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'If it could be shown to you through solid and persuasive evidence that God created the universe and everything in it, and continues to play a significant role in that creation, would you believe it? '

Snaffled from:http://www.foolishfaith.com/book_intro.asp

Now this (I hope) will not be a thread where we provide this evidence, I just would like you to answer this hypothetical question, If you would. Just testing a hypothesis...

I believe what is proved, so yes

If the evidence was consistent and stood up to a scientific analysis, sure.

PS: You should make a poll.

Yes

Yes, yes I would.

'If it could be shown to you through solid and persuasive evidence that God created the universe and everything in it, and continues to play a significant role in that creation, would you believe it? '


Yes, if there was solid and persuasive evidence.

I don't necessairement doubt that God exists. I just don't like religion because it has too many restrictions on life so I won't be able to enjoy it to the fullest.

If the proof withstands scientific analysis, sure.

If the proof withstands scientific analysis, sure.
What he said.

(Not that I'd necessarily worship that god. Anyone who's a big enough asshole to give humans an appendix doesn't deserve to be worshipped.)

If it's solid evidence, I'd believe it. I don't disbelieve it now, I just don't believe it's the Christian deity who could have done it, nor that creation neccessarily begets respect.

'If it could be shown to you through solid and persuasive evidence that God created the universe and everything in it, and continues to play a significant role in that creation, would you believe it? '

Snaffled from:http://www.foolishfaith.com/book_intro.asp

Now this (I hope) will not be a thread where we provide this evidence, I just would like you to answer this hypothetical question, If you would. Just testing a hypothesis...

Believe yes. Worship said God, no.

(Not that I'd necessarily worship that god.

Sure, that follows... :confused: Do you mind expanding that for me?

but what is a life of 50-100 years of enjoyment when you have an eternity of joy if you follow Him and His rules?

(don't mean to be an ass... just philosophically speaking)

Believe yes. Worship said God, no.
That pretty much sums my answer up.

Sure, that follows... :confused: Do you mind expanding that for me?
Nice selective quoting.

I don't worship assholes. Anyone who would give humans an appendix is an asshole.

but what is a life of 50-100 years of enjoyment when you have an eternity of joy if you follow Him and His rules?

(don't mean to be an ass... just philosophically speaking)
Life is something that I can be certain of right now. Even after I die, if I were to be in paradise, would all the restrictions that were in life be off? Is sex an option in heaven?

gah, im going to sound like a damned sheep here...

If it is actual proof, then like it or no, id have to accept it.

and, as said above, just because a diety exists does not mean i will worship said diety.

Also, I am fairly certain that what you and I consider 'proof' are far different things....

Now this (I hope) will not be a thread where we provide this evidence, I just would like you to answer this hypothetical question,

Stupid error message... (ignore this bit)

Sure, that follows... :confused: Do you mind expanding that for me?

Allow me to field this one. If God really did create and control all around us, replete with giant killer tsunamis, debilitating plagues, catastrophic earthquakes, destructive volcanos, brutal storms, destructive tornados, etc., etc., then he is a petty, cruel, spiteful bastard of a God and certainly does not deserve any of our worship.

but what is a life of 50-100 years of enjoyment when you have an eternity of joy if you follow Him and His rules?

(don't mean to be an ass... just philosophically speaking)
Ah! You see, even if it can be proven that there is a god, there still remains the problem of what sort of god it is. Is it the god from the Bible? Or a Hindu god? Or a totally different kind of god? Does it have any rules? Does it care about humans? Did it create the universe by design or was it some kind of accident?

I'm not trying to be an ass either, but this are questions worth pondering about too.

but what is a life of 50-100 years of enjoyment when you have an eternity of joy if you follow Him and His rules?

(don't mean to be an ass... just philosophically speaking)

What if it's a She? You'e just spent your entire life worshipping and devoting your life to this God, just to find out you've been insulting Her this whole time by assuming She was a He.

Nice selective quoting.

I don't worship assholes. Anyone who would give humans an appendix is an asshole.

I only quote the bit I'm replying to, cos 1) it's less confusing and 2) I hate trawling through a huge quote to find it's a tiny bit in the middle that's been replyed too. If you prefer, I shall quote the whole thing, but really, is it that hard to find where it is originally?

Wow, your reasoning is great, ever heard of fallen world, and humans being imperfect? Anyway, I'll stop going off topic, not really a good example to set on your own thread...

I dont think that it would ever happen that humanity would be provided proof that God really exsists. Because with proof of one religion being correct, all bets are off.
And there is a difference between believing and knowing. When you know something to be true, you are going to act differently than if you just believe. So in a way, you are being coerced into belief of one God, which in effect would violate free will, God's gift to man.

Allow me to field this one. If God really did create and control all around us, replete with giant killer tsunamis, debilitating plagues, catastrophic earthquakes, destructive volcanos, brutal storms, destructive tornados, etc., etc., then he is a petty, cruel, spiteful bastard of a God and certainly does not deserve any of our worship.

Thank you. Now that is a reason. However it is also one I can answer, but not now or on this thread.

What if it's a She? You'e just spent your entire life worshipping and devoting your life to this God, just to find out you've been insulting Her this whole time by assuming She was a He.

lol, If it's the Christian God, it's a he (or both) but not a she on it's own.

Obviously, I would believe.
If it's conclusive proof, it would be a tad on the idiotic side to not believe it.

I dont think that it would ever happen that humanity would be provided proof that God really exsists. Because with proof of one religion being correct, all bets are off.
And there is a difference between believing and knowing. When you know something to be true, you are going to act differently than if you just believe. So in a way, you are being coerced into belief of one God, which in effect would violate free will, God's gift to man.

Yes God can't be either proved or disproved, however if this did occur, what would you do?

Wow, your reasoning is great, ever heard of fallen world, and humans being imperfect? Anyway, I'll stop going off topic, not really a good example to set on your own thread...
So, it's the human's fault that we have an appendix, even though in your situation God created everything? Anyone who puts an appendix in a human is either a total fucking dumbass or an asshole.

lol, If it's the Christian God, it's a he (or both) but not a she on it's own.

That's another thing. We don't know it'll be the Christian God. Maybe the Hindus have it right, or the Jews. Or maybe ancient pagans had it right, and there's multiple Gods. Or, even better, maybe none of us have been worshipping God properly. Maybe the true God was worshipped by some random village in Mesopotamia that was wiped out by Sargon the Great 5000 years ago, and every single person since then has been going to hell for worshipping the wrong God.

Life is something that I can be certain of right now. Even after I die, if I were to be in paradise, would all the restrictions that were in life be off? Is sex an option in heaven?

the Bible explains heaven as a place of great rejoicing... and hell as a place where people spend their time gnashing their teeth (bible's description).

So, it's the human's fault that we have an appendix, even though in your situation God created everything? Anyone who puts an appendix in a human is either a total fucking dumbass or an asshole.

I think the argument is that God created the original factory model, Man 1.0, way back when, and then let us go on about our business. And in the millions of years of evolution, we've been upgraded to Man XP, but some of the older, obsolete pieces of hardware from Man 1.0 haven't been removed from the code yet.

Obviously, I would believe.
If it's conclusive proof, it would be a tad on the idiotic side to not believe it.

you never know, some people might be so stuck in their beliefs that they refuse to.

That's another thing. We don't know it'll be the Christian God. Maybe the Hindus have it right, or the Jews. Or maybe ancient pagans had it right, and there's multiple Gods. Or, even better, maybe none of us have been worshipping God properly. Maybe the true God was worshipped by some random village in Mesopotamia that was wiped out by Sargon the Great 5000 years ago, and every single person since then has been going to hell for worshipping the wrong God.
If all the teachings were lost, don't you think it would have been a good time for this God to send down a new prophet to preach it again?

yeah prolly. if i ever got done procrastinating about it. :rolleyes:

You have got to be kidding me. You do realize of course that the Jews and Christians worship the same God. (Jesus was a Jew)

I meant perhaps the Jews are worshipping him the right way. Maybe Jesus wasn't his son, and he's really, really pissed at all us Christians for thinking he was.

If all the teachings were lost, don't you think it would have been a good time for this God to send down a new prophet to preach it again?

Maybe he's bitter about that bastard Sargon and has decided to let the rest of us suffer as a result.

you never know, some people might be so stuck in their beliefs that they refuse to.
Come on, people wouldnt be fooled by silly beliefs when there is logic staring them in the eye. ;)

Maybe he's bitter about that bastard Sargon and has decided to let the rest of us suffer as a result.
Hah, je considere s'Il a la haine vers des humains maintenant..

Hah, je considere s'Il a la haine vers des humains maintenant..

Five years of French in school and I barely understand that sentence.

Five years of French in school and I barely understand that sentence.
It's not a very hard language but I was born in France...

Believe yes. Worship said God, no.Likewise.

Obviously, I would believe.
If it's conclusive proof, it would be a tad on the idiotic side to not believe it.
Agreed.

It's not a very hard language but I was born in France...

I was more commenting on how crappy the education must have been if I could have forgotten it so easily.

'If it could be shown to you through solid and persuasive evidence that God created the universe and everything in it, and continues to play a significant role in that creation, would you believe it? '

Snaffled from:http://www.foolishfaith.com/book_intro.asp

Now this (I hope) will not be a thread where we provide this evidence, I just would like you to answer this hypothetical question, If you would. Just testing a hypothesis...
if i was shown thorugh solid and persuasive evidence that the universe had an intelligent creator i would belive it but it would not lead me to anything but the belief that there was an intelligent creator of the universe.

I was more commenting on how crappy the education must have been if I could have forgotten it so easily.
I struggled through English for a long time but I finished pretty well.

In the very unlikely situation where God could concretely be proven to exist without any holes, then yes, of course I would believe. I won't go against facts.

I don't believe it could be done, however. People have been trying for centuries and still haven't succeeded.

And then: what God would it be?

I've had my own little thing about this. A friend and I had our own little joke-blasphemy by saying we were God. Rather he was God, as in the Christian God, but I was what I called GOD. That is any possibility of belief or idea including, but not limited to, and diety or force. That is to say The All. A pretty all-consuming idea.

*shrug*

I struggled through English for a long time but I finished pretty well.
I still struggle with it, and it's my first language!
:D

'If it could be shown to you through solid and persuasive evidence that God created the universe and everything in it, and continues to play a significant role in that creation, would you believe it? '

Snaffled from:http://www.foolishfaith.com/book_intro.asp

Now this (I hope) will not be a thread where we provide this evidence, I just would like you to answer this hypothetical question, If you would. Just testing a hypothesis...

Yeah i suppose.

A question for you: If it could be proved that there is no god and the universe was created without a deity's help, would you beleive it?

I thought the link was excellent (especially the argument against evolution) but I still don't believe in God. Or rather, I agree with the statement that he- she- (it?) is a real bastard. "People are imperfect" is a great excuse for believers. And people aren't just imperfect... we've been known to rape, mutilate, torture, and massacre each other over things like the color of the skin or who owns what little patch of desert.

Plus, it's damned inconvenient to not have premarital sex.

I skimmed the book that was linked to. I want my 10 minutes back.

'If it could be shown to you through solid and persuasive evidence that God created the universe and everything in it, and continues to play a significant role in that creation, would you believe it? '


i would, if it were that something could be proven. but that nothing can be proven then i wouldn't, for nothing exists already.

http://www.foolishfaith.com/book_intro.asp


What a shoddily written diatribe. Honestly, how can people be convinced by this stuff? The authors have little grasp of how evolution even works, and their summaries of the major religions are painful.

What a shoddily written diatribe. Honestly, how can people be convinced by this stuff? The authors have little grasp of how evolution even works, and their summaries of the major religions are painful.

Didn't read most of it, only posted the link cos I was giving credit for their words. Have no idea what it says...

A question for you: If it could be proved that there is no god and the universe was created without a deity's help, would you beleive it?
If the evidence, was solid, unbiased, untwisted....and you could explain away the reasons I believe, yes

BUT

1) No one is unbiased
2) God can't be proved/disproved
3) And that is why it was a hypothetical question and why I shan't be joining the 'other' side anytime soon.

And then: what God would it be?


I would have thought that by proving this God exists, we would know which God it is.


I've had my own little thing about this. A friend and I had our own little joke-blasphemy by saying we were God. Rather he was God, as in the Christian God, but I was what I called GOD. That is any possibility of belief or idea including, but not limited to, and diety or force. That is to say The All. A pretty all-consuming idea.


How can you have all the God's if Islam and Christianity don't agree,

either
1) Christianity is right, No other Gods but the Christian one
2)Islam is right, No other Gods but Allah (the Muslim one)
3) Both are wrong, Amount of gods = All -2 through to 0

I think the argument is that God created the original factory model, Man 1.0, way back when, and then let us go on about our business. And in the millions of years of evolution, we've been upgraded to Man XP, but some of the older, obsolete pieces of hardware from Man 1.0 haven't been removed from the code yet.

Shame I'm not a theistic evolutionist, that would be a great argument.

Depends on the evidence, If u hand me a bible and say the answer is inside, no. if u can show me the actual second that god created everything, maybe. but unlike most other people, i dont rule out other religions just because they aren't mine, and you are. we have free will for a reason. and btw, i'm agnostic not athiest.