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So, has anybody read the book? What do you think of it?

Made a damn good fire in my fireplace, I'll tell ya that!


(Seriously though, never read it.)

If it's the same bunch of similarly titled moronic drivel written by Dr. J. Satinover I read a while back, it is...

a) a waste of paper.
and
b) a case study of projection.

No, I haven't read the book. Who is it by? I hope it is in humour, rather than some lengthy rant... What I don't get is what's wrong with Liberalism? I mean who would be against such liberal or free ideas as freedom of religion, freedom of speech and democracy?

I love his 'Oil for Illegals' program. If an illegal immigrant wants to come into the United States then they have to bring one barrel of oil with them to donate to us. Although all I know is the previews. I don't think it has been released yet. Has it? If it has I'm going to order it.

Edit: The book was written by Michael Savage. Yes, the name is tongue in cheek and, being who he is, the book is as entertaining as it is serious.

It's a real book? I thought it was Sino's photo-shopping.

(I'm surprised it didn't get banned by them.)

If I'm sane then God help you all.

If Liberalism is a mental disorder, conservatism is a persistent vegetative state. :D

And libertarianism is what happens when you cut a chicken's head off. ;)

No, I haven't read the book. Who is it by? I hope it is in humour, rather than some lengthy rant... What I don't get is what's wrong with Liberalism? I mean who would be against such liberal or free ideas as freedom of religion, freedom of speech and democracy?

actually liberalism by todays standards usually means stronger goverment, less individual rights, that sort of thing. Liberals get the govetment involved in everything, medical, roads, even buisness, I have to say at the rate we're going it's a wonder the churches arent connected too. I mean i hate to compliment the French but at least thier goverment falls apart so much they can't interfere with anything.

And libertarianism is what happens when you cut a chicken's head off. ;)


whats the problem???

The chicken still runs around. There was a headless chicken kept alive for hundreds of days(missed the brain stem)

as a side note, he almost quadrupled his size after he lost his head.. If this were applied to the govt(head) and our economy(body)..well, it makes you wonder

http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.html

whats the problem???

The chicken still runs around. There was a headless chicken kept alive for hundreds of day(missed the brain stem)

http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.html

:D

Actually, chickens really do that.

And I personally had a chicken frozen solid -- I mean you could have pounded nails with it -- that I thawed over several hours and it was fine! Pretty freaky. Apparently there are some advantages to very small brains.

EDIT: I can't believe I told the frozen chicken story. And I didn't even really tell it well.

actually liberalism by todays standards usually means stronger goverment, less individual rights, that sort of thing. Liberals get the govetment involved in everything, medical, roads, even buisness, I have to say at the rate we're going it's a wonder the churches arent connected too. I mean i hate to compliment the French but at least thier goverment falls apart so much they can't interfere with anything.

Just a note on the French government...

It does interfere with everything. Socialist? Not-so-socialist? It doesn't matter because these days France is a massive welfare state o' doom whatever government you're under!

:D

Actually, chickens really do that.

And I personally had a chicken frozen solid -- I mean you could have pounded nails with it -- that I thawed over several hours and it was fine! Pretty freaky. Apparently there are some advantages to very small brains.


Thats freaky.


and as far as small brains goes, maybe you could say instead that it is advantageous to not micromanage. The chicken isnt too worried, so why should the fed govt be...assuming the fed govt is the head and the chicken is composed of the various states(body)

or

you can refuse to play along.. after all, it is only a chicken.. And its kinda funny when they flop along without a head until they fall down


Edit..

I am not sure I want to know (given that you are from San diego)

But what exactly are you doing with frozen then thawed chickens?

actually liberalism by todays standards usually means stronger goverment, less individual rights, that sort of thing. Liberals get the govetment involved in everything, medical, roads, even buisness, I have to say at the rate we're going it's a wonder the churches arent connected too. I mean i hate to compliment the French but at least thier goverment falls apart so much they can't interfere with anything.

In your country perhaps, but here liberalism still has the heavy emphasis on the individual rigths and small government.

Liberty is freedom and a liberal society is a free society.

In your country perhaps, but here liberalism still has the heavy emphasis on the individual rigths and small government.

Liberty is freedom and a liberal society is a free society.

I assume you mean liberal in the classic sense. Let's not forget that the conservative stance in the US has many influences of classic liberalism. The two are not opposites.

I'm not saying that's what you're saying. I'm just saying it for the record.

I assume you mean liberal in the classic sense.

You assume correctly. :)

If Liberalism is a mental disorder, conservatism is a persistent vegetative state. :D

And libertarianism is what happens when you cut a chicken's head off. ;)
ROFL

You assume correctly. :)

Edited my post. I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

actually liberalism by todays standards usually means stronger goverment, less individual rights, that sort of thing. Liberals get the govetment involved in everything, medical, roads, even buisness, I have to say at the rate we're going it's a wonder the churches arent connected too. I mean i hate to compliment the French but at least thier goverment falls apart so much they can't interfere with anything.
Liberals, and I say this in the most general way, are for freedom on social issues, and control on economic issues. Of course, there are the few exceptions, like on gun control, for example. But usually it goes that way. We leave churches out of it because the coming together of church and state would infrindge on induvidual rights, such as gay marriage.

Fun Fact!:
"Savage" isn't actually the real last name of Michael Savage, it's actually his middle name. His real last name is "Weiner".

"Michael Weiner" doesn't exactly have the same ring to it, does it? What about his radio show, "Savage Nation"? Shouldn't it actually be called "Weiner Nation"? :D

This has been a public service announcement by Resi. Good day to you all. ;)

Edited my post. I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

I assume you mean liberal in the classic sense. Let's not forget that the conservative stance in the US has many influences of classic liberalism. The two are not opposites.

I'm not saying that's what you're saying. I'm just saying it for the record.

Very true! Here (Australia) our conservative party is called the Liberal party, and they follow many (but far from all) classical liberal principles. Classical liberal principles are adhered to by the Labour party as well, no one wants more government than is necessary.

Very true! Here (Australia) our conservative party is called the Liberal party, and they follow many (but far from all) classical liberal principles. Classical liberal principles are adhered to by the Labour party as well, no one wants more government than is necessary.
then again, the Labor (yes, you spelt the party name wrong) is almost going down the road of the Liberals. then again, at least Labor didnt use a 'terror' campain (shall we now watch the intrest rates rise?)

Fun Fact!:
"Savage" isn't actually the real last name of Michael Savage, it's actually his middle name. His real last name is "Weiner".

"Michael Weiner" doesn't exactly have the same ring to it, does it? What about his radio show, "Savage Nation"? Shouldn't it actually be called "Weiner Nation"? :D

This has been a public service announcement by Resi. Good day to you all. ;)

I didn't believe this was true until I looked it up:
http://www.answers.com/topic/michael-savage-commentator

What's even funnier is that it's pronounced like "Whiner".

I had his book "the savage idiot" or whatever it was called (i got it for 66c plus tax (my 33% discount on the 1$ we charged for it) at the bookstore where I work.

We soaked it in water then let it dry then set it up against a bush in the desert and shot it with my rifle.

Then we set it on fire and urinated on it to extinguish the fire.

then again, the Labor (yes, you spelt the party name wrong) is almost going down the road of the Liberals. then again, at least Labor didnt use a 'terror' campain (shall we now watch the intrest rates rise?)

Firstly I know that the ALP spell it 'Labor,' and I know that because it is a noun I should spell it how they do, but I will always spell it labour because the American spelling simply does not appeal to me.

Secondly, you are totaly right about the Labour party capitulating, in almost all respects to the Liberal government. However this does not mean that they are necessaryly spineless. Some (not all) of the compromises they have made in recent times have been done (IMHO) for the percieved good of the nation. Not that the ALP is going to have much power now that the Liberals have control over both houses.

Thirdly, with respects to interest rates I have to agree, Prime Miniture John Howard is a liar, and not just when it comes to interest rates rising either, or is that the sound of a mother throwing her children overboard?

Personally I think that the ALP would be in a much better position if it had retained Simon Crean as leader. Well, third time might be a charm for Beazley...

Look, liberals try to make everyone the same-by government laws. That my friend is communism.

The moment I had to call a stewardess a bleeding flight attendant(which I refuse to do-and male"flight attendants" I call sky muffins), the moment we allow drug addicts like Rodney King walk away because his "rights" were infringed upon, we lost what made us Americans. If liberals have their way, there would be no difference between anyone, no matter how many changes you have to make so they can be the same.

Look, liberals try to make everyone the same-by government laws. That my friend is communism.

The moment I had to call a stewardess a bleeding flight attendant(which I refuse to do-and male"flight attendants" I call sky muffins), the moment we allow drug addicts like Rodney King walk away because his "rights" were infringed upon, we lost what made us Americans. If liberals have their way, there would be no difference between anyone, no matter how many changes you have to make so they can be the same.

Equal rights and liberty for all?

This "Savage" fellow is a real winner! From answer.com alone:

"Oh, you're one of the sodomites! You should only get AIDS and die, you pig! How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Okay, got another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bath house and is angry at me today?" Bauder, David. "MSNBC fires Savage on anti-gay remarks." Associated Press: July 7, 2003."I'm beginning to think that women should be denied the vote. Their hormones rage; they are too emotional." San Jose Mercury News, November 6, 1998."With the [Latino] population that has emerged, since they breed like rabbits, in many cases the whites will become a minority in their own nation... The white people don't breed as often for whatever reason. I guess many homosexuals are involved. That is also part of the grand plan, to push homosexuality to cut down on the white race" San Francisco Bay Guardian, September 9, 2000."We need racist stereotypes right now of our enemy in order to encourage our warriors to kill the enemy." San Francisco Chronicle, February 6, 2003."Gays bore the hell out of me. They're the least important members of our society." - in his radio broadcast, September, 2000.* "...these big-mouthed, phony scum of the ACLU, who should be rounded up, arrested for sedition. Their property seized, and they should be put into Abu Ghraib prison as far as I'm concerned. That wouldn't be enough of what I'd like to see done to the ACLU. They're the worst vermin America has ever tolerated. The worst vermin in the history of America are the vermin in the ACLU." - June 19, 2004* "Many of the countries and the areas in these countries that were hit by these tidal waves were hotbeds of radical Islam. Why should we be helping them destroy us? ... I truthfully don't believe in foreign aid. ... We shouldn't be spending a nickel on this, as far as I'm concerned. ... I don't want one nickel of my money going over there. ... I am sick of being bled to death by every damn incident on the earth." - December 31, 2004

And the man has his own radio show. He's paid to say these things.

Christ on a cracker...

Equal rights and liberty for all?
Equal rights is a concept,that is tainted by liberals. For example, look at all the schools which are going psycho with this "equal rights" crap during cristmas. There were several schools that banned christmas plays or winter orientated events all together so the non christians wont be offened. That was seen as being progressive. And I am half black myself, but affirmative action? What a load of crap! You GOTTA hire this many minorities?! Sure, equal unless you are the bussiness.

This "Savage" fellow is a real winner! From answer.com alone:



And the man has his own radio show. He's paid to say these things.

Christ on a cracker...


He gets paid because people like me agree with most of what he says.

He gets paid because people like me agree with most of what he says.
So you believe...

All Gays should get AIDS and die
Women shouldn't vote
All Islamic people are evil
Mexicans are subhuman
We should deny foreign aid to nations hit by disasters

...right?

Ten to one you're flamebaiting.

Equal rights is a concept,that is tainted by liberals. For example, look at all the schools which are going psycho with this "equal rights" crap during cristmas. There were several schools that banned christmas plays or winter orientated events all together so the non christians wont be offened. That was seen as being progressive. And I am half black myself, but affirmative action? What a load of crap! You GOTTA hire this many minorities?! Sure, equal unless you are the bussiness.

Actually, it IS reasonable to remove religious-oriented stuff from schools.

It's not like winter lacks its own charm and meaning outside of distorted Pagan rituals.

Look, liberals try to make everyone the same-by government laws. That my friend is communism.

The moment I had to call a stewardess a bleeding flight attendant(which I refuse to do-and male"flight attendants" I call sky muffins), the moment we allow drug addicts like Rodney King walk away because his "rights" were infringed upon, we lost what made us Americans. If liberals have their way, there would be no difference between anyone, no matter how many changes you have to make so they can be the same.


Equal rights is a concept,that is tainted by liberals. For example, look at all the schools which are going psycho with this "equal rights" crap during cristmas. There were several schools that banned christmas plays or winter orientated events all together so the non christians wont be offened. That was seen as being progressive. And I am half black myself, but affirmative action? What a load of crap! You GOTTA hire this many minorities?! Sure, equal unless you are the bussiness.

My, what a repulsive little troll. I hope it doesn't reappear or we'll need to fumigate. ;)

EDIT: Doh! I didn't mean to bump this thread! :headbang:

This "Savage" fellow is a real winner! From answer.com alone:



And the man has his own radio show. He's paid to say these things.

Christ on a cracker...

What you quotes really sound like Hitler's nazi propaganda. Comming from some one considered as a journalist, this is getting scary

Speaking of nazis, how come people aren't talking about whether nazism is a mental disorder? Or terrorism? No, just liberalism - the pursuit of freedom? Yeah, national socialism through genocide is rational, but freedom is fucking insane.

Sounds to me like a book written by someone who isn't, in fact, very knowledgable about mental disorders. Am I correct?

Speaking of nazis, how come people aren't talking about whether nazism is a mental disorder? Or terrorism? No, just liberalism - the pursuit of freedom? Yeah, national socialism through genocide is rational, but freedom is fucking insane.

Sounds to me like a book written by someone who isn't, in fact, very knowledgable about mental disorders. Am I correct?
Read Trammwerk's post of quotes a page back. Personally, I don't think Michael "Savage" Weiner knows much of anything.

Liberals get the govetment involved in everything, medical, roads, even buisness
Oooh, the roads! That's radical socialism!

Communism is extremely left.
Facism is extremely right.

Edit: The book was written by Michael Savage. Yes, the name is tongue in cheek and, being who he is, the book is as entertaining as it is serious.

Isn't he the person who had some sort of show on TV where people could phone in and he got himself cancelled when he told one of the callers he was a "pig fucker" and should "get AIDS and die" or something similar? I think I read it in a blog some years ago.

If it is, I'll know to skip the book. Too bad his name is so similar to Dan Savage's, who most definitely is not a nut job.

No, I haven't read the book. Who is it by? I hope it is in humour, rather than some lengthy rant... What I don't get is what's wrong with Liberalism? I mean who would be against such liberal or free ideas as freedom of religion, freedom of speech and democracy?

i am. what i don't get is why people'd want them other than being greedy mostly. except for the democracy. i do agree with the socialist's control of government though.

:D

Actually, chickens really do that.

And I personally had a chicken frozen solid -- I mean you could have pounded nails with it -- that I thawed over several hours and it was fine! Pretty freaky. Apparently there are some advantages to very small brains.

EDIT: I can't believe I told the frozen chicken story. And I didn't even really tell it well.


So then I guess that means that if you froze a conservative and then defrosted him/her, he/she would still be alive. darn :mad:

I've never read the book but the title sounds pretty accurate - at least of the 'feel-good' liberalism that's usurped the 'free-thinking liberalism'

I.....I don't know where to begin..who can despise freedom so much?

So you believe...

All Gays should get AIDS and die
Women shouldn't vote
All Islamic people are evil
Mexicans are subhuman
We should deny foreign aid to nations hit by disasters

...right?

Ten to one you're flamebaiting.
Guys, guys, you're taking him out of context.
1. It was a personal attack against a crank caller. Savage thought he was off air, so he insulted a guy back after the guy insulted him.
2. With a radio show, many random commentaries come from him, being the nature of how radio is "stream of consciousness." But, he has taken it back. After all, didn't he say he wanted Condi as president in '08?
3. He's specifically stated many times that he's referring to Radical, fundamentalist Islam.
4. He's never said that! He simply complains about illegal immigrants who drain the nation's welfare systems.
5. Well, his view is that 1. Why should it be our responsibility to help whenever somebody has a problem? 2. He's worried about the money going to fund Islamic terrorism, as it rarely gets to the people in these cases.

No, just liberalism - the pursuit of freedom? Yeah, national socialism through genocide is rational, but freedom is fucking insane.

Bull-fucking-shit. The left in the US is concerned with freedom only when it aligns with their agenda. Disagree, and they get just as nasty as anyone on the right.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001417.htm

http://myshortpencil.typepad.com/myshortpencil/2005/01/student_suing_s.html

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15221&only=yes

So, has anybody read the book? What do you think of it?

First off, unless this is a humor book, anyone who attempts to consider "liberalism" or "conservatism" as a single philosophy is unworthy of his credentials. Then to call either a mental disorder, you're just being a drivelling idiot. I'm surprised Ann Coulter didn't write it.

1. It was a personal attack against a crank caller. Savage thought he was off air, so he insulted a guy back after the guy insulted him.1. So? The fact that he thought it was off-air means nothing, he still said it and ment it.
2. With a radio show, many random commentaries come from him, being the nature of how radio is "stream of consciousness." But, he has taken it back. After all, didn't he say he wanted Condi as president in '08?2. "Stream of consciousness" means that he thought it and ment it. He appologised for saying it, not for meaning it.
3. He's specifically stated many times that he's referring to Radical, fundamentalist Islam.3. But that's not how he says it. ;)
4. He's never said that! He simply complains about illegal immigrants who drain the nation's welfare systems.4. And he lumps all Mexicans together in the same category in the process.
5. Well, his view is that 1. Why should it be our responsibility to help whenever somebody has a problem? 2. He's worried about the money going to fund Islamic terrorism, as it rarely gets to the people in these cases.5.1 Because we have the money to save lives, and they don't
5.2 How could humanitarian aid possibly go to terrorists? Weiner ties the two by siting the number of Muslims in the area, further creating an immaginary tie between all Islam and terrorism.

I stand by my flamebaiting remark.

Sounds to me like a book written by someone who isn't, in fact, very knowledgable about mental disorders. Am I correct?
Trust him, he's a doctor.

Trust him, he's a doctor.
And I'm a reverend. Actually, I am. (http://www.ulc.org)

Titles don't make people knowledgable. Look at how many stupid kings and emperors we've had throughout history.

:D

Actually, chickens really do that.

And I personally had a chicken frozen solid -- I mean you could have pounded nails with it -- that I thawed over several hours and it was fine! Pretty freaky. Apparently there are some advantages to very small brains.

EDIT: I can't believe I told the frozen chicken story. And I didn't even really tell it well.

So if we froze the entire population that are mind numb robots to the Democrat party they would still have a wacko fringed base? Sounds about right to me

And I'm a reverend. Actually, I am. (http://www.ulc.org)

Titles don't make people knowledgable. Look at how many stupid kings and emperors we've had throughout history.

Sorry that post was written from a British point of view.

"Trust me, I'm a doctor" doesn't seem to inspire trust in us.