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Okay, we're going to try this again. And, Mr. Moderator, please do NOT close down the thread when I am just finished typing and about to post a five-paragraph piece of debate.

There, what religion or cult do you follow? Why?

You know, by now that the whole purpose of this thread is for debate. So let's not start a whole 'nother flame war this time, then, okay?

Please, also, forgive me for not having Judaism up there. It was a terrible mistake! I thought I had it!
Poll Coming Up.

Edit: Poll has now arrived, please do not take any heed of previous prediction.

Roman Catholicism because it was founded by Jesus Christ upon St. Peter the Rock in 33 A.D.

Alright, that's cool.

At present, agnostic. However, I am leaning toward Catholicism due to its history, theology, and belief system which I find both unique and attractive. I will wait until I'm older before making a decision, since I'll be mature enough and experienced enough with life to really decide. Deciding in haste or from fear would be very bad in a spiritual sense for me.

At present, agnostic. However, I am leaning toward Catholicism due to its history, theology, and belief system which I find both unique and attractive. I will wait until I'm older before making a decision, since I'll be mature enough and experienced enough with life to really decide. Deciding in haste or from fear would be very bad in a spiritual sense for me.
Excellent, my friend! One more step in the right direction, I must say.

Excellent, my friend! One more step in the right direction, I must say.

I didn't switch over to atheism because I don't want to ever rule out the possibility of God. Plus, since there is no proof of nonexistence I can't discredit it. The saying "Absence of Evidence does not Indicate Evidence of Absence" is one I hold true to, yet with skepticism until I feel ready to make a commitment.

I am basically protestant but not adhering to any denomination. I am not an evangelizer and have no problem with people following their own beliefs.
I am not Catholic because I do not agree the Pope is the leader of the church or that a priesthood in needed. No insult to Catholics there, I don't dislike them at all.
I have no trouble with Agnostics, Athiests, Pagans or Wiccans. If they are civil to me I will be civil with them and not think twice about their philosophical beliefs.

Cthulhu cult. I worship he who sleeps beneath the waves.

Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn!

I am basically protestant but not adhering to any denomination. I am not an evangelizer and have no problem with people following their own beliefs.
I am not Catholic because I do not agree the Pope is the leader of the church or that a priesthood in needed. No insult to Catholics there, I don't dislike them at all.
I have no trouble with Agnostics, Athiests, Pagans or Wiccans. If they are civil to me I will be civil with them and not think twice about their philosophical beliefs.

If you are Christian, then you know full well that we are TOLD to spread the Gospel.

:( Cthulhu cult. I worship he who sleeps beneath the waves.

Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Ah... ahem... yes...

I'm a Roman Catholic, have been all my life, though at one point I came pretty close to abandoning it.

:(
Ah... ahem... yes...
Have you read any of our tracts?
www.geocities.com/tribhis/cthulhutract.html

Have you read any of our tracts?
www.geocities.com/tribhis/cthulhutract.html
No, and I really don't want to, but I guess I will anyway.

I'm Jewish, but something of a skeptic. I might be inclined to refer to myself as a Rousseauist, humanist, and socialist as well, though these are more sociopolitical descriptions than religious.

I generally don't tend to regard other religions with skepticism (any more than I regard Judaism), and tend to only have problems with people from other religions who automatically assume that I need "saving" from my choices. (I don't accept that from Orthodox Jews either.)

As to why I'm Jewish, it has a lot to do with the ethical teachings of Judaism and the intellectual openness I've found in rabbinical texts. (I tend to try to be somewhat independent in thought, if it wasn't clear from earlier.)

Okay, the debate has started off slightly slow. I expected some more responses quicker. Maybe something like a huge mental and spiritual battle 'twixt the many gaming strong atheists and the few faithful Christians.
I guess I'll wait for that time, then, eh?

Have you read any of our tracts?
www.geocities.com/tribhis/cthulhutract.html

Nothing better than Jack Chick parodies! :D

If you are Christian, then you know full well that we are TOLD to spread the Gospel.

yep, and I spread the Gospel by example, not by talk talk talking to people and turning them off. Spread it by passive example and by never being ashamed to call yourself a Christian, not by knocking on doors and annoying people by screaming in a park square.

I am Roman Catholic, I had thought I'd lost my faith a few years back, but it found it's way back into my life.

yep, and I spread the Gospel by example, not by talk talk talking to people and turning them off. Spread it by passive example and by never being ashamed to call yourself a Christian, not by knocking on doors and annoying people by screaming in a park square.

That's the way to do it. :)
I don't mind people spreading what they believe as long as they live what they preach and don't act aggressively.

Just out of curiosity, why wasn't Judaism included as a choice in the poll?

And... wow. There're sure a lot of Catholics here.

OK, I'm sorry... But seriously, wtf is this???
a) You're options are all mixed up. If the question is "What religion are you?" the answers should all be the actual names of the religions. e.g "Christianity (Catholicism)" not "Christian (Catholic)".
b) you spelt Hindu wrong. What is "hundu" supposed to mean? I can forgive spelling Buddhism wrong, cos I always get that wrong as well :p
c) you missed out some pretty major religions, most notably Judaism (!) and Sikhism.
d) who do you seriously think would actually describe themselves as belonging to a cult?
e) most magick users are not demonologists. Demonology is a fringe group in magick; most people are more likely to want to summon angels than demons. Demonoligists are also probably the magick practitioners least likely to call what they do "religion". I think an option for "Neo-Paganism" might be closer to what you're going for...

No offense to you personally, but this seems pretty flimsy...

I am also Roman Catholic. Whoo-hoo!

How 'bout this: I am an extreme adherent to Christianity. Almost alone among a bunch of liberal gamers.

I support the idea of a seven-day creation (the Bible says seven days, it MEANS seven days), and believe that the fall of man occured around 6100 years ago, give or take a few dozen (I forgot the math that I did).
Anyway, I also support Darwin's original idea of evolution, as expressed in Origin of Species, that the genetic makeup of an animal has the capacity to change according to their environment or breeding, genetic defects, and so on. However, I vehemently argue against the modern Theory of Evolution: we were CREATED, not, completely by a random toss of the dice, grown. And I fight against the Big Bang theory, but I strive to find out the tougher details to see how it works, and how it doesn't; "know thy enemy."
I believe that God had to have a Son, here, on earth, in order to live, teach, preach, and finally die, as the sacrafice superior to any other sacrafices, so that mankind has the choice to live with their Savior in heaven for ever and ever, and ever, and ever, and a bit more than ever, squared. :D
A few more right-wing political views that I express are unnecessary here, so I won't state them. But I am going to say, flat out, that every other religion is WRONG. That's right, punk, wrong. :sniper:
Call me closed-minded, but I didn't say it first, dude. ;) I could say that you are right, but that would be a lie. And so, I tell it like it is.

Okay, the debate has started off slightly slow. I expected some more responses quicker. Maybe something like a huge mental and spiritual battle 'twixt the many gaming strong atheists and the few faithful Christians.
I guess I'll wait for that time, then, eh?

This was supposed to be a debate? I'm not sure how it can be, between 10+ religions at once, many based on totally different fundamental truths... ;)

OK, I'm sorry... But seriously, wtf is this???
a) You're options are all mixed up. If the question is "What religion are you?" the answers should all be the actual names of the religions. e.g "Christianity (Catholicism)" not "Christian (Catholic)".
b) you spelt Hindu wrong. What is "hundu" supposed to mean? I can forgive spelling Buddhism wrong, cos I always get that wrong as well :p
c) you missed out some pretty major religions, most notably Judaism (!) and Sikhism.
d) who do you seriously think would actually describe themselves as belonging to a cult?
e) most magick users are not demonologists. Demonology is a fringe group in magick; most are more likely to summon angels than demons. Demonoligists are also probably the magick practitioners least likely to call what they do "religion".

No offense to you personally, but this seems pretty flimsy...

Dad gum, I seriously screwed that up that badly? Let's see if I can edit it... (thot I put Judaism in there).

But all I can say is that magic(k[?]) is demonology. You're messing around with forces beyond yourself, and other than God. The only other source of that would be Hell itself. Thus, true use of magic, black arts, and so forth, could easily be called demonology.
Anyway, I only HAD 10 options.

I have been an Atheist for many years although my parents tried to bring me up as a Christian.

This was supposed to be a debate? I'm not sure how it can be, between 10+ religions at once, many based on totally different fundamental truths... ;)

Battle Royale. :cool:

This was supposed to be a debate? I'm not sure how it can be, between 10+ religions at once, many based on totally different fundamental truths... ;)

I feel quite unhappy. I massively screwed up the poll options, and now I can't even edit it! Boo-hoo.
Besides, it can be a debate between many religons, and it's not like there are going to be too many besides Christianity(s) and Atheism, so I don't even know why I bothered with Buddism.

Just out of curiosity, why wasn't Judaism included as a choice in the poll?

And... wow. There're sure a lot of Catholics here.
Crap, crap, crap.

I feel a strong desire to shut down the poll (if I could, and either A) Shun myself, or B) Start a new one.

Can't believe I screwed up that badly.

How 'bout this: I am an extreme adherent to Christianity. Almost alone among a bunch of liberal gamers.


I don't see how that's extreme. Most people believe other sects are wrong, else they would belong to a different denomination. You don't rightly stick to a Church whose tenets you don't believe in, right? I think that describes the majority. So do most believe in some form of evolution, even if they believe God manifested his intentions in Man in some way or another. So I dunno if I'd call all that extreme.

I feel a strong desire to shut down the poll (if I could, and either A) Shun myself, or B) Start a new one.

Can't believe I screwed up that badly.

Well, everyone makes mistakes at setting up polls. Just start a new one and delete this one or something. No problem with me.

I don't see how that's extreme. Most people believe other sects are wrong, else they would belong to a different denomination. You don't rightly stick to a Church whose tenets you don't believe in, right? I think that describes the majority. So do most believe in some form of evolution, even if they believe God manifested his intentions in Man in some way or another. So I dunno if I'd call all that extreme.

Never said that my following stuff was extreme, I'm saying that I am extremely devoted to my faith.

Well, everyone makes mistakes at setting up polls. Just start a new one and delete this one or something. No problem with me.

How do you delete!?

Besides, it can be a debate between many religons, and it's not like there are going to be too many besides Christianity(s) and Atheism, so I don't even know why I bothered with Buddism.

:rolleyes: Although I've only peformed a few magick rituals myself (Neo-Pagan ritualism being just one of the ideologies I dabble with) I was going to take you up on the whole "Magick is demonic" thing... but I really can't be bothered if that's you're attitude :p

I'm a non-denominational evangelical Christian. The bible to me is completely literal, and thus I don't agree with the theory of evolution. I also disagree with conflicts, and am not a fan of wars. Even so, politically I lean toward the right because of moral issues. I am against gay marriage and abortion. I try my best to love everyone and I am trying to make it consistent that I put others before myself. That's me, basically.

I'm Roman Catholic. Although I was brought up as such, in my latter teens I searched around and investigated some other religions. After weighing the goods and the bads and determining what religion works best for me, I decided Catholicism. :)

:rolleyes: Although I've only peformed a few magick rituals myself (Neo-Pagan ritualism being just one of the ideologies I dabble with) I was going to take you up on the whole "Magick is demonic" thing... but I really can't be bothered.

Forgive the crudeness, but why the freakin' heck do you spell it with a 'k'?
That's like, from Warcraft or something.

I'm a non-denominational evangelical Christian. The bible to me is completely literal, and thus I don't agree with the theory of evolution. I also disagree with conflicts, and am not a fan of wars. Even so, politically I lean toward the right because of moral issues. I am against gay marriage and abortion. I try my best to love everyone and I am trying to make it consistent that I put others before myself. That's me, basically.

Wahoo!!! :D

How do you delete!?

Is there an option on your first thred founding post? It should say edit/delete. Click on it to delete this thread and make a new one.

I can't delete the first post.
Is there a mod here?

I can't delete the first post.
Is there a mod here?

Just start a new one. They might delete it or someone will tell you how. I'm not 100% sure.

Forgive the crudeness, but why the freakin' heck do you spell it with a 'k'?
That's like, from Warcraft or something.

Well, the traditional explanation is that it distinguishes it from "magic" as in parlour tricks and illusions (rabbits being pulled out of hats etc)....
But the real explanation is that "magick" just looks way cooler :p

Well, the traditional explanation is that avoids thethe association of the word "magic" with rabbits being pulled out of hats etc....
But the real explanation is that "magick" just looks way cooler :p

Ah yes. Hmm...
Well, I can distinguish from the content.

I'm a spiritual agnostic. I don't actually agree with any organised religion, but I am a spiritual person. Whether or not there is a creator is beyond me, but it doesn't bother me if someone thinks there is or not as long as they don't try and force me to think the same thing. I believe there is a soul, and something after death, but, like I said, that doesn't lead me onto a creator. I believe in the current theory of evolution and the big bang, as they seem the most likely answers, to me, at this time. If they were proven wrong, then I would adjust my views accordingly.

I am for equal rights for all people including homosexual marriage. My thoughts on abortion are fuzzy at best, so I won't mention them here.
I think that basically everything should be legal as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Putting it simply, I don't agree with anyone who believes that words in a book are just grounds for not treating someone as an equal.

I'm a spiritual agnostic. I don't actually agree with any organised religion, but I am a spiritual person. Whether or not there is a creator is beyond me, but it doesn't bother me if someone thinks there is or not as long as they don't try and force me to think the same thing. I believe there is a soul, and something after death, but, like I said, that doesn't lead me onto a creator. I believe in the current theory of evolution and the big bang, as they seem the most likely answers, to me, at this time. If they were proven wrong, then I would adjust my views accordingly.

I am for equal rights for all people including homosexual marriage. My thoughts on abortion are fuzzy at best, so I won't mention them here.
I think that basically everything should be legal as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Putting it simply, I don't agree with anyone who believes that words in a book are just grounds for not treating someone as an equal.

Dad gummit, this is debating bait, but now I 'gotta go.' DARN!!!

Hey where are the Druids. I know one. He is my future stepbrother. Hey chris you out there. It would be cool to meet someone who believes in confusuanism.

Agnostic, but always leaned toward neo-pagan philosophies. Also been interested in Judaism and Catholicism before. I think I just like new versions of old things.

Dad gummit, this is debating bait, but now I 'gotta go.' DARN!!!

Was it that obvious? Well, I'm here most of the time, so I'll be glad to spar with you when you return. (not saying that I'm playing devils advocate, I just phrased my precise views in order to allow them to be easiest disagreed with, hehe.)

My beliefs are in a state of flux.
But now I am a deist or a dystheist, I'm not quite sure.

Was Atheist, then changed to agnostic. No actual change in doctrine, just a change in lable. I occiasionally think that there are god/gods. And Buddhism is very close to my beliefs - just... I really don't want to give up meat. Other than that, I would be like 66% likly to convert.

One problem I have with all religions (Even Atheism and Agnosticism) is the marketing. Marketing by example, I have no problem with. Marketing by threatening hellfyre and witholding heaven, or by calling everyone else immoral, evil, demonic-summoning witches, I have a problem with.

And btw, when posting about religion, I try my best to describe the religion from a secular POV. So calling Majicks 'demonic' seems like a minor flamebait.

I’m a [probably Secular] Humanist. Agnostic, though leaning towards atheism. Personally I don't think that agnosticism and atheism can be classed as religions on their own. Just like theism isn’t a religion in itself.

I feel that religion is based purely on mankind's insecurities. Fear of death. Fear of the unknown etc. The desire to have somebody bigger and better looking out for you. Religion is a very human thing...

I'm a Gnostic.

Raelians represent!

Pentacostal.

I ended up making my own belief and moral system while I was going through highschool. With some small exceptions it mirrors Secular Humanism.

Pagan.

Atheist.

Raelians represent!
They're waiting till they can clone enough new members.

Okay, the debate has started off slightly slow. I expected some more responses quicker. Maybe something like a huge mental and spiritual battle 'twixt the many gaming strong atheists and the few faithful Christians.
I guess I'll wait for that time, then, eh?


I chose Hinduism because, it is the spiritual BORG, it assimilates everything. There are hindu atheists, monotheists, fundamentalists, etc.


The basic precepts that are true in all hindu sects, are, (if I can remember)

Belief in reincarnation.
Belief in karma.
Belief in Dharma?
ah, rats, I forgot the rest. oh, well.

It also allows me to keep the teachings of Jesus and all my favorite mystic saints, reject ridiculous dogma, and worship a goddess with whom I truly connect. It is about my spiritual growth, my spiritual path, and not only does not require me to convert others, it instead allows me to respect other paths, and not interfere with them. (the caste thing is an old vedic tradition, equivelent to fundamentalism) In fact, respect is a big part of spiritual growth, which breeds all kinds of tolerance.

There, what religion or cult do you follow? Why?


my kind of sort of boyfriend says i should worship the penis. but, apparently i have strayed. some kidnapping, followed by some deprogramming, and new, more effective brainwashing to get me back to the fold.

none. i think everyones god exists for them, and thats all good.EDIT- i cant be bothered trying to find the answer to the key of the universe,when its quite obvious that no one is supposed to figure it out.

I worship no higher powers, but I believe in there probably are some. I don't consider myself agnostic. Just cautiously spiritual. :p

I can be categorized as Muslim, if you will. Because, that is the religion that is nearest to my ideas. Perharps, it draws me near as it does not contradict itself... In common terms though, I can be also categorized as agnostic.

Hell yeah
My issues with Catholicism and Islam are that they are too caught up in the "rules" section and don't do too much of the "relationship" section.
Of course, that is said as an outsider looking in - I attended a few masses as a child (I went to a Roman Catholic primary school) but I have never been inside a Mosque and my only experiences with Catholicism were as a young child.
However, having studied both religions (very shallowly, it has to be admitted) it seems that they are too caught up in the "do's" and "don'ts."
Live a little.

And now, for a joke:
Q: Why does the pope love cats?





A: Because he's a CAT(o)holic











*disclaimer* No disrespect to the late Pope John Paul II - change the wording if you want to "the cardinal" or "the pope-to-be" or whatever.

OK, I'm sorry... But seriously, wtf is this???
a) You're options are all mixed up. If the question is "What religion are you?" the answers should all be the actual names of the religions. e.g "Christianity (Catholicism)" not "Christian (Catholic)".
b) you spelt Hindu wrong. What is "hundu" supposed to mean? I can forgive spelling Buddhism wrong, cos I always get that wrong as well :p
c) you missed out some pretty major religions, most notably Judaism (!) and Sikhism.
d) who do you seriously think would actually describe themselves asbelonging to a cult?
e) most magick users are not demonologists. Demonology is a fringe group in magick; most people are more likely to want to summon angels than demons. Demonoligists are also probably the magick practitioners least likely to call what they do "religion". I think an option for "Neo-Paganism" might be closer to what you're going for...

No offense to you personally, but this seems pretty flimsy...
f) He didn't include Mormons or Amishes either... that's what the OTHER option is for.
g) Who cares? Everyone makes mistakes? Ooh, and he's posted a correction about the Judaism thing.

PS Very sorry to thread-starter if you are in fact a girl.

Scepticism, not really a religion I guess.
I pick up certain rituals from Buddhism for purely psychological reasons.
(Yes, it really helps me a lot to calm down in agitated situations, when I recall my omanipadmeum. Don't want to convince anybody, but just try it, it works.)

I can be categorized as Muslim, if you will. Because, that is the religion that is nearest to my ideas. Perharps, it draws me near as it does not contradict itself... In common terms though, I can be also categorized as agnostic.

If you believe you're Muslim, then you are.

http://www.submission.org/islam/myth.html

No need to "convert".

I'm a non-denominational evangelical Christian. The bible to me is completely literal, and thus I don't agree with the theory of evolution. I also disagree with conflicts, and am not a fan of wars. Even so, politically I lean toward the right because of moral issues. I am against gay marriage and abortion. I try my best to love everyone and I am trying to make it consistent that I put others before myself. That's me, basically.

Same here. :)

I chose Hinduism because, it is the spiritual BORG, it assimilates everything.

er... you are aware that pretty much every single sect of Hinduism requires that you be born a Hindu to be part of the religion, right? You can't just "convert" like that.

If you believe you're Muslim, then you are.

http://www.submission.org/islam/myth.html

No need to "convert".
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Attaching meanings other than what it is marks a word bad. Agnostic parts comes here... I don't believe in all that "TODO"'s that are associated with Islam. I think people are missing the very core of the thing while they are after more visual components, that is why, I actually don't think Islam is a religion of a long list of do/don't.

Islam, I believe, has just two rules: Believe (with finding out through reason) and Keep clean (your mind, heart, body, environment etc.).

I find Ganesh, who presides over difficult enterprises seems to respond to a little invocation. Life is difficult every day, most things are out of my control and go wrong, so he just gives me a little confidence maybe.
I wouldn't say that I belong to any particular cult or organised religion, although I must say that I find myself depressed by the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition that I was brought up in. I found myself in a church reading a table of commandments recently and noted the jealousy and vengefulness of the tone. The Middle American right, Islamic Fundamentalism and the actions of Israel against the Palestinians have convinced me in my suspicion of the hypocrisy of these traditions.

In case you can't tell what you are yourself, here's a little help! What religion are you? (http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=10907)

I'm Muslim btw

hi
i used to be a Non-catholic christian but know after a few years of thinking i decided that The Discworld Series is right.

ie the God(s) only exist if people believe in them and the more people that beleives in a God(s), the stronger the God(s).

this is what i think. so by my thoery i am a kind of a Christian...

:gundge:

I am now and will forever be Roman Catholic, but I have a great respect other religions, especially Judaism and Hinduism.

I am a Unitarian Universalist (http://www.uua.org/)

I would say I am both a Greco-Roman Pantheist and a Church of Satanist. Just to keep things interesting of course.

You are missing "Necromancy" :)

Contrary to popular beleif, Necromancers are not demon worshipers; a demon, being so much better at what we do than we are, gets a high level of professional respect, and from some of the fresh initiates, perhaps some worship, but that happens in any line of work, right? Angels could do it as well as the demons, but they are too high-and-mighty to do anything with lowly humans. Demons aren't evil, they are just not arrogant SOB's like the angels - so naturally, the higher ups paint them in a bad light. Think of it like the Angels being Microsoft, with G-d as Gates, and the Demons being Linux, with Lucifer as Torvaldis.

... If you think I really believe any of that, you need help. I just find it fun to pretend to be a necromancer :) Agnostic, and irreverent :)

Christian insofar as I believe in J.C. and what he spoke. I do not follow any organised religion though, because I believe all of their teachings have been twisted and reinterpreted too many times to serve too many shady purposes. If the actual words spoken by Jesus were sufficient to found a church that has lasted thousands of years, then those same words (free of someone else's interpretation of them) are surely good enough for me. The people He spoke to during His life did not require a middleman to explain what He meant, and neither do I.

I selected Atheist as the best description as me, but you'll rue the day you called it a religion.

Oh, and anyone who "has" or "is" a religion needs to get their heads checked.
It is a belief, ideology, or dogma. It is a transient philosophy. It is not you, nor does it define you.

I'm Muslim, I converted to Islam because it is the most logical to me. Before I converted I was Atheist. I don't agree with some of the things taught in my religion, but only because I don't believe that many things that are currently being taught correspond with what Mohammad(SAS) would have taught.

Me sir? oh, i'm orthodox :cool:

There's a lot of Jedis over here in Britain. Of course the census figures won't come out until they are released a long time hence.

At present, agnostic. However, I am leaning toward Catholicism due to its history, theology, and belief system which I find both unique and attractive. I will wait until I'm older before making a decision, since I'll be mature enough and experienced enough with life to really decide. Deciding in haste or from fear would be very bad in a spiritual sense for me.

That's a very mature outlook on religion. Don't rush it.

I was an atheist from ages 8-12, agnostic for 2 years, and became catoloic, really and thruly at 15.

I don't know if this was said alreaddy (too lazy to read the entire thread, but I am atheist. Atheism is not a religion, but since it was included in the pole, I selected it anyway. ;).

I am a Unitarian Universalist (http://www.uua.org/)


Me too, but I am a UU atheist. That always gets me strange looks.

I'm Muslim, I converted to Islam because it is the most logical to me. Before I converted I was Atheist. I don't agree with some of the things taught in my religion, but only because I don't believe that many things that are currently being taught correspond with what Mohammad(SAS) would have taught.

You should not ask what Muhammed would do, but only ask what is pleasing to Allah. Throw out Sunnah and Hadith and pay attention only to Qur'an.

:)

I am Christian (Orthodox). However, I am very angry with God! Actually, my faith is starting to contradict with what I see everyday in life. Vespucii, you seem to have a firm faith, can you give me a hand here?

Hey, just wanted to say: SHOOT ALL DEVIL WORSHIPERS!!! :mp5: :gundge: :sniper: :gundge: :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :p

I'm Roman Chatholic. :cool:

Me too, but I am a UU atheist. That always gets me strange looks.
*Makes a Strange Look* :confused:

Well, the traditional explanation is that it distinguishes it from "magic" as in parlour tricks and illusions (rabbits being pulled out of hats etc)....
But the real explanation is that "magick" just looks way cooler :p


Personally, I think spelling it 'magick' makes it look stupid. No offense. :rolleyes:

I'm innocent!!! :mp5: Not really. :D

i belive in reincarnation like the budhists but i dont belive in something called nirvana or heaven (or hell for that matter). it is my firm bielief that there are a fixed number of souls in circulation. and nothing can dissapere from there.
nothing says you must be reborn as human tho.

i do belive in both angels and demons/devils, but wiew them more as another race/races and not conected to some god.

if there actually are something like a god i highly doubt he/she is alone. monotheism is nothing for me. but i dont think any god gives to much thought about whats happen on this backwater planet anyway.

*Makes a Strange Look* :confused:



*Also makes strange looks* O.o o.O O.o o.O
O.O o.o O.O o.o :D

*Also makes strange looks* O.o o.O O.o o.O
O.O o.o O.O o.o :D
*Thinks the Strange Looks Look Strange, So... :sniper: *

i belive in reincarnation like the budhists but i dont belive in something called nirvana or heaven (or hell for that matter). it is my firm bielief that there are a fixed number of souls in circulation. and nothing can dissapere from there.
nothing says you must be reborn as human tho.

i do belive in both angels and demons/devils, but wiew them more as another race/races and not conected to some god.

if there actually are something like a god i highly doubt he/she is alone. monotheism is nothing for me. but i dont think any god gives to much thought about whats happen on this backwater planet anyway.

I see very little purpose in beating around the bush, so: You're wrong.
Let me tell you, now, the truth.
The unverse, everthing that surrounds us, you, me, down to the very photons causing the light that illuminates your keyboard, are all a direct result of a god creating everything: matter, energy, and even the absence of both. However, this god is not just any deity that you could pull out of your butt, we're talking God, the God, God of Abraham, the God of Christianity, the Father of Jesus.
Jesus. That one word is the most important word you can believe in. Because every human being, every living soul that has ever, EVER existed on this planet, has done something wrong, or sinned, there must be death. The penalty for sin is death. However, that death must be either your own, or that of something perfect. For thousands of years, the best animals would go to slaughter because a teen would lie to his parents.
Then the light enters the darkness. God, the omniloving deity that has created us all, sends his own kin to live in Time, to dwell among the mortal humans on earth. For thirty-summat' years, He teaches, then, the time comes that, on behalf of every sin of every human being that ever existed, exists, or will exist, the very Son of the Lord Himself must be tortured and killed painfully. This payment was the ultimate sacrafice, the one sacrafice that, instead of paying for merely one sin alone, is the payment for all the innumerable sins that every soul has commited, or will commit.
Even today, the power of the sacrafice still endures, and any human merely needs to confess of their sins and believe that Jesus died for them.
That, my friend, is the ticket into the heaven that does, contrary to your current beliefs, most definately exist. The other option, however, for every other person who denies the gift, is to live for the rest of eternity in mind-boggling torture.
The choice, then, is yours.

Gaianism, Gaianist, Beleiver of the Earth Spirit, Beleiver of Gaia.

We beleive that all living things, plants and animals (including humans) have a spirit. We also beleive that when we die we return to Gaia and become apart of her once again, when we return to her we bring all our pastlife experiences to help her grow and evolve. As she grows and evloves she continues to bring life to the planet, alowing the cycle of regenises, or death and rebirth.

We also beleive that our children are our reincarnations into a second life. We beleive that women are sacred above all others, because they alone hold the gift of life, and without that gift life would not exist, and Gaia would eventually die. It is also a beleif that Gaia, the Earth Spirit is a mortal entity that must be preserved at all costs.

That is the summarization of Gaianism.

Draconis Federation? Wow...
Can you say trancendentalism?

I see very little purpose in beating around the bush, so: You're wrong.
Let me tell you, now, the truth.
The unverse, everthing that surrounds us, you, me, down to the very photons causing the light that illuminates your keyboard, are all a direct result of a god creating everything: matter, energy, and even the absence of both. However, this god is not just any deity that you could pull out of your butt, we're talking God, the God, God of Abraham, the God of Christianity, the Father of Jesus.
Jesus. That one word is the most important word you can believe in. Because every human being, every living soul that has ever, EVER existed on this planet, has done something wrong, or sinned, there must be death. The penalty for sin is death. However, that death must be either your own, or that of something perfect. For thousands of years, the best animals would go to slaughter because a teen would lie to his parents.
Then the light enters the darkness. God, the omniloving deity that has created us all, sends his own kin to live in Time, to dwell among the mortal humans on earth. For thirty-summat' years, He teaches, then, the time comes that, on behalf of every sin of every human being that ever existed, exists, or will exist, the very Son of the Lord Himself must be tortured and killed painfully. This payment was the ultimate sacrafice, the one sacrafice that, instead of paying for merely one sin alone, is the payment for all the innumerable sins that every soul has commited, or will commit.
Even today, the power of the sacrafice still endures, and any human merely needs to confess of their sins and believe that Jesus died for them.
That, my friend, is the ticket into the heaven that does, contrary to your current beliefs, most definately exist. The other option, however, for every other person who denies the gift, is to live for the rest of eternity in mind-boggling torture.
The choice, then, is yours.

Vespucii, you do know that he could sue you if he wanted for descrimination, and last time I checked that is a major charge. If convicted you could spend 15 years in a penituary or pay up to 5 million to him, so before you start saying every one is wrong, just remember the word is mighter that the sword. And if you strike the first blow then you are not going to win.

Vespucii, you do know that he could sue you if he wanted for descrimination, and last time I checked that is a major charge. If convicted you could spend 15 years in a penituary or pay up to 5 million to him, so before you start saying every one is wrong, just remember the word is mighter that the sword. And if you strike the first blow then you are not going to win.
In this society, I can be sued for obeying Jesus?
Wow, that sucks.

Wait, hold on. Telling him that he's wrong is descrimination?
That means I could sue my 7th grade science teacher, some English jerk whose name does not need to be mentioned here, and almost everybody else on this website!

No but you can for descriminating against others religions. And if your service to Jesus is to descriminate then you can be sued for obeying jesus. But last time I read the bible. Jesus didn't force people to beleive in him and his way, nor did he say that all other religions were wrong. In fact Jesus was Jewish, so before you start descriminating, stop.

No but you can for descriminating against others religions. And if your service to Jesus is to descriminate then you can be sued for obeying jesus. But last time I read the bible. Jesus didn't force people to beleive in him and his way, nor did he say that all other religions were wrong. In fact Jesus was Jewish, so before you start descriminating, stop.

Jesus said that He was the ONLY way, the ONLY truth, and the ONLY life. I didn't say that everything else was not, He did.
Jesus was Jewish by heritage, even the psycho Hitler realized the difference between heritage and religion, why don't you?

No but you can for descriminating against others religions. And if your service to Jesus is to descriminate then you can be sued for obeying jesus. But last time I read the bible. Jesus didn't force people to beleive in him and his way, nor did he say that all other religions were wrong. In fact Jesus was Jewish, so before you start descriminating, stop.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand, if telling other religions that they are wrong, then I could still practically sue everyone that I have debated with on this forum,and quite a few others.

Well, the traditional explanation is that it distinguishes it from "magic" as in parlour tricks and illusions (rabbits being pulled out of hats etc)....
But the real explanation is that "magick" just looks way cooler :p


1. Nobody ever gets them mixed up, so that explanation doesn't really hold much water.

2. It doesn't look way cooler, it looks way pretentious and black-lacey.

1. Nobody ever gets them mixed up, so that explanation doesn't really hold much water.

2. It doesn't look way cooler, it looks way pretentious and black-lacey.

Ha! We've been going over that for a long time now.
And I think that we've determined that no intelligent person can mistake the two.

When will people realize God is God, whether referred to as Allah, Buddha, Jesus, Krishna, or anything else! All religions are fundamentally the same!

I consider myself religious in general. I go to a Christian church at home, because I like the people there and the beliefs of that church. However, I've prayed at Hindu temples, Mosques, Buddhist Wats, and Synagogues. You might be thinking: Isn't that hypocritical? But I've found why it is not from studying Hinduism. As I've learned, to say that Hinduism is polytheistic is a mistake. They believe that the different Gods are just aspects of the one true God. Hell, visit a Hindu temple some time and you'll find that there are texts that sound as if they could have come right out of the Bible! In fact, you'll often find figures of Jesus Christ or the Buddha in a Hindu temple, because they feel that they cannot deny any of the sacred forms of God.

And for all you ultra-conservative Christians: I wonder if you even realize that Islam comes from Judaism? The fact of the matter is, Muslims consider Christ to be a prophet as well, they just instead follow Mohamhed as their main teacher. The ideals in the Koran are very similar to the ideals in the Bible, and this is because both Christianity and Islam come from Judaism! Muslim extremists have given Islam a bad name, but in its true form Islam is a very beautiful religion.

I feel pity for anyone who is so narrow-minded that they believe their faith is the only way to go. They are severely missing out.

All religions are different paths to the same God.

As a roman catholic (babtized), i dont follow with some of you hardline christians, with the literal bible and all. Dont forget that for the most part the bible is oral tradition set to text, ergo some parts will be wrong. If you dont believe me, read II Chronicles 4:2, it says that pi is 3 (thats right, exactly 3).

I'm a Catholic, but I respect most religions. Good to see people who think the same! :)

When will people realize God is God, whether referred to as Allah, Buddha, Jesus, Krishna, or anything else! All religions are fundamentally the same!

I consider myself religious in general. I go to a Christian church at home, because I like the people there and the beliefs of that church. However, I've prayed at Hindu temples, Mosques, Buddhist Wats, and Synagogues. You might be thinking: Isn't that hypocritical? But I've found why it is not from studying Hinduism. As I've learned, to say that Hinduism is polytheistic is a mistake. They believe that the different Gods are just aspects of the one true God. Hell, visit a Hindu temple some time and you'll find that there are texts that sound as if they could have come right out of the Bible! In fact, you'll often find figures of Jesus Christ or the Buddha in a Hindu temple, because they feel that they cannot deny any of the sacred forms of God.

And for all you ultra-conservative Christians: I wonder if you even realize that Islam comes from Judaism? The fact of the matter is, Muslims consider Christ to be a prophet as well, they just instead follow Mohamhed as their main teacher. The ideals in the Koran are very similar to the ideals in the Bible, and this is because both Christianity and Islam come from Judaism! Muslim extremists have given Islam a bad name, but in its true form Islam is a very beautiful religion.

I feel pity for anyone who is so narrow-minded that they believe their faith is the only way to go. They are severely missing out.

All religions are different paths to the same God.
AAAAAGHHH!!!
I CAN'T STAND THESE KIND OF VIEWS ANYMORE, IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!
Let me tell you, right now, that, even though Islam is from Judaism, it is a Heresy to it. Seeing as Christ was a prophet in Islam, not THE Savior.

The one thing that I should tell people with those kinds of views, is that you lose NOTHING by believing in a Savior, as opposed to a 50/50 chance of getting to God.

Anyway, what do you believe that you're going to lose by only following only one religion?

Also, if you believe that all religions are true, then you should only be able to believe in one, because all of them say that they are the only ones.

Vespucii did not break any laws. Not close. If you want, I can argue it, but... he didn't. He stated an opinion (that you were wrong). Slander(verbal) and Libel(written) are illegal in the USA, and that includes deliberate, reputation-harming lies. Not discussions over religious beliefs. And by the way ::snicker:: even the most severe punishment for Libel does not come close to $5,000,000/5 years.

Anyways.

I'm strongly Protestant. I believe that Jesus was Divine (In the same sense that the Archangel is Divine), was sent by God, did resurrect, but I do not believe that he was a walking, breathing avatar of God.

I believe that both Creationism and Evolutionism are correct. Essentially, I believe the Evolution occurs, but that God is responsible for it. I believe that a day for God is several million/billion years for us. That explains Genesis claiming that the universe was made in ~1 week.

I think that on the whole, Revelations is false. I think that it has truth behind it, but symbolic truth, rather than factual truth.

And lastly, my primary reason for declaring myself Protestant, I think the Catholic Church is wrong to be loudly declaring this and that wrong. I believe one should quietly formulate their own opinions on certain issues, and make them known only to friends and those who ask. Otherwise, in my opinion, you just look childish.

AAAAAGHHH!!!
I CAN'T STAND THESE KIND OF VIEWS ANYMORE, IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!
Let me tell you, right now, that, even though Islam is from Judaism, it is a Heresy to it. Seeing as Christ was a prophet in Islam, not THE Savior.

The one thing that I should tell people with those kinds of views, is that you lose NOTHING by believing in a Savior, as opposed to a 50/50 chance of getting to God.

Anyway, what do you believe that you're going to lose by only following only one religion?

Also, if you believe that all religions are true, then you should only be able to believe in one, because all of them say that they are the only ones.

Oh yeah. Forgot to include one thing.

The religious texts were written by PEOPLE. These people may have had a closer connection with the Creator, but they were nonetheless people who had faults, as with every human. As I know very well, it is impossible to write anything that's completely non-objective. The idea that "My religion is best" came from human pride just as much as the idea, "My country is best."

And I didn't say I feel sorry for people who <i>follow</i> one religion, just people who feel that they are right. THIS IS CALLED ARROGANCE.

"Let me tell you, right now, that, even though Islam is from Judaism, it is a Heresy to it."

How do you know? Did GOD tell you?

Oh yeah. Forgot to include one thing.

The religious texts were written by PEOPLE. These people may have had a closer connection with the Creator, but they were nonetheless people who had faults, as with every human. As I know very well, it is impossible to write anything that's completely non-objective. The idea that "My religion is best" came from human pride just as much as the idea, "My country is best."

And I didn't say I feel sorry for people who <i>follow</i> one religion, just people who feel that they are right. THIS IS CALLED ARROGANCE.

Even if these people had faults, that doesn't mean that they would have omitted something so important as 'by the by, we're not the only way to said heaven, just believe what you wanna believe and you'll get there.'

And you still have yet to tell me what you'll lose by selecting a single religion as your own.

"Let me tell you, right now, that, even though Islam is from Judaism, it is a Heresy to it."

How do you know? Did GOD tell you?

The fact that it says that Jesus, the Savior of mankind, was a mere prophet, is heresy enough for me.

er... you are aware that pretty much every single sect of Hinduism requires that you be born a Hindu to be part of the religion, right? You can't just "convert" like that.

Sure, but if you live a good life this time round you might be lucky enough to be born Hindu in the next life.

Ahhhh...

::sigh::

Heresy. Oh boy, here we go.

Anyway, would the Catholics really admit that their way wasn't the only way? Look at how you're acting. Would they admit such? Not a snowball's chance in Hell.

::sigh::

Heresy. Oh boy, here we go.

Anyway, would the Catholics really admit that their way wasn't the only way? Look at how you're acting. Would they admit such? Not a snowball's chance in Hell.

No, of course the Catholics wouldn't, but the people who you admit were close to the Creator would, for fear of inciting His wrath, just mayap.

The fact that it says that Jesus, the Savior of mankind, was a mere prophet, is heresy enough for me.

Prophets aren't minor, they are people who spoke directly with God and were given their prophecy by God, so they're pretty important.

Cersica, please, oh please, tell me what you will lose by believing in Christianity.

Even if these people had faults, that doesn't mean that they would have omitted something so important as 'by the by, we're not the only way to said heaven, just believe what you wanna believe and you'll get there.'

And you still have yet to tell me what you'll lose by selecting a single religion as your own.

Men have a bad habit of thinking they're the best, don't they? I have a feeling that you really have not thought about religion past what you've been told. What reason do you have to be Christian and say that Christianity is the only way? Really tell me why, I'd be interested to hear your "reasoning."

Prophets aren't minor, they are people who spoke directly with God and were given their prophecy by God, so they're pretty important.
Of course they're important, but, as opposed to the Son of God who was destined to die on behalf of the forgiveness of every sin of every man on the planet, weather or not they would believe in Him, they're not even peanuts.

I dont think that one must have one finate religion that one adheres to, i dont think that you have to abandon one set of beleifs if someting from another religion appeals to you
I personaly have a mixture of Christian and Bhuddist beleifs.

Cersica, please, oh please, tell me what you will lose by believing in Christianity.

I wouldn't convert on the basis of what I have to lose. I would convert based on what I have to gain, because that is what matters. It is better and more reinforcing to faith to convert on the basis of what you will gain rather than to "be safe" so to speak. One of the flaws of Pascal's wager.

I AM a Christian. A Protestant. I read (I mean, really read) the Bible at least 1-3 times weekly, and pray twice daily. The world is not divided into Catholics, and those terrible, god-hating Heretics, y'know.

I being a Hebrew!!!!!

Men have a bad habit of thinking they're the best, don't they? I have a feeling that you really have not thought about religion past what you've been told. What reason do you have to be Christian and say that Christianity is the only way? Really tell me why, I'd be interested to hear your "reasoning."

Maybe you're familiar with John 14:6?
'Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me."'

If you believe in Christianity as one of your many possible religions, then you should also believe that verrse as being true.
Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

I am a Discordian, hail Eris. All the world could use a little more chaos, not total anarchy but we must have a balance of creative chaos and creative order.

Maybe you're familiar with John 14:6?
'Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me."'

If you believe in Christianity as one of your many possible religions, then you should also believe that verrse as being true.
Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

Heheh... Just like I thought. You can't tell me why you believe only in Christianity! I knew you wouldn't answer it. That's because you CAN'T without proving I'm right about believing what you're told.

Like I said earlier, I don't take the Bible at face value because it was written by people and it's highly "interpretable." I could interpret that quote to mean that Jesus is saying that people will only reach God by understanding and reaching love and enlightenment, since this is what Jesus and Buddha really represent anyways.

I'm a total athiest. It all seems rather silly to me. I respect everyones right to believe what ever they choose and I try to respect the point of view as well.

Forgive the crudeness, but why the freakin' heck do you spell it with a 'k'?
That's like, from Warcraft or something.

\no its not u idiot, its to seperate it from illusionary magic like pulling rabbits out of hats. u no nothing about Magick, a lot of get our power from nature not hell, we dont even believe in hell.

Just for those of you who are christian I have a nice little list of reasons why it is kinda silly, you know bible BS as I call it i will post 1 of the links

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

I say that everyone should at least give the Principia Discordia 1 read, and for those of you who get it and get enlightened :) Also check out the Apocryphy Discordia

I say that everyone should at least give the Principia Discordia 1 read, and for those of you who get it and get enlightened :) Also check out the Apocryphy Discordia

Where?

Heheh... Just like I thought. You can't tell me why you believe only in Christianity! I knew you wouldn't answer it. That's because you CAN'T without proving I'm right about believing what you're told.

Like I said earlier, I don't take the Bible at face value because it was written by people and it's highly "interpretable." I could interpret that quote to mean that Jesus is saying that people will only reach God by understanding and reaching love and enlightenment, since this is what Jesus and Buddha really represent anyways.

The Bible is quite clear when it is to be interpreted. And, since Jesus said "I am the way," He clearly does not mean to be taken metaphorically as enlightenment being the Way to God.

Alright, without the Bible, I will give reasons not to be a New-Ager, but rather to believe in Christianity. You did not specify where you wanted your evidence from.
Now, firstoff, to attack New-Agesim, the very name itself, NEW-Ageism, implies that it is a contemporary theory, nothing that has established traditions. Also, I believe, partially for that very reason, that it is a conformist ideal. An idea for those who do not with to create conflict.
Now, to help along Christianity:
It is one of the longest lasting religions in the world, giving to it a certain credibility that not even Bhuddism can claim.
Also, it was, at the time, a radically different religion. The only one that actually accepted the existence of merely ONE God.
In addition, it was based off of, and is actually merely a fulfillment of the prophecies of, Judaism, the oldest and most credible religion recognized ever.
And, here's what takes the biscuit, it is the only religion with a Savior. I have researched all major world religons, and none of them actually have a savior, with the possible exception of Judaism, which promises one (as a side note the promise was fulfilled, giving rise to Christianity). Although many offer prophets, books, prayers, and such, all of them say that good deeds are the primary way to get you into heaven or its equivalent.
Again, Christianity is the only religion that's personal. It actually carries the title Relationship, because it is a Relationship between the Christian and his Savior. Every other religion has a god that is impersonal, some big guy in the sky, Christianity is the only one that actually tells you that your God has been human, and knows EXACTLY what you've been going through, having gone through it Himself.

There, that's plenty of reasons. And it is also what you have to GAIN by believing in Christianity. So, tell me, what do you have to lose by it?

Well, we're an uneducated little Catholic now, aren't we? "Magick" is the term given by occultists to their demon-related rituals. Depending on your beliefs, there also may be supernatural occurences involved.

Just for those of you who are christian I have a nice little list of reasons why it is kinda silly, you know bible BS as I call it i will post 1 of the links

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Let me guess, you got that link from another debating atheist? I thought so. I have no reason to trust it as true, and there is a very good reason for EVERY stinkin' "contradiction" that it states.

Let me guess, you got that link from another debating atheist? I thought so. I have no reason to trust it as true, and there is a very good reason for EVERY stinkin' "contradiction" that it states.

Name those reasons.

Let me guess, you got that link from another debating atheist? I thought so. I have no reason to trust it as true, and there is a very good reason for EVERY stinkin' "contradiction" that it states.
As we have no reason to trust your bible as true ... thoes errors have been around as long as the bible has

The Principia Discordia can be found in book form or here http://www.ology.org/principia/body.html

The Apocrypha Discordia can be found here
www.23ae.com/files/apocrypha2.pdf

There are even more books out there

CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

i dont think an eight year old could be evil intentionally i think this is a spelling mistake, the bible was passed down for a long time and the rewritten and republish alot.

NOOO

My battery's running low and the plug is in the car, which is currently 40 miles away

Gotta go.

Well, we're an uneducated little Catholic now, aren't we? "Magick" is the term given by occultists to their demon-related rituals. Depending on your beliefs, there also may be supernatural occurences involved.

Shows what you know "magick is not always demon related, Discordians have Magick but we personally have nothing AT ALL to do with demons

Believe in what you want, then. Personally, I believe that all significant supernatural power originates at either God or at Satan. Since you don't appear to have any faith in God... But anyways, I'm not going to argue this point. You believe what you want to, I'll believe what I want to.

I see these polls all the time and most of the time the list isn't correct (at least it isn't IMHO).
Firstly, the Magic/Demonology thing is all off. Magic is a practice, not a religion. Demonology belongs to the realm of the churchianities (Jews, Christians of all sorts, Muslims) and as such shouldn't be a separate "religion".
Cults are just that - cults, not religions.
And you missed completely what is commonly called "Pagan" otherwise collectively known as "Earth Religions" whose common component is a God/Goddess pair (at the very least although polytheism is certainly allowed).
If you want to redo the list and fix the goofs, you might get a somewhat more valid response set. In any case, count me (and the nation of CubeWeasels) under "Earth Religions".

The Bible is quite clear when it is to be interpreted. And, since Jesus said "I am the way," He clearly does not mean to be taken metaphorically as enlightenment being the Way to God.

Alright, without the Bible, I will give reasons not to be a New-Ager, but rather to believe in Christianity. You did not specify where you wanted your evidence from.
Now, firstoff, to attack New-Agesim, the very name itself, NEW-Ageism, implies that it is a contemporary theory, nothing that has established traditions. Also, I believe, partially for that very reason, that it is a conformist ideal. An idea for those who do not with to create conflict.
Now, to help along Christianity:
It is one of the longest lasting religions in the world, giving to it a certain credibility that not even Bhuddism can claim.
Also, it was, at the time, a radically different religion. The only one that actually accepted the existence of merely ONE God.
In addition, it was based off of, and is actually merely a fulfillment of the prophecies of, Judaism, the oldest and most credible religion recognized ever.
And, here's what takes the biscuit, it is the only religion with a Savior. I have researched all major world religons, and none of them actually have a savior, with the possible exception of Judaism, which promises one (as a side note the promise was fulfilled, giving rise to Christianity). Although many offer prophets, books, prayers, and such, all of them say that good deeds are the primary way to get you into heaven or its equivalent.
Again, Christianity is the only religion that's personal. It actually carries the title Relationship, because it is a Relationship between the Christian and his Savior. Every other religion has a god that is impersonal, some big guy in the sky, Christianity is the only one that actually tells you that your God has been human, and knows EXACTLY what you've been going through, having gone through it Himself.

There, that's plenty of reasons. And it is also what you have to GAIN by believing in Christianity. So, tell me, what do you have to lose by it?

You are so wrong it's not even funny.

For starters, Hinduism is by far the oldest religion. In fact, it may have originated as much as 1000 years before Judaism. Also, Buddhism was in existence about 300 years before Christianity. And where the heck did you get the idea that Christianity is the only religion with a savior? In Hinduism, God humbled himself twice as Incarnations of Vishnu in the human forms of Rama and Krishna. Hindus are waiting for the tenth and final incarnation of Vishnu, while Buddhists (by the way, Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism) believe that he already came in the form of Buddha. Sounds awfully familiar, does it not?

And I have to disagree with you about the impersonal thing. I can't speak so much for Islam, but for Hinduism and Buddhism I can. Buddha was a person too. God humbled himself just like he did with Jesus. Buddha was born to be a prince, but he forsook that life and took on a life of love and enlightenment, free of material possesions. In fact, some of the Hindu Gods are impersonal and some aren't. The creator, Brahma, has only one temple dedicated to him in all of India, just for that reason. Hinduism has acquired the perfect balance over its 5000 years of existence. The polar opposite of Brahma would be Ganesh, the whimsical elephant-headed deity who removes obstacles in the path of good deeds and places obstacles in the path of evil deeds. He is seen everywhere in India, on bumperstickers, advertisements, paintings. He is wisdom, and the people, the heart of India, love him.

Unfortuantely the word Pagan seems to be getting trashed by the Christians, they seem to believe that all non-christian religions are pagan and seem to like to look down upon them, in this case yes Discordianism is pagan but Goddess is no demoness or any bullcrap like that.

Unfortuantely the word Pagan seems to be getting trashed by the Christians, they seem to believe that all non-christian religions are pagan and seem to like to look down upon them, in this case yes Discordianism is pagan but Goddess is no demoness or any bullcrap like that.

I know. I'll usually use "polytheistic" or "the [insert culture] pantheon" because I like those beliefs more. All I want to do is bring back the worship of the old Greek gods, especially my favorite, Pan. :)

You are so wrong it's not even funny.

For starters, Hinduism is by far the oldest religion. In fact, it may have originated as much as 1000 years before Judaism. Also, Buddhism was in existence about 300 years before Christianity. And where the heck did you get the idea that Christianity is the only religion with a savior? In Hinduism, God humbled himself twice as Incarnations of Vishnu in the human forms of Rama and Krishna. Hindus are waiting for the tenth and final incarnation of Vishnu, while Buddhists (by the way, Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism) believe that he already came in the form of Buddha. Sounds awfully familiar, does it not?

And I have to disagree with you about the impersonal thing. I can't speak so much for Islam, but for Hinduism and Buddhism I can. Buddha was a person too. God humbled himself just like he did with Jesus. Buddha was born to be a prince, but he forsook that life and took on a life of love and enlightenment, free of material possesions. In fact, some of the Hindu Gods are impersonal and some aren't. The creator, Brahma, has only one temple dedicated to him in all of India, just for that reason. Hinduism has acquired the perfect balance over its 5000 years of existence. The polar opposite of Brahma would be Ganesh, the whimsical elephant-headed deity who removes obstacles in the path of good deeds and places obstacles in the path of evil deeds. He is seen everywhere in India, on bumperstickers, advertisements, paintings. He is wisdom, and the people, the heart of India, love him.

Sorry but you are wrong about something, Wicca is the absolute first religion though it was lost for many a year,and was only recently revived it is where the term pagan actually originally came from, "Wicca, pretending to be an ancient religion since 1942" lol.

I know. I'll usually use "polytheistic" or "the [insert culture] pantheon" because I like those beliefs more. All I want to do is bring back the worship of the old Greek gods, especially my favorite, Pan. :)

In fact Discordianism sort of pulls a little bit (just a teency bit) off of greek gods, Eris (or to the romans discordia) was viewed as a trouble maker but in fact this is a misconception, she was infact only giving a little bit of chaos to the grey-faces up there. "You can't trust the greek gods, after all they were victims of indegestion"

I might be wrong but... Isn't wicca a collection of ideas? I mean, there isn't one set "religion" of wicca, right? I have the feeling it isn't older, since early humans migrated to India long before they got to Europe but... I could be wrong.

I might be wrong but... Isn't wicca a collection of ideas? I mean, there isn't one set "religion" of wicca, right? I have the feeling it isn't older, since early humans migrated to India long before they got to Europe but... I could be wrong.

Actually Wicca was around first, it is more or less (more than less) the very first religion

55% of people who claim to be Jews(Religion) do not believe in God
22% of Catholics who claim to be Catholic do not believe in God
17% of Christens who claim to be Christen do not believe in God

Does anyone else find something wrong with this?

I am not one of the 22% of the Catholics, I am probably part of the 78%.

82% of statistics are made up on the spot to prove a point.

55% of people who claim to be Jews(Religion) do not believe in God
22% of Catholics who claim to be Catholic do not believe in God
17% of Christens who claim to be Christen do not believe in God

Does anyone else find something wrong with this?

I am not one of the 22% of the Catholics, I am probably part of the 78%.

I find it wrong! How can you be Catholic and not believe in God? :confused:

You are so wrong it's not even funny.

For starters, Hinduism is by far the oldest religion. In fact, it may have originated as much as 1000 years before Judaism. Also, Buddhism was in existence about 300 years before Christianity. And where the heck did you get the idea that Christianity is the only religion with a savior? In Hinduism, God humbled himself twice as Incarnations of Vishnu in the human forms of Rama and Krishna. Hindus are waiting for the tenth and final incarnation of Vishnu, while Buddhists (by the way, Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism) believe that he already came in the form of Buddha. Sounds awfully familiar, does it not?

And I have to disagree with you about the impersonal thing. I can't speak so much for Islam, but for Hinduism and Buddhism I can. Buddha was a person too. God humbled himself just like he did with Jesus. Buddha was born to be a prince, but he forsook that life and took on a life of love and enlightenment, free of material possesions. In fact, some of the Hindu Gods are impersonal and some aren't. The creator, Brahma, has only one temple dedicated to him in all of India, just for that reason. Hinduism has acquired the perfect balance over its 5000 years of existence. The polar opposite of Brahma would be Ganesh, the whimsical elephant-headed deity who removes obstacles in the path of good deeds and places obstacles in the path of evil deeds. He is seen everywhere in India, on bumperstickers, advertisements, paintings. He is wisdom, and the people, the heart of India, love him.


Also in Hinduism, there are over 22,000 dieties and they tried to reform it to only one main one after seeing the success of monotheism religions. They were originally going to try for only one God(dess) but it would confuse the followers too much.

I personally think (This might offend people and for that I am sorry) hinduism is a form of paganism.

Now the Bibal bashers, the Pope said that most of the things in the bibal are metaphorical. These include most of the first testament (Jewish torah (may be spelt wrong)).

82% of statistics are made up on the spot to prove a point.

The numbers changed for that statistic many times. I did not make it up, the people were surveyed by people and i found out at netscape.net in one of the top 5 and went to a hyper link

anyone gunna post nemore or are yall donew witht his one?

I guess it's done.... Peece and Hail Eris P: (I can touch me toungue to me nose :D) P:P:P:

I prefer Satanism. It's the only religion that I know of where you are your own god. :D

I prefer Satanism. It's the only religion that I know of where you are your own god. :D

Atheism does that quite nicely...

I am a Pantheist. All religion comes from the attempt of Man to understand his place in the Universe, all religion originated from early Man personifying the forces of Nature as Gods or Spirits, therefore the source of this feeling you are in the presence of the supernatural is a reaction Man has to the Earth and the Universe in which it exists. Since the Universe is what Man is actually reacting to then the Universe itself is divine in a sense, and the very Earth on which we live is sacred. That isn't to say the universe is God in a supernatural sense or is a living being but it has the same characteristics as "God". In many ways I am like an atheist but I feel a spiritual connection to the Universe.

I am a Satanist, and have been for many years. I also recognize my various pagan roots.

Just for everyones information: The option "cult" being included in the poll fails to recognize the fact that ALL religions are cults. The larger, more mainstream cults just get to redefine themselves and the terms "cult" and "religion" to appear to be respectable. In the end its still the same, and we all die.

Deist. I've come to the conclusion that due to the complexity of existence there is a god/goddess/gods/goddesses/force/supernatural thingamajig. I have no idea what he/she/it/they's nature is and I'm not particularly concerned about it.
And on the weekends I'm a Discordian, just because it's a good excuse to randomly shout nonsense.

I said "Other". I'm not religious in any way, but I don't call myself "Athiest". Slap me with that label if it pleases you...

I don't like the term religion. I don't apply that term to my self. Religion is a corruption of faith. Anytime the hand of man touches even something perfect it will be corrupted. I myself believe in a devine being. This being said i also do not believe that any human alive knows what god really is. I believe that he is above our understanding. I also believe that he is infinatly patient and doesn't care by what name you call him or even if you acknowledge him at all. I believe you are judged by your actions as a human being.

I said "Other". I'm not religious in any way, but I don't call myself "Athiest". Slap me with that label if it pleases you...

Just curious what would you consider yourself?

Christian Protestant

I'm a Christian who daily tries to prove it. I think denominations only truly serve to create rifts in the Church. I can however understand and appreciate differences of opinion on traditionalism and ways that one chooses to express his/her affection towards our Savior. I disagree with other religions, as should anyone who truly adheres to their own, but do my best to treat everyone with the love and kindness that was first shown me.

Since a lot of the Christians replying here seem to be Catholic I'll just throw this one out there: If you claim Christ as your savior you're more than good in my books, and a welcome member of the family, but it seems to me that Catholicism as a whole spends too much time focusing on traditions and doctrine. These are obviously important, but first and foremost should be your personal relationship with Jesus. The greatest Commantment after all was "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind," which in my eyes leans more towards personal growth and relationship than what I usually see from the Catholic Church.

When I look at the Catholic Church I cant help but see the Pharisees and Sadducees of old, who gave their whole lives to the laws of the Jewish faith and lost complete sight of the relationship. Could someone please correct or enlighten me?

Just curious what would you consider yourself?

Must I paint a picture for you? I consider myself a free man, not bound by religion. I don't believe a word of it.

Must I paint a picture for you? I consider myself a free man, not bound by religion. I don't believe a word of it.
so how does that make you not an athiest?

so how does that make you not an athiest?

How people are lost on this, I will never know...

*shakes head in disgust*

How people are lost on this, I will never know...

*shakes head in disgust*

Last i checked atheist don't believe in religion, and you don't believe in religion. How are you different?

Atheist. I've spent too long in a Jesuit school to be Catholic. :P

Last i checked atheist don't believe in religion, and you don't believe in religion. How are you different?

Why don't you read what I said?

Why don't you read what I said?
right you don't consider yourself an atheist because you don't believe in religion. well done. Excelent point. nicely made.

right you don't consider yourself an atheist because you don't believe in religion. well done. Excelent point. nicely made.

Some people are just here to be stubborn, I suppose.

*walks off into the distance*

Some people are just here to be stubborn, I suppose.

*walks off into the distance*

are you talking about me or you? because i'm willing to listen if your going to make a point but you haven't made one yet.

are you talking about me or you? because i'm willing to listen if your going to make a point but you haven't made one yet.

Oh, I made a point. Very clearly, at that. You just can't seem to grasp what it is that I meant.

Oh, I made a point. Very clearly, at that. You just can't seem to grasp what it is that I meant.

I said "Other". I'm not religious in any way, but I don't call myself "Athiest". Slap me with that label if it pleases you...

Must I paint a picture for you? I consider myself a free man, not bound by religion. I don't believe a word of it.

How people are lost on this, I will never know...

*shakes head in disgust*

Why don't you read what I said?

Some people are just here to be stubborn, I suppose.

*walks off into the distance*


where do you make a point?

I said "Other". I'm not religious in any way, but I don't call myself "Athiest". Slap me with that label if it pleases you...

Must I paint a picture for you? I consider myself a free man, not bound by religion. I don't believe a word of it.

How people are lost on this, I will never know...

*shakes head in disgust*

Why don't you read what I said?

Some people are just here to be stubborn, I suppose.

*walks off into the distance*


where do you make a point?

I'll leave you to yourself, so you can possibly figure it out someday.

I'll leave you to yourself, so you can possibly figure it out someday.

so you can't explain it then?

so you can't explain it then?

I can definitely explain it, but I'd very much like to see you figure it out on your own.

I can definitely explain it, but I'd very much like to see you figure it out on your own.

right i've used that one myself but keep trying someday it might work.

*sigh*

the funny thing is i thought you had something different so i politly asked to learn more because i think relgion is fascination to study, but you just couldn't believe i didn't understand and than i should figure it out with out you explaining it. you haven't given one shread of evidence that you are anything but athiest and think you've made a point. i'm listening if you would like to explain.

the funny thing is i thought you had something different so i politly asked to learn more because i think relgion is fascination to study, but you just couldn't believe i didn't understand and than i should figure it out with out you explaining it. you haven't given one shread of evidence that you are anything but athiest and think you've made a point. i'm listening if you would like to explain.

You've got no clue, do you?

You've got no clue, do you?
lets assume not and you can explain.

lets assume not and you can explain.

I wonder, do you think I'm that gullible? Look, this is getting out of hand --- Either figure out what I meant, or just end it. I'm not gonna spell it out for you.

I wonder, do you think I'm that gullible? Look, this is getting out of hand --- Either figure out what I meant, or just end it. I'm not gonna spell it out for you.

right moron then got it thanks. Well i'm going to cash out because the only ones on are the rp's and thats kinda boring. so its been nice not having an intelligent conversation with you and i hope your non relgious but non atheist thing works out for you.

Also in Hinduism, there are over 22,000 dieties and they tried to reform it to only one main one after seeing the success of monotheism religions. They were originally going to try for only one God(dess) but it would confuse the followers too much.

I personally think (This might offend people and for that I am sorry) hinduism is a form of paganism.

Now the Bibal bashers, the Pope said that most of the things in the bibal are metaphorical. These include most of the first testament (Jewish torah (may be spelt wrong)).

I agree with you on the metaphorical bible thing, but I have to disagree about Hinduism. Paganism is just a term used by the Christian/Jewish authority to try to scare people into staying Christian/Jewish.

I don't know where you pulled that "reform" crap out of because Hinduism has believed for a long time that all deities are aspects of the one true god (which would makes sense, since hindus believe that god is in everything). Hinduism is by no means polytheistic. It has evolved and gained the perfect balance over 5000 years. The notion that Hinduism is polytheistic came from the Westerner's inability to understand the complex theology of Hinduism.

so how does that make you not an athiest?
The answer is simple. Atheism is a set of beliefs that define a group of people. To lump someone else into the group is to tell them what their beliefs are. Not only that, it allocates all the beliefs associated with that group to that person.

I am against gay marriage and abortion. I try my best to love everyone and I am trying to make it consistent that I put others before myself.

So you would agree when I say (as I do say: it is fundamental to my beliefs) that love is good, and important. Perhaps the most important thing of all.

You would probably agree (I'm guessing) that there is not enough love in the world.

But nevertheless, you support legislation outlawing the public proclamation of love.

Christian (other denomination) I have answered. I am a nominal member of the Church of Sweden (Lutheran), although I would place my self in the "agnostic but wants to be able to fully believe" category... if that makes any sense.

www.svenskakyrkan.se

I am a follower of the Zoroastrian faith.

I am a follower of the Zoroastrian faith.

Were you born into the Zoroastrain faith, or take it up own your own?

Were you born into the Zoroastrain faith, or take it up own your own?

I took it up on my own, and I believe what the Avesta and Gathas state. I was born to two nonreligious Iranian parents, and have expressed my desire to join. I know, if you are a Parsi, that you do not believe in conversion.

I'm agnostic I suppose.
I like religion, study wise, got a shelf of books dedicated to all things religion, from the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tze (Taoism) to the Secrets of the Code by Dan Burstien. I like Druidism (hence nation's name) and Shintoism, that religion kicks, and Buddhism, but I'm definitately not a pacifist. But I guess there is no religion for me, but I don't really want to think there isn't something out there, just to cover a base so if I kick the bucket any time soon, I can least use this excuse:
"Come on man! My family is Roman Catholic, I'm the first nonChristian in my family since you sent ole St. Patty over! Don't blame me oh God, blame the public schools....and teenage hormones!" :p

I took it up on my own, and I believe what the Avesta and Gathas state. I was born to two nonreligious Iranian parents, and have expressed my desire to join. I know, if you are a Parsi, that you do not believe in conversion.

Very interesting. Zoroastians Priests visited Jesus shortly after His birth (Magi).

Agnostic. Because I really don't know anymore. I believe in some great force, but what or who it is I don't know.

I'm one of those people whose beliefs sway too often to really work well into organized religion.

-Asylum Nova

I took it up on my own, and I believe what the Avesta and Gathas state. I was born to two nonreligious Iranian parents, and have expressed my desire to join. I know, if you are a Parsi, that you do not believe in conversion.

Oh yeah, met you in another thread. (about religion too, interesting...) I still haven't found anything on Zoroastrianism (is it an -ism? I'm pretty much clueless to this thang)at my local Borders (damn Corporations are just ticking me off more and more lately) ... Quick question on it, is it one of the religions that believe in the never ending battle of good and evil within? Can't remember...

Oh yeah, met you in another thread. (about religion too, interesting...) I still haven't found anything on Zoroastrianism (is it an -ism? I'm pretty much clueless to this thang)at my local Borders (damn Corporations are just ticking me off more and more lately) ... Quick question on it, is it one of the religions that believe in the never ending battle of good and evil within? Can't remember...

This might help with your search for Zoroastrianism.


http://bahai.freeservers.com/zoro.html

GoodThoughts, you rock dude.

GoodThoughts, you rock dude.

I once I rocked. Now I'm just a rock. ;) Hope you enjoyed it.

Oh,btw I'm a former Catholic myself.

I Object to Athiesm being referred to as a religion. By definition it is a lack thereof.

[QUOTE=Einsteinian Big-Heads]I Object to Athiesm being referred to as a religion. By definition it is a lack thereof.[/QUOTE

Ok. Fine by me.

Athiesm isn't the lack of a religion, it is the disbelieving in a 'God'. A religion is just a way of explaining the unexplained, whether from a 'Holy' view or a philosophical one. A religion doesn't always have a God...

Athiesm isn't the lack of a religion, it is the disbelieving in a 'God'. A religion is just a way of explaining the unexplained, whether from a 'Holy' view or a philosophical one. A religion doesn't always have a God...

This debate has gone on before. I agree with what you are saying. I just find it a rather unnecessary discussion. What difference does it make it some people want to call it a religion? Does it change anything? To me the answer is no. Just how I feel about though.

Athiesm isn't the lack of a religion, it is the disbelieving in a 'God'. A religion is just a way of explaining the unexplained, whether from a 'Holy' view or a philosophical one. A religion doesn't always have a God...

Like Rugby in NZ, though Jonah could be a God :D

Seriously though, I believe that a relgion must have a divine aspect to it, whether in a God / Gods or in another respect. I think you may be confusing religion with philosphy...

This debate has gone on before. I agree with what you are saying. I just find it a rather unnecessary discussion. What difference does it make it some people want to call it a religion? Does it change anything? To me the answer is no. Just how I feel about though.

I know, just saying...I mean, even google's dictionary says atheism is: "the doctrine or belief that there is no God" Religion doesn't have to include a God...And Google knows all....All hail the Google Guru!

Like Rugby in NZ, though Jonah could be a God :D

Seriously though, I believe that a relgion must have a divine aspect to it, whether in a God / Gods or in another respect. I think you may be confusing religion with philosphy...

Well, some examples of a religion lacking a God or some form of diety: Buddhism, Shintoism, Druidism (though the ancient Celts did add a list of Gods and Goddesses, but there is no official list of a divine being and most modern Druids are...Godless) just to name a few

I know, just saying...I mean, even google's dictionary says atheism is: "the doctrine or belief that there is no God" Religion doesn't have to include a God...And Google knows all....All hail the Google Guru!


Yep, I understand. I just am in awe sometimes how heated some people get about the two different viewpoints. Well, it is late for me midnight. I gotta go to bed.

Like Rugby in NZ, though Jonah could be a God :D

Seriously though, I believe that a relgion must have a divine aspect to it, whether in a God / Gods or in another respect. I think you may be confusing religion with philosphy...
I think for something to qualify as a religion in needs to have supernatural explanations for things, but it doesn't have to have a god. For example Buddhists believe in an afterlife (Nirvana), reincarnation, etc, but they do not necessarily believe in gods.

Well, some examples of a religion lacking a God or some form of diety: Buddhism, Shintoism, Druidism (though the ancient Celts did add a list of Gods and Goddesses, but there is no official list of a divine being and most modern Druids are...Godless) just to name a few

You know I wonder where this idea of Buddhism lacking a God comes from. I am unaware of this. In fact I think I will go look and post here before I go to bed.

didn't make it. night all.

Well, some examples of a religion lacking a God or some form of diety: Buddhism, Shintoism, Druidism (though the ancient Celts did add a list of Gods and Goddesses, but there is no official list of a divine being and most modern Druids are...Godless) just to name a few

Okay, I see what you mean, perhaps my original post wasn't quite as good as I thought it would be...

How about this way of thinking:

I really dont think that atheism is a religion in much the same way that [I dont think] theism is a religion. You cannot say that theism is a religion, rather a philosophy which encompasses neumerous religions. In the same way, you cannot say that atheism is a religion because there are religious, as well as unreligious, branches of atheism. See what I mean?

Hold on for a minute here, wot about for people that are not religious and have no belive in somthing that does not exist ?Whi does human race have to alwais belive in somthing that isnt there ? Whi are we so easy to be manipulated by religion ?

Buddha was man who reached a state of enlightenment. There is no God in Buddhism, only true enlightenment. After death, one is reincarnated and the Buddhist attempts again to reach self enlightenment....I think I said that right. Check google, Goolge knows all!

Okay, I see what you mean, perhaps my original post wasn't quite as good as I thought it would be...

How about this way of thinking:

I really dont think that atheism is a religion in much the same way that theism is a religion. You cannot say that theism is a religion, rather a philosophy which encompasses neumerous religions. In the same way, you cannot say that atheism is a religion because there are religious, as well as unreligious, branches of atheism. See what I mean?

Hm, interesting way of looking at it. Neo-Druidism is kinda like that. Here, you might like this quote:

"...It's a philosophy and you can worship a God or a Goddess, it's up to you. You can be a Christian or a Moslem or anything else and still be a Druid. "But while a Christian will say God made that tree, a Druid will say the energy of a creative force is in that tree." Kieron, a North-East UK Druid.

Hold on for a minute here, wot about for people that are not religious and have no belive in somthing that does not exist ?Whi does human race have to alwais belive in somthing that isnt there ? Whi are we so easy to be manipulated by religion ?
That would be agnosticism athiesm or other depending

what religion or cult do you follow? Why?

If I must be put in a box, then:

Lakota.

It found me.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand, if telling other religions that they are wrong, then I could still practically sue everyone that I have debated with on this forum,and quite a few others.
Perhaps, but then again they can sue you and the two suets would null eachother. And secondly there is no way for any of us past, present, and future, including moses, jesus, or mohamad to know what lays beyond death. But since we can't find out we make conjectures about afterlives and how they will be. That is natural and understood, but as for telling you to live a certain way, that is a grey area, while telling you that all other religions are wrong and inclining that they must be destroyed, there is no grey area it is a black as it gets.

So remember we are creatures of thought, not animals of instinct. We have a choice to make, to choose a religion, to make your own, or to not follow one at all. But when we take away the rights of others to follow a teaching they think is right then we have overstepped our bounds, that is the exception is if it is to stop the taking of life. An act grey in it's self but tainted by the reason behind it.

The truth we know is the truth we accept.

Never let a man take your pride or right that is the truth I accept.

I said "Other". I'm not religious in any way, but I don't call myself "Athiest". Slap me with that label if it pleases you...

Must I paint a picture for you? I consider myself a free man, not bound by religion. I don't believe a word of it.

How people are lost on this, I will never know...

*shakes head in disgust*

Why don't you read what I said?

Some people are just here to be stubborn, I suppose.

*walks off into the distance*


where do you make a point?

hes one of those snobby bastards who 'don't believe in labels'

I'm a Deist. Used to be a Christian, but there was just too much stuff that I didn't agree with, or couldn't justify with logic. Now, I don't really believe in anything that demands belief without evidence.

I lean to two diffrent religions. I do not agree with either one 100 percent, and I do not disagree with either one 100% I lean towards Christian Identity and also look at odinism. Pretty soon I will be deciding which one to go to 100%

Im actually a Christain Witch: A person who does spells and rituals but still bileives in one and the almighty God. (Not trying to affgend any1)...

I am "Hundu". Oscillating between Advaita and Vaishnava philosophies.

who is the other "Hundu" here.

Okay, we're going to try this again. And, Mr. Moderator, please do NOT close down the thread when I am just finished typing and about to post a five-paragraph piece of debate.

There, what religion or cult do you follow? Why?

You know, by now that the whole purpose of this thread is for debate. So let's not start a whole 'nother flame war this time, then, okay?

Please, also, forgive me for not having Judaism up there. It was a terrible mistake! I thought I had it!
Poll Coming Up.

Edit: Poll has now arrived, please do not take any heed of previous prediction.


Roman Catholic because:
- of the respect I have for the Holy Roman Catholic Church and the papacy
- it is the only religion that promotes peace and love for all
- it provides sensible answers regarding man and its purpose

Christian (Nazarene, a Protestant church)

Key Bible verses:

Romans 10:9-10
John 3:16-17

(off the top of my head)

Prettiest Old Testament chapter: Psalms 23

Prettiest New Testament chapter: 1 Corinthians 13

If anyone wants to research the Bible, a good site for such work is biblegateway.com

YAY CATHOLICS!
I actually am two different kinds of Catholic. Yes, there's more than one kind. I was baptized Chaldean Catholic, but confimed Roman Catholic. I guess I'm more Roman Catholic (not least because I can't understand the Chaldean language).

buddism becouse it makes the most sense to me.and prier to every one bileve it is a philosophy not a reliigion but some take it to exrems and make it look that way. the buddha sayed do not warship me. but he also sayed practicde loveingkindness and compasion.and i have found these to be true of most religion. the noble truths
1. the first noble truth suffering
2.the second noble truth of the origin of suffering
3.the third noble truth of the extinction of suffering
4.the forh noble truth of the path that leads to the extincton of suffering
right understanding
right mindedness
right speech
right action
right living
right effort
right attentivenness
right concentration
;)