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Three Wily Wankers are approaching?
Indeed.

'nough said

Um...no...

Why? Who's gonna start it? Where is it going down?

Questions, comrade! Questions!

Umm....WWIII is already here. The international war on terror is WWIII.

So, when is WW3 going to replace WWW?

Its about time as WWW is so tired and antiquated already.

Umm....WWIII is already here. The international war on terror is WWIII.

Depends. I know of some umm... let's say... ambitious US generals who regard the war on terrorism as WWIV, claiming Cold War was already WWIII. So, it's a matter of perspective. :p

Willy Wonka is having a grandchild? I didn't think Charlie Bucket even counted as his child, as he already had parents and grandparents ... but I'll take your word for it.

"'nough said" is a powerful argument indeed.

Some people think that world war III will happen when many arab countries invade Israel..then the U.S gets involved..then china invades taiwan since the US is busy. So China's thrown into the conflict, then eventually Europe and Russia get thrown into it...Europe probably taking the side of the US and Russia could go either way.

I just heard this somewhere....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/18/politics/18nuke.html?th&emc=th

No. World War 3 would revolve around my Neighbour, Mr. Chai vs my other opposite neighbour, Mrs. Das.

They two would clash over a dispute about Mr.Chai's tree and it's leaves that keep on falling into Mrs.Das'es property. Which Mrs. Das is getting pretty fed up of having to clean up Mr.Chai's tree leaves.

I forsee much woe and death, with untold millions, possibly even a billion people would die afterwards. The worlds economy would collapse asunder, and the smoke from the destruction, would cloud up the earth's sky blocking the suns rays from reaching the earth for 1 year. Causing massive famine and world hunger.

Some people think that world war III will happen when many arab countries invade Israel..then the U.S gets involved..then china invades taiwan since the US is busy. So China's thrown into the conflict, then eventually Europe and Russia get thrown into it...Europe probably taking the side of the US and Russia could go either way.

I just heard this somewhere....

Hmmm, a bit unlikely. The first part is very likely, yes, but the rest requires unnaturally high levels unreasonable behavior. It also depends on a whole big number of uncertainty factors.

PS: Where did you hear that, anyways? Don't say you heard it from that annoying hillbilly hoax madman named John Titor... :headbang:

Yay! Japan against China! Two go in, one comes out!

Edit: Or rather two go in, then 27 join them. Then 4 more just for good measure, and 33 come out, but in bad shape.

Actually it could happen soon....


We are long overdue to have a major conflict...if you look back in recent history a major war happens every 2 generations. And we are now in the third generation. I`m excluding the US because they have been involved in every conflict since 1941.


But if you look at the global situation right now...every ingredient for a major war is there. It`s like a big Chess game...you place your piece and then go on the offensive. They are two powers emerging in the world right now: The European Union and China. They both want to compete with the US...and like it or not the US is losing more and more influence in the world. Every time they`re was more then one Super power..they would clashed in war...it's an historical fact.


Anyway....remember that nobody believed that WWII would happen....everybody wanted peace. It`s pretty much the same story now with North Korea , Iran , Israel , lebanon , syria and so on....

Actually it could happen soon....
We are long overdue to have a major conflict...if you look back in recent history a major war happens every 2 generations. And we are now in the third generation. I`m excluding the US because they have been involved in every conflict since 1941.

Not a World War-level war though, not one that decides the fate of the entire First World. That's historically been only every 120 to 150 years or so. We're about halfway there, maybe a little more if you account for today's more rapid progress. Cyclically, 2005 can be compared with that time in the late 19th century when Britain was still on top but it was becoming obvious that it wasn't going to be much longer; when Japan, Germany and the United States were on the rise and starting to expect (but not yet simply take) a greater share of world power (just as the same can be said of China and India today... the EU is still a question mark, though..). So I'm thinking we're somewhere in the 1860-1890 range right now, which would put the next world war still many decades in the future. We're certainly not into the 1890s yet, as China has neither surpassed the U.S. as the world's biggest economy nor has it begun to flex its military muscle at the expense of U.S. interests. That's when you'll know the war is only a couple decades away.

Depends. I know of some umm... let's say... ambitious US generals who regard the war on terrorism as WWIV, claiming Cold War was already WWIII. So, it's a matter of perspective. :p
Interesting... considering the Cold War wasn't actually a war.

A war between great powers is currently more likely than a world war. A world war requires fighting across the globe(I believe there has been about 8 wars classified as world wars). A war involving China might be the Chinese Spanish-American war, its first victory against a decaying great power. Perhaps after reconquering Taiwan they exchange blows with Japan or maybe even the US?

I have no doubt that in a few years the Dragon shall once again be the strongest nation on earth.

Actually it could happen soon....

We are long overdue to have a major conflict...if you look back in recent history a major war happens every 2 generations. And we are now in the third generation. I`m excluding the US because they have been involved in every conflict since 1941.

But if you look at the global situation right now...every ingredient for a major war is there. It`s like a big Chess game...you place your piece and then go on the offensive. They are two powers emerging in the world right now: The European Union and China. They both want to compete with the US...and like it or not the US is losing more and more influence in the world. Every time they`re was more then one Super power..they would clashed in war...it's an historical fact.



History has called the United States into action, and we will not let history down.
-- (George W. Bush) Apparently we owe history a war, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Jan. 29, 2003*

That brought a whole new meaning to the above quote.
I guess we do owe history a war, and Bush is the one to start it.
*dubyaspeak.com

Interesting... considering the Cold War wasn't actually a war.

Actually, many historians consider the Cold War as indeed being WWIII. An example:

Ex-CIA director: U.S. faces 'World War IV'
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) – Former CIA Director James Woolsey said Wednesday the United States is engaged in World War IV, and that it could continue for years.

In the address to a group of college students [at UCLA], Woolsey described the Cold War as the third world war and said "This fourth world war, I think, will last considerably longer than either World Wars I or II did for us. Hopefully not the full four-plus decades of the Cold War."

Isn't it sad how 5 words from the thread author developed this much of a thread?

Isn't it sad how 5 words from the thread author developed this much of a thread?
Dont you just <3 the internet?


Btw, WW2 (second generation internet) is in development. It is basically a seriers of changes in the major protocols (TCP/IP, RIP). As of today, if everyone got a computer, we would run out of IP addresses, because there are only 2-3 billion possible ones. WW2 is correcting that.

Actually, many historians consider the Cold War as indeed being WWIII. An example:

Ex-CIA director: U.S. faces 'World War IV'
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) – Former CIA Director James Woolsey said Wednesday the United States is engaged in World War IV, and that it could continue for years.

In the address to a group of college students [at UCLA], Woolsey described the Cold War as the third world war and said "This fourth world war, I think, will last considerably longer than either World Wars I or II did for us. Hopefully not the full four-plus decades of the Cold War."
Which is interesting, considering the Cold War wasn't actually a war. (A little redundant).

'nough said
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Which is interesting, considering the Cold War wasn't actually a war. (A little redundant).

If you think of it as a running conflict with numerous proxy battles that occured at flashpoints all over the world for 50 years...yes, it was a world war. It just took its time and never really got moving.

But if you absolutely insist on 2 sides sitting accross a river from one another with flags and pennants flying on either side of a line drawn in the sand...not so much. Vietnam, Korea, and all the thousands of brushfire conflicts were wars in of themselves; not battles within WW3.

Personally, I think of it as a world conflict that flared numerous times, not WW3 per se. I belive WW3 would have happened if the cold war ran hot, if things got out of hand and the two superpowers fought in earnest. The cold war is a much better description for it that WW3.

Living in a country that can probably sit and watch without getting involved (unless we get another WW2 Japan) is a good place to be as far as I can see it. I hope they have constant gory news coverage.

Technically it'd be World War 2, since the Great War from 1914-18 is hardly a "world war" (Europeans and USA, that was all). Also, technically WW2 was just part 2 of WW1, as Foche said about Versailles "this treaty is only a truce for 20 years".

And finally... who cares? If it happens, then it happens, I doubt anyone here would be able to prevent it if it would happen (even though, that's pretty unlikely). Who could possibly afford a war? The US? Not really, Iraq and Afghanistan are already gnawing on its military and economical potential. China? Why would they? They don't really have a good reason. Europe? Oh please... what's this "Europe" you're talking about. The EU wouldn't even be able to agree on the colour of shit.

Such a war would simply be too expensive for everyone. The future warfare won't be such great wars, those days are over.

I will be the cause of WW3... :mad:

My only intention is to destroy mankind.

Oookay, here I go:

Even if the Arab nations would attack Israel and the U.S. would join in and then China decided to go after Taiwan - I still don't see why the E.U. and the Russian Federation would join in that conflict... They would probably support Israel - but Taiwan? Don't think so!

Europe and the U.S. are economic adverseries as much as they are partners. Hell, Europe and Russia would probably sell weapons to China & the U.S. and thus boost their own economy. I truely do not believe that - apart from the U.S. - anybody would attack China for recapturing Taiwan since nobody but the U.S. regards it as a sovereign nation!

All the hassle you see right now between China and Japan has definitely to do with Japans ambitions to become a permanent member in the U.N. security council and China tries to prevent that by all means.

Remember that WW2 only happened because WW1 has not had a true solution (Germany "lost" the armistice of 1918 without a single enemy soldier on its own territory) and the Versailles Treaty did not accommodate for what lead to the Great War. Every nation in Europe has been preparing for conflict since the beginning of the 20th century and eager to settle their conflicts in a military clash. Putting the sole blame on Germany has lead to a feeling of open accounts, thus creating a breeding ground for WW2...

If there was a WW3 it would definitely not originate in Europe, that much I truely believe - and Russia would rather stay out of it or join sides with Europe rather than fighting 'again' in the West.

Tom Clancy's "The Bear and The Dragon" is an interesting read on this topic! (although it is purely fictional, Clancy is always good for some intriguing ideas)

By the way, has reading "1984" become mandatory in U.S. schools yet?

Btw, WW2 (second generation internet) is in development. It is basically a seriers of changes in the major protocols (TCP/IP, RIP). As of today, if everyone got a computer, we would run out of IP addresses, because there are only 2-3 billion possible ones. WW2 is correcting that.

AFAIK IPv6 is fixing the ~ 4,000,000,000 IP problem isn't it? It's changing IP addressing from 32bit to 128bit. Therefore ::1 would be your loopback address instead of 127.0.0.1. It's something I haven't looked into yet.

I'm not quite sure what other protocols you would have to change, after all TCP/IP has lasted us pretty well, and is designed for the node-based way the Internet works. Once Apache, Bind and IIS all recognise IPv6 we should be good to go, but it'll make remembering your IP a b**ch (i.e.: 2001:0db8:85a3:08d3:1319:8a2e:0370:7334)

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/nation/11432154.htm

Read this... it's scary if you think of what this might possibly mean.

The Vatican City acknowledges Taiwan!

We are long overdue to have a major conflict...if you look back in recent history a major war happens every 2 generations.

That was in a world without stealth bombers, drones, ICBMs and nuclear weapons. It's a no win situation if the major militarised nations were to fight among each other..... mutually assured destruction.

I guess we've entered a strange new era, in that for the rest of mankind's stay on this planet, nations will have to find alternatives to armed conflict if humanity is to survive!

If there was a WW3 it would definitely not originate in Europe

I definitely agree with you there, even ignoring that fact that both Britain and France now have nuclear arsenals. The EU has been a success in that regard. The central players (France/Germany/Britain/Belgium/Italy) in the last WWs are so closey entwined economically, that a war between them just can't happen!

Living in a country that can probably sit and watch without getting involved (unless we get another WW2 Japan) is a good place to be as far as I can see it. I hope they have constant gory news coverage.

Well with China, North Korea, India and Pakistan on one side and the American fleet on the other, you've definitely got a front row seat.

I personally believe that the attacks on 9/11 was just the beginning of the boiling pot for world war 3, Iraq is when it started to boil and the pot will boil over once China makes their move, This will be the biggest war in the history of mankind. It'll literally be east versus west. :sniper: :mp5:

I personally believe that the attacks on 9/11 was just the beginning of the boiling pot for world war 3, Iraq is when it started to boil and the pot will boil over once China makes their move, This will be the biggest war in the history of mankind. It'll literally be east versus west. :sniper: :mp5:

Unfortunately, I believe there seem to be many people who actually want a third world war. That's just scary. Just why can't people be reasonable and want peace? :confused:

Besides, i don't think that "east vs. west" conflict is ever going to happen. What's far more likely (and what's already happening, actually) is a conflict Muslim fundamentalists vs. the rest of the world.

I personally believe that the attacks on 9/11 was just the beginning of the boiling pot for world war 3, Iraq is when it started to boil and the pot will boil over once China makes their move, This will be the biggest war in the history of mankind. It'll literally be east versus west. :sniper: :mp5:

And it will all be televized!!! Yay!!!

*puts popcorn in microwave*

With several countries in possession of nuclear weapons, a large scale global war could devestate the entire world. I think the extinction of the human race is going to come at the hands of ourselves unless the human race decides to act civilised.

''India and China can together reshape the world order." - Indian Prime Minister


http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2005/04/13/pacts_signal_new_era_for_india_china/

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-04-12T065432Z_01_HOL221570_RTRUKOC_0_INDIA-CHINA.xml

Interesting, no?

''India and China can together reshape the world order." - Indian Prime Minister


http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2005/04/13/pacts_signal_new_era_for_india_china/

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-04-12T065432Z_01_HOL221570_RTRUKOC_0_INDIA-CHINA.xml

Interesting, no?
Hmm, Asian Alliance VS The US and/VS Europe

Umm....WWIII is already here. The international war on terror is WWIII.
No its not, please read over your quote World War must suggest that indeed the vast majority of the World are involved in a WAR on terrorism. While many states are actively trying to combat terrorism few but monkey man have actually openly declared war on terror..

No its not, please read over your quote World War must suggest that indeed the vast majority of the World are involved in a WAR on terrorism. While many states are actively trying to combat terrorism few but monkey man have actually openly declared war on terror..
Plus, you really can't declare war on an emotion, or on a tactic such as terrorism. It's just a metaphor.

Hmm, Asian Alliance VS The US and/VS Europe

Unlikely, Europe has too good relations towards China and India.

Ironically, though, in that case i'd almost tend toward the idea that the US will nuke China, Europe and India alltogether and solely rules over what will be left of the world afterwards! :D

WW3? I don't suppose anyone would bother bombing Cincinnati anymore.
I certainly don't want to die because of General Electric.

Unlikely, Europe has too good relations towards China and India.

Ironically, though, in that case i'd almost tend toward the idea that the US will nuke China, Europe and India alltogether and solely rules over what will be left of the world afterwards! :D
Remaining neutral in the situation of a WWIII won't be an easy task for the EU.

Technically it'd be World War 2, since the Great War from 1914-18 is hardly a "world war" (Europeans and USA, that was all). Also, technically WW2 was just part 2 of WW1, as Foche said about Versailles "this treaty is only a truce for 20 years".

Actually, Japan was part of WW1 too. They were on the American/France/GB side.

Ironically, though, in that case i'd almost tend toward the idea that the US will nuke China, Europe and India alltogether and solely rules over what will be left of the world afterwards!

And who will be left to buy Nikes, IBM compatibles, Coca-Cola and Big Macs? Africans?

Depends. I know of some umm... let's say... ambitious US generals who regard the war on terrorism as WWIV, claiming Cold War was already WWIII. So, it's a matter of perspective. :p


Wow! they must really like the concept of "world war"