33t! It burns my eyes! Oh how it burns!!!

listen u all contradict ur selves, u say dont pick on me cos im gay, im allowade to believe what i want. then it is all right for people to hate gays, hey they are entitled to there beliefs... Vote Communist
party... or family first... eh and liberal


There is a difference between believing what you want (and yes the homophobes are entitled to that) and disciminating, promiting violence, or allowing injustices to continue.

NICE!

Feminist?

Hell yes. Actually, a lot of people are stupid, and I can see (sometimes) why men act the way that they do. It wasn't like that back in the old days before all that hippy shit started. Men treated women like ladies back then (the 50's and earlier)

Because they are f***wit bigots with no brains and less hygiene

i bash...oh wait. forget it. i dont even want to get this started.
just be content with getting mad about what you THINK i was going to say.

There was a poll on this site asking if people thought the male or female form was more beautiful; most men and women generally agreed that women are more beautiful. Is it so shocking that "gay" sex is considered hotter between two women than between two men? I doubt there are even very many straight women that want to see two guys "going at it", unless it's a m/f/m type situation.