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Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy is a fairly accomplished jurist, but he might want to get himself a good lawyer -- and perhaps a few more bodyguards.

Conservative leaders meeting in Washington yesterday for a discussion of "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny" decided that Kennedy, a Ronald Reagan appointee, should be impeached, or worse.

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Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

Ominously, Vieira continued by saying his "bottom line" for dealing with the Supreme Court comes from Joseph Stalin. "He had a slogan, and it worked very well for him, whenever he ran into difficulty: 'no man, no problem,' " Vieira said.

The full Stalin quote, for those who don't recognize it, is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." Presumably, Vieira had in mind something less extreme than Stalin did and was not actually advocating violence. But then, these are scary times for the judiciary. An anti-judge furor may help confirm President Bush's judicial nominees, but it also has the potential to turn ugly.

A judge in Atlanta and the husband and mother of a judge in Chicago were murdered in recent weeks. After federal courts spurned a request from Congress to revisit the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said that "the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) mused about how a perception that judges are making political decisions could lead people to "engage in violence."

"The people who have been speaking out on this, like Tom DeLay and Senator Cornyn, need to be backed up," Schlafly said to applause yesterday. One worker at the event wore a sticker declaring "Hooray for DeLay."

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Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who wrote "How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary," escalated the charges, saying a Politburo of "five people on the Supreme Court" has a "revolutionary agenda" rooted in foreign law and situational ethics. Vieira, his eyeglasses strapped to his head with black elastic, decried the "primordial illogic" of the courts.

Invoking Stalin, Vieira delivered the "no man, no problem" line twice for emphasis. "This is not a structural problem we have; this is a problem of personnel," he said. "We are in this mess because we have the wrong people as judges."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38308-2005Apr8.html


Isn't that special.

some people are also stupid.

well, at least the street-level fascist violence is going to be directed at the state, rather than the left like it used to be.

upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

saying a Politburo of "five people on the Supreme Court" has a "revolutionary agenda" rooted in foreign law and situational ethics.
They think the Supreme Court has a revolutionary Marxist agenda?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh, damn. That was fucking hilarious.
Some people...

Yeah, especially since the Supreme Court has 5 conservatives on it.

Some people have no cluse as to what the court system is actually supposed to do. What they call 'legislating from the bench' is known as 'interpreting the law'. Something they are supposed to do. All the legislative branch does is write the law.

upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

You sure this isn't some kind of spoof? I mean...that can't be right.

Yeah, especially since the Supreme Court has 5 conservatives on it.

not nearly enough fascists though

You sure this isn't some kind of spoof? I mean...that can't be right.
Yeah, I'm fairly sure. It's funny, sad, and highly frightening at the same time. When will people wake up and actually start to stop these reactionaries?

You sure this isn't some kind of spoof? I mean...that can't be right.
there are people that think that way.

and here's the response

. . .upholds fascist, dictitiorial, regressive, fundamentalist christian principles drawn from being stupid.

i thought kennedy was conservative

i just dont see where the republicans get off dissing the courts for not being puppets of the republican party

i thought kennedy was conservative

i just dont see where the republicans get off dissing the courts for not being puppets of the republican party
Appointed by Ronald Reagan. Apparantly, the republicans do not believe in an indpenedent judiciary, instead it should just be a sock puppet of their radical side.

You sure this isn't some kind of spoof? I mean...that can't be right.

nah, it's completely in keeping with the crazy shit all the people in the arcticle say all the time. they write entire books full of it. and these aren't exactly bit players and cranks, either.

While these people are idiots who are on the verge of treason, it's fair to note that in Lawrence v. Texas, the Court did site international law as part of the decision-making process for their ruling.

O'Connor had it right on that case. Dumb judges.

I don't recognize the powers of any federal judge. Want some Wadd dollars?

Wow, that guy really needs to get laid- then he wouldn't be so insane.

Wow, that guy really needs to get laid- then he wouldn't be so insane.

I've scored more times then you'll ever in your entire life, and I'm on the thin ice as it is. I'm sure the cocaine abuse of years past hasn't helped things.

I've scored more times then you'll ever in your entire life, and I'm on the thin ice as it is. I'm sure the cocaine abuse of years past hasn't helped things.
You're no Dirk Diggler.

HAHA

homosexuality = communism :rolleyes:

You're no Dirk Diggler.

No, dirk diggler is no me!

Seriously, anyone want to invest with me in a Waco style compound?

HAHA

homosexuality = communism :rolleyes:
So obviously, we gays are just out to steal your hard-earned money and destroy western civilization!

Damn, why don't I ever get these memos?

:D

HAHA

homosexuality = communism :rolleyes:
Odd how illogic works isn't it?

So obviously, we gays are just out to steal your hard-earned money and destroy western civilization!

Damn, why don't I ever get these memos?

:D

That about sums it up. Plus you want to rid the world of heterosexuals by turning our youngsters gay through gay homosexual public education.

Odd how illogic works isn't it?
Yeah. Actually, didn't Joe McCarthy say it too?

Yeah. Actually, didn't Joe McCarthy say it too?


Joe was a true American patriot.

That about sums it up. Plus you want to rid the world of heterosexuals by turning our youngsters gay through gay homosexual public education.
Just got word from the head homosexual. Phase one of the movements starts in 22 hours.

Joe was a true American patriot.
If by "patriot" you mean "tyrannical paranoid nutcase asshole" then I agree.

Just got word from the head homosexual. Phase one of the movements starts in 22 hours.

I'm ready.

If by "patriot" you mean "tyrannical paranoid nutcase asshole" then I agree.


No, I mean a real patriot. He was showing just how commie our government was at the time. I'm glad he did. If it were up to me, I'd have executed those commies, starting with Alger Hiss.

"Killing communists is like eating chips:You can't stop with just one!" ;)

I don't recognize the powers of any federal judge. Want some Wadd dollars?
The constitution does ;)

The constitution does ;)

How would the Constitution stop me from not following a Federal Judges order?

Last time I checked it's a non-living object.

How would the Constitution stop me from not following a Federal Judges order?

Last time I checked it's a non-living object.
The police or the army sure as hell can :rolleyes:

The police or the army sure as hell can :rolleyes:

You think so huh? Just ask as many army men and cops as you can find if they like to engage in firefights with armed, dug in, white men. Even if I do get killed, as long as the media shows up, I already won.

You think so huh? Just ask as many army men and cops as you can find if they like to engage in firefights with armed, dug in, white men. Even if I do get killed, as long as the media shows up, I already won.
You do that :)

I could have sworn this guy got banned for trolling. Ah well. Keeps in the pattern of good stuff not happening in my life.

I could have sworn this guy got banned for trolling. Ah well. Keeps in the pattern of good stuff not happening in my life.

Even when I'm banned I'm never far away. Besides, my ban was over last week.

You do that :)

Yeah, I'll do that. Just make sure those bullies in gym class don't make you cry too much. :( It's ok kid, just wait till you get out in the real world.

Yeah, I'll do that. Just make sure those bullies in gym class don't make you cry too much. :( It's ok kid, just wait till you get out in the real world.
Those damn mean bullies :(


:rolleyes:

Grow up troll.

Why don't these people form their own party with every Dick, Tom, and Harry wacko out there? And then, of course, they can all move to Idaho, buy AK-47s (where they are legal), and practice like the perverted wackos they are.

Those damn mean bullies :(


:rolleyes:

Grow up troll.

Oh, so you're mature?

Using a stupid internet term. tsk tsk.

Why don't these people form their own party with every Dick, Tom, and Harry wacko out there? And then, of course, they can all move to Idaho, buy AK-47s (where they are legal), and practice like the perverted wackos they are.

Ak-47's suck.

Oh, so you're mature?

Using a stupid internet term. tsk tsk.
Says the 'porn star' who spends time on the same message board fishing for responces and acting like an attention trollop.


Tsk tsk tsk.

Joe McCarthy a true patriot... how low we have fallen. Founding Fathers, forgive us. We live in a world where the enemies of free speech are praised as "true patriots."

Jonny Wadd, you are a communist.

Wadd sounds slightly foreign. And hes talking about something i disagree with!

Look! I have as much evidence as McCarthy did!

good line bout the potato chips tho

Says the 'porn star' who spends time on the same message board fishing for responces and acting like an attention trollop.


Tsk tsk tsk.

You'll have to excuse Johnny. That's the brain tumor talking. Assuming that wasn't a lie for attention, it should do its job within a few years.

What this is, basically, is a RTL/Evangelical Right that has been complaining about judicial activism all this time, but now that they own all three branches, the Judiciary did their jobs, and here we are having the RTL/Evangelical Right complaining because the judiciary went by the law rather than play advocate/activist in the Terri Schiavo case.

Let 'em boil. The libertarian wing of the Republican party will be up in arms and revolting if the fundies keep this shit up.

Says the 'porn star' who spends time on the same message board fishing for responces and acting like an attention trollop.


Tsk tsk tsk.

When did I say I was a porn star? I've never stated that.

I like to "fish for responces". Attention trollop, nah, more like a retard detector. You see, most of the posts on NS are totally retarded and gay, why not fool with the gays and retarded, as they are fun. It's people like you who take themselves so seriously here that makes it fun to harass gays like you.

Sure you may have a "great" factual debate, but it's still retarded.

It's about time for this thread to be locked up, by the look of things.

When did I say I was a porn star? I've never stated that.

I like to "fish for responces". Attention trollop, nah, more like a retard detector. You see, most of the posts on NS are totally retarded and gay, why not fool with the gays and retarded, as they are fun. It's people like you who take themselves so seriously here that makes it fun to harass gays like you.

Sure you may have a "great" factual debate, but it's still retarded.
Then why are you here. Leave.

Joe McCarthy a true patriot... how low we have fallen. Founding Fathers, forgive us. We live in a world where the enemies of free speech are praised as "true patriots."

Jonny Wadd, you are a communist.

Wadd sounds slightly foreign. And hes talking about something i disagree with!

Look! I have as much evidence as McCarthy did!

good line bout the potato chips tho

Sorry but the founding fathers did not want us to hand over our government to the minorities, and commies. I am not a communist, as I just love money way too much.


Joe was not an enemy of free speech. Those commies were enemies of the state. Hell they already stole our A-bomb recipes, should we have given them NYC as well?

Let 'em boil. The libertarian wing of the Republican party will be up in arms and revolting if the fundies keep this shit up.

Why haven't they done so yet? That's why I finally gave up on the Republican Party. Even the Log Cabins don't do much more than pay lip service to the Radical (read Christian) Right.

Then why are you here. Leave.

If you read what I typed, you don't need an answer. Leave.

If you read what I typed, you don't need an answer. Leave.
Uhuh. You find it fun. I see.

Pathetic.

Uhuh. You find it fun. I see.

Pathetic.

Yeah, it sure is. You seem to be the pathetic one who responds to such patheticness. Loser.

BTW Did your mom ever have any kids that didn't suck?

What this is, basically, is a RTL/Evangelical Right that has been complaining about judicial activism all this time, but now that they own all three branches, the Judiciary did their jobs, and here we are having the RTL/Evangelical Right complaining because the judiciary went by the law rather than play advocate/activist in the Terri Schiavo case.

Let 'em boil. The libertarian wing of the Republican party will be up in arms and revolting if the fundies keep this shit up.

It's salad bar Christianity at its worst.

Ah Johnny Wadd. Like a car wreck, you know you shouldn't look, but you just can't help yourself.

Ah Johnny Wadd. Like a car wreck, you know you shouldn't look, but you just can't help yourself.

You should see my family then.

When did I say I was a porn star? I've never stated that.

I like to "fish for responces". Attention trollop, nah, more like a retard detector. You see, most of the posts on NS are totally retarded and gay, why not fool with the gays and retarded, as they are fun. It's people like you who take themselves so seriously here that makes it fun to harass gays like you.

Sure you may have a "great" factual debate, but it's still retarded.

Johnny, you're trolling and flaming. This is a pattern for you.
1 week ban.

Why haven't they done so yet? That's why I finally gave up on the Republican Party. Even the Log Cabins don't do much more than pay lip service to the Radical (read Christian) Right.

Even? Do you mean especially? If anything, the Log Cabin Republicans would be as great an enemy of the Evangelicals as your typical Democrat, given the Evangelical's obsession with banning gay sex. Or am I reading you correctly? :confused:

is johnny a porn star?

Yeah, especially since the Supreme Court has 5 conservatives on it.

Some people have no cluse as to what the court system is actually supposed to do. What they call 'legislating from the bench' is known as 'interpreting the law'. Something they are supposed to do. All the legislative branch does is write the law.

Of course, they applaud judges who *do* legislate from the bench by making laws that have already been passed completely useless. In fact, that type of judge is exactly who they want on the bench (and is thankfully being blocked).

The standard established by Andrew "Indian Removal" Jackson continues to this day! More proof that politicians, on both sides, feel that they can ignore the rulings that justices give...

The standard established by Andrew "Indian Removal" Jackson continues to this day! More proof that politicians, on both sides, feel that they can ignore the rulings that justices give...
At least Jackson didn't threaten to kill the judges who ruled against him...

No, I mean a real patriot. He was showing just how commie our government was at the time. I'm glad he did. If it were up to me, I'd have executed those commies, starting with Alger Hiss.
McCarthy was right that there was a communist conspiracy in the US government. But it was not as big and powerful as he imagined. McCarthy was also an enemy of free speech, freedom of political thought and he ruined many innocent people's lives.

Sorry but the founding fathers did not want us to hand over our government to the minorities, and commies. I am not a communist, as I just love money way too much.

Joe was not an enemy of free speech. Those commies were enemies of the state. Hell they already stole our A-bomb recipes, should we have given them NYC as well?
You still haven't proven that McCarthy wasn't an enemy of free speech. Just because the commies were bad, doesn't mean he was good.

Jonny Wadd, you are a communist.

Wadd sounds slightly foreign
You'll love this: Wadd is short for Waddinsky.

Well, Jackson didn't threaten to kill Marshall. That is pretty much all the good you can say of him in that particular example. He did say that he wanted to kill the national bank, though...

I'm glad to see that Tom Delay & friends are digging their own graves.

I wish people wouldn't quote Wadd. I have him on my ignore list for a reason. He's the only person on it, even JesusSaves/D.Commie had more to say.

I wish people wouldn't quote Wadd. I have him on my ignore list for a reason. He's the only person on it, even JesusSaves/D.Commie had more to say.

Like I said, he's so horrible you can't look away. Plus, people that dim provide great entertainment.

I think Iosif Vissarionovich ('Stalin') is either rolling in his coffin or laughing whatever is left of his intestines out. Isn't he in a tomb somewhere?

*Searches Wikipedia*

His body was preserved in Lenin's Mausoleum until October 31, 1961, when de-Stalinisation was taking place in the Soviet Union. Stalin's body was then buried by the Kremlin walls.

While these people are idiots who are on the verge of treason, it's fair to note that in Lawrence v. Texas, the Court did site international law as part of the decision-making process for their ruling.

O'Connor had it right on that case. Dumb judges.

I respond only to correct a common misperception.

In Lawrence v. Texas (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/02-102.html ), 539 US 558 (2003), the majority opinion did reference the laws of other countries in holding that Texas's sodomy law was unconstitutional. The reason, however, was to rebut the references to foreign law in the majority opinion in Bowers v. Hardwick (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/478/186.html ), 478 U. S. 186 (1986). Justices White in the majority opinion and Chief Justice Burger in a concurring opinion in Bowers had pointed to laws "throughout the history of Western Civilization" in upholding laws against sodomy. In overturning Bowers, of course the Court responded to the reasoning of that prior decision. So, to criticize Justice Kennedy or Lawrence for referring to foreign law is both silly and hypocritical.

Phyllis Schlafly, doyenne of American conservatism, said Kennedy's opinion forbidding capital punishment for juveniles "is a good ground of impeachment."

There must be more to this right?

RIGHT?