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With apologies to the original author to whom I will give credit later, I wanted to see what NSers think of the following hypothetical. Although you may be able to Google some information about the hypothetical, it would be better if you did not.

THE ENTIRE STORY IS SPREAD OUT IN 16 POSTS -- You don't need to read them to vote, but you might want to skim them

I'm going to start the scenario here. Please feel free to discuss and to ask questions. I will reveal more information as things go along or in response to questions. Nothing I reveal should change the original boundaries of the scenario -- but more give rise to considerations about the scenario that may not have been raised. By the way, some may find this story an interesting read regardless. (I am well aware the story contains some conservative bashing and some may feel it is unfair to whites. Feel free to complain. But it will be most interesting if you consider the hypothetical.)

The Space Trader's Solution

1 January
The first surprise was not their arrival. The radio messages had begun weeks before, announcing that one thousand ships from a star far out in space would land on 1 January 2000, in harbors along the Atlantic coast from Cape Cod to North Carolina. Well before dawn on that day, millions of people across North America had wakened early to witness the moment the ships entered the earth’s atmosphere. However expected, to the watchers, children of the electronic age, the space ships approach was as awesome as had been that earlier one, over five hundred years before, of three small ships to the Indians of the island of Santo Domingo in the Caribbean.

No, the first surprise was the ships themselves. The people who lined the beaches of Cape Code where the first ships were scheduled to arrive, saw not anything NASA might have dreamed up, but huge vessels, the size of an aircraft carrier, which the old men in the crowd recognized as being pretty much like the box-shaped landing craft that carried Allied troops to the Normandy beachheads during the Second World War.

As the sun rose on that cold bright morning, the people on the shore, including an anxious delegation of government officials and media reporters, witnessed a fantastic display of eerie lights and strange sound—evidently the visitors’ salute to their American hosts. Almost unnoticed during the spectacle, the bows of the leading ship slowly lowered. A sizable party of the visitors—the first beings from outer space anyone on Earth had ever seen—emerged and began moving majestically across the water toward shore. The shock of seeing these beings, regal in appearance and bearing, literally walking on the waves was more thrilling than frightening. At least, no one panicked.

Then came the second surprise. The leaders of this vast armada could speak English. Moreover, they spoke in the familiar comforting tones of former President Reagan, having dubbed his recorded voice into a computerized language-translation system. After the initial greetings, the leader of the U.S. delegation opened his mouth to read his welcom-ing speech—only the first of several speeches scheduled to be given on this historic occasion by the leaders of both political parties and other eminent citizens, including—of course— stars of the entertainment and sports worlds. But before he could begin, the principal spokesperson for the space people (and it wasn’t possible to know whether it was man or woman or something else entirely) raised a hand and spoke crisply, and to the point.

And this point constituted the third surprise. Those mammoth vessels carried within their holds treasure of which the United States was in most desperate need: gold, to bail out the almost bankrupt federal, state, and local governments; special chemicals capable of unpolluting the environment, which was becoming daily more toxic, and restoring it to the pristine state it had been before Western explorers set foot on it; and a totally safe nuclear engine and fuel, to relieve the nation’s all-but-depleted supply of fossil fuel. In return, the visitors wanted only one thing—and that was to take back to their home star all the African Americans who lived in the United States.

The jaws of everyone of the welcoming officials dropped, not a word of the many speeches they had prepared suitable for the occasion. As the Americans stood in stupefied silence, the visitors’ leader emphasized that the proposed trade was the Americans freely to accept or not, that no force would be used. Neither then nor subsequently did the leader or any other of the visitors, whom anchorpersons on that evening’s news shows immediately labeled the “Space Traders,” reveal why they wanted only black people or what plans they had for them should the United States be prepared to part with that or any other group of its citizens. The leader only reiterated to his still dumbfounded audience that, in exchange for the treasure they had brought, they wanted to take away every American citizen categorized as black on birth certificate or other official identification. The Space Traders said they would wait sixteen days for a response to their offer. That is, on 17 January—the day when in that year the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., was to be observed—they would depart carrying with them every black man, woman, and child in the nation and leave behind untold treasure. Otherwise...the Space Traders’ leader shrugged and glanced around—at the oil slick in the water, at the dead gulls on the beach, at the thick shadow of smog stretching south and east from Boston. Then the visitors turned and glided back over the waves to their ships.

Their departure galvanized everyone—the delegation, the watchers on the beach, the President glued to his television screen in the White House, and citizens black and white throughout the country. The President, who had been advised to stay in the White House out of concern for his security, called Congress into special session and scheduled a cabinet meeting for the next morning. Governors recon-vened any state legislatures not already in session. The phones of members of Congress began ringing, as soon as the millions of people viewing the Space Traders’ offer on television saw them move back across the water, and never stopped till the morning of 17 January.

There was a definite split in the nature of the calls—a split that reflected distinctly different perceptions of the Space Traders. Most white people were, like the welcoming delegation that morning, relieved and pleased to find the visitors from outer space unthreatening. They were not human, obviously, but resembled the super human, good-guy characters in comic books; indeed, they seemed to be practical, no-nonsense folks like regular Americans.

On the other hand many American blacks—whether watching from the shore or on their television screens—had seen the visitors as distinctly unpleasant, even menacing in appearance. While their perceptions of the visitors differed, black people all agreed that the Space Traders looked like bad news—and their trade offer certainly was—and burned up the phone lines urging black leaders to take action against it.

But whites, long conditioned to discounting any statements of blacks unconfirmed by other whites, chose now, of course, to follow their own perceptions. “Will the blacks never be free of their silly superstitions?” whites asked one another with condescending smiles. “Here, in this truly historic moment, when America has been selected as the site for this planet’s first contact with people from another world, the blacks just revert to their primitive fear and foolishness.” Thus, the blacks’ outrage was discounted in this crisis; they had, as usual, no credibility.

And it was a time of crisis. Not only because of the Space Traders’ offer per se, but because that offer came when the country was in dire straits. Decades of conservative, laissez-faire capitalism had emptied the coffers of all but a few of the very rich. The nation that had, in the quarter-century after the Second World War, funded the reconstruction of the free world had, in the next quarter-century, given itself over to greed and willful exploitation of its natural resources. Now, it was struggling to survive like any third-world nation. Massive debt had curtailed all but the most necessary services. The environment was in shambles as reflected by the fact that the sick and elderly had to wear special masks whenever they ventured out-of-doors. In addition, supplies of crude oil and coal were almost exhausted. The Space Traders’ offer had come just in time to rescue America. Though few gave voice to their thoughts, many were thinking that the trade offer was, indeed, the ultimate solution to the nation’s troubles.


(Again, I will reveal more of the story as we go along. You can ask questions. This could be an interesting discussion -- IMAO!)

I would vote for the trade, and America would too.

If it was for anybody other than me, I would vote for the trade. As soon as I'm included in the trade, my vote goes against it.

Of course, to me, this brings up an interesting point.

If America accepted the trade, then would that not prove that we are still those same people that destroyed the environment, built up a massive debt, etc. and that even with the right technology, we might not be able to fix ourselves?

And if America didn't accept the trade, wouldn't it prove that we are good people, but doomed to the life we created?

Two notes: the story is a bit dated (1990s) and I will be trying to edit to keep shorter. The first two bits are the longest.

2 January.
The insomnia that kept the American people tossing and turning that first night of the new century did not spare the White House. As soon as the President heard the space visitors’ post-arrival proposition on television, his political instincts immediately locked into place. This was big. And it looked from the outset like a “no win” situation—not a happy crisis at the start of an election year. Even so, he had framed the outline of his plan by the time his cabinet members gathered at 8 o’clock the next morning.

...
At least a third of the flood of phone calls and faxes urging quick acceptance of the offer expressed the view that what the nation would give up—its African-American citizens—was as worthwhile as what it would receive. The statements accurately reflected relations at the dawn of the new century. The President had, like his predecessors for the last generation, successfully exploited racial fears and hostility in his election campaign. There had been complaints, of course, but those from his political opponents sounded like sour grapes. They, too, had tried to minimize the input of blacks so as not to frighten away white voters.

The race problem had worsened greatly in the 1990s. A relatively small number of blacks had survived the retrogression of civil rights protection, perhaps 20 percent having managed to make good in the increasingly technologically oriented society. But, without anyone acknowledging it and with hardly a peep from the press, more than one half of the group had become outcasts. They were confined to former inner-city areas that had been divorced from their political boundaries.

High walls surrounded these areas, and armed guards controlled entrance and exit around the clock. Still, despite all precautions, young blacks escaped from time to time to terrorize whites. The dream that this black underclass would ever “overcome,” was long dead.

He had asked Gleason Golightly, the conservative black economics professor, to attend the meeting. Golightly was his unofficial black cabinet member. He was highly intelligent and seemed to be truly conservative, not a man ready to sing any political tune for a price. His mere presence as a person of color at this crucial session would neutralize any possible critics in the media, though not in the black, civil rights community.

The cabinet meeting came to order.

“I think we all know the situation,” the President said. “Those extraterrestrial beings are carrying in their ships a guarantee that America will conquer its present problems and prosper for at least all of this new century.”

“I would venture, Sir,” the Vice-President noted, “that the balance of your Term will be known as ‘America’s Golden Age.’ Indeed, the era will almost certainly extend to the terms of your successor.”

“The President smiled at the remark and, on cue, so did the cabinet. “The VP is right, of course,” the President said. “Our visitors from outer space are offering us the chance to correct the excesses of several generations. Furthermore, many of the men and women—voters all—who are bombarding us with phone calls see an added bonus in the Space Traders’ offer.” He looked around at his attentive cabinet members. “They are offering not only a solution to our nation’s present problems but also one—surely an ultimate one—to what might be called the great American racial experiment. That’s the real issue before us today. Does the promise of restored prosperity justify our sending away fifteen percent of our citizens to Lord knows what fate?”

“There are pluses and minuses to this ‘fate’ issue, Mr. President.” Helen Hipmeyer, Secretary of Health and Human Services, usually remained silent at Cabinet meetings. Her speaking up now caused raised eyebrows around the table. “A large percentage of Blacks rely on welfare and other social services. Their departure would ease substantially the burden on our state and national budgets. Why, the cost of caring for black AIDS victims alone has been extraordinary. On the other hand, the consternation and guilt among many whites if the blacks are sent away would take a severe psychological toll with medical and other costs that might also reach astronomical levels. To gain the benefits we are discussing, without serious side effects, we must have more justification than I have heard thus far.”

“Good point, Madame Secretary,” the President answered, “but there are risks at every opportunity.”

“I’ve never considered myself a particularly courageous individual, Mr. President.” It was the Secretary of the Interior, a man small in stature but with a mind both sharp and devious. He had presided over the logging of the last of the old-growth timber in the nation’s national forests. “But if I could guarantee prosperity for this great country by giving my life or going off with the Space Traders, I would do it without hesitation. And, if I would do it, I think every red-blooded American with an ounce of patriotism would as well.” The Secretary sat down to the warm applause of his colleagues.

His suggestion kindled a thought in the Secretary of Defense. “Mr. President, the secretary’s courage is not unlike that American men and women have exhibited when called to military service. Some go more willingly than others, but almost all go even with the knowledge that they may not come back. It is a call a country makes on the assumption that its citizens will respond. I think that is the situation we have here except that instead of just young men and women, the country needs all of its citizens of African descent to step forward and serve.” More applause greeted this suggestion.

The Attorney General asked for and got the floor. “Mr. President, I think we could put together a legislative package modeled on the Selective Service Act of 1918. Courts have uniformly upheld this statute and its predecessors as being well within congressional power to exact enforced military duty at home or abroad by United States citizens. While I don’t see any constitutional problems, there would likely be quite a debate in Congress. But if the mail they are receiving is anything like ours, then the pressure for passage will be enormous.”

The President and the cabinet members heard reports from agents who had checked out samples of the gold, chemicals, and machinery the Space Traders had brought. More tests would be run in the next few days, but first indications were that the gold was genuine, and that the antipollution chemicals and the nuclear fuel machine were safe and worked. Everyone recognized that the benefits to the country would be enormous. The ability to erase the country’s debt alone would ease the economic chaos that the Federal Reserve had staved off during the last few years only by its drastic—the opposition party called it “unscrupulous”—manipulation of the money supply. The Secretary of the Treasury confirmed that the Space Traders’ gold would solve the nation’s economic problems for decades to come.

“What are your thoughts on all this, Professor Golightly?” asked the President, nodding at the scholarly looking black man sitting far down the table. The President realized that there would be a lot more opposition to a selective service plan among ordinary citizens than among the members of his cabinet, and hoped Golightly would have some ideas for getting around it.

Golightly began as though he understood the kind of answer the President wanted:
“As you know, Mr. President, I have supported this administration’s policies that have led to the repeal of some civil rights laws, to invalidation of most affirmative action programs, and to severe reduction in appropriations for public assistance. To put it mildly, the positions of mine that have received a great deal of media attention, have not been well received in African-American communities. Even so, I have been willing to be a ‘good soldier’ for the Party even though I am condemned as an Uncle Tom by my people. I sincerely believe that black people needed to stand up on their own feet, free of special protection provided by civil rights laws, the suffocating burden of welfare checks, and the stigmatizing influence of affirmative action programs. In helping you undermine these policies, I realized that your reasons for doing so differed from mine. And yet I went along.”

Golightly stopped. He reached down for his coffee mug, took a few sips, and ran his fingers through his graying but relatively straight (what some black people call “good”) hair. “Mr. President, my record of support entitles me to be heard on the Space Traders’s proposition. I disagree strongly with both the Secretary of the Interior and the Attorney General. What they are proposing is not universal selective service for blacks. It is group banishment, a most severe penalty and one that the Attorney General would impose without benefit of either due process or judicial review.

“It is a mark of just how far out of the mainstream black people are that this proposition is given any serious consideration. Were the Space Traders attracted by and asking to trade any other group, white women with red hair and green eyes, for example, a horrified public would order the visitors off the planet without a moment’s hesitation. The revulsion would not be less because the number of persons with those physical characteristics are surely fewer than the 20 million black citizens you are ready to condemn to intergalactic exile.

“Mr. President, I cannot be objective on this proposal. I will match my patriotism, including readiness to give my life for my country, with that of the Secretary of the Interior. But my duty stops short of condemning my wife, my three children, my grandchildren, and my aged mother to an unknown fate. You simply cannot condemn 20 million people because they are black, and thus fit fodder for trade, so that this country can pay its debts, protect its environment, and ensure its energy supply. I am not ready to recommend such a sacrifice. Moreover, I doubt whether the Secretary of the Interior would willingly offer up his family and friends if the Space Traders sought them instead of me and mine.” He paused.

“Professor Golightly,” the Secretary of the Interior said, leaning forward. “The President asked you a specific question. This is not the time to debate which of us is the more patriotic or to engage in the details of the sacrifice that is a necessary component of any service for one’s country.”

Golightly chose to ignore the interruption. He knew, and the President knew, that his support—or, at least, his silent acquiescence—would be critical in winning undecided whites over to the selective service scheme. For their purposes, the President’s media people had made Golightly an important voice on racial policy issues. They needed him now as never before.

“Mr. President,” he continued, “you and your cabinet must place this offer in historical perspective. This is far from the first time this country’s leaders have considered and rejected the removal of all those here of African descent. Benjamin Franklin and other abolitionists actively sought schemes to free the slaves and return them to their homeland. Lincoln examined and supported emigration programs both before and after he freed the slaves. Even those Radical Republicans who drafted the Civil War amendments wondered whether Africans could ever become a part of the national scene, a part of the American people.

“As early as 1866, Michigan’s Senator Jacob Merritt Howard, an abolitionist and key architect of the Fourteenth Amendment, recognized the nation’s need to confront the challenge posed by the presence of the former slaves, and spoke out on it, saying:
For weal or for woe, the destiny of the colored race in this country is wrapped up with our own; they are to remain in our midst, and here spend their years and here bury their fathers and finally repose themselves. We may regret it. It may not be entirely com-patible with our taste that they should live in our midst. We cannot help it. Our forefathers introduced them, and their destiny is to continue among us; and the practical question which now presents itself to us is as to the best mode of getting along with them.

“Now, Mr. President, after receiving your invitation to this meeting, I had no difficulty to guess its agenda or predicting how many of you might come down in favor of accepting the Space Traders’ offer, and so I looked up Senator Howard’s speech and have prepared copies of it for each of you. I recommend you study it.”

Golightly personally walked around the large table distributing copies of the speech. As he did so, he pointed out: “The Senator’s words are grudging rather than generous, conciliatory rather than crusading. He proposed sanctuary rather than equality for blacks. And though there have been periods in which their striving for full equality seem to have brought them close to their goal, sanctuary remains the more accurate description of black citizenship.

Returning to his place, Golightly continued. “This status has provided this nation an essential stability, one you sacrifice at your peril. With all due respect, Mr. President, acceptance of the Space Traders’ solution will not bring a century of prosperity to this country. Secretary Hipmeyer is correct. What today seems to you a solution from Heaven will instead herald a decade of shame and dissension mirroring the moral conflicts that precipitated this nation into its most bloody conflict, the Civil War. The deep, self-inflicted wounds of that era have never really healed. Their reopening will inevitably lead to confronta-tions and strife that could cause the eventual dissolution of the nation.”

“You seem to assume, Professor Golightly,” the Secretary of the Interior interrupted again, “that the Space Traders want African Americans for some heinous purpose. Why do you ignore alternative scenarios? They are obviously aware of your people’s plight here. Perhaps they have selected them to inhabit an interplanetary version of the Biblical land of milk and honey. Or, more seriously” the Secretary said, “they may offer your people a new start in a less competitive environment, or”—he added, with a slight smirk in the President’s direction—”perhaps they are going to give your people that training in skills and work discipline you are always urging on them.” No one actually laughed, but all except Golightly thought the Secretary’s comment an excellent response to the black professor’s gloomy predictions.

“I think we get your point, Professor,” the President replied smoothly, concerned not to alienate a man whose support he would need. “We will give it weight in our considerations. Now,” he said, rising, “we need to get to work on this thing. We don’t have much time.” He asked the Attorney General to draw up a rough draft of the proposed legislation by the end of the day, and told the rest of his cabinet that his aides would shortly be bringing them specific assignments. “Now let’s all of us be sure to keep to ourselves what was said at this meeting”—and he glanced meaningfully at Professor Golightly. “Well, that’s it for now, people. Meeting adjourned.”

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Long after the others had departed, Gleason Golightly sat at the long conference table. His hands were folded. He stared at the wall. He had always prided himself as the “man on the inside.” While speaking in support of conservative policies, those were—he knew—policies for which there was adequate support to place in effect. As a black man, his support legitimated those policies and salved the consciences of the whites who proposed and implemented them. A small price to pay, Golightly had always rationalized, for the many behind-the-scenes favors he received. The favors were not for himself. Golightly, a full professor at a small but well-endowed college, neither wanted nor needed what he called “blood money.” Rather, he saw that black colleges got much-needed funding; and through his efforts, certain black officials received appointments or key promotions. He smiled wryly when some of these officials criticized his conservative positions and called him “Uncle Tom.” He could bear that, knowing he made a contribution few others were able—or willing—to make to the racial cause.

Booker T. Washington was his hero and had been since he was a child growing up in a middle-class family in Alabama, not far from Tuskegee, the home of Tuskegee Institute, which Washington had founded in 1881. He had modeled his career on old Booker T, and while he did not have a following and had created no institutions, Golightly knew he had done more for black people than had a dozen of the loud-mouthed leaders who, he felt, talked much and produced little. But all of his life, he had dreamed of there coming a moment when his position as insider would enable him to perform some heroic act to both save his people great grief and earn for him the recognition and the love for which, despite his frequent denials, he knew he yearned.

Now, as he sat alone, he feared that this morning’s meeting was that big chance, and he had failed. The stakes, of course, were larger than he would have ever imagined they might be, and yet he thought he’d had the arguments. In retrospect, though, those arguments were based on morality and assumed a willingness on the part of the President and the cabinet to be fair, or at least to balance the benefits of the trade against the sacrifice it would require of a selected portion of the American people. Instead of outsmarting them, Golightly had done what he so frequently criticized civil rights spokespersons for doing: he had tried to get whites to do right by black people because it was right that they do so. “Crazy!” he commented when civil rights people did it. “Crazy!” he mumbled to himself, at himself.

“Oh, Golightly, glad you’re still here. I want a word with you.” Golightly looked up. The Secretary of the Interior, at his most unctuous, eased himself into the seat beside him.

“Listen, old man, sorry about our differences at the meeting. I understand your concerns.”

Golightly did not look at the man and, indeed, kept his eyes on the wall throughout their conversation. “What do you want, Mr. Secretary?”

The Secretary ignored Golightly’s coldness. “You could tell in the meeting and from the media reports that this Trade thing is big, very big. There will be debate—as there should be in a great, free country like ours. But if I were a betting man, which I am not because of my religious beliefs, I would wager that this offer will be approved.”

“I assume, Mr. Secretary, that to further the best interests of this great, free country of ours, you will be praying that the Trade is approved.” Golightly’s deep voice deepened ironically on the crucial words.

The Secretary’s smile faded, and his eyes narrowed. “The President wants you to say whatever you can in favor of this plan.”

“Why don’t we simply follow your suggestion, Mr. Secretary, and tell everyone that the Space Traders are going to take the blacks to a land of milk and honey?”

The Secretary’s voice hardened. “I don’t think even black people are that stupid. No, Gleason, talk about patriotism, about the readiness of black people to make sacrifices for this country, about how they are really worthy citizens no matter what some may think. We’ll leave the wording to you. Isn’t sacrifice as proof of patriotism what your Frederick Douglass argued to get President Lincoln to open up the Union army to black enlistees?”

“And then?” Golightly asked, his eyes never moving from the wall.

“We know some blacks will escape. I understand some are leaving the country already. But, and the Secretary’s voice was smooth as butter—if you go along with the program, Gleason, and the Trade is approved, the President says he will see to it that one hundred black families are smuggled out of the country. You decide who they are. They’ll include you and yours, of course.”

Golightly said nothing.

After a moment of hesitation, the Secretary got up and strode to the door. Before leaving, he turned and said, “Think about it, Golightly. It’s the kind of deal we think you should go for.”

3 January.
The Anti-Trade Coalition, a gathering of black and liberal white politicians, civil rights representatives, and progressive academics, quickly assembled early that morning. Working nonstop and driven by anxiety to cooperate more than they ever had in the past, the members of the coalition drafted a series of legal and political steps designed to organize opposition to the Space Traders’ offer. Constitutional challenges to any acceptance scheme were high on the list of opposition strategies. Bills opposing the Trade were drafted for early introduction in Congress. There were plans for direct action protests and boycotts. Finally, in the event that worse came to worst, and the administration decided to carry out what gathering participants were calling the “African-American kidnaping plot,” a secret committee was selected to draft and distribute plans for massive disobedience.

Now, at close to midnight, the plenary session was ready to give final approval to this broad program of resistance.

At that moment, Professor Gleason Golightly sought the floor to propose an alternative response to the Trade offer. Golightly’s close connection to the conservative administration and active support of its anti-black views made him far from a hero to most blacks. Many viewed his appearance at this critical hour as an administration-sponsored effort to undermine the coalition’s defensive plans and tactics. At last, though, he prevailed on the conference leaders to grant him five minutes.

As he moved toward the podium, there was a wave of hostile murmuring whose justification, Golightly acknowledged: “I am well aware that political and ideological differences have for several years sustained a wide chasm between us. But the events of two days ago have transformed our disputes into a painful reminder of our shared status. I am here because, whatever our ideological differences or our socio-economic positions, we all know that black rights, black interests, black property, even black lives are expendable whenever their sacrifice will further or sustain white needs or preferences.”

Hearing Golightly admitting to truths he had long denied, served to silence the murmuring. “It has become an unwritten tradition in this country for whites to sacrifice our rights to further their own interests. This tradition overshadows the national debate about the Space Traders’ offer and may well foretell our reply to it.”

Seemingly ignoring the whites in the audience, Golightly said, “I realize that our liberal white friends continue to reassure us. ‘This is America,’ they tell us. ‘It can’t happen here.’ But I have noticed that those whites who are most vigorous in their assurances are least able to rebut the contrary teaching of both historic fact and present reality. Outside civil rights gatherings like this, the masses of black people—those you claim to represent but to whom you seldom listen—are mostly resigned to the nation’s acceptance of the Space Traders’ offer. For them, liberal optimism is smothered by their life experience.

“Black people know for a fact what you, their leaders, fear to face. Black people know your plans for legislation, litigation, and protest cannot prevail against the tradition of sacrificing black rights. Indeed, your efforts will simply add a veneer of face-saving uncertainty to a debate whose outcome is not only predictable, but inevitable. Flying in the face of our history, you are still relying on the assumption that whites really want to grant justice to blacks, really want to alleviate onerous racial conditions.”

“Professor Golightly,” the chairman interrupted, “the time we have allotted you has almost expired. The delegates here are weary and anxious to return to their homes so that they can assist their families through this crisis. The defense plans we have formulated are our best effort. Sir, if you have a better way, let us hear it now.”

He nodded. “I promised to be brief, and I will. Although you have labored here unselfishly to devise a defense against what is surely the most dangerous threat to our survival since our forebears were kidnaped from Africa’s shores. I think I have a better way, and I urge you to hear it objectively and without regard to our past differences. The question is how best to counter an offer that about a third of the voters would support even if the Space Traders offered America nothing at all. Another third may vacillate, but we both know that in the end they will simply not be able to pass up a good deal. The only way we can deflect, and perhaps reverse a process that is virtually certain to result in approval of the Space Traders’ offer, is to give up the oppositional stance you are about to adopt, and forthrightly urge the country to accept the Space Traders’ offer.”

He paused, looking out over the sea of faces. Then there was a clamor of outraged cries: “Sell-out!” “Traitor!” and “Ultimate Uncle Tom!” The chairman banged his gavel in an effort to restore order.

Seemingly unmoved by the outburst, Golightly waited until the audience quieted, then continued. “A major, perhaps the principal, motivation for racism in this country is the deeply held belief that black people should not have anything that white people don’t have. Not only do whites insist on better jobs, higher incomes, better schools and neighborhoods, better everything, but they also usurp aspects of our culture that have sprung from our very subordination. They have taken our song and gone, to paraphrase Langston Hughes. Whites exploit not only our music but our dance, language patterns, dress and hair styles as well. Even the badge of our inferior status, our color, is not sacro-sanct, whites spending billions a year to emulate our skin tones, paradoxically, as a sign of their higher status. So whites’ appropriation of what is ours and their general acquisitiveness are facts—facts we must make work for us. Rather than resisting the Space Traders’ offer, let us circulate widely the rumor that the Space Traders, aware of our long fruitless struggle on this planet, are arranging to transport us to a land of milk and honey—a virtual paradise.

“Remember, most whites are so jealous of their race-based prerogatives that they oppose affirmative-action even though many of these programs would remove barriers that exclude whites as well as blacks. Can we not expect such whites—notwithstanding even the impressive benefits offered by the Space Traders—to go all out to prevent blacks from gaining access to an extraterrestrial New Jerusalem? Although you are planning to litigate against the Trade on the grounds that it is illegal discrimination to limit it to black people, mark my words, our “milk and honey” story will inspire whites to institute such litigation on the grounds that limiting the Space Traders’ offer to black people is unconstitutional discrimination against whites!

“Many of you have charged that I have become expert at manipulating white people for personal gain. Although profit has not in fact motivated my actions, I certainly have learned to understand how whites think on racial issues. On that knowledge, I am willing to wage my survival and that of my family. I urge you to do the same. This strategy is, however, risky, our only hope.”

The murmurs had subsided into stony silence by the time Golightly left the podium.

“Does anyone care to respond to Professor Golightly’s suggestion?” the chairman finally asked.

Justin Jasper, a well-known and highly respected Baptist minister, came to the microphone. “I readily concede Dr. Golightly’s expertise in the psychology of whites’ thinking. Furthermore, as he requests, I hold in abeyance my deep distrust of a black man whose willing service to whites has led him to become a master minstrel of political mimicry. But my problem with his plan is twofold. First, it rings hollow because it so resembles Dr. Golightly’s consistent opposition in the past to all our civil rights initiatives. Once again, he is urging us to accept rather than oppose a racist policy. And, not only are we not to resist, but we are to beg the country to lead us to the sacrificial altar. God may have that power, but Dr. Golightly is not my God!”

The Reverend Jasper was a master orator, and he quickly had his audience with him. “Second, because the proposal lacks truth, it insults my soul. In the forty years I have worked for civil rights, I have lost more battles than I have won, but I have never lost my integrity. Telling the truth about racism has put me in prison and many of my co-workers into early graves.

“The truth is, Dr. Golightly, that what this country is ready to do to us is wrong. It is evil. It is an action so heinous as to give the word betrayal a bad name. I can speak only for myself, but even if I were certain that my family and I could escape the threat we now face by lying about our likely fate—and, Dr. Golightly, that is you are asking us to do—I do not choose to save myself by a tactic that may preserve my body at the sacrifice of my soul. The fact is, Dr. Golightly, until my Lord calls me home, I do not want to leave this country even for a land of milk and honey. My people were brought here involuntarily, and that is the only way they are going to get me out!”

The Reverend Jasper received a standing ovation. Many people were crying openly as they applauded. After thanking them, the minister asked everyone to join in singing the old nineteenth-century hymn, “Amazing Grace,” which, he reminded them, had been written by an English minister, one John Newton, who as a young man and before finding God’s grace, had been captain of a slave ship. It was with special fervor that they sang the verse:
Through many dangers, toils, and snares,
I have already come.
Twas grace that brought me safe this far,
And grace will lead me home.

With the hymn’s melody still resonating, the coalition’s members voted unanimously to approve their defensive package. The meeting was quickly adjourned. Leaving the hall, everyone agreed that they had done all that could be done to oppose approval of the Space Traders’ offer. As for Golightly, his proposal was dismissed as coming from a person who, in their view, had so often sold out black interests. “He’s a sad case. Even with this crisis, he’s just doing what he’s always done.”

Again, as after the President’s cabinet meeting, Golightly sat for a long time alone. He did not really mind that none of the delegates had spoken to him before leaving. But he was crushed by his failure to get them to recognize what he had long known: that without power, a people must use cunning and guile. Or were cunning and guile, based on superior understanding of a situation, themselves power? Certainly, most black people knew and used this art to survive in their everyday contacts with white people. It was only civil rights professionals who confused integrity with foolhardiness. “Faith in God is fine,” Golightly muttered to himself. “God expects us to use the common sense He gave us to get out of life-threatening situations.”

Still, castigation of black leadership could not alter the fact. Golightly had failed, and he knew it. Sure, he was smarter than they were—smarter even than most whites; but he had finally outsmarted himself. At the crucial moment, when he most needed to help his people, both whites and blacks had rejected as untrustworthy both himself and his plans.

I would vote for the trade, and America would too.

If it was for anybody other than me, I would vote for the trade. As soon as I'm included in the trade, my vote goes against it.

Do you consider voting for the trade moral?

If so, why?

If not, why do you vote for it anyway?


Of course, to me, this brings up an interesting point.

If America accepted the trade, then would that not prove that we are still those same people that destroyed the environment, built up a massive debt, etc. and that even with the right technology, we might not be able to fix ourselves?

And if America didn't accept the trade, wouldn't it prove that we are good people, but doomed to the life we created?

Interesting point. If you accept that by rejecting the trade we show that we are good, might we then be able to make progress on the harm we have created?

Do you consider voting for the trade moral?

If so, why?

If not, why do you vote for it anyway?


A trade of any people for said goods would, of course, not be moral. However, I would vote for it for several reasons.

Most notably, the trade didn't include me.

Secondly, the benefits of the trade are immense. Freeing the country of debt? A clean, nearly unlimited, power source? And the tools to purify the environment?

Of course, I am a selfish bastard.

NO

i wouldnt vote for it and america wouldnt vote for it either and no one in their right mind would consider it for more than a moment.

there is nothing that we cant deal with on our own, we dont need some "space trader" to come along and offer us an easy way out---easy if you arent black, dont have black friends, black family members, black employers, black employees, black political leaders. easy as long as you dont think of black people as PEOPLE, after all we fought a great big war over slavery and came out on the "no we dont want to buy and sell people anymore" side.

i dont think that anyone in our government would give it any serious consideration at all. we arent that kind of people anymore.

It's a simple, cold utilitarian calculation. It's going to vastly increase the happiness of the rest of the nation (and possibly the world) to have all those resources. And we don't even know if the situation the African-Americans will find themselves in will be bad. It might actually be a "land of milk and honey."

Just cold, cruel utilitarianism here.

I'd say the same thing if it were for all the white people, or asians, or latinos or anybody else. Just the utility.

It's a simple, cold utilitarian calculation. It's going to vastly increase the happiness of the rest of the nation (and possibly the world) to have all those resources. And we don't even know if the situation the African-Americans will find themselves in will be bad. It might actually be a "land of milk and honey."

Just cold, cruel utilitarianism here.

I'd say the same thing if it were for all the white people, or asians, or latinos or anybody else. Just the utility.

Your version of cold, crule utilitarianism recognizes no individual rights?

Mill would be most disappointed.

And you see no downside to the trade?

4 January.
In a nationally televised address, the President sought to reassure both Trade supporters that he was responding favorably to their strong messages, and blacks and whites opposed to the Trade that he would not ignore their views. After the usual patriotic verbiage, the President said that just-completed, end-of-century economic reports revealed the nation was in much worse shape than anyone had imagined. He summarized what he called the “very grim figures,” and added that only massive new resources would save America from having to declare bankruptcy.

“On the face of it, our visitors from outer space have initiated their relationship with our country in a most unusual way. Although they are a foreign power and as such entitled to the respect this nation has always granted to the family of nations on earth, it is not appropriate for us to prejudge this extraplanetary nation’s offer. Thus, it is now receiving careful study and review by this administration.

“Of course, I am aware of the sacrifice that some of our most highly regarded citizens would be asked to make in the proposed trade. While these citizens are of only one racial group, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to indicate that the selection was intended to discriminate against any race or religion or ethnic background.

“No decisions have been made, and all options are under review. This much seems clear: the materials the Traders have offered us are genuine and perform as promised. Early estimates indicate that, if these materials were made available to this nation, they would solve our economic crisis, and we could look forward to a century of unparalleled prosperity. Whether the trade would allow a tax-free year for every American, as some of our citizens have hoped, is not certain. But I can promise that if the Trade is approved, I will exercise my best efforts to make such a trade dividend a reality.”

Early that morning, the leaders of Fortune-500 businesses, heads of banks, insurance companies, and similar entities boarded their well-appointed corporate jets, and flew to a remote Wyoming hunting lodge. They understood the President supported the Trade, despite his avowals that no decision had been made. They had come to discuss the Trade offer’s implications for big business.

besides as any good yankee trader will tell you

you never take the first offer. they always have a back up offer. wait and see what that might be. no sense being too easy

Your version of cold, crule utilitarianism recognizes no individual rights?

Mill would be most disappointed.

And you see no downside to the trade?
No, my form of utilitarianism does recognize rights, but sometimes, just sometimes, the benefits to be gained are so enormous that it's really tough to turn down.

And I do see the moral, philosophical downside to this. I believe, in a fundamental part of me that isn't cold and utilitarian, that the rights of the African-Americans are being violated by the trade. Their freedom of choice is being denied. I'd suspect their property rights are being denied, hell there's a whole list of things being denied.

But I'm in a particularly foul mood right now, and as such, the friendly side of me is stuffed in a closet. I just want more stuff.

Oh, and do they want Michael Jackson? If they want him too, I'm all for the trade!

5 January.
Not content with just closing the doors on their meeting as the Anti-Trade Coalition had, the corporate leaders of America gathered for an absolutely hush-hush meeting. They were joined by the Vice President and some of the wealthier members of Congress. The surroundings were beautiful, but the gathering of white males was somber. Corporate America faced a dilemma of its own making.

Media polls as well as ones privately funded by businesses all reported tremendous public support for the Trade—unhappy but hardly unexpected news for the nation’s richest and most powerful men. First, blacks represented 12 percent of the market and generally consumed much more of their income than did their white counterparts. No one wanted to send that portion of the market into outer space—not even for the social and practical benefits offered by the Space Traders.

Even those benefits were a mixed blessing. Coal and oil companies, expecting to raise their prices as supplies steadily decreased, were not elated at the prospect of an inexhaustible energy source; it could quickly put them out of business. Similarly, businesses whose profits were based on sales in black ghetto communities—or who supplied law enforcement agencies, prisons, and other such institutions—faced substantial losses in sales. The real estate industry, for example, annually reaped uncounted millions in commissions on sales and rentals, inflated by the understanding that blacks would not be allowed to purchase or rent in the area. Even these concerns were over-shadowed by fears of what the huge influx of gold to pay all state debts would do to the economy, or to the value of either the current money supply or gold?

Seldom acknowledged, most business leaders understood that blacks were crucial in stabilizing the economy with its ever-increasing disparity between the incomes of rich and the poor. They recognized that potentially turbulent unrest among those on the bottom was deflected by the continuing efforts of poorer whites to ensure that they at least remained ahead of blacks. If blacks were removed from the society, working and middle-class whites—deprived of their racial distraction—might look upward toward the top of the societal well and realize that they as well as the blacks below them suffered because of the gross disparities in opportunities and income.

Many of these corporate leaders and their elected representatives had for years exploited poor whites’ ignorance of their real enemy. Now, what had been a comforting insulation of their privileges and wealth, posed a very serious barrier to what a majority saw as a first priority: persuade the country to reject the Trade. A quick survey of the media and advertising representatives present was not encouraging. “It would be quite a challenge,” one network executive said, “but we simply can’t change this country’s view about the superiority of whites and the inferiority of blacks in a week. I doubt you could do it in a decade.”

Even so, the corporate leaders decided to try. They planned to launch immediately a major media campaign—television, radio, and the press—to exploit both the integration achieved in America and the moral cost of its loss. White members of professional and college sports teams would urge rejection of the Trade “so as to keep the team together.” Whites in integrated businesses, schools, churches, and neighborhoods, would broadcast similar messages. The business leaders even committed large sums to facilitate campaigning by pro-choice womens’ groups who were strongly anti-Trade. In a particularly poignant series of ads, white spouses in interracial marriages would point out that the Trade would destroy their families, and beg the public not to support it.

...
“We need your financial support,” the Vice President admitted, “but our polls show most white voters favor the Trade and the administration is under increasing pressure to do the same. And, as you know, pro-Trade advocates are promising that with all government debts paid, every American would get a year without any taxes. Believe it or not, some liberal environmentalists are thinking of giving their support to the Trade as the lesser of two evils. Of course, the prospect of heating and air-conditioning homes without paying through the nose is very appealing, even to those who don’t care a hoot about the environment.”
“However enticing such benefits of the Trade may be,” interjected a census expert from a major foundation, “the real attraction for a great many whites is that it would remove black people from this society. Since the first of the year, my staff and I have interviewed literally thousands of citizens across the country, and, though they don’t say it directly, it’s clear that at bottom, they simply think this will be a better country without black people. I fear gentlemen that those of us who have been perpetuating this belief over the years have done a better job than we knew.”

...
The remainder of the meeting was more upbeat. Pointedly telling the Vice President that he and the administration were caught in the middle and would have to decide whose support they most wanted in the future, the business leaders began making specific plans to suspend all regular broadcasting and, through 16 January, to air nothing but anti-Trade ads and special Trade programs. They flew out that night, their confidence restored. They controlled the media. They had become rich and successful playing “hard ball.” However competitive with one another, they had, as usual, united to confront this new challenge to their hegemony. As usual, they would not fail.

6 January

Groups supporting the Space Traders’ proposition had from the beginning taken seriously blacks’ charges that acceptance of it would violate the Constitu-tion’s most basic protections. Acting swiftly, and with the full cooperation of the states, they had set in motion the steps neces-sary to convene a Constitutional convention in Philadelphia. (“Of course!” groaned Golightly when he heard of it). And there, on this day, on the site of the original Constitution convention, delegates—chosen, in accordance with Article V of the Constitution, by the state legislatures—quickly drafted, and by a substan-tial majority passed, the Twenty-seventh Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. It declared:
Without regard to the language or interpretations previously given any other provision of this document, every United States citizen is subject at the call of Congress to selection for special service for periods necessary to protect domestic interests and international needs.

The amendment was scheduled for ratification by the states on 15 January in a national referendum. If ratified, the amendment would validate amendments to existing Selective Service laws authorizing the induction of all blacks into special service for transportation under the terms of the Space Traders’ offer.

Here's an interesting question - why do the politicians assume that the space traders are actually going to give up all of this treasure, regardless of what we do?

On the question, I would vote no. If we can't fix these things ourselves, then we live with them. I certainly wouldn't just send off an unwilling subset of the population to "help" my country.

7 January

Led by Rabbi Abraham Specter, a group of Jewish church leaders and organizational leaders, sponsored a mammoth anti-Trade rally in New York’s Madison Square Garden. “We simply cannot stand by and allow America’s version of the ‘Final Solution’ to its race problem to be carried out without our strong protest and committed opposition.” Thirty-five thousand Jews signed pledges to disrupt both the referendum and—if the amendment was ratified—the selection of blacks for ‘special service’ by all possible nonviolent means.

“Already,” Rabbi Specter announced, “a secret Anne Frank Committee has formed, and its hundreds of members have begun to locate hiding places in out-of-the-way sites across this great country. Blacks by the thousands can be hidden for years if necessary until the nation returns to its senses.

“We vow this action because we recognize the fateful parallel between the plight of the blacks in this country and the situation of the Jews in Nazi Germany. Holocaust scholars agree that the Final Solution in Germany would not have been possible without the pervasive presence and the uninterrupted tradition of anti-Semitism in Germany. We must not let the Space Traders be the final solution for blacks in America.”

While not contained in their official condemnations of the Trade offer, many Jews were concerned that in the absence of blacks, Jews could become the scapegoats for a system so reliant on an identifiable group on whose heads less-well-off whites can discharge their hate and frustrations for societal disabilities about which they are unwilling to confront their leaders. Given the German experience, few Jews argued that “it couldn’t happen here.”

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Given the terms of the agreement, I would accept the trade. However, during the 16 days I would destroy any birth certificates and official identification labeled 'black' unless the owner of said identification wanted to go with the aliens. I would then eliminate the race category from every type of identification.

Given the terms of the agreement, I would accept the trade. However, during the 16 days I would destroy any birth certificates and official identification labeled 'black' unless the owner of said identification wanted to go with the aliens. I would then eliminate the race category from every type of identification.

But that doesnt change the fact that THEY HAVE BLACK SKIN

Given the terms of the agreement, I would accept the trade. However, during the 16 days I would destroy any birth certificates and official identification labeled 'black' unless the owner of said identification wanted to go with the aliens. I would then eliminate the race category from every type of identification.

The Space Traders say they are aware of who is officially identified as black and they will take any such effort as a rejection of the agreement.

Here's an interesting question - why do the politicians assume that the space traders are actually going to give up all of this treasure, regardless of what we do?

On the question, I would vote no. If we can't fix these things ourselves, then we live with them. I certainly wouldn't just send off an unwilling subset of the population to "help" my country.

I do think the first part is interesting. It appears the Space Traders are making their offer in good faith, but some leapt to trade away the rights of millions without assurances.

8 January

Responding almost immediately to the Jewish anti-Trade rally, the Attorney General expressed his “grave concern” that what he felt certain was but a small group of Jews would, by acting in flagrant violation of the law of the land, besmirch the good names of all patriotic American Jews. For this reason, he said, he was releasing for publication the secret list, obtained by undercover F.B.I. agents, of all those who had joined the Anne Frank Committee. He stated that the release was needed so that all Americans could easily distinguish this group from the majority of patriotic and law-abiding Jewish citizens.

Retaliation was quick. Within hours, men and women listed as belonging to the committee lost their jobs; their contracts were canceled; their mortgages foreclosed; and harassment of them, including physical violence, escalated into a nationwide resurgence of anti-Semitic feeling. Groups on the far right, who were exploiting the growing support for the Trade, urged: “Send the blacks into space. Send the Jews into Hell.” The Jews who opposed the Trade were intimidated into silence and inaction. The leaders of Rabbi Specter’s group were themselves forced into hiding, leaving few able to provide any havens for blacks.

8 January

Responding almost immediately to the Jewish anti-Trade rally, the Attorney General expressed his “grave concern” that what he felt certain was but a small group of Jews would, by acting in flagrant violation of the law of the land, besmirch the good names of all patriotic American Jews. For this reason, he said, he was releasing for publication the secret list, obtained by undercover F.B.I. agents, of all those who had joined the Anne Frank Committee. He stated that the release was needed so that all Americans could easily distinguish this group from the majority of patriotic and law-abiding Jewish citizens.

Retaliation was quick. Within hours, men and women listed as belonging to the committee lost their jobs; their contracts were canceled; their mortgages foreclosed; and harassment of them, including physical violence, escalated into a nationwide resurgence of anti-Semitic feeling. Groups on the far right, who were exploiting the growing support for the Trade, urged: “Send the blacks into space. Send the Jews into Hell.” The Jews who opposed the Trade were intimidated into silence and inaction. The leaders of Rabbi Specter’s group were themselves forced into hiding, leaving few able to provide any havens for blacks.

I can see where this is going...

I can see where this is going...

Really? Where?

9 January

A coalition of liberal opponents to the Space Traders’ offer sought to combine pragmatism and principle in what they called their “slippery Trade slope” argument. First, they proclaimed the strong moral position that trading away a group of Americans identifiable by race is wrong and violates our basic principles. The coalition aimed its major thrust, however, at the self-interest of white Americans: “Does not consigning blacks to an unknown fate set a dangerous precedent?” the liberals demanded. “Who will be next?”

In full page ads they pressed the point: “Are we cannibals ready to consume our own for profit? And if we are, the blacks may be only the first. If the Space Traders return with an irresistible offer for another group, the precedent will have been set, and none of us will be safe. Certainly not the minorities—Hispanics, Jews, Asians—and perhaps not even those of us identifiable by politics or religion or geographic location. Setting such a precedent of profit could consume us all.”

The Space Traders say they are aware of who is officially identified as black and they will take any such effort as a rejection of the agreement.
Hey, now you're adding terms that weren't there. *shrugs* Besides which, the whole scenario is quite stupid, especially given the conditions it presupposes. For what supposedly is set up, at least a third, possibly as much as a half of the black population would be outright dead from fighting. For that matter, there would be serious repercussions from those who consider themselves libertarians, especially the ones who own weaponry. That and the fact is if that much gold as the scenario describes was dumped on the market, it wouldn't solve anything. It would probably end up crashing at least one or two major foreign economies at the very least. Also, the proposed selective service solution wouldn't work given that it encompasses only those of the ages 18 - 45 or thereabouts.

I can see where this is going...
It took you the 8th part to figure it out? Rather slow.

Hey, now you're adding terms that weren't there. *shrugs*

Actually, it was rather clear in the opening post that additional facts and information would be forthcoming.

Regardless, you merely tried to cheat the trade. Crying "foul" is hypocritical.

Besides which, the whole scenario is quite stupid, especially given the conditions it presupposes.

Most of the points you raise that make the scenario "stupid" are discussed in later posts.

For what supposedly is set up, at least a third, possibly as much as a half of the black population would be outright dead from fighting. For that matter, there would be serious repercussions from those who consider themselves libertarians, especially the ones who own weaponry.

What makes you think that white libertarians would rise in armed struggle against the Trade? Aren't you assuming they oppose it? Why?

That and the fact is if that much gold as the scenario describes was dumped on the market, it wouldn't solve anything. It would probably end up crashing at least one or two foreign economies at the very least. Also, the proposed selective service solution wouldn't work given that it encompasses only those of the ages 18 - 45 or thereabouts.

The concern about the gold was raised by business leaders.

The selective service provision is specifically not the normal draft. I think that was made rather clear.

Your input is appreciated.

It took you the 8th part to figure it out? Rather slow.

I am still curious as to where you two assume this is going.

I doubt you are correct.

10 January

In the brief but intense pre-election day campaign, the pro-ratification groups’ major argument had an appeal that surprised even those who made it. Their message was straightforward:
The Framers intended America to be a white country. The evidence of their intentions is present in the original Constitution. After more than a hundred and thirty-seven years of good-faith efforts to build a healthy, stable interracial nation, we have concluded—as the Framers did in the beginning—that our survival today requires that we sacrifice the rights of blacks in order to protect and further the interests of whites. The Framers’ example must be our guide. Patriotism and not pity must govern our decision. We should ratify the amendment and accept the Space Traders’ proposition.

Astutely sidestepping the Trade precedent arguments, the Trade response focused on the past sacrifices of blacks. “In each instance,” they contended, “the sacrifice of black rights was absolutely necessary to accomplish an important government purpose. These decisions were neither arbitrary nor capricious. Without the compromises on slavery in the Constitution of 1787, there would be no America. Nor would there be any framework under which those opposed to slavery could continue the struggle that eventually led to the Civil War and emancipation.

“And where and how might slavery have ended had a new government not been formed? On what foundation would the post-Civil War amendments been appended? Sacrifices by blacks were made, but those sacrifices were both necessary and eventually rewarding to blacks as well as the nation.”

In countering the anti-Trade contention that the sacrifice of black rights was both evil and unprecedented, pro-Traders claimed, “Beginning with the Civil War in which black people gained their liberty, this nation has called on its people to serve in its defense. Many men and women have voluntarily enlisted in the armed services, but literally millions of men have been conscripted, required to serve their country and, if necessary, to sacrifice not simply their rights but also their lives.

As for the argument that the sacrifice of black rights in political compromises was odious racial discrimination, pro-Trade forces contended that “fortuitous fate and not blatant racism” should be held responsible. Just as men and not women are inducted into the military, and even then only men of a certain age and physical and mental condition, so only some groups are destined by their role in the nation’s history to serve as catalyst for stability and progress. “All Americans are expected to make sacrifices for the good of their country. Black people are no exceptions to this basic obligation of citizenship. Their role may be special, but so is that of many of those who serve. The role that blacks may be called on to play in response to the Space Traders’ offer is, however regrettable, neither immoral nor unconstitutional.”

What makes you think that white libertarians would rise in armed struggle against the Trade? Aren't you assuming they oppose it? Why?

...*sighs* Because the idea behind it is a complete reversal of the libertarian ideal. In fact most conservatives probably wouldn't accept the trade. The entire scenario to be even half-assedly successful assumes a pre-1950s, possibly pre-WWII, mindset and disasterous amounts of pollution.


Edit - Either that or I have too sunny a view of human nature. Possible, albeit unlikely.

...*sighs* Because the idea behind it is a complete reversal of the libertarian ideal. In fact most conservatives probably wouldn't accept the trade. The entire scenario to be even half-assedly successful assumes a pre-1950s, possibly pre-WWII, mindset and disasterous amounts of pollution.

An interesting point.

Of course the scenario is primarily just the trade offer - the rest is food for thought. You appear confident it would be rejected. That is one of the things I was curious to hear about.

Edit - Either that or I have too sunny a view of human nature. Possible, albeit unlikely.

:D

11 January

Unconfirmed media reports asserted that U.S. officials tried in secret negotiations to get the Space Traders to take in trade only those blacks currently under the jurisdiction of the criminal justice system—that is, in prison or on parole or probation. Government negotiators noted that this would include almost one half of the black males in the 20-to-29-year-old age bracket.9 Negotiators were also reported to have offered to trade blacks locked in the inner cities. But, the Space Traders stated that they had no intention of turning their far-off homeland into an American prison colony for blacks. In rejecting the American offer, the Space Traders warned that they would withdraw their proposition unless the United States halted the flight of the growing numbers of blacks who—fearing the worst—were fleeing the country.

In response, executive orders were issued and implemented, barring blacks from leaving the country until the Space Traders’ proposition was fully debated and resolved. “It is your patriotic duty,” blacks were told by the White House, “to allow this great issue to be resolved through the democratic process and in accordance with the rule of law.” To ensure that the trade debate and referendum were concluded in a “noncoercive environment,” all blacks serving in the military were placed on furlough and relieved of their weapons. State officials took similar action with respect to blacks on active duty in state and local police forces.

12 January

The Supreme Court, citing precedent dating back to 1849, rejected a number of appeals by blacks and their white supporters whose legal challenges to every aspect of the referendum process, had been dismissed by lower courts as “political questions” best resolved by the body politic rather than through judicial review.

The Supreme Court’s order refusing to intervene in the Space Trader proposition was brief and unanimous. The order was brief and per curiam. The Court agreed that the Space Trader litigation lacked judicially discoverable and manageable standards for resolving the issues. The Court also noted that, if inducted in accordance with a constitutionally approved conscription provision, blacks would have no issues of individual rights for review. Even if the Court were to conclude that rights under the Fourteenth Amendment were deserving of greater weight than the authority of the new constitutional amendment up for ratification, the standards of national necessity that prompted the Court to approve the confinement of Japanese-Americans during the Second World War, would serve as sufficient precedent for the induction and transfer of African Americans to the Space Traders.

While not claiming to give weight to the public opinion polls reporting strong support for the Trade, the Court noted that almost a century earlier, in 1903, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes had denied injunctive relief to six thousand blacks who petitioned the Court to protect their right to vote.13 The bill alleged that the great mass of the white population intended to keep the blacks from voting; but, in view of such massive opposition, Holmes reasoned that ordering the blacks’ names to be placed on the voting list would be “an empty form” unless the court also mandated electoral supervision by “officers of the court.”

12 January

The Supreme Court, citing precedent dating back to 1849, rejected a number of appeals by blacks and their white supporters whose legal challenges to every aspect of the referendum process, had been dismissed by lower courts as “political questions” best resolved by the body politic rather than through judicial review.

The Supreme Court’s order refusing to intervene in the Space Trader proposition was brief and unanimous. The order was brief and per curiam. The Court agreed that the Space Trader litigation lacked judicially discoverable and manageable standards for resolving the issues. The Court also noted that, if inducted in accordance with a constitutionally approved conscription provision, blacks would have no issues of individual rights for review. Even if the Court were to conclude that rights under the Fourteenth Amendment were deserving of greater weight than the authority of the new constitutional amendment up for ratification, the standards of national necessity that prompted the Court to approve the confinement of Japanese-Americans during the Second World War, would serve as sufficient precedent for the induction and transfer of African Americans to the Space Traders.

While not claiming to give weight to the public opinion polls reporting strong support for the Trade, the Court noted that almost a century earlier, in 1903, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes had denied injunctive relief to six thousand blacks who petitioned the Court to protect their right to vote.13 The bill alleged that the great mass of the white population intended to keep the blacks from voting; but, in view of such massive opposition, Holmes reasoned that ordering the blacks’ names to be placed on the voting list would be “an empty form” unless the court also mandated electoral supervision by “officers of the court.”

Does Thomas provide a dissenting opinion, or follow Scalia's lead?

=)

the standards of national necessity that prompted the Court to approve the confinement of Japanese-Americans during the Second World War, would serve as sufficient precedent for the induction and transfer of African Americans to the Space Traders.
The camps were nothing more than a temporary measure and they stayed within the boundaries of US soil. By it's very nature the trade would be permanent and they would be removed from US soil. More than enough difference to ignore it as any sort of precedent for the proposed situation.

14 January.

With the legal questions to the Trade resolved, the U.S. government announced that as a result of intensive negotiations with Space Trader leaders, the visitors had agreed to amend their offer and exclude from the Trade all black people seventy years old, and older, and all those blacks who were seriously handicapped, ill, and injured. In addition, a thousand otherwise-eligible blacks and their immediate families would be left behind as trustees of black property and possessions, all of which were to be stored or held in escrow in case blacks were returned to this country. Each of the thousand black “detainees” was required to pledge to accept a subordinate status with “suspended citizenship” until such time as the “special service inductees” were returned to the country. The administration selected blacks to remain who had records of loyalty to the conservative party and no recorded instances of militant activity. Even so, many of those blacks selected, declined to remain. “We will, like the others,” one black who rejected detainee status said, “take our chances with the Referendum.”

you have NO idea how much i am hoping that this whole negotiations thing is a ruse to allow some vin diesel/will smith team time to infiltrate the mother ships and steal all the cool stuff.

you have NO idea how much i am hoping that this whole negotiations thing is a ruse to allow some vin diesel/will smith team time to infiltrate the mother ships and steal all the cool stuff.

I'm hoping the aliens are like. "Damn, you people suck. We're never talking to you again."

14 January.

With the legal questions to the Trade resolved, the U.S. government announced that as a result of intensive negotiations with Space Trader leaders, the visitors had agreed to amend their offer and exclude from the Trade all black people seventy years old, and older, and all those blacks who were seriously handicapped, ill, and injured. In addition, a thousand otherwise-eligible blacks and their immediate families would be left behind as trustees of black property and possessions, all of which were to be stored or held in escrow in case blacks were returned to this country. Each of the thousand black “detainees” was required to pledge to accept a subordinate status with “suspended citizenship” until such time as the “special service inductees” were returned to the country. The administration selected blacks to remain who had records of loyalty to the conservative party and no recorded instances of militant activity. Even so, many of those blacks selected, declined to remain. “We will, like the others,” one black who rejected detainee status said, “take our chances with the Referendum.”

Woah. That's the first time that the government hasn't even bothered with coaching their racism in the terms of saving the nation. The "suspended citizenship" thing is nonsense.

The camps were nothing more than a temporary measure and they stayed within the boundaries of US soil. By it's very nature the trade would be permanent and they would be removed from US soil. More than enough difference to ignore it as any sort of precedent for the proposed situation.

Of course, the primary reason given was that it was a political question and not judiciable -- a doctrine the court has relied on from time to time.

Also, the new Amendment arguably can authorize something that would otherwise be impermissible.

Finally, I don't think you can dismiss the Japanese internment cases so easily.
Korematsu v. United States (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/323/214.html), 323 US 214 (1944) (sustaining a military order under which Americans of Japanese origin were removed from designated West Coast areas); Hirabayashi v. United States (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/320/81.html ), 320 U.S. 81 (1943) (upholding a military curfew imposed on persons of Japanese ancestry in the West Coast during the early months of the Second World War). The internment turned out to be temporary -- but it was of indefinite duration at the time the internment was reviewed. We do not know that the Space Traders will keep the black Americans forever. We also do not know that leaving with the Space Traders will be harmful -- that conditions won't be better with the Space Traders -- but the internments were clearly harmful to the Japanese Americans.

I would definitely not profer that the Court decision described would be correct. It would be consistent with the willingness of the Court to bend to political pressure -- particularly in times of crisis.

Woah. That's the first time that the government hasn't even bothered with coaching their racism in the terms of saving the nation. The "suspended citizenship" thing is nonsense.

I agree that I find the January 14 events particularly objectionable and implausible. (Not that the Space Traders are plausible. ;) )

Unless I have an unknown talent for finding a lot more moral people to talk with, this just isn't logical.

Based on people I have talked with:
Most people (including whites) would not support the trade
The government would have to think of a lot of people being very angry about this if the trade was accepted

Also, it's the opinion of most people I've talked to on the subject that the Japanese inturnment camps were entirely immoral. And that was under government control.

This is working under too many unknowns. We couldn't accept the trade, because if we did, I don't see how we could call ourselves people anymore.

If the Space Traders won't tell what's going to be done with them, then I don't see how they could be up to any good.

And regardless, after slavery was ended, there's no way the US could vilolate all those peoples rights and trading them like property. If the US were to do this, they would be setting a precedent that wouldn't look good. Every right would then be called into question. It would be chaos.

I'm white, and I'd be on my damn way out. Any government that would even consider this trade would be a government I wouldn't be able to trust with anything.

If anyone thinks that less of a group of people, then they should rot in hell.

15 January.

Many whites had, to their credit, been working day and night to defeat the amendment; but as is the usual fate of minority rights when subjected to referenda or initiatives,15 the outcome was never really in doubt. The final vote tally confirmed the predictions. By 70 percent to 30 percent, American citizens voted to ratify the constitutional amendment that provided a legal basis for acceptance of the Space Traders’ offer. In anticipation of this result, government agencies had secretly made preparations to facilitate the transfer. Some blacks escaped, and many thousands lost their lives in futile efforts to resist the joint federal and state police teams responsible for rounding up, cataloguing, and transporting blacks to the Coast.

Unless I have an unknown talent for finding a lot more moral people to talk with, this just isn't logical.

Based on people I have talked with:
Most people (including whites) would not support the trade
The government would have to think of a lot of people being very angry about this if the trade was accepted

*snip*

Don't we go to war for a lot less gain than that offered by the Space Traders?

What about the argument that this is simply asking for service to one's country -- like the draft?

We sent tens of thousands to die in Vietnam for clearly less potential reward than offered by the trade.

Is it really improbable that we would at least consider the offer?

Is it really improbable that we would at least consider the offer?
The government? No. The general population, a lot less than your described scenario calls for. You assume that there would be near 100% compliance on the part of the police forces or on the part of the volunteer army currently in place. Also, Vietnam was a big product of Lyndon B. Johnson bullshit, just like his 'Great Society' which is unfortunately still with us in many respects.

16 January.

Professor Golightly and his family were not granted detainee status. Instead, he was promised safe passage to Canada by the White House for all his past services even though he had not made the patriotic appeal the President had requested of him. But, at the border that evening, he was stopped and turned back. It turned out the Secretary of the Interior had called to countermand his departure. Golightly was not surprised. What really distressed him was his failure to convince the black leaders of the anti-Trade coalition to heed their own rhetoric; namely that whites in power would, given the chance, do to privileged blacks what, in fact, they had done to all blacks.

“I wonder,” he murmured, half to himself, half to his wife, as they rode in a luxury limousine sent, in some irony, by the Secretary of the Interior to convey them to the nearest round-up point, “how my high-minded brothers at the conference feel now about their decision to fail with integrity rather than stoop to the bit of trickery that might have saved them.”

“But, Gleason,” his wife asked, “would our lives have really been better had we fooled the country into voting against the trade? If the Space Traders were to depart, carrying away with them what they and everyone else says can solve our major domestic problems, wouldn’t people increasingly blame us blacks for increases in debt, pollution, and fuel shortages? We might have saved ourselves—but only to face here a fate as dire as any we face in space.”

“I hope your stoic outlook helps us through whatever lies ahead,” Golightly responded, as the car stopped, and guards hustled him and his family toward the buses being loaded with other blacks captured at the Canadian border.

Don't we go to war for a lot less gain than that offered by the Space Traders?

What about the argument that this is simply asking for service to one's country -- like the draft?

We sent tens of thousands to die in Vietnam for clearly less potential reward than offered by the trade.

Is it really improbable that we would at least consider the offer?

I noticed you did that little snip rather conveniently.

This is nothing like a draft. You can trade goods, food, clothing... NOT people. And no war has zeroed in on one group of people only. If, back during Vietnam, someone said "we're only going to send black people to Vietnam" then it would be comparible, but it isn't. Vietnam wasn't a highly supported war as it was.

It almost sounds like a faustian deal, actually. I can compare it more to that than anything else.

I don't doubt some people would support it, because some people are selfish bastards that don't consider the consequences of being selfish bastards. But the country as a whole considering this offer seriously would be a huge mistake, no matter what the benefit might be.

I'd say the US government would be much more likely to figure out a way to kill the damn aliens than anything else.

Don't we go to war for a lot less gain than that offered by the Space Traders?

Yes.

What about the argument that this is simply asking for service to one's country -- like the draft?

Bullshit, the draft doesn't single out a small subset of the population based on an arbitrary distinction. Well, at least it won't, as soon as we get women added.

There is also the fact that, while often looked down upon, a person can move to another country and get citizenship there if a draft is instituted. They can also be conscientious objectors. There are ways out. Neither is being offered here.

Is it really improbable that we would at least consider the offer?

There are those who would consider it. I would say that the vast majority of people would reject it outright.

January 17.

The last Martin Luther King holiday the nation would ever observe dawned on an extraordinary sight. In the night, the Space Traders had drawn their strange ships right up to the beaches and discharged their cargoes of gold, minerals, and machinery. They closed the doors. As the sun rose, they began to arrange in long lines some twenty million silent black men, women, and children, including babes in arms. First, the Traders directed the inductees to strip of all but a single undergarment. Then the doors swung open. Ahead, the traders’ directed them toward the yawning holds where they would be swallowed by what Milton might have described as a “darkness visible.” Behind them, the U.S. guards, guns in hand, stood watch. There was no escape, no alternative. Heads bowed, arms now linked by slender chains, black people left the new world as their forebears had arrived

January 17.

The last Martin Luther King holiday the nation would ever observe dawned on an extraordinary sight. In the night, the Space Traders had drawn their strange ships right up to the beaches and discharged their cargoes of gold, minerals, and machinery. They closed the doors. As the sun rose, they began to arrange in long lines some twenty million silent black men, women, and children, including babes in arms. First, the Traders directed the inductees to strip of all but a single undergarment. Then the doors swung open. Ahead, the traders’ directed them toward the yawning holds where they would be swallowed by what Milton might have described as a “darkness visible.” Behind them, the U.S. guards, guns in hand, stood watch. There was no escape, no alternative. Heads bowed, arms now linked by slender chains, black people left the new world as their forebears had arrived
So do we get an epilogue?

So, besides a story that is analogous in some ways to what various african tribes did to members of other and occasionally their own tribes, is there a point to this lovely tale?

So do we get an epilogue?

'fraid not. I could make one up, but I didn't write the story.

So, besides a story that is analogous in some ways to what various african tribes did to members of other and occasionally their own tribes, is there a point to this lovely tale?

Nice try. Can't tick me off about it.

*shudder*

and why would that be the last MLK day? perhaps we would honor the memory of the sacrifice of our black brothers and sisters with this day forever.

so, cat-tribe you posted this rather thinly written and extremely unlikely story, what is the point of it? what did you get from it?

"The Space Traders" was written by Derrick Bell and appears in his book, Faces at the Bottom of the Well: The Permanence of Racism (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465068146/103-0345811-1703011?v=glance)

Professor Bell is a visting professor at New York University Law School.

Renowned as the professor who gave up his tenured position at the Harvard Law School in protest of the university's lack of minority women faculty members, Derrick Bell is also an innovative, insightful and unorthodox scholar and writer. Bell, now a professor at New York University’s School of Law, helped pioneer a new style of narrative scholarship, mixing allegory and anecdote together with analysis and fact.

Bell was born in 1930 in Pittsburgh, where he was the first member of his family to go to college. After serving in the U.S. Air Force in Korea, he entered the University of Pittsburgh Law School with the goal of becoming a civil rights lawyer. He began his legal career at the Justice Department, then was recruited by Thurgood Marshall to join the Legal Defense and Education Fund of the NAACP. In 1971, Bell became the first black tenured professor at Harvard Law School.

The story is rather famous (among some legal circles) and has been both highly acclaimed and heavily criticized. I'll try to provide some links.

*shudder*

and why would that be the last MLK day? perhaps we would honor the memory of the sacrifice of our black brothers and sisters with this day forever.
Look at how the government is working? They're fairly racist by the end.

personally i think it would be a more "trail of tears" kind of scenario where the supreme court would rule against the executive branch but the army would round up all black people in defiance of that ruling

not that i think it would be done

and i suspect that the people in legal circles arent much into science fiction, i have certainly read more thought provoking and realistic scenarios.

I thank those who have commented and/or answered the poll so far.

I'll provide more of my own thoughts later. (But I reserve the right to be devil's advocate -- as I already have done more than once. ;) )

I hope some of you found the story at least somewhat interesting.

so the point of this story is that if we really wanted to we could come up with legal justification for the elimination of black people in the US?

so the point of this story is that if we really wanted to we could come up with legal justification for the elimination of black people in the US?
The poll is the point of it. It's not the story, it's the reaction.

To a certain extent, I was curious to see what people would get out of it. There are several possible "points."

CSW is largely right.

But you are partially right Ashmoria.

Professor Bell has said he originally wrote the story for his students as a parallel to the Founding Father's compromise over slavery in the US Constitution and to the Compromise in 1876 when the newly freed slaves were left to the mercies of Southern segregation. He wanted to illustrate to some degree the magnitude of those decisions.

Also, he has reported many times that he is "more suprised than pleased" that -- aside from a few outraged members of the middle class -- most black people in his audiences readily accept that a majority of Americans would accept the trade. He says white audiences are less certain, but often admit that the people in their local community would probably vote for the trade. (He admits this is totally unscientific.)

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