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I just would like to know what the "public opinion" about this issue is, but asking someone in real life is a little embarrassing, and will not produce reliable results at all.

EDIT: If you want to, eplain why (especially if you belong to the minority)!

Oh, if it were evil, I'd have horns the size of you know what by now...

Edit: 2000th post! I guess that explains my love of self-love... :rolleyes: :p

Dude.. the vast majority of men AND women masturbate.. even hamsters do it. Its not evil, its a part of our biological nature, denying it is as dumb as denying your will to shit lol.

Unless you want to prove you can win your nature, like in a vow of abstinence. But that still doesnt make masturbation evil.

Seems kind of a silly thing to be considered 'evil'. T'ain't hurting anyone, and well... people like to feel good. Why should pleasuring yourself be any more evil than sun bathing or eating chocolate or whatever else makes you feel good?

...Unless, of course, killing people makes you feel good. That then could be branded as 'evil'. Socially unnacceptable anyway.

So all you who want to masturbate go out and do so! Each to his/her own.

Asking "Should one avoid masturbation?" and "Do you think sex with oneself is evil?" are two different things...

Do I think it is evil? No, of course not!

Do I think someone should avoid masturbation? Well, that depends on ths situation. There are some cases (most of them more rare cases) when someone should avoid masturbation. I know there are certian psychological disorders where one should avoid masturbation. I, personally, avoid it since I am in a relationship and feel that I can go to my partner for sexual pleasuring. Doesn't mean I'm against it by any means, it's just a personal preference. Keep in mind I'm also past my teenage years... ;)

Without masterbation, chastity devices would be kind of useless.

Asking "Should one avoid masturbation?" and "Do you think sex with oneself is evil?" are two different things...

Do I think it is evil? No, of course not!

Do I think someone should avoid masturbation? Well, that depends on ths situation. There are some cases (most of them more rare cases) when someone should avoid masturbation. I know there are certian psychological disorders where one should avoid masturbation. I, personally, avoid it since I am in a relationship and feel that I can go to my partner for sexual pleasuring. Doesn't mean I'm against it by any means, it's just a personal preference. Keep in mind I'm also past my teenage years... ;)

I wasn't thinking about special sitiuations when I posed the question.
But you have got a point, though one will think one has to avoid it if one thinks it is evil. The other way round it might be not that clear, but I cannot change it anymore. :mad:

Who doesn't masturbate?

If people could like their privates like dogs, they would, and never leave the house! Masturbation is not only good, it is necessary.

There is evidence that fetuses commit onanism.

Who doesn't masturbate?

Me. :)

If people could like their privates like dogs, they would, and never leave the house! Masturbation is not only good, it is necessary.

Most definitely. If i wasnt able to masturbate, i would go to a public place and :mp5: . I feel bad for the people with no arms. Not only can they not masturbate, but they cant get any :fluffle: either.

Me. :)

80% of people masturbate. The other 20% lie.

80% of people masturbate. The other 20% lie.

Maybe someone should open a poll on that ;) .

Devil's advocate time. I'm tired so this is going to be pretty basic and to the point.

Masturbation usually entails fantasy. Fantasizing about a person devalues them, since you are using them as a tool for your pleasure and not as a person with value. Therefor this habit is counterproductive to leading moral life and respecting others as human beings. Its kinda a messed up Kantian argument, but for the sake of argument there it is.

80% of people masturbate. The other 20% lie.

Naw. I'm just a freak of nature. Wires crossed wrong in my brain or something.

The only time that masterbation could be frowned upon is if you do it in public, other than that it is ok, no better than ok, it is great :D

"A baby boy may laugh in his crib while playing with his erect penis (although he does not ejaculate). Baby girls sometimes move their bodies rhythmically, almost violently, appearing to experience orgasm." -Human Sexuality: Diversity in Contemporary America
How can babies be bad?

Acording to wikipedia:
"In the animal kingdom, masturbation has been observed in the male of every species of mammal."
How the heck would dolphins do it?

Devil's advocate time. I'm tired so this is going to be pretty basic and to the point.

Masturbation usually entails fantasy. Fantasizing about a person devalues them, since you are using them as a tool for your pleasure and not as a person with value. Therefor this habit is counterproductive to leading moral life and respecting others as human beings. Its kinda a messed up Kantian argument, but for the sake of argument there it is.

I'm not devalued at all if fantasised about. Actually, it'd be kind of cool to know if someone did...

Mhhh... if there is no argument, there is no argument.
This thread is dead, in fact it never has been born, but the poll is interesting.
Maybe those who think masturbating is evil do not even dare to view this thread because they think it might be evil itself.

I'm not devalued at all if fantasised about. Actually, it'd be kind of cool to know if someone did...

In the sense that when you fantasize about people, you aren't thinking about the person. You're thinking about their body/ability to satisfy you. For anybody with a christian/kantian belief system this is considered morally wrong since it devalues them and as the theory goes you will be less inclined to treat them with humanity in your actual dealings with them. You're training your mind to discount people as things.

In the sense that when you fantasize about people, you aren't thinking about the person. You're thinking about their body/ability to satisfy you. For anybody with a christian/kantian belief system this is considered morally wrong since it devalues them and as the theory goes you will be less inclined to treat them with humanity in your actual dealings with them. You're training your mind to discount people.

Bt those peaple will never learn about it, and no one is harmed, there even is no chance that anyone is harmed.

In the sense that when you fantasize about people, you aren't thinking about the person. You're thinking about their body/ability to satisfy you. For anybody with a christian/kantian belief system this is considered morally wrong since it devalues them and as the theory goes you will be less inclined to treat them with humanity in your actual dealings with them. You're training your mind to discount people.

Maybe Christian, but not Kantian, as I want people to do the same for me. Or are you talking of some other Kant?

In the sense that when you fantasize about people, you aren't thinking about the person. You're thinking about their body/ability to satisfy you. For anybody with a christian/kantian belief system this is considered morally wrong since it devalues them and as the theory goes you will be less inclined to treat them with humanity in your actual dealings with them. You're training your mind to discount people.
surely by finding someone sexually attractive you are doing the same thing?

how can that be wrong? :confused:

we would die out if nobody found anybody attractive

I like hand sex, sooo nice

Maybe Christian, but not Kantian, as I want people to do the same for me. Or are you talking of some other Kant?

Act only as you could will your action to be universal law is one. But the other is treat humanity always as an end and never as a means. There is some confusion here. I'm not saying its wrong to find people desirable or want them to do the same, but fantasy isn't about the person. Its about using the person. This clearly breaks laws of christianity and kantian ethics.

Since we're all agreeing like a buch of hippies, I will play devil's advocate:

ONANISM IS WRONG, just look at the derivation of the word: Onan, who I quote:
"And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also." -Genisis 38:8-10
God killed Onan for doing something that looked like masterbation to the (omnipotent) God, ergo it is WRONG.

one could also add that you could not will the action of fantasy to be universal law since it is disrespectful to the person.

Act only as you could will your action to be universal law is one. But the other is treat humanity always as an end and never as a means. There is some confusion here. I'm not saying its wrong to find people desirable or want them to do the same, but fantasy isn't about the person. Its about using the person. This clearly breaks laws of christianity and kantian ethics.

Who would you be to say that fantasy is about using the person? What if you like being used?

Since we're all agreeing like a buch of hippies, I will play devil's advocate:

ONANISM IS WRONG, just look at the derivation of the word: Onan, who I quote:
"And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also." -Genisis 38:8-10
God killed Onan for doing something that looked like masterbation to the (omnipotent) God, ergo it is WRONG.

that is because God told him to make her pregnant and he decided not to, thus he pissed God off, ask your minister to explain it to you more properly before putting it on a forum.

Since we're all agreeing like a buch of hippies, I will play devil's advocate:

ONANISM IS WRONG, just look at the derivation of the word: Onan, who I quote:
"And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also." -Genisis 38:8-10
God killed Onan for doing something that looked like masterbation to the (omnipotent) God, ergo it is WRONG.
should God not kill every male then for sending sperm down the toilet in their urine?

that is because God told him to make her pregnant and he decided not to, thus he pissed God off, ask your minister to explain it to you more properly before putting it on a forum.
Minister? I see no minister, I support my local pedo.. priest.
From whitehouse.org:
God was so offended when Onan spilled his seed upon the ground that God struck Onan dead! It is true that Onan wasn't masturbating, but the point is that God hates it when men waste sperm, no matter what the reason.

Minister? I see no minister, I support my local pedo.. priest.
From whitehouse.org:
God was so offended when Onan spilled his seed upon the ground that God struck Onan dead! It is true that Onan wasn't masturbating, but the point is that God hates it when men waste sperm, no matter what the reason.
so (going by the Christian belief that God created everything), why did he make it that men waste sperm every time they go to the toilet?

does he like having reasons to hate us?

so (going by the Christian belief that God created everything), why did he make it that men waste sperm every time they go to the toilet?

does he like having reasons to hate us?
YES, YES, and YES. I AM A MALTHEIST.
Back to being the Devil's Advocate:
God is testing us. Ony true Christians will not waste sperm by peeing. They will get one of thoes things that go into your gut. (Oh I wish I hadn't gone to a christian school where they taught me that bats are birds)

Since we're all agreeing like a buch of hippies, I will play devil's advocate:

ONANISM IS WRONG, just look at the derivation of the word: Onan, who I quote:
"And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also." -Genisis 38:8-10
God killed Onan for doing something that looked like masterbation to the (omnipotent) God, ergo it is WRONG.

I think there's a problem if an omnipotent God can't tell the difference between masturbation and the pull-out method.

How can one thing be entirely evil anyway? To all things there must be a balance, to retain a homeostasis.

I think there's a problem if an omnipotent God can't tell the difference between masturbation and the pull-out method.
ONANISM means both. Look it up.

Minister? I see no minister, I support my local pedo.. priest.
From whitehouse.org:
God was so offended when Onan spilled his seed upon the ground that God struck Onan dead! It is true that Onan wasn't masturbating, but the point is that God hates it when men waste sperm, no matter what the reason.

try reading the scriptures that are around that one, his brother died, God says marry your brothers widow and make her pregnant, he decides that he does not want to continue his brothers line which is what God wanted him to do, if you want to use scripture to say tossing off is bad then you should be using "you shall not commit adaultary", commiting adaultary and tossing off are as bad as each other in Gods eyes. But that still does not stop me from tossing off in the shower.

Is anyone here married and still toss off? I am married and still use my hand.
waits for the shock horror messages

You may need to realize that ths may not be a curse from God, but hyperbolic language. When you write in a language with no punctuation marks, the only way ot emphasize something is via hyperbole. God won't necessarily kill you, he just would prefer you don't do that. If every time God promised to kill us or give us something for something, why would he make Covenants? Covenants are the real promises of God. the rest is hyperbole.Or at least,t aht's what I was taught in Confirmation.

P.S. If you happen to be Christian, you most likely believe in a Merciful God who won't kill you for jerkin' it anyways.

Who would you be to say that fantasy is about using the person? What if you like being used?

Well.... lets be honest here. When we fantasize, do we have elaborate visions about the person and the meaningful relationship we could have with them? No, it usually involves drilling them, probably in an exotic location. This is A. using the person as a means and not an end, and B. acting in such a way as we wouldn't want others to act towards us. When I say relationship I dont neccesarilly mean the christian sense of marriage, but even in some way connecting with them and having a meaningful relationship. If they just want sex, that could ethically be ok as long as they are complicit in the choice. When you fantisize you aren't giving the person a choice, and you are training yourself to treat them in the same way in real life as you do in your fantasy, fostering bad moral precedent.

as for your other question... aren't you just arguing for the sake of argument now? The above argument still applies.

Devil's Advocate Speaking:
Being a fundamentalist christian, I am still waiting for god to kill all homosexuals and people who wear clothes with two kinds of fabric in them.

P.S. What does math have to do with it? (Again the christian schools)

Well.... lets be honest here. When we fantasize, do we have elaborate visions about the person and the meaningful relationship we could have with them? No, it usually involves drilling them, probably in an exotic location. This is A. using the person as a means and not an end, and B. acting in such a way as we wouldn't want others to act towards us. When I say relationship I dont neccesarilly mean the christian sense of marriage, but even in some way connecting with them and having a meaningful relationship. If they just want sex, that could ethically be ok as long as they are complicit in the choice. When you fantisize you aren't giving the person a choice, and you are training yourself to treat them in the same way in real life as you do in your fantasy, fostering bad moral precedent.

as for your other question... aren't you just arguing for the sake of argument now? The above argument still applies.
didnt you see my question?

surely finding someone attractive is a similar thing (fantasising about sleeping with them, and giving them no choice in the attraction), and how can that be wrong?

Do you think they will *sticky* this topic :D

yeah right come on it isn't doing anyone any harm if you masturbate, as nobody else is involved and in most cases it is done discreetly unless u force someone to watch u do it which is totally out of order.To fantasise about somone is not forcing anything on the individual they are fantasising about as they have no idea they are doing it ,freedom of thought should be cherished.

I feel bad for the people with no arms. Not only can they not masturbate, but they cant get any :fluffle: either.
People without arms learn to do great things with their legs and mouths!

Me. :)
How old are you?

yeah right come on it isn't doing anyone any harm if you masturbate, as nobody else is involved and in most cases it is done discreetly unless u force someone to watch u do it which is totally out of order.To fantasise about somone is not forcing anything on the individual they are fantasising about as they have no idea they are doing it ,freedom of thought should be cherished.
"Theological experts on masturbation have come to the conclusion that masturbation is what is known as a "gateway" sin. This means that masturbation leads to more serious offenses. In fact, practically all rapists, sodomites, child molesters and pornography addicts started out as masturbators." -Whitehouse.org

didnt you see my question?

surely finding someone attractive is a similar thing (fantasising about sleeping with them, and giving them no choice in the attraction), and how can that be wrong?

There is a difference I think at least. for one the physical attraction you're talking about is largely involuntary and has little to do with our reason which Kantian ethics focuses on so much. Fantasy is a willed choice people make. Attraction can be acted on in a multitude of ways, not all of them immoral.

To all things there must be a balance, to retain a homeostasis.
Well, 'homeostasis' sounds a bit like "homosexual", so it can't be a very good thing. I say we ban it. We can ban balance while we're at it too.

:D

There is a difference I think at least. for one the physical attraction you're talking about is largely involuntary and has little to do with our reason which Kantian ethics focuses on so much. Fantasy is a willed choice people make. Attraction can be acted on in a multitude of ways, not all of them immoral.
fantasy can be acted on in a multitude of ways, not all of them immoral.

Masterbation reduces the chance of prostate cancer, so I'm going to have to saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay avoidance = death

*SNIP*
-Whitehouse.org
Oh, I do so love that site!

yeah right come on it isn't doing anyone any harm if you masturbate, as nobody else is involved and in most cases it is done discreetly unless u force someone to watch u do it which is totally out of order.To fantasise about somone is not forcing anything on the individual they are fantasising about as they have no idea they are doing it ,freedom of thought should be cherished.

If this was responding to my posts you're missing alot of the argument. Whether or not the person "finds out" is irellevant. You are fostering a bad moral attitude towards people.

How old are you?

Seventeen. Like I said, freak of nature. Body doesn't ask for it, so I don't bother.

fantasy can be acted on in a multitude of ways, not all of them immoral.

Yes.... but theres a key difference between acting on fantasy and on attraction. Attraction is a feeling. Kant talks about these often, constantly welling up and battling to overcome reason. Men know about these very acutely, finding themselves thinking about a women without trying. The key is that we must put down these thoughts with rational thinking. When we actively fantasize we have made a choice. Whether we make more bad choices on top of that is a different story. Obviously it would be better to fantasize and not act on it than to fantasize and then rape the person or something, but neither is good. Also, in a Kantian theory the former makes it easier for one to do the latter.

The Bible is always right. Reality may differ.

ONANISM is wrong. Proof:
The opposite of wrong is what: right.
The opposite of right is what: left.
We all know that the left is wrong.
The opposite of an opposite is the same.
Ergo Onanism is wrong. (10 points if you can spot the fallacies)

Well, 'homeostasis' sounds a bit like "homosexual", so it can't be a very good thing. I say we ban it. We can ban balance while we're at it too.

:D

Uh...right. Under that, you'd consider "homo sapiens" a very bad thing, hating your own existence. Of course, that's allowed, but it's simply stupid. And homosexuality isn't bad, nor is it good, it's just simply there. Like heterosexuality. *shrug*

Anyway, masturbation is normal, fun, and perfectly OK. There's nothing wrong with it, as most humans need to relieve themselves sexually. Masturbation by males (especially those in their 20s) also helps to prevent prostate cancer, according to a scientific study.

EDIT: As soon as I found out you swing the same way I do, I realized you were being sarcastic. Apologies. :P

Uh...right. Under that, you'd consider "homo sapiens" a very bad thing, hating your own existence. Of course, that's allowed, but it's simply stupid. And homosexuality isn't bad, nor is it good, it's just simply there. Like heterosexuality. *shrug*

Anyway, masturbation is normal, fun, and perfectly OK. There's nothing wrong with it, as most humans need to relieve themselves sexually. Masturbation by males (especially those in their 20s) also helps to prevent prostate cancer, according to a scientific study.
What makes everyone think that they have the right to extra-marital and extra-hetero orgasams?
Interesting bit of proof. (http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/images/chart.gif)

What makes everyone think that they have the right to extra-marital and extra-hetero orgasams?

Because we do...?

God believes in the sanctitiy of every quasi-life form, including sperm, eggs, HIV, and for that matter fire.

WE MUST KILL ALL FIREMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fire is often seen as divine might (I.E. The buring bush) firemen are sinners of the worst kind. They revert the wrath of GOD!

perfectly natural act and often used as a release from stress - not that I would EVER do such a thing being female an all ;)

Seventeen. Like I said, freak of nature. Body doesn't ask for it, so I don't bother.
That's well and good. If you don't mind me asking, do you feel sexual attraction?

perfectly natural act and often used as a release from stress - not that I would EVER do such a thing being female an all ;)
This confuses me. You know that female "self-pleasuring" also counts as masturbation, right?

ONANISM means both. Look it up.

Onanism is a word made up by humans, unless, of course, you are going to suggest that God personally makes up words and forces them into use?

The Bible is always right. Reality may differ.

ONANISM is wrong. Proof:
The opposite of wrong is what: right.
The opposite of right is what: left.
We all know that the left is wrong.
The opposite of an opposite is the same.
Ergo Onanism is wrong. (10 points if you can spot the fallacies)

Wow. Actually, the ability to competently argue one's point competently makes them CORRECT or INCORRECT. Hiding behind a shield of "right=correct, left=wrong/incorrect" is not.

Anyway, I believe that masturbating is gross, but not inherently evil. To each his own. I don't do it, (couldn't get any enjoyment from it, felt disgusting and messy) but it's un reasonable to try to stop other people.

perfectly natural act and often used as a release from stress - not that I would EVER do such a thing being female an all ;)
As a female you only receive a handful of eggs. It is your duty in the eye's of god to turn every last one of them into a baby (Same go's for sperm but you cant marry more than one woman can you? not god's problem).
"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

That's well and good. If you don't mind me asking, do you feel sexual attraction?

Nope! I currently hold status as a nonsexual person.

This confuses me. You know that female "self-pleasuring" also counts as masturbation, right?

:rolleyes:

yes I am more than aware of that being a psychology graduate and an ex nurse

I was alluding to the fact that masturbation in women is seen as less acceptable than masturbation in men alot of the time

Wow. Actually, the ability to competently argue one's point competently makes them CORRECT or INCORRECT. Hiding behind a shield of "right=correct, left=wrong/incorrect" is not.

Anyway, I believe that masturbating is gross, but not inherently evil. To each his own. I don't do it, (couldn't get any enjoyment from it, felt disgusting and messy) but it's un reasonable to try to stop other people.
Did you read the part about Devil's Advocate? I don't actually believe any of this stuff.

Onanism is a word made up by humans, unless, of course, you are going to suggest that God personally makes up words and forces them into use?
No, thoes people are DIVINELY INSPIRED.

As a female you only receive a handful of eggs. It is your duty in the eye's of god to turn every last one of them into a baby

I tell you what as a single parent mum who struggles to support herself and her child with no help from a bankrupt ex husband I will go forth and sleep with indescriminate men and have thousands of babies if fundamentalist short sighted prats pay to support me and my brood

if not I shall continue to work full time, support the single child I have and keep my legs crossed unless I fancy 'clicking my mouse button' in the privacy of my own home thanks!

I was alluding to the fact that masturbation in women is seen as less acceptable than masturbation in men alot of the time
I've never heard of that, but I have noticed that for some illogical reason masturbation is more readily associated with men than with women in our culture.

I tell you what as a single parent mum who struggles to support herself and her child with no help from a bankrupt ex husband I will go forth and sleep with indescriminate men and have thousands of babies if fundamentalist short sighted prats pay to support me and my brood

if not I shall continue to work full time, support the single child I have and keep my legs crossed unless I fancy 'clicking my mouse button' in the privacy of my own home thanks!
Not God's problem.

"A baby boy may laugh in his crib while playing with his erect penis (although he does not ejaculate). Baby girls sometimes move their bodies rhythmically, almost violently, appearing to experience orgasm." -Human Sexuality: Diversity in Contemporary America
How can babies be bad?

Acording to wikipedia:
"In the animal kingdom, masturbation has been observed in the male of every species of mammal."
How the heck would dolphins do it?


Dolphins prob dun need to. They worse than us when it comes to screwing around.

Not God's problem.

not mine either

I dont believe in God :p

Dolphins prob dun need to. They worse than us when it comes to screwing around.
And that's why God is killing them off.

as to the objectifying fantasies bit>

how about if you are fantasizing about somehting that had already happened, with a loving partner? (guess its not really fantasizing, more reliving or something)

would that still be objectification?

80% of people masturbate. The other 20% lie.

HAHA!

Dude, what denomitation ARE you? Christian, ?maltheist?, or what? And what are you trying to prove by your arguments?

I don't know but I pretending to be a christian who believes in biblical inerrancy.
I like to argue.

Dude, what denomitation ARE you? Christian, ?maltheist?, or what? And what are you trying to prove by your arguments?
If you hadn't noticed, s/he said s/he was playing Devil's Advocate in this argument. Assuming we're both thinking of the same person.

Devil's advocate time. I'm tired so this is going to be pretty basic and to the point.

Masturbation usually entails fantasy. Fantasizing about a person devalues them, since you are using them as a tool for your pleasure and not as a person with value. Therefor this habit is counterproductive to leading moral life and respecting others as human beings. Its kinda a messed up Kantian argument, but for the sake of argument there it is.
Technically that would be the position of a Cheese Sauce's Advocate.

Masturbation is fun, there's nothing wrong with it. The only time when it would have adverse effects on behaviour is if there was an underlying mental problem.

As for all of you, "OMG guyz, masturbation is wrong b3cause G0d said so!", God's rules only apply to those who believe in him. I believe in Satan and he says it's fine, so using your logic that a deity demanding it makes it right, masturbation is right, so shut up.

I don't know if you remember but one of the cabinent members During the Clinton Administration wanted to teach Masutrbation as a from of birth control. Can you imagine sitting at the dinner table with your parents and they ask, "So, Billy, What did you learn in school today?"

"Well, Mom and Dad, today in masturbation class..."

I'm sorry i thought i would share that with you.

But think about it. All the loanly men in the world would end up killing them selves due to lack of Sex. :headbang:

Masturbation is fine just as long as you don't publicize it.

and if you do the following: Lock the door and pull the shade and clean up after your self. other than that it is fine.

Lol. This is a funny topic.

Like someone stated, 80% masturbate, 20% lie. So true. There's nothing WRONG with it, but if you asked a priest, you'd probably get maced. Ahh Catholics.

But no, it's not evil, in fact it's holy!

Technically that would be the position of a Cheese Sauce's Advocate.

Masturbation is fun, there's nothing wrong with it. The only time when it would have adverse effects on behaviour is if there was an underlying mental problem.

I'm not really sure how to respond to this since it doesn't actually address or attempt to refute any of my arguments. In this argument there is things wrong with it since it teaches you to devalue people.

as to the objectifying fantasies bit>

how about if you are fantasizing about somehting that had already happened, with a loving partner? (guess its not really fantasizing, more reliving or something)

would that still be objectification?

An interesting position and one I've kind of thought about. On the one hand, the person you are fantasizing about isn't complicit in the fantasy, but on the other hand they kind of were already. And as you said its a memory and not a fantasy. Either way you are still using the person as a means and not an end.... unless you somehow believe its good for the relationship.... even though you might be lying to play head games to justify it to yourself. This point is certainly arguable. To be honest this whole thing is getting a little pedantic and confusing to me. :P

1. When in public one should not masturbate police don't like it...
2.When your having sex with your lover don't roll over and jack off...
Other than that do it I mean every one does.. it's natural if you meet somone who says they don't they're lying and if they say they didn't like it theyre lying! :eek:

Masturbation is the personal business of oneself. It's socially unacceptable in public but in private, it's none of anyone else's business but their own.

It's actually pretty healthy too:


Relieves menstrual cramps (for Females)
Cures insomnia
Stimulates immune system
Releases mood elevating hormones
Reduces spontaneous erections (for Males)


Source: http://www.coolnurse.com/masturbation.htm

If you hadn't noticed, s/he said s/he was playing Devil's Advocate in this argument. Assuming we're both thinking of the same person.

i feel so stupid now...

i feel so stupid now...

dont, I didnt realise either til I re-read the thread :)

i feel so stupid now...
That's ok, God wants you to be stupid:
"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." -Genisis 11:4-7