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The pope dies: thousands and thousands of people go to Rome to pray, cry and pay their respects to the dead guy
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

I'm no christian, and I most definitly don't believe in a god. But at least I can see which are the civilised people these days. Damn

The pope dies: thousands and thousands of people go to Rome to pray, cry and pay their respects to the dead guy
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

I'm no christian, and I most definitly don't believe in a god. But at least I can see which are the civilised people these days. Damn

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Trolling, trolling, trolling .... rawhide!

Finntroll? :p

I have to agree with Death Hell Damnation on this one.

Do you see leaders from pratically every nation on earth going to the funerals of any Islamic church officials?

No.

Why? Because high ranking Islamic church officials do absoutely nothing to foster international goodwill.

Hopefully the Pope's funeral makes some of those Clerics jealous....couldn't hurt. *shrugs*

The pope dies: thousands and thousands of people go to Rome to pray, cry and pay their respects to the dead guy
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

I'm no christian, and I most definitly don't believe in a god. But at least I can see which are the civilised people these days. Damn


Catholics, not christians.

Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

Well.. quite a lot of great Imam/islamic leaders are murdered by the people waving that US (or Israelian) flag while the pope seems to have died from natural causes...

Well.. quite a lot of great Imam/islamic leaders are murdered by the people waving that US (or Israelian) flag while the pope seems to have died from natural causes...

Bingo.

Wow yeah, the pope was so civilized. Railing against contraception, forcing so many people to die of AIDS. Against homosexuality. Generally wanting to bring the world back a few hundred years.

The pope dies: thousands and thousands of people go to Rome to pray, cry and pay their respects to the dead guy
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

Right, but as was said, Islam has not been killing Catholic officials in massive numbers. If Islamic terrorists killed the Pope, we'd see who was civilized then.


Also, "Christianity is civilized" - Yes with all those civilized crusades to go round the world killing people of other faiths in "holy wars"! And the same Christianity that advocates, in the bible, the murder of homosexuals? And what about all the serial killers who have claimed to be driven by God - e.g the Yorkshire Ripper?

My point is these are a few exceptions and generally most Christians are probably quite nice people. To judge the WHOLE of Christianity based on those things would be wrong. Similarly though, to judge the WHOLE of Islam on a few people who carry AKs and murder people is also wrong.

Civilization is overrated.

uh, and your basis for this is?

when have you in person ever been to leader of a muslim communities festival?

The pope dies: thousands and thousands of people go to Rome to pray, cry and pay their respects to the dead guy
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

I'm no christian, and I most definitly don't believe in a god. But at least I can see which are the civilised people these days. Damn

Ugh... :headbang:

You're basing your statements completely on assumtion and what little the media shows you about the religion of Islam.

strongly disagree,


how can you put a label on civilisation like that. Different cultures have different traditions simple as that.

strongly disagree,


how can you put a label on civilisation like that. Different cultures have different traditions simple as that.

yep, and the entire islamic 'culture' happens to be build on violence. I happen to know what it's like there. the only thing the people understand there is violence! if you have a problem with someone, you know what you have to do; beat up his wife or something similar. i swear to you, thats te friggin truth and not some fake made-up media image.
also something: the history of mohammed: he was a guy who came to power by killing all of his rival politicians. then he wanted everyone to become an islamist, so he killed the ones that didnt, then he went to israel, where the people were jews so they refused to believe in allah, so he cleansed every single village he came across from all life.
the very fundamentor of their entire culture was so to say: an aggresive psychotic murderer, and thats pretty gay

im not saying that all catholics or jews or whatever are ubermenschen or something (only nihilists are, Nietsche) because they have had their fair share of crimes and violence, but these days, the only ones really aggresively not accepting other cultures and religions are islamists

Well.. quite a lot of great Imam/islamic leaders are murdered by the people waving that US (or Israelian) flag while the pope seems to have died from natural causes...

right, arafat died of natural causes... hundreds of people died at his funeral because they were crushed or hit by raining bullets
gay eh?

who cares about the pope...

But I can't get a certain image out of my head... anyone ever seen the pet shop sketch of monty python's?

the one with the dead parrot...

I have to agree with Death Hell Damnation on this one.

Do you see leaders from pratically every nation on earth going to the funerals of any Islamic church officials?

No.

Why? Because high ranking Islamic church officials do absoutely nothing to foster international goodwill.

Hopefully the Pope's funeral makes some of those Clerics jealous....couldn't hurt. *shrugs*

thank you for seeing the truth

Wow yeah, the pope was so civilized. Railing against contraception, forcing so many people to die of AIDS. Against homosexuality. Generally wanting to bring the world back a few hundred years.


Right, but as was said, Islam has not been killing Catholic officials in massive numbers. If Islamic terrorists killed the Pope, we'd see who was civilized then.


Also, "Christianity is civilized" - Yes with all those civilized crusades to go round the world killing people of other faiths in "holy wars"! And the same Christianity that advocates, in the bible, the murder of homosexuals? And what about all the serial killers who have claimed to be driven by God - e.g the Yorkshire Ripper?

My point is these are a few exceptions and generally most Christians are probably quite nice people. To judge the WHOLE of Christianity based on those things would be wrong. Similarly though, to judge the WHOLE of Islam on a few people who carry AKs and murder people is also wrong.

Lets see... there hasn't been a Crusade in a couple hundred years...

the Bible does NOT advocate killing homosexuals, whatsoever...

Other than that, I can't really argue the rest.

who cares about the pope...

But I can't get a certain image out of my head... anyone ever seen the pet shop sketch of monty python's?

the one with the dead parrot...

NO it's not dead! look it moved! :p
brilliant!!

right, arafat died of natural causes... hundreds of people died at his funeral because they were crushed or hit by raining bullets

I said "quite a few", not all. If 9 out 10 (no, this is not accurate, just for the sake of argument) of your leaders are killed by the same people (lumping Americans and Isreaelis on one great heap) and number 10 was one of the leaders defending you against those evil people, you can use his funeral to show your hatred of them.

gay eh?
The pope and Arafat ? Possibly. Not going to write that slash though.

I said "quite a few", not all. If 9 out 10 (no, this is not accurate, just for the sake of argument) of your leaders are killed by the same people (lumping Americans and Isreaelis on one great heap) and number 10 was one of the leaders defending you against those evil people, you can use his funeral to show your hatred of them.


The pope and Arafat ? Possibly. Not going to write that slash though.

hmm, i don't like it when people come up with strong arguments but don't agree with me...

lets just say that NO (normal) christian in the last say 100 years has ever killed anyone or waged a war just for the sole reason of someone having another religion than his own.
true, the US is very uh 'cristianic' but they dont fight islamists because of their faith. islamists on the other hand fight the americans because they are 'heathens' and not because the US likes to drop bombs on em (well, also, but way less, for the sake of the argument allright? :p)

and the same goes for israelis, the israelis call their enemies: terrorists
the palestines call their enemies: jews
hemmmmmm...

yep, and the entire islamic 'culture' happens to be build on violence. I happen to know what it's like there. the only thing the people understand there is violence! if you have a problem with someone, you know what you have to do; beat up his wife or something similar. i swear to you, thats te friggin truth and not some fake made-up media image.

No need to swear. Your swearing is worthless, because you lie. Tell me how you came to the conclusion that people are beaten on a regular basis? I happen to live here, I haven't heard of such things in my life.

also something: the history of mohammed: he was a guy who came to power by killing all of his rival politicians.

Really? He had rival politicians?.. I missed the chapter on him going out and assassinating every opposition party's leader. Source?

then he wanted everyone to become an islamist, so he killed the ones that didnt, then he went to israel, where the people were jews so they refused to believe in allah, so he cleansed every single village he came across from all life.

1) He didn't want people to become Islamist. There was no such thing as islamic fundamentalism back them. But he did preach Islam and call people to adopt it as the one and only religion.

2) The comment about Israel? Bullshit. Pure bullshit. He never went to Israel. The Muslims didn't reach that far in his lifetime, or in the lifetime of his successor, for that matter.

the very fundamentor of their entire culture was so to say: an aggresive psychotic murderer, and thats pretty gay

Fundamentor? Fundamentor? For God's sake go learn some English! Although it's my second language, even I know there's no such word!

Aggresive? Aggresive? It's Aggressive!

And back up your source that he was an "aggresive psychotic murderer".. Don't twist the foundations of the language and expect your arguments to be coherent.

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That explains a lot.

*grins* I find it extremely funny that all of your posts here can be picked out regularly, if not slightly paraphrased, on FNC. Which is why I only watch that channel for a good laugh, which is probably why I laughed at some of the posts in this topic... Nice try, but railing on a culture you've never really been in contact with except via the world's most biased anchors/producers(granted it is quite an accomplishment as it was tough to beat the other cable news channels like CNN at this) doesn't count as "enlightened" or "cool" or "intelligent" or any good thing worth mentioning, even though FNC is often celebrated for it. Go Right Wing Agenda! booyah!

Okay, I'm done now. ^_^

Originally Posted by Death Hell Damnation
The pope dies: thousands and thousands of people go to Rome to pray, cry and pay their respects to the dead guy
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

I'm no christian, and I most definitly don't believe in a god. But at least I can see which are the civilised people these days. Damn

The pope wan't blown up by a helicopter gunship which might go some way to explaining why the whole thing was more orderly. That and the 15,000 security guards, no fly zone, presence of about 70 world leaders + secret service etc... Oh and let not forget those high ranking muslem clerics, buddists and the rest.

The funeral happened in Italy, not the West Bank/ Gaza/ Iraq which you may have noticed have had a few law and order issues recently.

hmm, i don't like it when people come up with strong arguments but don't agree with me...

lets just say that NO (normal) christian in the last say 100 years has ever killed anyone or waged a war just for the sole reason of someone having another religion than his own.
true, the US is very uh 'cristianic' but they dont fight islamists because of their faith. islamists on the other hand fight the americans because they are 'heathens' and not because the US likes to drop bombs on em (well, also, but way less, for the sake of the argument allright? :p)

Haven't been to Ruanda or Northern Ireland the last 100 years, haven't you ? Not to mention the 'Gott mit uns'-Nazis and the colonial English, French and Belgians and so on in their colonial wars? Those poor ignorant africans and asian with their stupid religions and lack of brains.

And because, we are both Dutch, let's not forget our 'dear respected' mister Colijn .....

And because, we are both Dutch, let's not forget our 'dear respected' mister Colijn .....

Or look further back to our dearly beloved Jan Pieterszoon Coen ? A capitalist pur sang.. kill the natives if they trade with anyone else.

Yeah I admit that view of Islam is kinda dumb. The terrorists and such aren't actually following the true Islamic religion. They've almost created one of their own, because Islam doesn't support violence. Don't get me wrong, I am a Christian, but what the heck. :rolleyes:

Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.


I can only think of one ... ONE ... Islamic leader whose funeral procession led to such actions, Seyyed Ruhollah Khomeini, and his funeral would almost have to be that way because of the firey way he led his people. You're describing that ONE same event. Name three more just like it.

I can name plenty off the top of my head whose funeral processions were full of peaceful mourners. Rafik Hariri, Arafat, King Hassan II, Sheik Abdul-Rahim al-Buraei, Abdelkader Hachani, even Sheikh Ahmed Yassin's funeral went smoothly and without a hitch!

In short: piss off, troll.

the Bible does NOT advocate killing homosexuals, whatsoever...
Actually, the Bible specifically demands stoning homosexuals to death (Old Testament Law.) It also calls for a stoning death to children who disrespect their parents, people who touch a pig, and people who weave two different types of material into the same cloth. Take that how you will.

The problem isn't with what the Bible says, but how it's interpreted. Let's make it clear, the language of the Bible is not literal. Otherwise, we'd be looking for the wooden poles in our eyes and the splinters in other peoples eyes. Besides, the teachings of the Church say to treat homosexuals with compassion and tolerance. I can say less about other denominations, bu then i've never bothered to learn. The one thing that is different from the 'liberal' view of homosexuality is that the Church believes that homosexuals are called to a life of celibacy, because acting on the impulses is wrong, not having the impulses in the first place.

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I can only think of one ... ONE ... Islamic leader whose funeral procession led to such actions, Seyyed Ruhollah Khomeini, and his funeral would almost have to be that way because of the firey way he led his people. You're describing that ONE same event. Name three more just like it.

I can name plenty off the top of my head whose funeral processions were full of peaceful mourners. Rafik Hariri, Arafat, King Hassan II, Sheik Abdul-Rahim al-Buraei, Abdelkader Hachani, even Sheikh Ahmed Yassin's funeral went smoothly and without a hitch!

In short: piss off, troll.

http://www.the-gateway.net/fun/owned-friends.jpg

Well.. quite a lot of great Imam/islamic leaders are murdered by the people waving that US (or Israelian) flag while the pope seems to have died from natural causes...

First of all, "Israelian" isn't even a word. How are any of us supposed to believe that you have any knowledge of a subject when you can't even properly identify the name of a major party in this conflict? Second, outside of killing the terrorist sheik and "spiritual" leader of Hamas, Achmed Yassin, last year, I have a feeling you are going to be hard pressed to name one "Imam/Islamic leader" that Israel has killed. Many major Arab and Islamic leaders die of natural causes like the pope did. For example: Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, Yasser Arafat of the PLO, King Hussein of Jordan, and the list goes on. Also noteworthy is that the only time that Arab leaders get overthrown is when it happens by their own citizens, not by Israelis or Americans (one noteable exception would be that George HW Bush encouraged Iraqis to try to overthrow Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War, and you can see how that turned out). The Shah of Iran was overthrown during the Islamic Revolution not by people waving the US or (as you would apparently prefer to identify them) "Israelian" flag, but the flag of their own revolution. Anwar Sadat of Egypt was murdered by Islamic fundamentalists in 1981 for making peace with Israel. Furthermore, just this year former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was murdered by the Syrian government for his opposition to Syrian domination of Lebanon. Its so interesting, because of all of the major murders of Islamic figures that have taken place by other Muslims or Islamic leaders, you blame America and Israel. No one will disagree that there is a lot of turmoil in the Islamic world, but stop blaming the firefighters for the actions of the arsonists. Its complete nonsense.

I can only think of one ... ONE ... Islamic leader whose funeral procession led to such actions, Seyyed Ruhollah Khomeini, and his funeral would almost have to be that way because of the firey way he led his people. You're describing that ONE same event. Name three more just like it.

I can name plenty off the top of my head whose funeral processions were full of peaceful mourners. Rafik Hariri, Arafat, King Hassan II, Sheik Abdul-Rahim al-Buraei, Abdelkader Hachani, even Sheikh Ahmed Yassin's funeral went smoothly and without a hitch!

In short: piss off, troll.I second this. I give it my Seal of Approval.

http://www.themartian.net/b3ta/sealofapproval.jpg

First of all, "Israelian" isn't even a word. How are any of us supposed to believe that you have any knowledge of a subject when you can't even properly identify the name of a major party in this conflict? Second, outside of killing the terrorist sheik and "spiritual" leader of Hamas, Achmed Yassin, last year, I have a feeling you are going to be hard pressed to name one "Imam/Islamic leader" that Israel has killed. Many major Arab and Islamic leaders die of natural causes like the pope did. For example: Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, Yasser Arafat of the PLO, King Hussein of Jordan, and the list goes on. Also noteworthy is that the only time that Arab leaders get overthrown is when it happens by their own citizens, not by Israelis or Americans (one noteable exception would be that George HW Bush encouraged Iraqis to try to overthrow Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War, and you can see how that turned out). The Shah of Iran was overthrown during the Islamic Revolution not by people waving the US or (as you would apparently prefer to identify them) "Israelian" flag, but the flag of their own revolution. Anwar Sadat of Egypt was murdered by Islamic fundamentalists in 1981 for making peace with Israel. Furthermore, just this year former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was murdered by the Syrian government for his opposition to Syrian domination of Lebanon. Its so interesting, because of all of the major murders of Islamic figures that have taken place by other Muslims or Islamic leaders, you blame America and Israel. No one will disagree that there is a lot of turmoil in the Islamic world, but stop blaming the firefighters for the actions of the arsonists. Its complete nonsense.
The Middle East is in the ice age and the US firefighters are coming in and spraying out the fireplaces.

And by the way ... (leaps on soap box again)

I also forgot to point out that Seyyed Ruhollah Khomeini was not a leader to *all* Muslims, but only a leader in Iran. 45 million(avg.) Iranians in the 80s versus the 1 BILLION Muslims at the time and you say this man was a global Islamic leader? The man issued a fatwah against Rushdie and about a dozen Muslims said, "Yeah! Great idea, Sheik!" and the world suddenly thought all Muslims wanted Rushdie's head on a pike. *I* can issue a fatwah if I want ... doesn't mean anyone will care, you know.

Saying Seyyed Khomeini's violent funeral procession is a mark of how Muslims conduct themselves would be like me saying David Koresh's firey death is how all Christian funerals are.

Newsflash: Islam today is like Catholocism without the Papacy. Splintered, scattered, confused, and individuated. Since the Caliphate was abolished with the secularization of Turkey, there has been no central body with the authority to interpret Qur'an.

Hence, you get a bunch of little splinter groups. From the very violent groups who believe Islamic Law and Hadith are the way the world should be and kill anyone who doesn't think so (not unlike the Christian Identity groups, just better funded) to Muslims like me, who believes Shariah and Hadith should be wiped from the planet and Muslims only follow Qur'an without equal.

At this point in history, my Qur'anic authority is equal to any Imam or Sheik, just as in Protestant Christendom, a preacher is no more than a learned man of the congregation, or in post-Kohanim Judaism, where the Rabbis lead, but are not deified. However, I am no more an "Islamic Leader" than Osama Bin Laden is ... or are you one of those people who think all Muslims worship OBL?

So ... if a bird craps on my casket at my funeral, will you then roll your eyes at our crazy Muslim traditions of bird crap?

Islamic Mujahadeen is 500 years too late.

Islamic Mujahadeen is 500 years too late.
Mujahideen is plural.

Mujahideen is plural.

Is it?

Is it?
Yup. Mujahid is the singular, do you know what Mujahideen means?

Catholics, not christians.

Catholics are Christians... <disgruntled Catholic muttering>

Hence, you get a bunch of little splinter groups. From the very violent groups who believe Islamic Law and Hadith are the way the world should be and kill anyone who doesn't think so (not unlike the Christian Identity groups, just better funded) to Muslims like me, who believes Shariah and Hadith should be wiped from the planet and Muslims only follow Qur'an without equal.


Keru, I think most people have missed the historical note that Muslims, since the time of Ali, have been really busy with internecine warfare as well as scholarly argument. Not really different from the centuries of warfare amongst Christians for very much the same reasons.

I would, however, submit that there is an underlying philosophical difference between the major religions of the world that enhance or hinder a culture's ability to accomodate rapid technological advance.

thank u, i'm a methodist, so i am actually a prodestant but i hate it when people say catholics arent christians, i even dislike it when pople say prodestantisms and catholicims are 2 diferent religions, they are not, just different denominations.Also people going on as N.Ireland as an example of Christian Wars, I live there and can tell you that they are not christian they areloyalist and nationlist thugs who are a smear on a beatiful country

who cares about the pope...

But I can't get a certain image out of my head... anyone ever seen the pet shop sketch of monty python's?

the one with the dead parrot...

No no! He's pining!

He's not pinin'! He's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased
to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft
of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he'd be
pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off
the twig! He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run
down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

(pause)

Well, I'd better replace it, then.

If you want to get anything done in this country, you have to talk til you're blue in the mouth.

Death Hell Damnation came out of the closet to say
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

I'm no christian, and I most definitly don't believe in a god. But at least I can see which are the civilised people these days. Damn


Okay Timmy, this is what we adults call "extremists". The account for a small, but widely spoken of, part of each religion. They represent the worst in the respective faith, but are given the most attention anyway. Run along now and let the grown ups speak of what is civilized.

notice the massive lack of respect I hold for the original poster

First of all, "Israelian" isn't even a word. How are any of us supposed to believe that you have any knowledge of a subject when you can't even properly identify the name of a major party in this conflict?

Well.. maybe by assuming English is not my native tongue ? And that
being a native English speaker is not needed to comment on a political situation (which coincidentally is in a non-english speaking region of this planet) ?

Second, outside of killing the terrorist sheik and "spiritual" leader of Hamas, Achmed Yassin, last year, I have a feeling you are going to be hard pressed to name one "Imam/Islamic leader" that Israel has killed.

You misunderstand - all which is needed is that the people there *believe* they do.

Keru, I think most people have missed the historical note that Muslims, since the time of Ali, have been really busy with internecine warfare as well as scholarly argument. Not really different from the centuries of warfare amongst Christians for very much the same reasons.

This is true, however, we do live in an age where the common perception is that the world began in 1940. Fighting that is like pulling the teeth out of a very awake tiger.

It's much more comfortable for people to pigeonhole Muslims as the great uneducated, unwashed masses of filthy Arabs who are born terrorists and believe any non-Muslim should be killed on sight. The "War on Terror", as Bush said, is unlike any other war because there is no specific enemy, no face of evil, no supreme dictator of terror. Yet, ask any cartoonist or artist to draw up a representation of this war, and the person on the other side of it always seems to have a beard and turbin. I teach young kids and if you ask them, Muslim is synonymous with Terrorist.

It smacks of Julius Streicher's "Never Trust a Fox in His Green Meadow and Never Trust the Oath of a Jew." If you don't know who that is or what that is, look it up.

I will be the first to admit that education levels among my brothers and sisters is on the decline and that there are a few greedy, power-mongering men who are more than willing to take advantage of that. That makes me angry and I wish there were more I could do about it.

However, some of the problem is certain places holding Shariah above Qur'an as the supreme worldly authority. My message to my brothers and sisters may be one of peace, education (secular as well as spiritual), brotherhood with all people, tolerance and respect for non-Muslims, and the abolition of forced gender roles; but my message is that of Qur'an and is a message that conflicts with Shariah - and anything that contradicts Qur'an is not worthy of my, or any Muslim's, time. All these power mongering men - who have more influence and money than I do - need say is I am apostate and you'll be seeing me on the news with my head chopped off.

Now don't get me wrong. I fear nothing except Allah. If it is Allah's will that my head be chopped off and, thus, martyred, then so be it. I will die knowing that I carried on my lips Allah's message, not man's, and may Allah be merciful on me for it.

However, I do have children who are innocent and while their fate is in Allah's hands, I am here as their guardian and teacher. I do them no good as a martyr.

Anyway, I guess I've babbled way off topic now.

Well.. quite a lot of great Imam/islamic leaders are murdered by the people waving that US (or Israelian) flag while the pope seems to have died from natural causes...

thats what i- they want you to think :D

civilized christianity.....oh like in the bible where the stone someone for collecting wood on the sabbath.....or where it says fathers can sell there daughters into slavery?

No religion is civilized. More people have died in the name of religion throughout history then by any other cause. If it isn’t a crusade or Jihad or cult suicide, then it’s witch trials, Holy land disputes or hate crimes in the name of this or that Deity. To hell with all of it. I decided I’m going to go start my own religion, one that makes people feel good about themselves.

civilized christianity.....oh like in the bible where the stone someone for collecting wood on the sabbath.....or where it says fathers can sell there daughters into slavery?

Yes, no one has noticed this before, and it wasnt refuted by the fact that those regulations are part of the Old Covenenant

OH WAIT!!

*Sigh*

No religion is civilized. More people have died in the name of religion throughout history then by any other cause. If it isn’t a crusade or Jihad or cult suicide, then it’s witch trials, Holy land disputes or hate crimes in the name of this or that Deity. To hell with all of it. I decided I’m going to go start my own religion, one that makes people feel good about themselves.

I would put to you that more wars have been caused over teritiorial disputes. The crusades you mentioned were not European Christians going "lets kill all the Muslims we can find", it was "lets get these people who have taken our land". Now wheteher or not it was "their" land is debatable but there have been very few wars started solely in the name of religion. Most are about territory. Should we therefore say territory is bad and that we should all live in the clouds.

Should we therefore say territory is bad and that we should all live in the clouds.
clearly

The problem is like Keruvalia put it that westerners see people in the arab world as crazy fanatics. Many palestinians are christians, as are many other people in the arab world. The arab world doesn't have one Arab people. It has an enormous variety of ethnic groups with different custums and beliefs(even though they are mainly Muslims). It is unfortunate that the UN established an Israeli state where the Palestinians lived. Could you imagine being tossed aside to leave room for people who lived there centuries ago?

Like evicting most Americans to give the land to Native americans. That would be hilarious.

I will try to get back on topic: There are nutters in America who hates Jews, Blacks, Arabs, even Catholics. Sadly after 9/11 Americans will never like Arabs. Some people seem to think Islam is a violent religion. Islam is the most understandable of the three sibling religions(Christianity, Islam, and Judaism).

The pope dies: thousands and thousands of people go to Rome to pray, cry and pay their respects to the dead guy
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

I'm no christian, and I most definitly don't believe in a god. But at least I can see which are the civilised people these days. Damn


Well, excluding Al Queda and the Christian Colation, everyone's civilised. Yes the "Burning USA flag thing" does happen, but only in countrieshat are pretty screw up to begin with.

:) Excuse my ignorance,but i've never started a thread before, could somebody please tell me how to go about it? I do not want to step on anyones' toes.I'm sorry about posting this question here but i had to start somewhere and a thread about Christianity seemed like a good place to start :) Signed A Polite Canadian . Thanks

Well.. maybe by assuming English is not my native tongue ?

Why should I assume that English is not your native tongue? You apparently speak English well enough to get your point across, and besides, had I assumed that English wasn't your native tongue based upon your usage of a non-existent or mispelled word, I would have to assume more than half of the people on this board don't speak English as their native language (and don't speak it well, at that)
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being a native English speaker is not needed to comment on a political situation (which coincidentally is in a non-english speaking region of this planet) ? [/QUOTE]

We both agree on that, but I never argued that anyway.


[/QUOTE]You misunderstand - all which is needed is that the people there *believe* they do.[/QUOTE]

But that isn't what you said. What you said was "Well.. quite a lot of great Imam/islamic leaders are murdered by the people waving that US (or Israelian) flag while the pope seems to have died from natural causes...". Nothing in that sentence says that the people merely perceive that to be the case. IT says that a lot of great Imam/Islamic leaders ARE MURDERED by these "flag wavers." I hate to say it, but I didn't misunderstand anything. What you were saying was very clear and apparent to anyone reading the post. If that isn't what you MEANT to say, that is another story, but from what I can see, that just isn't the case.

Aleks

bloody hell, i didnt want this topic to become so incredibly gay!!

well, at least i know now who are the smart and who are the annoyingly stupid & gay people that arent worth listening too

dont take everything so damn serious or youll wake up one morning knowing youre gay!

:headbang: That is an incredibly generalized statement based on the actions of a sliver of the muslim population. The question of good versus evil only serves to advance one particular side, in this case, everything the muslims do is spun in a manner favoring christians...likely vice versa.

Since when is the US flag related to christendom? Hmmm...a nation that rationalizes its actions through self-proclaimed divine right, as dubya says it...sounds incredibly fundamentalist to me. The answer is, neither side is right because the fundamentalist side of both are uncivilized.

Try getting some information that isn't filtered through the corporate media.



The pope dies: thousands and thousands of people go to Rome to pray, cry and pay their respects to the dead guy
Some high imam/islamic leader dies: thousands and thousands of people gather, burn US flags, empty their AK-47's in the air, crush everyone just to touch the coffin, scream for hate and revenge etc etc.

I'm no christian, and I most definitly don't believe in a god. But at least I can see which are the civilised people these days. Damn

Your pride in your idiocy should tell you something. :headbang:


bloody hell, i didnt want this topic to become so incredibly gay!!

well, at least i know now who are the smart and who are the annoyingly stupid & gay people that arent worth listening too

dont take everything so damn serious or youll wake up one morning knowing youre gay!

Yes, no one has noticed this before, and it wasnt refuted by the fact that those regulations are part of the Old Covenenant

OH WAIT!!

*Sigh*

Then why include them in the bible?

Well, excluding Al Queda and the Christian Colation, everyone's civilised. Yes the "Burning USA flag thing" does happen, but only in countrieshat are pretty screw up to begin with.


The fact that countries are screwed up is a result of Western foreign policy.