NationStates Jolt Archive

Like the title says, I and many other liberals I know are tired of republicans, and social conservatives using the word "liberal" as the political equivalent of the "N word" in their insane ramblings.

I am no longer going to allow the word "liberal" to be used to insult me anymore. Liberalism is GOOD, it brought and end to the great depression, it brought about labor unions so that corporate ass-wipes no longer had a strangle hold on their workers, and it also brought about civil rights (a dark day for conservativism, I know). And, those are just a few things worthy of note among many.

Princeton University describes "Liberals" as: People who favor a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

Also: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "generous and broad sympathies"

So, give it a rest. From now on the word "liberal" shall be one of the highest compliments I can recieve. The word is ours again, you can't have it to slap us in the face with anymore. Though I'm sure many of you will try anyway.

:p

Screw that, I say Classic Liberals reclaim the term so you modern liberals would stop screwing up the word.

Screw that, I say Classic Liberals reclaim the term so you modern liberals would stop screwing up the word.
:D
I would create a topic "Taking back the word "Liberal" from those who took it back", but I know either I'd get in trouble for copycatting or it would set off a deluge of copycat "Taking back...." threads.

Screw that, I say Classic Liberals reclaim the term so you modern liberals would stop screwing up the word.

Let the sad assumtions begin!

I'm sure you know the old saying about ASSuming things

Have you ever stopped to ask me what my views really are? Until then you do nothing but provide me with humorously witless quotes to tell my friends about.

Let the sad assumtions begin!

I'm sure you know the old saying about ASSuming things

Have you ever stopped to ask me what my views really are? Until then you do nothing but provide me with humorously witless quotes to tell my friends about.

In your post you highlighted what you thought were the highpoints of the liberal movement, as well as posted a definition of the world liberal. I could only ASSume that you held the beliefs that you praised in your post.

I make an ass out of my self all the time, but I apologize if I made an ass out of you, too.

I am no longer going to allow the word "liberal" to be used to insult me anymore.

I never have, and I find that those that seem the need to call names to illustrate a point on any topic such as calling a person a liberal and expecting them to take it as an insult probably aren't really worth listening to anyway because chances are they don't really have anything to say.
And something I've found to be somewhat effective if yo feel the need to respond it "Conservative," and see how they take it, proudly like a true liberal would take their name or disgracingly like no doubt it was meant. I don't support belief bashing in this fashion but it's if you really feel the need to reply.

Princeton University describes "Liberals" as: People who favor a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

Also: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "generous and broad sympathies"


I think they mean progressives. Still, Princeton never was a very good school.

I share your sentiments. But I don't let it get to me.

Ultra-Conservative: You damn liberal!
Me: Thank you.

Yeah classical liberals John Stuart Mill style.


Take the power back, wee un wee un nee (rage against the machine)

Still, Princeton never was a very good school.

Tell me you're being sarcastic, because if you aren't, then you're being delusional.

Tell me you're being sarcastic, because if you aren't, then you're being delusional.

Yeah, "never was" is probably stretching it. I'm sure Princeton was a great school, before the majority of the Ivy Leagues started inflating the hell out of their grades.

Screw that, I say Classic Liberals reclaim the term so you modern liberals would stop screwing up the word.

Forward to the 1800s!

Onward and Backward!

Let the sad assumtions begin!

I'm sure you know the old saying about ASSuming things

Have you ever stopped to ask me what my views really are? Until then you do nothing but provide me with humorously witless quotes to tell my friends about.
Given what you spouted about the Great Depression, I'm going to assume you're not a classic liberal. Also, the republicans were one hell of a lot more concerned with civil rights until about the time Carter came into the presidency at which point the dems went nutso and completely flipped beyond the republicans, causing the republicans to absorb the christian right and ultimately screwing with the party's ideals.

Yay! Lets take our word back! Liberal isn't an insult, its a compliment.

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It is quite funny, how the two are now, the exact opposite of what they originated as, oh well, it's the present, live in it, not the past. BTW, some of us liberals take the term democrat as an insult.

Okay. Liberals are the reason why the world is the way it is. Conservatives, is what liberals beat to make the world the way it is. It has been that way, and it always will.

Conservatives, you, have yet to realize what your doing. The FCC infringes on the first ammendment, but you think other wise. You can fight your fools errand, and see your money pour down the train, and don't care. While us liberals see the truth in things. You think inside the box (hence conservativs), so you stick with your way of life.

Liberals, think outside the box. We come up with new ideas that may better serve the population. You conservatives, are narrow minded.

Given what you spouted about the Great Depression, I'm going to assume you're not a classic liberal. Also, the republicans were one hell of a lot more concerned with civil rights until about the time Carter came into the presidency at which point the dems went nutso and completely flipped beyond the republicans, causing the republicans to absorb the christian right and ultimately screwing with the party's ideals.

Who said anything about Republicans and Democrats?

Here I thought that we were discussing liberal v. conservative. The Republicans of the past had a tendency to be much more liberal than now on many issues. Conversely, the Dixiecrats were incredibly socially conservative.

Screw that, I say Classic Liberals reclaim the term so you modern liberals would stop screwing up the word.
I agree, Classical Liberals whould should reclaim the word. If the said poster is one, then carry on.
To the American liberals, you partially did it to yourselves.

I agree, Classical Liberals whould should reclaim the word. If the said poster is one, then carry on.
To the American liberals, you partially did it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and who might I ask started the war with Iraq.

I don't worry about who they use it.

When you hear people use it as if it is a dirty word; think of it as a message that they are rather simple minded. ;)

i always loved the "insult" bleeding-heat liberal as a matter of fact. It shows exactly how much we truely do care about people, and conservatives using it as an insult shows just how little they care.

Okay. Liberals are the reason why the world is the way it is. Conservatives, is what liberals beat to make the world the way it is. It has been that way, and it always will.

Please, I beg of you, don't give the world's condition as a credit to the liberals, I would rather let the conservatives keep it. Now maybe in a few years, that may change, but right now, the continuing reactions to homosexuals, people seeking abortions, people of other religions and beliefs, doctors believing in helping their patients end their lives if they so wish, and not to mention massive humans rights violations and wars.

Uh huh, and who might I ask started the war with Iraq.
.....god damn it. That wasn't what I meant by it. Don't push the war into this.

think outside the box.

In my career that phrase is a warning that something bad and or stupid is about to be presented.

It wasn't one group that changed the world.

It wasn't one group that changed the world.

Of course not, but there are those who think that it *shouldn't* change and/or should go back to the "good old days" (which actually weren't all that good, if you look at them).

Please, I beg of you, don't give the world's condition as a credit to the liberals, I would rather let the conservatives keep it. Now maybe in a few years, that may change, but right now, the continuing reactions to homosexuals, people seeking abortions, people of other religions and beliefs, doctors believing in helping their patients end their lives if they so wish, and not to mention massive humans rights violations and wars.

Okay. If the world was run mostly to the credit of conservatives.
-No Locke
-No Democracy
-No republic
-lack of civil wars to overthrow government

etc.

Of course not, but there are those who think that it *shouldn't* change and/or should go back to the "good old days" (which actually weren't all that good, if you look at them).
I know, but its arrogant to say "liberals" did it or"conservatives did it".
"" to show subjectivity

I know, but its arrogant to say "liberals" did it or"conservatives did it".
"" to show subjectivity

To be sure. Those with a liberal viewpoint try to make changes, while those with a conservative viewpoint keep the balance by keeping us from dipping into complete subjectivism. Of course, the fact that I am overall moderate might be the reason I think this =)

Given what you spouted about the Great Depression, I'm going to assume you're not a classic liberal. Also, the republicans were one hell of a lot more concerned with civil rights until about the time Carter came into the presidency at which point the dems went nutso and completely flipped beyond the republicans, causing the republicans to absorb the christian right and ultimately screwing with the party's ideals.

Not exactly. The civil rights movement was fairly heavily sectionalized, with the few Northern Democrats and the more liberal Southern Dems like LBJ (who was from Texas, if you'll recall) uniting with much of the Republican Party against staunch Dixiecrats. However, the shift in the Republican political base didn't occur because the "dems went nutso" so much as because it was a concerted effort on the part of the Republican party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to convert the Solid South (the Democratic bastion since the Civil War) to Republicanism. To do this, they used code phrases like "states rights" to mean "the feds never should have told you to stop oppressin' the darkies". Reagan in particular was a master of this, linking liberal Great Society programs with the most thinly-veiled racial slurs. Remember that most of today's most conservative wings of the Republican party hail from those days, with people like Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, etc. all originally hailed from the Dixiecrat wing of the Democratic Party.

Like the title says, I and many other liberals I know are tired of republicans, and social conservatives using the word "liberal" as the political equivalent of the "N word" in their insane ramblings.It's just a political tactic. Get over it.

Liberalism is GOOD,No philosophy alone is good. It must be guided by good people. Only then does it have moral standing.it brought and end to the great depression,World War II did that. Keynesian economics. Kinda.it brought about labor unions so that corporate ass-wipes no longer had a strangle hold on their workers,To be precise, that was the progressive movement, which was considered radical at the time that labor unions were introduced. The liberals of the United States were just as opposed to labor unions as the conservatives; but Wilson needed the Progressives in order to win popular support, so he bowed down to some of their wishes. One of those being labor unions.and it also brought about civil rights (a dark day for conservativism, I know). Really? Because I don't think the so-called liberals in government were the ones who started the civil rights movement. I think it was the people actually suffering under the yoke of legalized oppression who took action and forced the government to take action. While liberals in the government may have been sympathetic to the cause, they certainly didn't do jack about it until the blacks were marching by the millions on Washington.

So there's that.

Okay. If the world was run mostly to the credit of conservatives.
-No Locke
-No Democracy
-No republic
-lack of civil wars to overthrow government

etc.

I said don't give us credit now, I said maybe in a few years plus:
I'm sorry I'm not familiar with Locke

Democracy I bet would have come out anyway in time, of course it wouldn't be quite what it is in the couple countries that it actually works in, or actually, it almost worked in Chile, but of course that couldn't happen, a grand credit to the conservatives.

No republic- No comment

The lack of civil wars is in place today, if you didn't notice apparently the conservatives need to start those, of course they're not to put in democracies, but it's overthrowal of the government, plus a number of governmental overthrows were conservatively sponsored like my previous statement about Chile.

Sorry for coming and messing as a swed and european. But for me liberal is also getting more and more a dirty world even as a soicaldemocrat/ demorcatic socialist, conservative is the truely dirty world. Because liberalism in europe it's getting more old school or neoliberalism and want to give more and more power to the market and freedom to companies. This is also a big part of the EU that have much that kind of neoliberalagenda.

Even in the sweden the liberal party is getting more rightwing and populistic. So here the big problem with liberalism is that it getting more neoliberalistic and closer to conservatism. Also in a worldperspective conservatism and neoliberalism have a lot in common both wants to trust the market and private companies to fix all the big problem the world. And even in the USA, I don't think the liberalist is getting more leftist, there it is just the conservatives is getting stronger and getting there agenda to become more mainstream.

So for me it's sad that liberalism is getting more neoliberalistic, because even if socialliberalism is to right for me they have atleast some sens.