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yet im not surprised that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding, have firmly chosen death over life.

:confused: huh?

/me backs away slowly.......Ooooooooooo K

:confused:

I have a feeling I know what you're talking about, but let's hear the explanation.

I sincerely hope you are not one of them.

yet im not surprised that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding, have firmly chosen death over life.

No, I choose death over a totalitarian theocracy. The "right to life" is none of the government's business. :mad:

yet im not surprised that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding, have firmly chosen death over life.

If you choose death, wouldn't you be dead, and therefore not posting this?

He's obviously talking about suicide. It's a problem. In my country, someone kills themselves every week and it's usually a male between 14 and 24 years old.

He's obviously a vampire come to convince us to join him in his unholy curse.

He's obviously talking about suicide. It's a problem. In my country, someone kills themselves every week and it's usually a male between 14 and 24 years old.

Oh, I thought he was talking about abortion/euthanasia. In this case, I have to apologize for my earlier outburst. :(

He's obviously a vampire come to convince us to join him in his unholy curse.
Ok, I'll join up. Hell, I loved Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and I like Angel.

I have to disagree with you because it all depends how you look at it. I don't look at life as a physiological state but a spiritual state. For instance, Terri Schiavo was physiologically a living person however she wasn't a living person spiritually. I don't like suicide but I understand that some people are in too much pain. Have you met someone who commited suicde or was suicidal? There's not mush spirit there, is there? That's because they're already dead.

yet im not surprised that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding, have firmly chosen death over life.
:(

They may not have much spirit at time they kill themselves, but they have potential to be happy, especially if we're talking about youth who will eventually get out of the violent spirit crushing indoctinating day-prison that passes for public education(at least here in the states).

Meh, let people do what they want.

14 replies and no response? Me claim troll. Me hunt troll. Me skin troll so woman can get new coat. *raises spear in a threatening tone*
Addition- Found that troll is young, easy kill for woman, me happy

Meh, let people do what they want.
Very cold, dude. Most people who kill themselves don't stop to think about the negative impact doing so will have on those who care about thim, and indeed, upon all of us.

Suicide is usually either because the person is clinically depressed and doesn't know that it's temporary, or because they want to hurt someone else. Either way, it's never, ever, under any circumstances "a way out."

Very cold, dude. Most people who kill themselves don't stop to think about the negative impact doing so will have on those who care about thim, and indeed, upon all of us.

Suicide is usually either because the person is clinically depressed and doesn't know that it's temporary, or because they want to hurt someone else. Either way, it's never, ever, under any circumstances "a way out."
"suicide is the most selfish thing a person can do"
I dunno who said it but never a more honest statement has ever been made

Very cold, dude. Most people who kill themselves don't stop to think about the negative impact doing so will have on those who care about thim, and indeed, upon all of us.

Suicide is usually either because the person is clinically depressed and doesn't know that it's temporary, or because they want to hurt someone else. Either way, it's never, ever, under any circumstances "a way out."
Sure, I agree completely. But what's his point? I think he just wants to see how many responses he gets.

I find it sad that this personis a troll with a post count of 3

I find it kinda funny
I find it kind of sad
That dreams in which I'm dying
Are the best I've ever had


There, there's my depressing utterance for the year... catch you on the flip side.

I find it sad that this guy's nation is a tribute to Carrot Top....

I find it kinda funny
I find it kind of sad
That dreams in which I'm dying
Are the best I've ever had


There, there's my depressing utterance for the year... catch you on the flip side.
Mad World. Good song, it reminds me of the movie Donnie Darko.

one time i chose death over life, but it didnt work out and im living. i am eternally grateful for that.

me backs away slowly.......Ooooooooooo K

:confused:

It's easy for people living the good life to turn up their noses at the very thought of suicide. After all, given the choice between living the good life and ending your life, everyone would choose to live it up.

But say things took a turn for the worst, and you were confronted with a choice: Either live a life in which every moment was an infinite misery unto itself, or peacefully end it all without having to live a life of hell. I think you'd be surprised just how tempting the latter option would be in said circumstance.

If you don't believe me, pay a visit to Hell's Kitchen, or Southeast DC, or any other rotting ghetto whose people are going nowhere and having nothing to look forward to. Go talk to a Sudanese or Iraqi who's lost their entire family to the ravages of war. Find out just what it is like to have everything that defined you as a human being stripped from you, leaving but a hollow shell of a soul remaining, and then tell me with a straight face that in such a situation you wouldn't consider finishing the deeds misfortune visited upon you.

As for me, I've seen both sides of the fence. I was born into the good life, and couldn't fathom why someone would want to die. Life for me in those days meant guilt-free, sunny days on the beach, and who in their right mind would want to end that? And then at the age of 19 my family's home burned down and I lost loved ones, and I felt guilty because I didn't think I had done enough to stop it from happening. I had nightmares about it every night, about what I could have done or should have done. My shame haunted me endlessly, and for a while it really seemed as though there was nothing for me to live for. I was already half-dead, for when someone you love dies a part of you dies with them. I thought about throwing in the towel, calling it quits.

I'm glad I didn't, because life has gotten a lot better for me since then. But I know how easy it can be in certain circumstances to see death as the only reprieve from a life of seemingly endless agony. I know that I will never really be whole again, not like I was before it all happened. No matter what I do and where I go from here, an important part of me will be missing until the day I die. But I have come to the personal decision that I would rather live half a life than no life at all.

Believe it or not, there are mortal fates worse than death. Life can get pretty damn miserable, to the point where death is a godsend. It is my sincerest of hopes that most of you never have to find out just how bad it gets.

yet im not surprised that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding, have firmly chosen death over life.

Death is a necessity. An inevitability that awaits everyone of us. It is only a matter of time. We choose death for convenience, just as we choose life. We choose it for people, for animals, for ideas, for dogmas. The way of life is death, and as such death IS firmly chosen over life, inherently.

That said, judging by your obnoxious and preachy tones, I'm sure scientific logic won't affect you. So I ask you, isn't it better to send people swiftly to heaven and eternal happiness as opposed to having them waste away 70 years on a horrible Atheist infested rock? Isn't that better than staying on earth? I'm well aware of the Catch-22 built into your imaginings, but many are quite willing to sacrifice themselves to help others.

Either way, in at most 180 years, you WILL be forgotten by time and all of humanity.

Suicide is usually either because the person is clinically depressed and doesn't know that it's temporary,
Says the person who is very obviously not clinically depressed. It ain't temporary. Antidepressants will mask the pain, but they won't make it go away.

yet im not surprised that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding, have firmly chosen death over life.

Personally, I prefer life. The tacos are better. :)

It's easy for people living the good life to turn up their noses at the very thought of suicide. After all, given the choice between living the good life and ending your life, everyone would choose to live it up.

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Thanks for sharing. It's very hard to imagine the situation for people that have never been depressed, or had a serious tradgedy strike them or their family. I can believe that it gets terrible, but I want everyone to hang on!!!

Says the person who is very obviously not clinically depressed. It ain't temporary. Antidepressants will mask the pain, but they won't make it go away.
Sometimes it is temporary. Sometimes not. I'm always at least mildly depressed, but the meds usually keep it from getting out of hand. Without them I'm frequently suicidal. With them I rarely am, and at least realize its temporary and will get better with time. With medication and the wisdom that comes with age (no laughing, I'd like to keep some delusions) I realize that wanting to die is temporary.
When I was younger the idea that I'd have to be this way for the rest of my life would have sent me over the edge. Now I consider the small pleasures worth the pain. I don't really know if that's a function of age, medication or I've just gotten so used to the idea that it no longer scares me.

i really should be on meds. but id rather die than rely on a stupid pill to make me happy.

i had a close friend last year who killed himself. even though i had not spoken to him for a few months prior to his suicide. it was very hard to deal with at first but then i came to realize after awhile that he made the choice he thought was best for himself. i wish more people would honour a persons choice to commit suicide rather than condemn it.

on an unrelated note becuase i dont have the money for a shrink i will now rant for my own wellbeing and amusement,

to me, nothing is worse than being forgotten while you are still alive. that experience has left me scarred and pretty pissed at the world in general. the people who anger me especially are the ones who believe that they are helping people when there actions only seem to be making life more difficult for others. and the people who make me wish this world to end or i was aborted at birth. are the ones who never see the trouble and pain that others in this world endure until they finally endure it for themselves and then they expect a f*cking sympathy card. :)

i forgot to say saipea is my hero.

It ain't temporary. Antidepressants will mask the pain, but they won't make it go away.Very true. In some cases, depression can be overcome, but in many it cannot.

I'd agree that people should be able to do as they like. If that's cold, so be it. Yes, it will hurt family and friends (if the depressed person has any) for them to have killed themselves. But do the family and friends care about what the depressed person is going through? They may try all in their power to help them (or help them get professional help etc), but as I said above, it doesn't always work.

I tried to kill myself when I was younger, and I am personally glad now that I didn't succeed. However, I don't want to enforce that belief on anyone else. I would advise anyone considering suicide to use all options available, such as physotherapy, CBT, anti-depressants etc. But if none of those work, well, it's their life and none of my business what they do with it, however much it may hurt me for them not to be there.

33 posts and we still don't know what he's talking about... :confused:

33 posts and we still don't know what he's talking about... :confused:

My record is 77. :)

Oh yeah LG, the Walrus we "rescued" says hi... and here's your cut.

*Hands over bag filled with money*

Oh yeah LG, the Walrus we "rescued" says hi... and here's your cut.

*Hands over bag filled with money*

YAY! :D

YAY! :D

Glad your happy, because next week we're moving endangered Pandas...

Glad your happy, because next week we're moving endangered Pandas...

I told them that threatening their lives wouldn't make em screw. :p

Suicide is usually either because the person is clinically depressed and doesn't know that it's temporary, or because they want to hurt someone else. Either way, it's never, ever, under any circumstances "a way out."
And who made you the authority to utter absolutes? My mother had a roommate on the cancer station where she was being treated. That woman knew she had maybe a month at best, was a widow and in constant excruciating pain that lvl III opioid pain killers couldnt help with anymore. I can understand why she choose to end her life herself.

He's obviously talking about suicide. It's a problem. In my country, someone kills themselves every week and it's usually a male between 14 and 24 years old.
Perhaps, but where is the "wisdom" in that?

The stigma against suicide is only a recent thing really. The ancients did it all the time, if it was good enough for Socrates its good enough for me!

Pass the Hemlock

He's obviously talking about suicide. It's a problem. In my country, someone kills themselves every week and it's usually a male between 14 and 24 years old.

Can't say that I blame them, either, to be honest. I could never do it, though. My sister would get her grubby hands on my coin collection... :mad:

One thing on depression : It will never, ever entirely go away. A person with depression is at constant risk of a relapse, even if they seem to be fine at the moment. You can treat the disease, but you can't cure it.

Why does everybody pretend life is the greates thing after the invention of sliced bread? How could you possibly know, seeing that you don't know what the other options are? Have you ever tried death? I mean, maybe it's a whole lot better?
It might be worse, true, but we'll have to take that risk one day anyway...

Death is a necessity. An inevitability that awaits everyone of us. It is only a matter of time. We choose death for convenience, just as we choose life. We choose it for people, for animals, for ideas, for dogmas. The way of life is death, and as such death IS firmly chosen over life, inherently.

Talk for yourself. I plan to become a cyborg and then live forever! Mwahahahaha!

...or at least until the guarantee runs out.

so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding,

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The stigma against suicide is only a recent thing really. The ancients did it all the time, if it was good enough for Socrates its good enough for me!

Pass the Hemlock

Er...you do know he was forced to do that, don't you?

I still assume they're talking about suicide - I hope 'NSer named Carrot Tops is found dead: verdict of suicide recorded' isn't a headline anytime soon. Although even if they are feeling down, that's still no excuse for such bland pretentiousness. Are we sure this isn't Thom Yorke in disguise?

Originally Posted by Carrot Tops
so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding,


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Finally someone points that one out.

and everyone I wasnt talking about literal death :x

Suicide is not a problem. The factors that cause suicide are the problem.

Finally someone points that one out.

and everyone I wasnt talking about literal death :x

What the hell were you talking about?

EDIT: Spiritual death? Atheism?

yet im not surprised that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding, have firmly chosen death over life.


Their bisness, not mine.

yet im not surprised that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom knowledge and understanding, have firmly chosen death over life.
Well, I find it sad that so many of us youth, in our great wisdom, knowledge, and understanding, have chosen life over death.

What the hell is wrong with us? :confused: ;)

The starting sentance looks to me like the person is speaking of the choice to do things that will later in the future prove to end our lives. useing toxic things, doing drugs, fucking up the environment. I feel if the system crashed, i would take 7 days to die. i would hike to the woods, take about three days, then id have about four days to try and trap an animal, and to find a clean water source. by that time i may be already dead becuase someone would have killed me for my supplies, or becuase they went crazy because their spirit has been taken from them. although it wasn't every really theirs in the first place, it belonged to the corperations they had been putting all their money, and life into. we need to become more self sufficient, then we wont be living to die, we will be living to live-pete

Mad World. Good song, it reminds me of the movie Donnie Darko.

Yep. That's where I heard it - I've never heard it anywhere else.

suicide is only a problem if someone just gets a gun and shoots themselves without thinking about it first.if you sit there and think about it for hours,and consider all the possibilities,and are still able to kill yourself(without guns or poison),i believe that is something to be admired.it isn't cowardly or selfish at that point.

Originally posted by CthulhuFhtagn
Says the person who is very obviously not clinically depressed. It ain't temporary. Antidepressants will mask the pain, but they won't make it go away.
Amen. My wife has to take her "forever pill," as she calls it, every day.

She tried once when she was younger (pills). I tried twice (sliced wrists and pills). Glad my father didn't tell me where he kept the ammunition to his gun, because I am so glad I am still here.

It was selfish, but at the time, it made perfect sense. I thought it over for weeks before the first try, and still went through with my failed attempt. Yet, here I sit to tell that, even though it was a completely calm decision the first time, it was still cowardly for me to do so, and I was ashamed for a long time . . . not because anyone else said so, since I covered up the scars for a long time, but because I knew that I did it for my own hurts and didn't think about it hurting so many other people, who had invested into my life.

I think that people should have the right to death as well as the right to life. I mean, if they really want to die, they can. It's their choice. ;)

Although what about the rest of us old folks? We've gotta die too. Did we choose it? I didn't anyway. I wouldn't mind living forever. Unfortunately, if we choose to live, we choose to die as well.

So it's really our choice, or our parents' anyway.