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Should they confiscate the money from the Republican party? (poll)

Sumamba Buwhan
11-04-2005, 22:25
GIVE IT BACK, GEORGE (www.GregPalast.com )
Did Wyly Coyotes' Ill-Gotten Loot Buy White House?

by Greg Palast
Monday, April 11, 2005

When the feds swoop down and cuff racketeers, they also load the vans
with all the perp's ill-gotten gains: stacks of cash, BMWs, hideaway
houses, whatever. Their associates have to cough up the goodies too --
lady friends must give up their diamond rocks.

Under the racketeering law, RICO, even before a verdict, anything
bought with the proceeds of the crime goes into the public treasury.

But there seems to be special treatment afforded those who loaded up on
the 'bennies' of crimes committed by George Bush's buddies.

On Friday, the Manhattan District Attorney's office announced it had
captured a couple of Texas varmints, the Wyly Brothers, Charles and
Sam. The two have 'fessed to concealing half their holdings in one of the
rich boys' companies, Michaels Stores. The grand jury is still out on
deciding to indict the two for the crime of fraud upon the stock market.

Who are these guys? The billionaire brothers are "Pioneers" - not the
kind that built little houses on the prairie, but the kind that agreed
to raise over a hundred grand for George W. Bush's first Presidential
run. Sam anted up more than a quarter million for the Republican National
Committee in 2000.

But that's just the tip of the cash-berg for Bush. In 2000, Sen. John
McCain was wiping the electoral floor with Bush Jr. in the Republican
primaries
until that March when the Wylys secretly put up two and half million
dollars for a campaign to smear Bush's opponent just days before the
crucial Southern primaries.

They repeated the trick in 2004, putting up cash for the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth, the vicious little snipes who tore apart the Kerry
campaign.

So what makes these guys so thrilled with Mr. Bush? There are more than
ninety million reasons. While George W. was governor of Texas,
investigative reporter Joe Conason discovered, a Wyly family private investment
fund, Maverick Capital of Dallas, was awarded a state contract to
invest $90 million for the University of Texas endowment.

That's not all. As Governor, Bush signed into law an electricity
"deregulation" bill that was little more than ill-disguised raid on
consumers' wallets by Texas power companies. The bill was in part drafted by an
outfit called GreenMountain.com, a power company owned by - you guessed
it - Sam Wyly.

On the day George W. signed the deregulation bill, Sam Wyly said,
"Governor Bush's hard work and leadership have paid off." And, it seems, in
2000 and 2004, the Wylys paid back.

Last week, the Wyly brothers, knowing law men will probably seize their
gains anyway, announced they would turn over their hidden loot to
Michaels Stores' treasury -- a kind gesture, like a bank-robber turning over
stolen cash in hopes of leniency.

But what about the racketeering rule requiring all cronies of the
wrongdoers to give up the benefits of alleged crime?

If the G-men don't know where the tainted booty is cached, try this
address: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Ask for George or Dick.

Now it might be unfair to say that George Bush's campaigns succeeded
solely because of the Wyly's loot. After all, the number one campaign
contributors were Pioneer Ken Lay and his associates at Enron.

OK now, Mr. President, give it back- the millions stuffed in the
pockets of the Republican campaign kitty filched from Enron retirees and the
suckers in the stock market who didn't have the inside track like the
Wylys.

When I worked as a racketeering investigator for government, nothing
was spared, including houses bought with purloined loot. Let there be no
exception here. It's time to tape up the White House gate and hang the
sign: "Crime Scene: Property to be Confiscated. Vacate Premises
Immediately."

**********

I think it's hilarious how high on a pedastle the Bush apologists put this disgusting administration. They are so moral :rolleyes: that they consistently deal with scum like this. I bet this makes the Republicans even prouder of their man in the Whitehouse.
Sumamba Buwhan
11-04-2005, 23:08
Perhaps the Bush apologists are waiting for an official line from their beloved party before they let them decide what to tell them to think about this issue?
31
11-04-2005, 23:11
Perhaps the Bush apologists are waiting for an official line from their beloved party before they let them decide what to tell them to think about this issue?

Or perhaps we've heard this crap so many times from anti-Bushers that we just choose to ignore it. Like water off a duck's back. . .
Ouite frankly its getting boring.
Sumamba Buwhan
11-04-2005, 23:15
Or perhaps we've heard this crap so many times from anti-Bushers that we just choose to ignore it. Like water off a duck's back. . .
Ouite frankly its getting boring.

So you think it is acceptable for them to deal with scum like this, and use millions of dollars in illegal funds to run their campaign?
Swimmingpool
11-04-2005, 23:23
Or perhaps we've heard this crap so many times from anti-Bushers that we just choose to ignore it. Like water off a duck's back. . .
Ouite frankly its getting boring.
Just because you've heard it a lot doesn't make it untrue.

Just because you think it's boring doesn't make it untrue.
Bolol
11-04-2005, 23:32
It's not just republicans who pull this kind of shit, but ALL politicians.
Sumamba Buwhan
11-04-2005, 23:34
It's not just republicans who pull this kind of shit, but ALL politicians.


And anyone who gets found out should have their bottom spanked and their assest taken away.
HardNippledom
12-04-2005, 00:27
I know who else should be punished with Bush, ted Kennedy for rigging several elections including JFK's with the help of the Irish mob.

Both parties need a good clean up!!!!
31
12-04-2005, 00:41
Just because you've heard it a lot doesn't make it untrue.

Just because you think it's boring doesn't make it untrue.

The belief that one party is more corrupt than the other. . .heh heh ehe heh.
Cannot think of a name
12-04-2005, 00:44
The belief that one party is more corrupt than the other. . .heh heh ehe heh.
So then, the idea is to be 'just as bad'? That it's not the high water mark that a party should aim at, but the low one? That is the stance and attitude of the 'moral' party? I'm troubled by using others to justify thier actions...
31
12-04-2005, 00:53
So then, the idea is to be 'just as bad'? That it's not the high water mark that a party should aim at, but the low one? That is the stance and attitude of the 'moral' party? I'm troubled by using others to justify thier actions...

no, the idea is that this argument has been done to death. It is boring. No minds will be changed. Have more fun and worry less, that's me motto.

Bush is bad. I don't like liberals. The US is evil. Iraq wasn't justified. blah blah blah. It has been do to death. Ooooo look, I found an article by an "unbiased journalist" that says blah blah blah. . .
This is why I favor laughing, crazy threads or threads that speak about older history, they don't rile people up so much.
Cannot think of a name
12-04-2005, 00:57
no, the idea is that this argument has been done to death. It is boring. No minds will be changed. Have more fun and worry less, that's me motto.

Bush is bad. I don't like liberals. The US is evil. Iraq wasn't justified. blah blah blah. It has been do to death. Ooooo look, I found an article by an "unbiased journalist" that says blah blah blah. . .
This is why I favor laughing, crazy threads or threads that speak about older history, they don't rile people up so much.
At the point where we tune out, that we let ourselves become suseptable to the white noise and disconnect, wave off our engagement, we completly surrender our control. At that point party ceases to matter.
HardNippledom
12-04-2005, 01:09
31 i can't even reil these people up i basically said that Ted Kennedy bought the JFK election which is true and nobody even blinked.
Prosophia
12-04-2005, 01:10
Yes.

Being the answer to your question.

I think when politicians are engaged in racketeering, and they are convicted of that by a jury, they should face the same penalties as other criminals.

That goes for members of all political parties. (But especially neo-cons. Because I don't like them, and clearly, all legal decisions should be based on my whims.)

Honestly, I am disgusted by the blatant corruption that we allow our politicians to get away with.
Talfen
12-04-2005, 01:59
GIVE IT BACK, GEORGE (www.GregPalast.com )
Did Wyly Coyotes' Ill-Gotten Loot Buy White House?

by Greg Palast
Monday, April 11, 2005

When the feds swoop down and cuff racketeers, they also load the vans
with all the perp's ill-gotten gains: stacks of cash, BMWs, hideaway
houses, whatever. Their associates have to cough up the goodies too --
lady friends must give up their diamond rocks.

Under the racketeering law, RICO, even before a verdict, anything
bought with the proceeds of the crime goes into the public treasury.

But there seems to be special treatment afforded those who loaded up on
the 'bennies' of crimes committed by George Bush's buddies.

On Friday, the Manhattan District Attorney's office announced it had
captured a couple of Texas varmints, the Wyly Brothers, Charles and
Sam. The two have 'fessed to concealing half their holdings in one of the
rich boys' companies, Michaels Stores. The grand jury is still out on
deciding to indict the two for the crime of fraud upon the stock market.

Who are these guys? The billionaire brothers are "Pioneers" - not the
kind that built little houses on the prairie, but the kind that agreed
to raise over a hundred grand for George W. Bush's first Presidential
run. Sam anted up more than a quarter million for the Republican National
Committee in 2000.

But that's just the tip of the cash-berg for Bush. In 2000, Sen. John
McCain was wiping the electoral floor with Bush Jr. in the Republican
primaries
until that March when the Wylys secretly put up two and half million
dollars for a campaign to smear Bush's opponent just days before the
crucial Southern primaries.

They repeated the trick in 2004, putting up cash for the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth, the vicious little snipes who tore apart the Kerry
campaign.

So what makes these guys so thrilled with Mr. Bush? There are more than
ninety million reasons. While George W. was governor of Texas,
investigative reporter Joe Conason discovered, a Wyly family private investment
fund, Maverick Capital of Dallas, was awarded a state contract to
invest $90 million for the University of Texas endowment.

That's not all. As Governor, Bush signed into law an electricity
"deregulation" bill that was little more than ill-disguised raid on
consumers' wallets by Texas power companies. The bill was in part drafted by an
outfit called GreenMountain.com, a power company owned by - you guessed
it - Sam Wyly.

On the day George W. signed the deregulation bill, Sam Wyly said,
"Governor Bush's hard work and leadership have paid off." And, it seems, in
2000 and 2004, the Wylys paid back.

Last week, the Wyly brothers, knowing law men will probably seize their
gains anyway, announced they would turn over their hidden loot to
Michaels Stores' treasury -- a kind gesture, like a bank-robber turning over
stolen cash in hopes of leniency.

But what about the racketeering rule requiring all cronies of the
wrongdoers to give up the benefits of alleged crime?

If the G-men don't know where the tainted booty is cached, try this
address: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Ask for George or Dick.

Now it might be unfair to say that George Bush's campaigns succeeded
solely because of the Wyly's loot. After all, the number one campaign
contributors were Pioneer Ken Lay and his associates at Enron.

OK now, Mr. President, give it back- the millions stuffed in the
pockets of the Republican campaign kitty filched from Enron retirees and the
suckers in the stock market who didn't have the inside track like the
Wylys.

When I worked as a racketeering investigator for government, nothing
was spared, including houses bought with purloined loot. Let there be no
exception here. It's time to tape up the White House gate and hang the
sign: "Crime Scene: Property to be Confiscated. Vacate Premises
Immediately."

**********

I think it's hilarious how high on a pedastle the Bush apologists put this disgusting administration. They are so moral :rolleyes: that they consistently deal with scum like this. I bet this makes the Republicans even prouder of their man in the Whitehouse.


Sure you can take all the money from the Republicans if we can kill off and take all the money from the Billionaires that set up the crap Democrat 527's, Air America, god that shit is so boring to listen too, and then we can shoot every person to vote for Kerry in the last election as they seem to be defective robots and need reprogramming.
Sumamba Buwhan
12-04-2005, 03:20
Sure you can take all the money from the Republicans if we can kill off and take all the money from the Billionaires that set up the crap Democrat 527's, Air America, god that shit is so boring to listen too, and then we can shoot every person to vote for Kerry in the last election as they seem to be defective robots and need reprogramming.


Beautiful example of your typical violence loving fiction-based replicon
Cadillac-Gage
12-04-2005, 03:37
Beautiful example of your typical violence loving fiction-based replicon

SO... George Soros isn't a Billionaire? He didn't almost collapse the British economy through insider trading and currency speculation?

there are two problems I see: 1. you consider Greg Palast to be non-partisan.

Hint: He's as non-partisan as Rush Limbaugh or Michael Medved.

2. Notice that the Racketeers in this case are going to jail-rather than going home to Indonesia like the Riatis.
The Wylys are at least chargeable instead of foreigners protected from extradition by Indonesian or Chinese law.

On the whole, if Politicians are going to be corrupt (and they are) I'd rather have the bribery be from interests here at home, than overseas...
Dementedus_Yammus
12-04-2005, 04:02
and then we can shoot every person to vote for Kerry in the last election as they seem to be defective robots and need reprogramming.

^
Nazi
Sumamba Buwhan
12-04-2005, 04:05
Sure he's a billionaire - I never said he wasn't.

As for Greg Palast being partisian - show me proof about what party he belongs to. Last time I heard him speak he was talking shit about the Republicans, The Democrats, The Libertarians and the Green party (saying he would never subscribe to any of them). I would say that is pretty non-partisian.
Statburg
12-04-2005, 05:15
I'd like to see a "One Strike and You're Out" law, like we used to have back in the days of mob justice.

How's that bumper sticker go? "Stop repeat criminals- Don't re-elect them!"