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I'm bored so I'll submit this post:

Prove to me that you exist. I've never seen any of you in person, though even if I have then you could be a figment of my imagination, real to me but to no one else... if there is anyone else. Am I the only real person? Am I a real person? Stop these mind games! PROVE YOUR EXISTANCE LEST YE BE DETERMINED NOT HUMAN!

Oh, I'm plenty real...

If I tell you something that is factually true, but you didn't know it, you can confirm it by looking it up. Thus, the knowledge would have to come from somewhere outside yourself, thus proving something outside yourself exists. Anyway, to whit, the the phonenumber for Kroeger in Roanoke, VA, is 800-853-3033.

Quite frankly, I can't prove it, so I'm not human.

[Quote=Arammanar] If I tell you something that is factually true, but you didn't know it, you can confirm it by looking it up. Thus, the knowledge would have to come from somewhere outside yourself, thus proving something outside yourself exists. Anyway, to whit, the the phonenumber for Kroeger in Roanoke, VA, is 800-853-3033. [QUOTE]

That could be just a supressed memory... and your post is part of my schizophrenic delusions.

Oh, if I mispelled your name, I don't really care... after all you're not really human... :p

I'm not real. I'm actually a virtual agent sent to pose as a human to learn more about the often mistifying behavior of mortals. So far, it's been a huge success.

That could be just a supressed memory... and your post is part of my schizophrenic delusions.

Oh, if I mispelled your name, I don't really care... after all you're not really human... :p[/QUOTE]
Occam's Razor. Is it more likely that you once knew the phone number to a place you never had dealings with, in a place you've never been, then forgot it, and were only recovering the memory during a hallucination that occurred while challanging people to prove that they do exist? Or that I'm real?

cogito, ergo sum.

That is why I exist.

I doubt my own existance, but, in order to doubt, I must think about my existance, therefore, I exist.

On your part, you doubt my existance, therefore you think about my existence, therefore, I exist for you.

Occam's razor is highly flawed. Any look at a phpBB tutorial will tell you that. Arammanar, old buddy - or should I say, SV356-B21 - you're doing a terrible job of covering up. Relax. It's okay. They can know.

Yes you exist to me, but do you only exist in my mind. Does anything really exist outside of my mind, or is everything just what I percieve, just a shadow in the cave.

Occam's razor is highly flawed. Any look at a phpBB tutorial will tell you that. Arammanar, old buddy - or should I say, SV356-B21 - you're doing a terrible job of covering up. Relax. It's okay. They can know.
What's more likely, that Occam's razor is flawed, or that it isn't? Saying it isn't requires less typing, and thus is more likely to be correct. Ergo, Occam's Razor stands.

Zoogie, who controls you so I can dismantle this oppressive machine in the back of my mind...

Yes you exist to me, but do you only exist in my mind. Does anything really exist outside of my mind, or is everything just what I percieve, just a shadow in the cave.
it actually doesn't matter if I can prove I exist out of your mind or not. If I am in your mind, then I exist. At least for you.

Don't make me get out the hammer so you won't exist in my mind... but does the hammer exist. In my mind yes, but does it exist in the physical world that may or may not exist outside of my range of perception?

I type, therefore I am?

Zoogie, who controls you so I can dismantle this oppressive machine in the back of my mind...

I am fully autonomous, thank you very much. Again, I point to phpBB tutorials as evidence. What's more likely, that something as complicated to pronounce/spell (Oscam? Ocsam? Ocazm?) as Occam's Razor exists? Or that it doesn't? I'm not using double standards. You're imagining things.

Use the Force, Neo.

Descartes!

You've proved to yourself that you exist, but you haven't proven anyone else that you exist

Don't make me get out the hammer so you won't exist in my mind... but does the hammer exist. In my mind yes, but does it exist in the physical world that may or may not exist outside of my range of perception?

the hammer exists outside of your mind because you can grasp your perception of the hammer. So, you percieve the hammer outside of your mental self, even if it is just a shade of the true object. Also, you can percieve the affect of the hammer on the outside world - hitting objects with it. People near you perceieve exactly the same effect that is caused by the hammar. If it existed only in your mind, people's perceptions of the hammer's damage would be different, but, they are not, so, the hammer exists outside of your mind.

Ockham* is the way my mind has percieved...

I will use the force and I will break from this state of unreality, and free myself to attain spiritual perfection... I'll overcome you - or me if you're a drug-induced hallucination...

You miss the point, how do you know other people can percieve the hammer that may or may not exist, because they can be only perceptions that can't percieve because I'm the only one who experiences reality

Prove to me that you exist. I've never seen any of you in person, though even if I have then you could be a figment of my imagination, real to me but to no one else... if there is anyone else. Am I the only real person? Am I a real person? Stop these mind games! PROVE YOUR EXISTANCE LEST YE BE DETERMINED NOT HUMAN!

I can't prove my existAnce, because that word doesn't exist. This whole idea is just too existEntial for me.

Besides, why does it matter? You're born, you live, you die -- we're all just a vague bundle of sensory perceptions encased in fallible and deteriorating flesh. And if it does matter, does it matter that it matters?

Where's Marvin when you really need him?

You miss the point, how do you know other people can percieve the hammer that may or may not exist, because they can be only perceptions that can't percieve because I'm the only one who experiences reality
you miss my point.

Other people percieve the hammer in their minds as well, lending to its 'un-reality'. What trips it up though is that everyone has exactly the same perception of the hammer's affect on another object. Since everyone has a different perception of an object, yet they all experience the same affect, the hammer must exist outside of perception and enter the world of reality.

My perception of Intangelon hurts my feelings

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But only my perception of the hammer is "real". I don't think there can be any other perceptions because I don't know if any of you exist

PROVE YOUR EXISTANCE

NO!

Well, I know someone's not human)

Busted! ^_^;

I am indeed nothing more than a figment of your imagination. Now that you know our true nature why don't you work on imagining a harem of cute chicks for yourself instead? ^_~

My perception of Intangelon hurts my feelings

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But only my perception of the hammer is "real". I don't think there can be any other perceptions because I don't know if any of you exist


ahh. . .so all the other people percieveing the exact same thing exist only in your head.

Well, I'm going to turn into Descartes for a moment here.

you doubt you exist, you think about your doubt, you exist. You doubt other people exist, they doubt they exist, they think about their doubt, they exist, but only for themselves. Once they prove to themselves they exist, they turn to your doubt. You think about their lack of existence. Since there are only two states: being and non-being, you have to assume that since you doubt their existence, then they have to exist, even if its in your own head. But, because there are only two state, then they exist in reality because reality is the only plane that supports the being that is existence.

There, we are all real.

GAHG!

Yes, I doubt I exist, so therefore I exist, yes?

Because everyone else has the same doubts they exist too... but how can they doubt to exist if they don't exist in the first place and are just figments of my immagination. I could be schizophrenic and sitting on the floor of a looney bin imagining I'm having this conversation.

So in my mind's reality you all may or may not exist, but is there an actual reality where I can know for certain anything but my perceptions of reality exist?

I would be imagining cute chicks, but how do I know girls exist?

I would be imagining cute chicks, but how do I know girls exist?
they actually don't. Well for you at least.

Well I can assure you I do not exist. And seeing as how I don't exist, there's certainly no harm in letting me know your Social Security, bank account, and credit card numbers, right?

In reality chicks may not exist, but from time to time they may or may not have existed in my percieved reality

In your social life - real or percieved - they have and never will exist

I would be imagining cute chicks, but how do I know girls exist?

Pragmatically it doesn't matter. If everything is imaginary anyway then you might as well seek out or create the most pleasing hallucination that you have the concepts for.
:)

Sdaeriji, a greedy imagination figment aren't we? I would give them to you, but I don't know if it'd be accurate... I don't know if any of those things are real...

Airlandia, the way I picture you is quite pleasing :fluffle: :: percieving cyber relations::

My perception of Intangelon hurts my feelings


Your perception is addled by your ego -- a definite sign that you exist.

Happy now?

[Ponders]

Of course there *is* the litmus test that Phillip K. Dick used, "Reality is that which, when you do not believe in it, does *not* go away."

That one would seem to have a bias towards the unpleasent in a pessimistic mind. @_@

Know I know I exist... it's just that whether you exist or not is my problem

In reality chicks may not exist, but from time to time they may or may not have existed in my percieved reality

In your social life - real or percieved - they have and never will exist

Sure they exist they're yellow, fuzzy, and scratch at the ground a lot. :D

I am, therefore I exist. I read, therefore you exist. That's all that matters.

i created my own universe.
creating a universe,in my opinion,makes you the god of that universe.
i do not believe in any gods.
using this logic,i cannot exist.
therefore,i am just a figment of your imagination.