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This video makes me uneasy. There is a big difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism.

Please tell me this video doesn't reflect the views of the American majority...

http://americawestandasone.com/video.html

This video makes me uneasy. There is a big difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism.

Please tell me this video doesn't reflect the views of the American majority...

http://americawestandasone.com/video.html

Have you got a summary or transcipt for us 56kers?

That guy has a shitty voice. And the special effects were a tad off.
That said, I don't see what the big deal is about this. I didn't see bigotry...

Um... okay.

Man with long hair walking on the sun-lit beach singing about America whilst images of firefighters and officers appear in clouds in the sky with excessive lens flare effects and fairies. Frequent use of the words referring to "We Stand as One"

It's not a joke either, visit the rest of their site...

i think i may have to go kill myself after watching/listening to that...

This video makes me uneasy. There is a big difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism.

Please tell me this video doesn't reflect the views of the American majority...

http://americawestandasone.com/video.htmlwhat part of it makes it Bigoted?

Oh and they are Angels... not Fairies...

:D That was GREAT! I'm going to show it to all my friends.

If this stuff reached the E.U

Relations would turn very sour very quickly.

Oh and the only difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism, is violence.

Um... okay.

Man with long hair walking on the sun-lit beach singing about America whilst images of firefighters and officers appear in clouds in the sky with excessive lens flare effects and fairies. Frequent use of the words referring to "We Stand as One"

It's not a joke either, visit the rest of their site...
and America is now pronounced "Ameruca"

I just jumped about through the video (Hey, I'm busy watching X-Men, sue me).
Can't say I've seen/heard anything that makes it bigoted.
It just appears to be a bad video to a bad song.

How sickening.

If this stuff reached the E.U

Relations would turn very sour very quickly.

Oh and the only difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism, is violence.

It allready has...We're watching it, aren't we?

If this stuff reached the E.U

Relations would turn very sour very quickly.

Oh and the only difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism, is violence.and I didn't see any violence in the video... except for the sub-standard song...

and if any E.U persons find it offensive... why? (out of curiosity.)

Can't say I've seen/heard anything that makes it bigoted.
I agree. I can't see anything in particular wrong with it.

I agree. I can't see anything in particular wrong with it.

Nor can I, but it's still shitcrap.

It allready has...We're watching it, aren't we?
True, can the real states hurry up and suscceed so the e.u can bomb these idiots back the stone age.

Honeslty its like the nazi's propaganda before it started to get openlty racist.

What virutes goes it excell exaclty.

Freedom?

of what?

and if any E.U persons find it offensive... why? (out of curiosity.)
it would be very, very hard to find it offensive

its just soul destroying in its crapness and cheesyness

True, can the real states hurry up and suscceed so the e.u can bomb these idiots back the stone age.

Honeslty its like the nazi's propaganda before it started to get openlty racist.

What virutes goes it excell exaclty.

Freedom?

of what?

Obviously, you didn't notice the token black angel and the token black fireman :p

its a bit worrying.

Nationalism is never a good thing no matter what anyone says.

It allways leads to war,

and its free lunch ticket for a dictator to step in.

True, can the real states hurry up and suscceed so the e.u can bomb these idiots back the stone age.

Honeslty its like the nazi's propaganda before it started to get openlty racist.

What virutes goes it excell exaclty.

Freedom?

of what?but what is offensive about it? Calling for National Unity is offensive? You call it Propaganda... you mean none of your singers/song writers have any songs praising the UK? or Europe?

Obviously, you didn't notice the token black angel and the token black fireman :p
strange in most u.s programmes now they now have some Asian people as well. apparently there the new accepted minority.

No Hispanics though. there still filth apparently

http://www.morrisseymusic.com/lyrics/America.txt

but what is offensive about it? Calling for National Unity is offensive? You call it Propaganda... you mean none of your singers/song writers have any songs praising the UK? or Europe?
Thats the thing.

We really really dont.

We have the old jokey football song about drinking and england. but we dont have.

This.

Maybe its becuase american has not yet seen the dark side of nationalism, don't worry you will though.

Thats the thing.

We really really dont.

We have the old jokey football song about drinking and england. but we dont have.

This.

Maybe its becuase american has not yet seen the dark side of nationalism, don't worry you will though.Perhaps... but somehow I think not. because we have our friends in Europe and Asia to bitch slap us if we get too uppity...

Don't need to post it too many times Xedge, we've read it.

But do Europeans honestly find that video upsetting? It's not even about nationalism, the whole song was about 'be strong we stand as one' blah blah blah more cheezy lyrics. The song was telling people to stand strong in hard times, nothing about, 'we're better than they, let's stand up and kick ass, come on everybody!'. Honestly, other than the way to cheezy lyrics and crappy singer, how is that upsetting?

Don't need to post it too many times Xedge, we've read it.

But do Europeans honestly find that video upsetting? It's not even about nationalism, the whole song was about 'be strong we stand as one' blah blah blah more cheezy lyrics. The song was telling people to stand strong in hard times, nothing about, 'we're better than they, let's stand up and kick ass, come on everybody!'. Honestly, other than the way to cheezy lyrics and crappy singer, how is that upsetting?
Thats nationalism,

what do you think nationalism is??

a song about how great your country is?!?!
seriously.

this falls into the category of "vomit-inducingly patriotic"

sure, i like living here, but there's no need to worship the place.


oh, and it's not actually bigoted against anything, just a little too pretensious and full of itself.


plus, it's a really bad song put to really bad video.

Nationalism is about standing strong in hard times? Wow, so its a bad thing to tell people not go down when things get rough....Those psychiatrists are gonna be out of job if nationalism becomes a universal bad thing...

p.s-I didn't like the song, thought is sucked some serious monkey balls to be honest, but still find it kinda sad that Euros are finding it upsetting...

Don't need to post it too many times Xedge, we've read it.

But do Europeans honestly find that video upsetting? It's not even about nationalism, the whole song was about 'be strong we stand as one' blah blah blah more cheezy lyrics. The song was telling people to stand strong in hard times, nothing about, 'we're better than they, let's stand up and kick ass, come on everybody!'. Honestly, other than the way to cheezy lyrics and crappy singer, how is that upsetting?

Upsetting is the wrong word... I just found it incredibly funny. Though, the guy has a point, it does remind me alot of the old soviet propaganda films. You know, the soldiers, the workers...etc. Except they had a bunch of soldiers singing instead of a guy with big hair.

Horrible special effects, I mean, seriously, what the hell? They couldn't pay a professional to take the time to not make it look like utter shit?

Nationalism is about standing strong in hard times? Wow, so its a bad thing to tell people not go down when things get rough....Those psychiatrists are gonna be out of job if nationalism becomes a universal bad thing...

p.s-I didn't like the song, thought is sucked some serious monkey balls to be honest, but still find it kinda sad that Euros are finding it upsetting...

What do you mean by hard times?

we all find it upsetting becuase the last time video like this were mainstream in europe 50 million people died.

Those psychiatrists are gonna be out of job if nationalism becomes a universal bad thing...


patriotism is pride for your country.

nationalism is loving your country so much that you look down upon anything that isn't your country.



it's the difference between being a vegan and being someone who bombs McDonalds.

this is realy disgusting in my opinion, its like oo america your so great, carry on, opressing the world.
nothing personaly to americans but maybe americans don't see it this way because they get brainwashed by their media.

this is realy disgusting in my opinion, its like oo america your so great, carry on, opressing the world.
nothing personaly to americans but maybe americans don't see it this way because they get brainwashed by their media.where did you get that idea about oppressing the world in this video? please cite images or lyrics.

Thats the thing.

We really really dont.

We have the old jokey football song about drinking and england. but we dont have.

This.

Oh really? This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_Britannia) is played every year on the Last Night of the Proms, and, if I'm not mistaken, on Remembrance Sunday.

But anyway, I really see no problem with the odd spot of patriotism, providing you can be prepared to take it with a pinch of salt.

patriotism is pride for your country.

nationalism is loving your country so much that you look down upon anything that isn't your country.



it's the difference between being a vegan and being someone who bombs McDonalds.

Yes, I know what nationalism is. Hell, I took classes on European History that went into a lot of detail about nationalism when I lived in Europe. That video was not nationalist. It was telling people to 'be strong' and was probaly referring to the hard times people went through in 9/11 and the military families with boys over seas. No where did that singer say anything looking down any country, again, that song just said that Americans should 'be strong.'

Scouserlande, I think your taking the video to the extreme. No where did that song imply that Americans are better than everyone else and should kick the shit out of people for not being them. Seriously, that song, no matter how crappy it was, only said that people need to stand together, to be strong, yaddah yaddah yaddah, the same old glass is half full stuff you hear if you go to a family psychiatrist.

Oh really? This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_Britannia) is played every year on the Last Night of the Proms, and, if I'm not mistaken, on Remembrance Sunday.

But anyway, I really see no problem with the odd spot of patriotism, providing you can be prepared to take it with a pinch of salt.
That songs also 150ish years old, and it comes from a time when yes we were very nationalistic.

and what did the british do when they were nationialistic, attack eveyone eveywere for little to no reason.

Yes, I know what nationalism is. Hell, I took classes on European History that went into a lot of detail about nationalism when I lived in Europe. That video was not nationalist. It was telling people to 'be strong' and was probaly referring to the hard times people went through in 9/11 and the military families with boys over seas. No where did that singer say anything looking down any country, again, that song just said that Americans should 'be strong.'

Scouserlande, I think your taking the video to the extreme. No where did that song imply that Americans are better than everyone else and should kick the shit out of people for not being them. Seriously, that song, no matter how crappy it was, only said that people need to stand together, to be strong, yaddah yaddah yaddah, the same old glass is half full stuff you hear if you go to a family psychiatrist.
Sorry I’m a bit pig headed at times.

I just see a lot of the growth of the right wing in America, as very worrying these days, and really if you read between the lines of this video the messages of unity and strength, well where’s the place for individual liberty and peace in that?

Patriotism with out actually being proud of the specific features of your country that you admire, is well very manipulateable.

It's pretty damn awful, covers about every cliche possible.

And the singer is the Star-Trek stunt co-ordinator Dennis Madalone, thought i'd put that trivia in :D

It's pretty damn awful, covers about every cliche possible.

And the singer is the Star-Trek stunt co-ordinator Dennis Madalone, thought i'd put that trivia in :D
Read his bio.

He gose on about 5 times about how strong he is.

Bit of a self indulgant twat

At one point he states that being a on a star treck baseball card is one of the highest honors possible.

Read his bio.

He gose on about 5 times about how strong he is.

Bit of a self indulgant twat

At one point he states that being a on a star treck baseball card is one of the highest honors possible.

Ha, I've got to read that.

EDIT: yup, you're right .. what an inspirational story, setting the school polevault record, going to california with 52 bucks, a true hero.

Ohhh yea! U-S-A! Ameeriicuh-huh! We stand as one!

That guy is soooo original! I mean I've never heard anything like that before! Americans high on nationalism singing their country's name over and over again.... whoa, that guy is a friggin genious. Where does he come up with this stuff!

It almost makes John Ashcroft's singing seem good/original.
"Let the eeaaagle soar! Like she's never soaaarrnn beforrree!"

People like this is why God created Simon from American Idol.

Read his bio.

He gose on about 5 times about how strong he is.

Bit of a self indulgant twat

At one point he states that being a on a star treck baseball card is one of the highest honors possible.and your bio won't point out any of your triumphs... hmmmm...

and if being on a star trek card is one of his highest honors... then I'll forgive his self indulgance.

That was absolutely abysmal. I don't know what is worse, the fact that it is ridiculous propaganda, or that there are people that this would work on.

Yay glorification of the nation state.

That was absolutely abysmal. I don't know what is worse, the fact that it is ridiculous propaganda, or that there are people that this would work on.serious question... what propaganda?

serious question... what propaganda?

Really? That's a serious question?

If it is, how about:

1. The guy screaming "U-mar-u-kaa", while angels are flying around in the background.

2. The singer and the American flag are the only two dominant entities in the video, including when they color in the tide like an American flag.

3. The woman holding the baby in the cemetary, then cutting to a soldier in front of an flag.

Propaganda:

Definition: [n] information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause

If you can find one frame from that video that wasn't shot with the purpose of making people want to be good Christian patriots, then I might admit that it isn't propaganda.

Now you're being rude and stupid. the NYFD lost alot of people in the towers as well as the NYPD!
Just ignore it, its blatant flamebait.

"Men love their country, not because it is great, but because it is their own" -Seneca
"Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons."
-Bertrand Russell
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -George Bernard Shaw

I believe these three quotes basically explains patriotism.

For a comparison of patriotism and nationalism:
patriotism
noun :love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

nationalism
noun 1: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it
2: the doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other
3: the aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination
4: the doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals

In the kind of nationalism we generally talk of is number 1 although some would be supporters of number 2.

Anyway a true patriot should use actions and not just talk of it. Like everyone having bumber stickers saying that they are supporting US troops when they don't actually do anything supporting them.

I think there is nothing positive in nationalism/patriotism in general. Like waving flags and having bumber stickers saying how patriotic you are. I am an enemy of unnatural nationalism.

ah, screw it...

The song is about America being united... Really? That's a serious question?

If it is, how about:

1. The guy screaming "U-mar-u-kaa", while angels are flying around in the background.not propaganda... bad artistic taste... but not propaganda... what message do they spread. and Angels are also symbolic for the sprit of men who died. this could be just a tribute to all Americans (considering the song) who died in acts of selfless courage.
[Edited after watching video for second time... ugh] = notice, he doesn't start singing till after the "angels" or in this case, I think they're suppose to be the sprits of those who've fallen before, enter his body... so for this point i'll call it the Patriotic spirits. so the Angels seen are not representing Christianity but the (in this case) American Patriotic Spirit. watched it for a third time... the USA on his shirt glows which would indicate not a religious experience but a patriotic on.

now... while I like cheese... pleae don't make me watch it again... :headbang:

2. The singer and the American flag are the only two dominant entities in the video, including when they color in the tide like an American flag.the song is about America... so what flag would they fly?

3. The woman holding the baby in the cemetary, then cutting to a soldier in front of an flag.I believe (if someone can correct me, please do) that the cemetary is representing Arlington National Cemetary.... the woman with baby is standing infront of a grave and the soldier can be then inferred to be her husband who is dead, presumed killed in action. so she is in mourning. but also proud of what he did for his country.

Propaganda:

Definition: [n] information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause

If you can find one frame from that video that wasn't shot with the purpose of making people want to be good Christian patriots, then I might admit that it isn't propaganda.1) Him walking through the school yard filled with playing children.
2)all the scenes of firemen/policemen/Medical emergency workers doing what they can to save lives...

no Christian subtext there.

unless only Christians can become firemen, policemen, and Medical Emergency Workers... but I doubt that.

perhaps his message was to cease the endless bickering that is dividing the nation... perhaps he wants to thank the soldiers who are out there fighting and this is his way of doing so.

Just ignore it, its blatant flamebait.yeah... after I posted, I noticed his post count... probably got deated several times.

Some bloody americans thinking they are gods gift!

Clearly demonstrates two things:

1. Very Sh*t taste in music that guy has
2. A cheesy attitude that is more cheesy that a McDonalds cheese burger that has been requested with extra chees, and then dropped into a tub of cheese, to make it that bit more cheesy.

And so do some Brits, some Irish (I don't think, I know I'm God's gift :p ), in every country, there are some who think they are 'God's gift' or take nationalism to that extreme...

yeah but the irish do it buy being drunk :) now that is being patriotic!

I will give you that the song is sub par but the message that they are trying to convey of America standing strong as a country against troubled times and terrorism is excellent.

It's not propaganda if the government isn't behind it.

Adn teh government ISNT behind it, because the Government has better special effects, and hopefully better writers.

In the meantime, any American can say whatever they want, including God Bless America in a shoddy song with shoddy special effects and a horrible voice/accent.

This video makes me uneasy. There is a big difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism.

Please tell me this video doesn't reflect the views of the American majority...

http://americawestandasone.com/video.html
isn't capitalism wonderful :rolleyes:

As a generally conservative USian I found that video so cringeworthy I couldn't finish watching it. How the hell can people bring themselves to create something that idiotic and be proud of it? It has got to be a joke or something.

Yes, the song did suck, badly...Horribly cheezy....Lame, shitastic, a crap load of 'glass is half full' psyco-quack bs....

:D

Thats the funniest thing i've seen in a long time. But it just shows how mislead and patronised mainstream America is. Quite depressing really

Thats the funniest thing i've seen in a long time. But it just shows how mislead and patronised mainstream America is. Quite depressing really

This isn't an attack on you but rather a generally rhetoric question for NSers:

How does an internet file that I've never even heard of constitute "mainstream media." Just because it is on the 'net doesn't mean its part of the mainstream. Especially if you have to dig through some no-name oblivion of webspace to find it....

I will give you that the song is sub par but the message that they are trying to convey of America standing strong as a country against troubled times and terrorism is excellent.

And of course, terrorism can easily be combatted by attacking any country that does not agree with their ways. America are hardly in troubled times, if you get into statistical figures, 5000 (roughly died) in the twin towers attack, where as in Rwanda:

"At least 800,000 people, mostly minority Tutsis, died in the massacres between April and July 2004." (Reference BBC News: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4414619.stm)

Did many people realise that had happened as i don't watch the news too often and only just caught that one day.

Does living in America still seem that troubled?

Apologies if i give off an impression of not caring for those who have died in now what is sloganed as 9/11, but i sympathise with anyone who lost someone in that event, but some things need a bit more perspective.

And of course, terrorism can easily be combatted by attacking any country that does not agree with their ways. America are hardly in troubled times, if you get into statistical figures, 5000 (roughly died) in the twin towers attack, where as in Rwanda:

"At least 800,000 people, mostly minority Tutsis, died in the massacres between April and July 2004." (Reference BBC News: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4414619.stm)

Did many people realise that had happened as i don't watch the news too often and only just caught that one day.

Does living in America still seem that troubled?...

Apologies if i give off an impression of not caring for those who have died in now what is sloganed as 9/11, but i sympathise with anyone who lost someone in that event, but some things need a bit more perspective.and that was portrayed in the video??? I watched it 3 times and saw nuthing about Terrorism or about any other nation

And of course, terrorism can easily be combatted by attacking any country that does not agree with their ways. America are hardly in troubled times, if you get into statistical figures, 5000 (roughly died) in the twin towers attack, where as in Rwanda:

"At least 800,000 people, mostly minority Tutsis, died in the massacres between April and July 2004." (Reference BBC News: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4414619.stm)

Did many people realise that had happened as i don't watch the news too often and only just caught that one day.

Does living in America still seem that troubled?

Apologies if i give off an impression of not caring for those who have died in now what is sloganed as 9/11, but i sympathise with anyone who lost someone in that event, but some things need a bit more perspective.

If we attacked countries that didn't agree with us, the world would be rather barren. If we happen to put a dictator in power, and feel the need to relieve him of his power -we- gave him, then consider that a debt collection.

and that was portrayed in the video??? I watched it 3 times and saw nuthing about Terrorism or about any other nation
had the firemen, its a loose connection but its there.

All the flagwaving, angels and smiling Bush-youth reminds me alot of the old "Gott mit uns".

If anyone listen to the lyrics, as difficult as it is to listen to his voice, there is a line:

"We must carry on, we must carry on" during the images of the firemen,

don't think i can reference that to anything else, but i could be proven wrong on that.

Overcrowded schools and anonymous government agents watching you at all times from the clouds? BRILLIANT!

GBA(Gameboy Advance)
WWJD(World Wide Jihad Demonstrations)

This video makes me uneasy. There is a big difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism.

Please tell me this video doesn't reflect the views of the American majority...

http://americawestandasone.com/video.html
I get the feeling that's a joke.

It has to be, the song is so terrible...

I should introduce this type of music to my fellow countrymen... Ah yes, I can picture it now: A bunch of angels, flags and kids burst out of something shiny I wear around my neck. The lyrics? IIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiceland Iceland we had a nasty traa-haaaaffic accident the other day but noooooow it's time to stand together and be proud!
http://www.snari.is/alblodrur/nyrella.gif

Prepare for the DRAFT!!!!

Prepare for the DRAFT!!!!

If there's a draft, I'm going to Canada. Or some other country.

If there's a draft, I'm going to Canada. Or some other country.
...but you 'must carry on', right?

I get the feeling that's a joke.

It has to be, the song is so terrible...

I hate to say it again, but it isn't a joke at all. Take "video" off the URL and view the rest of their site.

I'm glad this thread caught on. There has been some really good discussion here.

My personal comment about all of this is: if a film like this was made about MY country, I would be just as sick. It really does go over the top with the cheese and overall bullshit. But tell me though, since no one has addressed this: Is this the perspective of MOST Americans? Or is this just the video of a fanatic??

...but you 'must carry on', right?

Pfff!

I watched maybe 30 seconds of it before turning it off. Not because it was bigoted or overly-patriotic, but because it just plain sucked.

Jesus people.
It's a shitty video that anyone with a camera and fifty dollars of editting software could make.
And frankly, the arguement that European nations are somehow devoid of nationalism is a load.
Stop freaking out.

I actually got shivers all over my body from watching that.

I actually got shivers all over my body from watching that.

*tosses BLARG a duck down quilt*

Hope that helps, man. But, you'll never forget... You'll never forget...

I actually got shivers all over my body from watching that.

Ah...That's just patriotism

*tosses BLARG a duck down quilt*

Hope that helps, man. But, you'll never forget... You'll never forget...

*mutters*
...and I'm proud to be an American where at least I know its true. . .

*goes back to hitting head on wall.

Just thought I'd throw this in. Patriotism tends to be very fundamental to ensuring that individuals can work together on many levels. I don't have much against patriotism, unless it's incited with a mob mentality behind it. For instance, I'm fine with supporting our troops, I think they do a great duty to our country...but you've also got to remember that we're fighting an essentially pointless war, and by supporting our troops you will be supporting the causes of higher-ups in government, not the pride and freedom of your country. So in this case patriotism turns out to be a bad thing. A mob mentality took over after 9/11 that allowed for 'people' to yell a phrase and have it become the cause the tribe is fighting for. We've grown wise to this fact, so the problem that alot of people in general are fearing, or so it would seem, is being able to tell who is still following the mob and who is actually supporting what the country stands for. IMO, so long as your not so oblivious that you cannot discern between loving one's country and getting off the president, there's really not a problem.

This video is ridiculous. :eek:

I've seen Soviet propaganda from the 70s before, this video is even worse than that stuff. That stuff at least made me laugh.

Health Warning: This video can induce uncontrolled vomiting.

Haha, that was hilarious! :)
but what is offensive about it? Calling for National Unity is offensive? You call it Propaganda... you mean none of your singers/song writers have any songs praising the UK? or Europe?
No... we don't! ;) *gigglesnort*

Hmm.. I wonder..

Why do Christians not consider this movie with its gratuitous use of angels and long haired individuals radiating golden light blasphemous ?

It's not propaganda if the government isn't behind it.


Government propaganda is just one type of propaganda. Propaganda is information (often inaccurate) which an organization (any type) publishes or broadcasts in order to influence people. e.g non-smoking ads are propaganda too. Sometimes people talk about black and white propaganda. White="use your seatbelts" black="your country needs you" (to fight against communism)

and if any E.U persons find it offensive... why? (out of curiosity.)
I find it offensive
a) in terms of esthetics. This is sooo cheesy, badly made and sung horribly, it feels worse than waking up next to an unknown, ugly girl while having a hangover.
b) in its glorification of a single nation, which disturbs me everytime, for every nation
c) because of the imagery of angels, hand reaching out in heaven (ref. Micheangelo, The creation of man), which leaves a bad aftertaste of "God's own country", which is arrogant in the extreme
d) because of unreflected idolisation of uniformed citizens. The cloth does not make the man/woman.

The most obvious propaganda is what you see in for example elections.

The whole thing seem kinda like the Soviet Union: Long live our workers who toils for our nation's glory!

Propaganda is not supposed to be obvious, you are supposed to be fooled. Much propaganda in elections is twisting the truth, using general terms instead of facts.

Hmm.. I wonder..

Why do Christians not consider this movie with its gratuitous use of angels and long haired individuals radiating golden light blasphemous ?

Angels are american. Don't you know anything?

This video made me laugh soo hard! Oh my God!! People shouldn't be so offended. I've seen a lot worse come from the U.S. than that. America, I hope for your sake that that video doesn't spread too much or you'll be standing as one, while the world is keeled over from the pain of laughing too hard. Europeans, anytime someone says "America is the greatest country...etc" all you have to do is show them this video. It'll shut them up forever, muahaha!

This video makes me uneasy. There is a big difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism.

Please tell me this video doesn't reflect the views of the American majority...

http://americawestandasone.com/video.html

It does reflect the majority of America.

We stand as one!

This has got to be one of the best music videos I have ever seen. It brought a tear to my eye. Now I have to go out and try to find this song in either a single or on a CD!

Thanks for posting this. May God Bless America.

If there's a draft, I'm going to Canada. Or some other country.

Make sure your passport is up to date! LOL

well if you don't like that video, how about God bless ... (http://lvb.net/GodBlessBelgium.wmv) ?

ps: the text at the end says: a little bit of pride can't hurt... (sarcastic)

It does reflect the majority of America.

We stand as one!

This has got to be one of the best music videos I have ever seen. It brought a tear to my eye. Now I have to go out and try to find this song in either a single or on a CD!

Thanks for posting this. May God Bless America.


Majority? Like what? 51%?

Impressive... not...

I'm not really sickened by the "message" of the video, but more by the tastes of people. It's one of the worst music videos I've ever seen, it's bad, really... I'm not going to comment on the message, that's a different story. But the video itself, the song, the way it's presented etc... It's so... cheap and shallow.

Fitting form 51% of the US-Americans though... And technically for more people world wide, since most people love shallow entertainment.

Someone should make a video with burping, or maybe even farting the US anthem, now THAT would be an innovation.

I think that video proves Oscar Wilde's little quote "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious". Only somebody really cruel would torture people with something like this.

Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegh!

*cries*

*borrows that stars and stripes handkerchief the dude was waving about in the wind*

*weeps at beautiful sentiment of US patriotism in song form*

*sarcasm meter in pocket explodes from ODing on sarcasm*

I want to retch.

well if you don't like that video, how about God bless ... (http://lvb.net/GodBlessBelgium.wmv) ?

ps: the text at the end says: a little bit of pride can't hurt... (sarcastic)
hilarious! Brilliant ad.

I have to admit I love those firemen walking in the clouds in the other one too.

hilarious! Brilliant ad.

I have to admit I love those firemen walking in the clouds in the other one too.

Hehe, I agree completely! :)

That was so crap that I switched it off 1/4 of the way through then vomited on my floor in disgust. But I didn't see any bigotry.

This has got to be one of the best music videos I have ever seen. It brought a tear to my eye. Now I have to go out and try to find this song in either a single or on a CD!

You can order the CD single or DVD video from the site. The singer was a stunt coordinator or someting on Star Trek. :D

them damn mexicans better get them asses out of america and today!!!!

i just can't stand this USA america crap

well if you don't like that video, how about God bless ... (http://lvb.net/GodBlessBelgium.wmv) ?

ps: the text at the end says: a little bit of pride can't hurt... (sarcastic)

oh yes btw, this as was made by the Belgian government...

Majority? Like what? 51%?

Impressive... not...

I'm not really sickened by the "message" of the video, but more by the tastes of people. It's one of the worst music videos I've ever seen, it's bad, really... I'm not going to comment on the message, that's a different story. But the video itself, the song, the way it's presented etc... It's so... cheap and shallow.

Fitting form 51% of the US-Americans though... And technically for more people world wide, since most people love shallow entertainment.

Someone should make a video with burping, or maybe even farting the US anthem, now THAT would be an innovation.

I think that video proves Oscar Wilde's little quote "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious". Only somebody really cruel would torture people with something like this.

Was it that same patriotism that lead to the US being independent? Wasn't it this same patriotism that defended the US whn they tried to retake us? Or how about when the South tried to split and the Union wanted to keep the whole country together? How about the massive amounts of people signing up to defend their country when we were attacked on 12/7/41 and 9/11/01? People do have a since of patriotism. They will defend their country when attacked and will rally around the flag in times of crisis. Why? Because it is who we are.

Patriotism is more than picking up a gun and fighting for ones country. It is rallying around the country when the nation is in crisis. To do all you can to help your country. Yes defending it is also patriotism, but there are other forms of patriotism than military service.

51% voted for the winner but 60% of the voting population showed their patriotism by voting. They followed through on what our forfathers fought to achieve and to maintain. That is patriotism as well.

If your going to attack someone over patriotism, make sure you know the definition of the word.

Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegh!*Hands LP a bucket and Mop.* You're cleaning that one up yourself pal... :D

If Denmark wanted to, they could annex all of Europe. Pathetic.

Of course, you did spend a thousand or so years simply trying to kill eachother out of your own wanton bloodlust/greed/jealousy. So I guess we should give you some time to recover.

Was it that same patriotism that lead to the US being independent?.no it wasnt.

If Denmark wanted to, they could annex all of Europe.

I doubt it. They are too small.

no it wasnt.

Yes it was. It was patriotism that forced us to seperate from the monarchy. It was patriotism that rallied the troops that did sign up to defend this new country. It was this patriotism that bled at Yorktown, Saratoga, Lexington, Concord, Trenton, etc.

Ein Deutscher']I doubt it. They are too small.

I agree with you [NS]Ein Deutscher.

This video makes me uneasy. There is a big difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism.

Please tell me this video doesn't reflect the views of the American majority...

http://americawestandasone.com/video.html
It reflects my views, but I obviously can't speak for others. What in the world bothers you about some guy singing about still being with his wife after he's died in service to his Country???

This video makes me uneasy. There is a big difference between healthy patriotism and bigoted nationalism.

Please tell me this video doesn't reflect the views of the American majority...

http://americawestandasone.com/video.html


wow, that looks like a corny commercial(I only watched half)

People, this isn't bigotry. It's hardcore nationalism, but nobody's being insulted.

Also, almost NO opinion represents the US majority. There are too many factions, and most matters fall into a spectrum, not a black-and-white breakdown. So to represent the majority takes some work. This piece probably does not-- too many bigots, too many ungrateful Euro-wannabes, and too many apathetics to have many agree with it.

I prefer the beautifully understated patriotism expressed in these lyrics:

Artist: Trey Parker Lyrics
Song: Freedom Isn't Free Lyrics

What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had.
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty fuckin' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom.
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little pussy
'Cause the only reason that you're here.
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a have to hook'in fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five.

To those of you from other countries getting all bent out of shape about this video: Don't. The vast majority of us do not run around humming songs of national pride, believing that our country can do no wrong.