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You’re not worth it!

Klonor
12-04-2005, 23:28
We’ve all seen the action/adventure movie where, after hours and hours of struggle to reach the villain and fighting his/her way through hundreds of minor henchmen, the hero has the villain at the end of his gun/sword/spear/pointy stick/etc. and you’re thinking to yourself “Finally, justice is at hand!” The two usually have some small bit of dialogue, occasionally a final plea for life from the villain or more of the usual “You’re weak” that the villain has been spouting the whole movie, and then when the camera is solely on the hero and you can’t see the villain you see the hero shoot/cut/stab/poke/etc. The camera then moves to the villain and you see that the hero has shot/cut/stabbed/poked/etc. right next to the villains head and the hero says “You’re not worth it” and doesn’t move to finish off the villain. In most movies the villain will then do something to force the hero, or somebody working with the hero, to kill him, moving for a hidden gun on his leg or trying to escape or some other such thing, but it’s always out of necessity and not because the hero chooses to finish off the villain. Now, what I just don’t get is, why isn’t the villain ever worth it?

The villain is a mass murderer, a drug lord, a weapons smuggler, or some other such hideous person whose actions have resulted in the death and incapacitation of hundreds of innocent people. The hero has been personally wronged, and so have people close to the hero. The hero has every right to take revenge, why doesn’t he? Seriously, why not? Is it because he’s simply above killing? That might be it, if the hero hadn’t already killed hundreds of henchmen when invading the villains’ stronghold. Is it because the hero is a cop and isn’t allowed to kill someone who has already surrendered? That might be it, if the villain wasn’t still trying to fight and clearly hadn’t given up. Is it because the hero is inherently good and simply doesn’t have the stomach for slaughtering a captured foe? That might work, too, if you hadn’t already seen him kill many captured foes.

The henchmen are always worth it, killed when the hero is going after the villain, and so is anybody else who is ‘evil’ and between the hero and his goal. But the villain, the main bad guy responsible for all the evil actions of his underlings and the source of all the hero’s troubles, is never worth it. Why the hell not?
Sdaeriji
12-04-2005, 23:31
Because the idea is that the hero always has the villian completely defeated by that time. The bad guy is completely at the hero's mercy. However, the hero does not want to kill the villian in cold blood like that, no matter how much he deserves it, because to do so would be falling to the bad guy's level. The hero shows he is better than the villian by not killing a defenseless foe.
Chicken pi
12-04-2005, 23:36
In my experience, the hero is usually more than happy to kill the villain. But then I don't watch that many movies.
Klonor
12-04-2005, 23:37
But the villain isn't defenceless! He's still got a gun in his holster or a sword strapped to his back! Plus, how could that drop him down to the villains level if the hero has already killed beaten and defenceless bad guys in the past? Wouldn't he then already be on the villains level, and if he's not why would one more put him there?
Parduna
13-04-2005, 12:45
I must confess that in modern movies the only way to distinguish heroes from villains is: the one who survives must have been the hero, the other one must have been the villain.
(Oh, and most of the time, the villains are played by better actors.)
The odd one
13-04-2005, 12:50
the villain is usuallly an egomaniac. the humiliation of not being 'worth killing' is supposedly the worst thing that could happen to them.
Pepe Dominguez
13-04-2005, 12:54
the villain is usuallly an egomaniac. the humiliation of not being 'worth killing' is supposedly the worst thing that could happen to them.

Exactly. Same concept applies to the villain blown to smithereens by a bomb or explosion of some kind. Some guy thinking he's invincible gets demolished in a comical way, another ego joke.
Kanabia
13-04-2005, 13:00
the villain is usuallly an egomaniac. the humiliation of not being 'worth killing' is supposedly the worst thing that could happen to them.

Yeah...that's what they want you to think. And when the hero spouts his "you're not worth it, i'm so noble, blah blah" the villain pulls out his revolver and puts one inbetween the heroes eyes, spits on his corpse, and walks off to go and do more evil stuff...just after grabbing the attractive woman that is always present in final scenes around the waist and hoisting her over his shoulder (she realises that she loves the villain because he's so badass and cool. Way cooler than that pansy do-gooder hero).

At least, that's what i'd do if I was said villain or the movie director. :D
Greater Yubari
13-04-2005, 13:01
It's because the hero usually is a pussy and doesn't have the balls to finish his job, thus he dishonors himself and technically the bad guy should win in that case. If good is too stupid to finish the job, then let bad win!
The odd one
13-04-2005, 13:02
Yeah...that's what they want you to think. And when the hero spouts his "you're not worth it, i'm so noble, blah blah" the villain pulls out his revolver and puts one inbetween the heroes eyes, spits on his corpse, and walks off to go and do more evil stuff...just after grabbing the attractive woman that is always present in final scenes around the waist and hoisting her over his shoulder (she realises that she loves the villain because he's so badass and cool. Way cooler than that pansy do-gooder hero).

At least, that's what i'd do if I was said villain or the movie director. :D
hence the 'supposedly' :)
glad you saw the ridiculousness of it.
Kanabia
13-04-2005, 13:06
hence the 'supposedly' :)
glad you saw the ridiculousness of it.

:D

They should so do an action movie that gets rid of all of the cliches. It would follow the main character for the first hour or so...then WHAM, he's killed off (!!!) and the movie follows the villain from that point on. But noooooooo, nobody ever listens to me :p
The odd one
13-04-2005, 13:10
:D

They should so do an action movie that gets rid of all of the cliches. It would follow the main character for the first hour or so...then WHAM, he's killed off (!!!) and the movie follows the villain from that point on. But noooooooo, nobody ever listens to me :p
that's a great idea. i want to make a movie where you never see the hero's face, and not that he's wearin a mask or anything, but that the camera never points at him. trouble is, who'd be willing to play a part where you're never seen?
Legless Pirates
13-04-2005, 13:11
Have you seen SEVEN? And more specifically the end of it?
Blackpebble
13-04-2005, 13:15
:D

They should so do an action movie that gets rid of all of the cliches. It would follow the main character for the first hour or so...then WHAM, he's killed off (!!!) and the movie follows the villain from that point on. But noooooooo, nobody ever listens to me :p

The reason that’s never done is because supposedly everyone ‘loves’ the hero… personally I would like to see the bad guy win for once…