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Germany's VP of the Bundestag demonstrates why she's in the Green party.

Armed Bookworms
12-04-2005, 13:09
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,druck-350763,00.html


Trans-Atlantic Conspiracy Theory Du Jour

Germany's highest ranking female member of parliament has a new theory: the US government set the Catholic pedophilia scandal in motion because it wanted to weaken an already frail pope. That's also why it made Poland its chief partner in the Iraq war: to make the Vatican look bad. Yeah right.

She may not be the country's most powerful politician, but as the vice-president of the Bundestag, Germany's parliament, Antje Vollmer of the Green Party is one of its highest-ranking women in political office. When she talks, people listen. But last week we were a little baffled when we saw her shameless contribution to the growing canon of anti-American conspiracy theories and baseless analogies circulating in Germany.

First, in Sept. 2002, then-Justice Minister Herta Däubler-Gmelin compared George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler. Then came Andreas von Buelow, the former federal education and research minister whose 2003 conspiracy theory alleging the CIA and Israeli intelligence were responsible for the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington made for a best-selling book. Now Vollmer comes along, implying that the US government chose to draw attention to the Catholic pedophilia scandal not because of the crimes in and of themselves, but because Washington wanted to weaken the pope.

As a guest on the weekly talk show "Berlin Mitte" on Wednesday, Vollmer seemed to be starting off with the right intentions. She spoke of the "wonderful image" of President George Bush, his son President George W. Bush and President Bill Clinton before the body of the pope in St. Peter's Basilica. But then, out of nowhere, she veered straight off a cliff.

Her theory? It seems the U.S. had to do something to weaken the influence of the pope, who was an outspoken opponent of the war in Iraq. Vollmer finds it all very suspicious that after the war, "Poland was made a top occupying power in Iraq, naturally to weaken the pope's hinterland. Or how then, of all times, the campaign against the Catholic Church and the pedophilia was started, which was, of course, totally justified, but at this point in time was definitely a tit-for-tat response." Vollmer found it somehow strange that the US presidents traveled to the Vatican despite the "tough power struggles."

Like a good conspiracy theorist, she doesn't point fingers directly, but lets her comments hang in the air so that others can piece together the message. In essence, with her bizarre ramblings she was saying that the US tried to undercut John Paul II's political influence in Poland by giving his countrymen an important role in occupying Iraq and instigating a pedophile scandal against the church as a sort of smear campaign against the Catholic leader.

In an editorial, DER SPIEGEL's Henryk M. Broder remarks: "Statements like this aren't even commented on these days, just like the popular opinions that that terrorism is the result of poverty and SUVs are responsible for climate change. None of the guests (on the show) attempted to contradict these statements in any way." He points out that, in truth, "the Poles didn't need to be forced to send troops to Iraq, because they trust Washington more than Brussels, Paris or Berlin. The Catholic Church has a recurring history of pedophile scandals in the US as in Europe -- even before the Iraq war. "But all this is meaningless compared to the rage of a Green politician trying to impose her conspiratorial views on a complex reality until everything fits together seamlessly. Whatever the deceased pope had longed for and meant: He does not deserve Antje Vollmer as the executor of his will." (2:30 p.m. CET)

Cuckoo! Cuckoo!
Armed Bookworms
12-04-2005, 14:32
*Pokes thread with stick*
Whispering Legs
12-04-2005, 14:38
I see that the Left has nutjobs as well... :rolleyes:
Pepe Dominguez
12-04-2005, 14:49
Haha. That's classic. Whacky krauts! :p Someone phone Noam Chomsky: he's been unseated!
Hammolopolis
12-04-2005, 14:53
Well yay for completely insane conspiracy theories. I mean thats not even a very good anti-american theory. Whatever happened to September 11th being a conspiracy between america and israel? At least those were fun to listen to.
Kievan-Prussia
12-04-2005, 14:56
Haha. That's classic. Whacky krauts! :p Someone phone Noam Chomsky: he's been unseated!

Screw you racist.
Pepe Dominguez
12-04-2005, 15:01
Screw you racist.

Pfft.. :rolleyes: I think you've got to work on your English, friend. Unless you think I'd pick on Chomsky just for being jewish or slavic or whatever he is (I don't even know), but I can assure you that isn't the case.
Hammolopolis
12-04-2005, 15:01
Screw you racist.
lol get over yourself buddy. Kraut is hardly the worst thing in the world you could be called.
Kievan-Prussia
12-04-2005, 15:06
Pfft.. :rolleyes: I think you've got to work on your English, friend. Unless you think I'd pick on Chomsky just for being jewish or slavic or whatever he is (I don't even know), but I can assure you that isn't the case.

What the **** does this have to do with Chomsky? You called me a kraut, and that's racist. You don't call black people the n-word, do you?
Cogitation
12-04-2005, 15:18
What the **** does this have to do with Chomsky? You called me a kraut, and that's racist. You don't call black people the n-word, do you?
The use of ethnic slurs is hardly encouraged ("Pepe Dominguez", take a hint!), but I will point out something.

He first used the word "krauts" in Post #4 and did not appear to name you, specifically. You came into the topic in Post #6, so he couldn't have been calling you, personally, a "kraut", anyway.

Now the two of you cease-and-desist. I haven't taken any official action against either of you, yet; I'm hoping that I don't need to.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
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Swimmingpool
12-04-2005, 16:14
What are you trying to say about the Green Party, "Bookworm"? We're not all crazy conspiracy theorists like her.
Whispering Legs
12-04-2005, 16:16
What are you trying to say about the Green Party, "Bookworm"? We're not all crazy conspiracy theorists like her.

If people have the right to blame me for everything that comes out of Bush's mouth because I voted for him, then anyone who voted for the German Green Party can take the blame for her.
Frangland
12-04-2005, 16:22
What the **** does this have to do with Chomsky? You called me a kraut, and that's racist. You don't call black people the n-word, do you?

i think "kraut" was short for "sauerkraut"... in which case it was meant to be playful.

Life is allllllll about perception...
Kievan-Prussia
12-04-2005, 16:29
The use of ethnic slurs is hardly encouraged ("Pepe Dominguez", take a hint!), but I will point out something.

He first used the word "krauts" in Post #4 and did not appear to name you, specifically. You came into the topic in Post #6, so he couldn't have been calling you, personally, a "kraut", anyway.

Now the two of you cease-and-desist. I haven't taken any official action against either of you, yet; I'm hoping that I don't need to.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

He insulted my race. It's just as if he insulted me.
Portu Cale MK3
12-04-2005, 16:34
i think "kraut" was short for "sauerkraut"... in which case it was meant to be playful.

Life is allllllll about perception...


His perception is that Kraut is a derogatory term (and mine too).

Still, and going to the thread.. So, she is a nutjob? Should i go post every mad ramblings that Limbaugh or Savage spew of their mouths? You Americans indeed are getting nervous.. ;)
Swimmingpool
12-04-2005, 17:37
If people have the right to blame me for everything that comes out of Bush's mouth because I voted for him, then anyone who voted for the German Green Party can take the blame for her.
You are not to blame for what Bush says. I'd never do that to you. ;)

Also, I never voted for the German Green Party (me = not German) but I am a member of the Irish Green Party. The German Green party is one of 31 other Green parties we are affiliated to.

EDIT: Oh please knock of the "kraut" whining. It's not the worst racial slur ever to be called and it wasn't directed at you personally. I don't start raging every time I see someone write "drunken Irish louts". It's stupid in the extreme, but not worth having a fit over.
Kievan-Prussia
12-04-2005, 17:41
His perception is that Kraut is a derogatory term (and mine too).

Still, and going to the thread.. So, she is a nutjob? Should i go post every mad ramblings that Limbaugh or Savage spew of their mouths? You Americans indeed are getting nervous.. ;)

Don't forget Coulter.
Kievan-Prussia
12-04-2005, 17:43
You are not to blame for what Bush says. I'd never do that to you. ;)

Also, I never voted for the German Green Party (me = not German) but I am a member of the Irish Green Party. The German Green party is one of 31 other Green parties we are affiliated to.

EDIT: Oh please knock of the "kraut" whining. It's not the worst racial slur ever to be called and it wasn't directed at you personally. I don't start raging every time I see someone write "drunken Irish louts". It's stupid in the extreme, but not worth having a fit over.

So it's ok when someone insults Germans, but when someone says the n-word, it's the end of the friggin' universe?
Whispering Legs
12-04-2005, 17:43
Don't forget Coulter.

Coulter and Limbaugh aren't elected officials.
Kievan-Prussia
12-04-2005, 17:46
Coulter and Limbaugh aren't elected officials.

Yeah, but more people listen to them than German officials.
Whispering Legs
12-04-2005, 17:47
Yeah, but more people listen to them than German officials.

You would think that since the German officials were elected (and because someone voted for them) that someone would listen to them.
Kievan-Prussia
12-04-2005, 17:50
You would think that since the German officials were elected (and because someone voted for them) that someone would listen to them.

Nah, Germans just vote for anyone. We prefer anarchy.
Swimmingpool
12-04-2005, 17:59
Nah, Germans just vote for anyone. We prefer anarchy.
Those crazy krauts! :D

No, I agree that "kraut" is stupid, but I don't think that saying "******" is the end of the world.