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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/04/16/politics-polls050416.html


Yaaa! Finally we will have a government that is not corrupt, well at least for a few years anyways.

Remember to vote NDP if you hate harper! :)

I love it when conservatives win over liberals. Go Canada, go. :fluffle:

Aughh, Corivau's "memory ailment" tactic is so utterly unoriginal. I'd like to see him claim six months' vacation in south america, then dissapear. Truthfully, when the man at the top, Chretien, in our case, is even a little corrupt, it sends a bad massage down through all layers of government: "I don't care, I am not someone to look up to, go nuts". WHY can't anyone lead by example?!

Go NDP Go.

Actaully, I don't want an election. Its a huge waste of money, and I don't think Martin had anything to do with it. But the Liberals will pay when the time comes, nonetheless.

Actaully, I don't want an election. Its a huge waste of money, and I don't think Martin had anything to do with it. But the Liberals will pay when the time comes, nonetheless.
We've wasted too much money to stop now :headbang:

Although I didn't mind the Tories so much, I hate this newly merged Conservative Party. I am a Liberal at heart but Justice Gomery is really turning me off from supporting the Liberals if there is an election.

SO my vote goes to the NDP :D

SO my vote goes to the NDP :DWOOOoooo!!

WOOOoooo!!
You're another Candadian?

~faints~

~moves to Canadia from Australia~

They're pretty similar anyway, apart from the fact that A) Canadia is wetter, and B) Canadia is closer to a dense mass of stupidity :p

Maybe I'll just protest and vote BQ...

I am sick and tired of people who are turning off the Liberals. Why should Paul Marting be punished, when it was Chretiens regime. I don't think Stephen Harper would be better than Martin.

Also I am a NDP'er.

You're another Candadian?

~faints~

~moves to Canadia from Australia~

They're pretty similar anyway, apart from the fact that A) Canadia is wetter, and B) Canadia is closer to a dense mass of stupidity :p
Indeed I am! I'd be glad to see you anytime Mr. Spaam.

...oh, and Australia didn't sign Kyoto :(

I’m here to set you strait

Although the polls show that Liberals are down in popularity that doesn’t tell us at all what an election outcome would be.

Go NDP eh? The vote splitting between Liberals and conservatives in a new election would loose the NDP seats in the Parliament too.

What if they don’t want an election? If you refer to parliamentary rules there is no rule that says an election must be called after a vote of non confidence. Liberals could stay in power for the rest of our mandate; or they could do something mush worse to the Conservatives.

Paul martin could resign and the governor general would ask Steven Harper to form the government.
If Harper says no, that’s telling the Canadian people he’s not willing to be prime minister in a minority situation (not up to the challenge).
If Harper accepts, the entire Liberals problem would become his. The Bloc would be hounding him; the NDP would be running their socialist propaganda machine as always. Liberals would have to prop up Harpers minority government, and if he calls an election before the 4th year, that looks very self serving no?
The future election would see Quebec voters more friendly to Liberals, and any failure to crackdown on corruption would be the conservatives fault now.

And what do you feel more appalled by? The notion of 100 million being wasted or Knowing that 600 million was wasted on self serving Conservative forced elections in one year?

The NDP don't want an election, the Bloq doesn't want an election and I doubt the Liberals want one, so the government shouldn't fall anytime soon.

I am sick and tired of people who are turning off the Liberals. Why should Paul Marting be punished, when it was Chretiens regime. I don't think Stephen Harper would be better than Martin.

Also I am a NDP'er.

Umm... Paul Martin has been part of Chretiens "regime" for ages. In fact he has been making very questionable decisions and blunders for years as a minister appointed by Chretien. The liberals may switch leaders all they want but every year its the same people being shifted around to similar places in power so that there is an illusion of change.

Indeed I am! I'd be glad to see you anytime Mr. Spaam.

...oh, and Australia didn't sign Kyoto :(
I think there are a lot of ppl who want to see me... aren't I so lucky? :D ;)

And yeah, pretty pissed off about that...

Umm... Paul Martin has been part of Chretiens "regime" for ages. In fact he has been making very questionable decisions and blunders for years as a minister appointed by Chretien. The liberals may switch leaders all they want but every year its the same people being shifted around to similar places in power so that there is an illusion of change.

The Liberal party had a civil war last year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Liberal_Party_of_Canada_infighting

Martin Won, Chretien loyalists Lost.

If an election is called I don't know who to support. Their seems to be a lot of corruption in the Liberal party, Harper's more right wing then I prefer, and the NDP are irrisponsible with spending. In a perfect world it would be the Tory's with Peter McKay, but I don't think that's possible anymore.

i just hope that the conservatives can pick up a few more seats before the same sex marriage vote. i think Harper would make a good PM.

i just hope that the conservatives can pick up a few more seats before the same sex marriage vote. i think Harper would make a good PM.

Segrigation is a good idea eh? Stoping gays from getting married.
After that we can make gays use seperate washrooms, and sit at the back of the bus.

Segrigation is a good idea eh? Stoping gays from getting married.
After that we can make gays use seperate washrooms, and sit at the back of the bus.Yeah, and then require them to purchase Pumas and speak in high-pitched voices. Then we can regulate the jobs they can have: home decorators and hair-dressers.
Grand.

maybe they should use different wasrooms. i mean isn't that why we have male and female washrooms?

Wait, wait, wait. So there are Canadians that AREN'T pinko- leftist commies?

yup, i'm one of them.

maybe they should use different wasrooms. i mean isn't that why we have male and female washrooms?Are you KIDDING me? HAh!!!
go back to Alberta or something, okay?

I think Harper will probably resist the call to bring down the government, at least until fall. If he waits until then, he gets bonus points for 'waiting until all the facts come in' and not 'pandering to Quebec' - since the Bloc will be the only ones to support the Conservatives (at this point) should he try to bring down the government.

Since some of the biggest beefs Westerners have (and certainly much more longstanding) is not so much Adscam as alienation from watching political parties bend over to try to keep Quebec happy, the Conservatives need to keep their grassroots from accusing them of Quebec-pandering as well.

Not that working to keep Quebec in the country is necessarily a bad thing. But it has a sour taste to a lot of Conservative voters.

My Canada includes Quebec.

yup, i'm one of them.

Alright! *gives five*

I should rethink the whole moving to Canada thing....

Are you KIDDING me? HAh!!!
go back to Alberta or something, okay?

British Columbia :)

If an election is called I don't know who to support. Their seems to be a lot of corruption in the Liberal party, Harper's more right wing then I prefer, and the NDP are irrisponsible with spending. In a perfect world it would be the Tory's with Peter McKay, but I don't think that's possible anymore.

Did you see the budgets in the platforms provided by the parties last election? The Conservatives were prepared to spend 4 billion dollars more than the NDP. Both budgets planned to spend more than the Liberals.

Who did you say was supposed to be irresponsible with spending?

British Columbia :)

On behalf of other British Columbians I banish you to Alberta. ;P

Yo, yo, yo.

I see way too much hatin'.

Of course the NDP are truly a worthwhile cause. But given that 87% of Canadians DO NOT WANT an election, it would be bad form to support the Conartists in their little ditty of prissy anger-mongering. Besides, if this happens, the CPC has no bloody clue what to do with the Quebecois, natives or Acadians. And they would so totally cause A: a thousand Oka conflicts, B: seperation of Quebec (Mulrooney led us to just over 50% due to Meech Lake...Let's not repeat that).

We here in Canada totally need to ensure that the Liberals are punished and the CPC never gains ground. I'd say that if we could somehow ensure that the 4 big parties basically split parliament into quarters, that would be pretty cool. Or if we would just get in line with intelligent countries and drop FPTP and bring in STV/PR or even PB we'd totally be having a better HoC.

edit:: I should totally include the fact that Duceppe wants to lead the PQ and drop the BQ as one of the major reasons for the Bloc wanting to get a new election.

On behalf of other British Columbians I banish you to Alberta. ;P

i've actually never been there... is it nice?

I love it when conservatives win over liberals. Go Canada, go. :fluffle:

There is a difference between conservatives winning over liberals and a mass exodus from one party to annother that has done everything it can to make itself look exactly the same. The reality is this country loves its Liberal party and though we might get a Conservative minority for a while or even <gasp> a majority, it won't be long before we are back to the liberals. Plus I'm always taken aback by American Republican support for the Canadian Conservative party. You do realize that you make our Conservative party look like married gay communists that work at abortion clinics.

I'm certainly no conservative, and I daren't call myself a liberal either, but am I the only person in this country perplexed at the fact that we are spending more on *fixing* this corruption than the corruption cost in the first place? It's starting to make me think, should we maybe just close Parliament all together and get everything done with envelopes stuffed with cash?

My View:
The Liberals are not the best party to have in power. However, The alternative, is the new Conservative party, which simply removed the word and policy "progressive" from the PCs. Harper and the rest of the intolerant wing nuts scare me sh*tless. If you want Bush, head south, that’s how I feel.

NDP: Can't get support while the conservative party is any kind of real threat, unless they can pass the liberals in the polls, or at least close the gap a bit.

BQ: There's success depends on wither Martin & the Liberals can get support up in Quebec, as he is trying to.

Green: The number of votes the greens will get depends on how important Canadians feel the election is. Sure, the Greens have some dedicated voters, but they need the protest vote to get a seat.

In case your wondering, I voted Marxist-Leninist last election, mostly out of protest. This time I'm thinking I might go Green, as I like their economic plans.

BCers of every stripe! Vote for STV in the provincial election in May.

If we approve it and use it in following elections, the rest of Canada may someday follow.

i've actually never been there... is it nice?

Actually, it is pretty nice. I grew up near Fort St John, which is pretty close to the Alberta border, and even now that I live in Victoria, I often take holidays there. I have a sister in Calgary, I like Spruce Meadows, and the Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumheller is AWESOME.

In case your wondering, I voted Marxist-Leninist last election, mostly out of protest. This time I'm thinking I might go Green, as I like their economic plans.

omg i remember watching the last federal election coverage and a riding in Ontario had the ML party leading for awhile, sure only a few dozen votes had been counted by then but i was pretty freaked out.

edit:: I should totally include the fact that Duceppe wants to lead the PQ and drop the BQ as one of the major reasons for the Bloc wanting to get a new election.Really? I don't know much about Duceppe, but where did you get this from?
BCers of every stripe! Vote for STV in the provincial election in May.

If we approve it and use it in following elections, the rest of Canada may someday follow.Yes indeed! There's actually a very good NDP candidate in my riding that I'm excited about: Gregor Roberson, the owner of the insanly good, outrageously overpriced, Happy Planet Juices.

omg i remember watching the last federal election coverage and a riding in Ontario had the ML party leading for awhile, sure only a few dozen votes had been counted by then but i was pretty freaked out.

That was hilarious.

My roommate and I figured that they must have counted the voting box at the nearest university. The CBC strugged to find a symbol for them to put up on their ticker.

That was hilarious.

My roommate and I figured that they must have counted the voting box at the nearest university. The CBC strugged to find a symbol for them to put up on their ticker.

My old local news anchor, looked peeved when he saw that. It was pretty funny.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/04/16/politics-polls050416.html


Yaaa! Finally we will have a government that is not corrupt, well at least for a few years anyways.

Remember to vote NDP if you hate harper! :)
Harper just wants power and is willing to risk loading Quebec with more separtists in the Federal government, and for what.....a minority government that won't work.

90% of people stated in the polls that they would like to see the Gomery Commission to deliver its' verdict before going to the polls, so there could be a backlash against the Conservatives for forcing an election.

Paul martin could resign and the governor general would ask Steven Harper to form the government.
If Harper says no, that’s telling the Canadian people he’s not willing to be prime minister in a minority situation (not up to the challenge).
This would be the best bet of all!! It would be sweet for Liberal supporters, because Harper really wouldn't be able to handle the situation very well, for the very reasons you state below:

If Harper accepts, the entire Liberals problem would become his. The Bloc would be hounding him; the NDP would be running their socialist propaganda machine as always. Liberals would have to prop up Harpers minority government, and if he calls an election before the 4th year, that looks very self serving no?

Interesting possibility but for some reason, I don't see that happening.

"Really? I don't know much about Duceppe, but where did you get this from?"

His speeches :)

Plus, I thought it was fairly common knowledge to the politically endowed.

This would be the best bet of all!! It would be sweet for Liberal supporters, because Harper really wouldn't be able to handle the situation very well, for the very reasons you state below:


Interesting possibility but for some reason, I don't see that happening.

Its happened once or twice. The King-Byng Affair was the last time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King-Byng_Affair