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what do you think the wiccan religion is?

A new religion claiming to be an old one.

Wiccans are the ones that sell flowers at the airport, right?

groups of slightly wierd people standing in circles dancing naked and waving tree branches while they pray to mother earth and father air. The followersof this faith generally speak slowly and with a reserved air. When not naked they prefer white robes of some sort or figleaves.
No glasses are worn at anytime.
They like to use various spices and herbs while cooking.

*yawn*

...or you could try looking it up yourself...

...rather than listen to a load o' crap...

*yawn*

...or you could try looking it up yourself...

...rather than listen to a load o' crap...

Why look things up when you can have fun dreaming them up by yourself?

*yawn*

...or you could try looking it up yourself...

...rather than listen to a load o' crap...
i already know but there was a lively banter going between the knowledgable and those convinced it was evil... then the thread was locked

Wicca. It's religion.

That's pretty much enough for anyone to figure out what it's like.

all i know is what i learned off Buffy... so its witchcraft, right ;)

groups of slightly wierd people standing in circles dancing naked and waving tree branches while they pray to mother earth and father air. The followersof this faith generally speak slowly and with a reserved air. When not naked they prefer white robes of some sort or figleaves.

Have you ever had a Yule log at christmas? It's a Pagan ritual.

Ever celebrated halloween? pagan, when the dead are closest to us (not in witchcraft terms but being close to loved ones)

Easter?

Before you spout off loads of crap, read a little. try here
http://www.ecauldron.com/holidays.php or here http://www.overopinionated.com/holidayorigins.htm

Have you ever had a Yule log at christmas? It's a Pagan ritual.

Ever celebrated halloween? pagan, when the dead are closest to us (not in witchcraft terms but being close to loved ones)

Easter?

Before you spout off loads of crap, read a little. try here
http://www.ecauldron.com/holidays.php or here http://www.overopinionated.com/holidayorigins.htm

umm, somebody took me seriously. . .
yeah, I know about the yule log and halloween.
smile Femimist Cat Woman, its gonna be alright in the end.

So ... Wiccans are the ones who sell flowers at the airport!

Okie dokie ... I thought so. Now stop being attention whores ... Wicca is the *only* religion protected by ruling of the Supreme Court. Clearly the US accepts you ... stop trying to play victim and focus on getting closer to the divine.

It's like the kid who says, "Look what I can do!" ... eventually you just get sick of it and send them off to bed.

Wicca. It's religion.

That's pretty much enough for anyone to figure out what it's like

NO! it's paganism, the "religion" western europe had until we were concored(sp).

Paginism is a worship of nature. If you choose to burn a yule log at christmas, thats your choice but modern values have distorted pagainism into witchcraft, much like the Quakers, David Koresh and the Moonies have distorted christianity.

Get a life. Better yet, read a little more, it's the key to knowledge.

So ... Wiccans are the ones who sell flowers at the airport!

Okie dokie ... I thought so. Now stop being attention whores ... Wicca is the *only* religion protected by ruling of the Supreme Court. Clearly the US accepts you ... stop trying to play victim and focus on getting closer to the divine.

It's like the kid who says, "Look what I can do!" ... eventually you just get sick of it and send them off to bed.

Tell it to the Wiccans who lose their jobs and WORSE because word gets out in their community they're not cookie-cutter Christians.

Tell it to the Wiccans who lose their jobs and WORSE because word gets out in their community they're not cookie-cutter Christians.

IF that happens, they sue and win. Wiccans are not oppressed in the US in any way shape or form.

IF that happens, they sue and win. Wiccans are not oppressed in the US in any way shape or form.

It's not oppressive to be fired for your minority beliefs? It's not oppressive to have to litigate in order to guarantee your rights?

You have an odd notion of oppression.

what do you think the wiccan religion is?
It's not really a religion. More of a culture. Religions have to share some kind of common history, culture, or beliefs. Wiccans believe in the Wiccan Rede, which has many variations, and is nothing more than something that SOUNDS like it was written by a witch.

In many ways, Wiccans tend to be retarded, in that they hate being "persecuted" for being witches, but fit themselves right into that nice, neat box, by dressing like goths, listening to music with angst, and saying, "Merry Meet" or "Blessed Be."

This is usually the teenagers, though. Since your name is "Nonconformitism", I'm 99% certain you are one of these teenage wannabe goth\nerd Wiccans. Here's a tip: Wicca offers nothing, in and of itself. It teaches you rituals, but Wicca is really just a bunch of people that practice various religious rituals and call it "magick." They lump all past Pagan practices in with themselves, to make it seem more great. This is of the individual Wiccan seems like a rather recent thing as well, probably designed to sell more of Silver Ravenwolf's books.

On one hand, rituals are useful, both physically and mentally, but there's a great deal of "Wiccans" that are just as nutty as Christians. They believe in faeries, goblins, etc. This is mostly because they are leftover hippies from the 60's and 70's, whose fried brains are still trapped there, due to the massive amounts acid and mushrooms they took. Either that, or they're depressed middleclass women who just don't have a life.

So ... Wiccans are the ones who sell flowers at the airport!

Okie dokie ... I thought so. Now stop being attention whores ... Wicca is the *only* religion protected by ruling of the Supreme Court. Clearly the US accepts you ... stop trying to play victim and focus on getting closer to the divine.

It's like the kid who says, "Look what I can do!" ... eventually you just get sick of it and send them off to bed.
woa, just did it cause there are some really ignorant people out there

NO! it's paganism, the "religion" western europe had until we were concored(sp). .

But only the pretty parts, right? Also the syncretism!

I mean ... you don't eat the hearts of the fallen warriors, do you? You don't carve runes out of the skull bones of stillborn babies, do you? You'll perform a rite that combines a Northwestern American Indian tribal custom with a Southern Gaelic purification rituals while praying in a Northern Celtic language, right?

No ... it is not the religion of Western Europe. It's not even close to the old religion(s) of Western Europe. It's a combination of a great many and varied practices from cultures all over the world. Some that don't have any place being in the same ritual and, thus, make a mockery of certain tribal gods.

But ya'll don't care, right? Even though your primary concern should be "Harm None", you're generally more concerned with playing victim and bitching about Christian Oppression(tm).

Before you complain: I'm not Christian, I have many articles on Witchvox, and have studied tribal religions extensively enough to have earned an Honorary Doctorate in religious studies - no, not purchase from some cheesy internet church.

This is usually the teenagers, though. Since your name is "Nonconformitism", I'm 99% certain you are one of these teenage wannabe goth\nerd Wiccans.

not a goth or a wiccan, maybe nerd, definitely teenager, i just started the thread cause there were a huge amount of people convinced that it was devil worship, and that thread got locked

A new religion claiming to be an old one.
Exactly. But not even a religion. Their entire system of beliefs is just one poem-that's all.

Samhain, Imbolc, Yule, and the rest of the holidays in the Wheel of Year were all Pagan holidays. Dr. Gardiner, the founder of Wicca, just adopted it, as well as various other Pagan practices, for his own religion, Wicca. Even the concept of the God and the Goddess (commonly called Woden and Freya), to me, seems like bullshit. Because they were based on the Anglo-Saxon Gods, which were based on the Nordic Gods. Woden was "Odin." And Odin's wife was Friqq, not Freya. But then again, if you're trying to sell a religion to a bunch of morons, calling the main Goddess 'Friqq' does not sound very appealing. ;)

Currently, you're not even required to celebrate or recognize Wiccan holidays, to be a Wiccan, since it's so heavily agnostic. You just need to follow the Wiccan Rede. For that reason, it's not even really a religion. "Gardinerian Wicca" is a religion, yes, because they actually have clearly-defined rituals and beliefs. But one poem does not make a religion. In most cases, Wiccans are just idiotic teenagers and adults trying to masturbate, spiritually, by pretending to be in an esoteric world that doesn't exist.

Before you complain: I'm not Christian, I have many articles on Witchvox, and have studied tribal religions extensively enough to have earned an Honorary Doctorate in religious studies - no, not purchase from some cheesy internet church.

Wow, that honorary doctorate sure went to your head. I'm neither Christian nor Wiccan, and I successfully completed an extensive course of studies in comparative theology. So check your airs of innate superiority at the door, dude.

I know what you're saying, and you know what I'm saying, and we both know there's truth to what each of us has already said. Everything else is just silly game-playing.

Wow, that honorary doctorate sure went to your head. I'm neither Christian nor Wiccan, and I successfully completed an extensive course of studies in comparative theology. So check your airs of innate superiority at the door, dude.

Pre-emptive strike. The automatic assumption if anyone finds Wicca distasteful and silly is that they must be an ignorant Christian.

I know what you're saying, and you know what I'm saying, and we both know there's truth to what each of us has already said. Everything else is just silly game-playing.

Games are fun, though! I particularly like Cribbage.

Pre-emptive strike. The automatic assumption if anyone finds Wicca distasteful and silly is that they must be an ignorant Christian.

well you must admit they usually are

NO! it's paganism, the "religion" western europe had until we were concored(sp).

Paginism is a worship of nature. If you choose to burn a yule log at christmas, thats your choice but modern values have distorted pagainism into witchcraft, much like the Quakers, David Koresh and the Moonies have distorted christianity.

Get a life. Better yet, read a little more, it's the key to knowledge.

Oh, boohoo. It's a religion, and is as much claptrap as the rest of them.

You lot have watched far too much Charmed and Buffy to really understand Wicca. You arent worth talking to since much of what you're trying to pin on this religion is satanism.

That isnt wicca.

Witchcraft isnt wicca either (although a few young people are probably influenced by the same programs)

And, if you are christisn you must believe in demons, it's right there in the bible (Jesus casting out Legions from one man springs to mind) not to mention that the Excorsist is based on "fact" and the roman catholic church have rituals for casting out demons inhabiting human bodies.

Yeah, Wiccans are the weirdos! You just choose to ignore the "unpleasent" aspects of christianity now adays and blame... well anyone because according to most christians, demons dont exist right?

well you must admit they usually are

Not always ... sometimes they're folks like me, who is an American Indian, and has to sit idley by while a Wiccan makes a mockery of our Coyote legends in some ham handed "moonsong" ritual.

It sickens me.

But, hey ... "Harm None" right?

You lot have watched far too much Charmed and Buffy to really understand Wicca. You arent worth talking to since much of what you're trying to pin on this religion is satanism.

You're the first person in this thread to bring up Satanism. Funny, that.

Ah ... victim screamers ... I love 'em all.

Not always ... sometimes they're folks like me, who is an American Indian, and has to sit idley by while a Wiccan makes a mockery of our Coyote legends in some ham handed "moonsong" ritual.

It sickens me.

But, hey ... "Harm None" right?
i must admit native americans definitely have a much better religion/respect of the elements/mother nature than now aday's wiccans

And, if you are christisn you must believe in demons, it's right there in the bible (Jesus casting out Legions from one man springs to mind) not to mention that the Excorsist is based on "fact" and the roman catholic church have rituals for casting out demons inhabiting human bodies.

Yeah, Wiccans are the weirdos! You just choose to ignore the "unpleasent" aspects of christianity now adays and blame... well anyone because according to most christians, demons dont exist right?

I assure you, I don't discriminate. Wicca and Christianity and any other religion are equally silly to me.

Tis witchcraft white to be exact. How do i know, very simple, I insulted a wiccan (involuntarily how i wont tell you, they might be among us) who said she would put a curse on me : :eek:. Oh well, we all know that every spell a witch casts affects them thrice as much. AND salt, salt is one of the curealls like hydrochloric acid and HI which i might spell wrong but tis hydroIodonic acid. Then there is any base that starts with a group one element, Calcium, Stroncium and Ba what ever that is.

Hi-

Wicca is a relatively new religion which worships the dual-nature in things, by using symbols like the God and Goddess. It contains a built-in ethical philosophy, known as the Rede. Its founder took rituals, folklore, and beleifs from various sources (much like the founders of many religions before him) and crystalized it onto his book, Witchcraft Today. Like many religions, several schizmed sub-religions sprung up from it, and now we have a diverse and interesting set of faiths for the followers of wicca to choose from. Wicca evolved in parallel with many other pagan faiths, and contributes to the spritiual richness and diversity of modern paganism.

Sorry to chime in by answering the question asked in the beginning of the thread, but it seems most peoples beefs with Wicca are the same beefs one could find with ANY religion. I guess that makes Wicca just as valid (and ambivilently invalid) as any other religion. Just my two cents.

-Duke Anthony

SO the founder is like john calvin in that he just wants to be famous.

I assure you, I don't discriminate. Wicca and Christianity and any other religion are equally silly to me.
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LOL! Sorry, that cracked me up. I am a Pagan by the way. Since, I am still looking into paths, though, I'll just stick with Pagan instead of classifying myself as Wiccan, Druid, or anything else. Firstly, the things posted on this forum are very angled. You say 'Wiccans are quick to say that Christians are bad'. Apparently, you are also quick to say this. You are ALL generalizing my friends. The Pagans and Christians both. The most senseful things I have heard are coming from people who I have no clue what you all are (no offense).

No, Wicca is not an old religion or really even based on old religions. I think that the mixing of patheons is okay when done respectfully and rarely. Also, if you really believe in ONE culture become a reconstructionist!

I have no problem with Christianity. There are some crazy Christians- DON'T DENY IT! There are some crazy Wiccans- DON'T DENY IT!!!!

Firstly, no Wicca doesn't follow the old religions usually even loosely (so its new, big deal. the problem comes when people say they follow them exactly and don't). But, is Christianity even followed exactly? No. Not by most. Firstly, the Bible was writtren by man and therefore has problems. Secondly, did Jesus preach in churches? Nope. So, why is it you go? The Bible says so? In the same Bible it says to be not like the hypocrites who sit in synagouges but to pray in secret in your closet. If you find any corrections in what I have said please say so. I would like to know when I am mistaken, thats how ou learn.

Several Wiccans are teens who have no clue who the god even is and others are fluffy. But, many are devoted to it. Some change to a new religion after being faithful for years. Wicca encourages that. It's called growing and learning. Nextly, if Wicca isn't some scary suicide Heavens Gate cult why worry about it? It encourages happiness and growth so just leave it. Don't you have better things to do (I am expecting sarcastic comments on that sentence, LOL)?

And since when do you people decide what fulfills people and constitutes a religion?

I have no fancy degrees or anything but I do have my common knowledge, something that a suprising amount people these days seem to be missing (in reference to simple common sense-not religion).

THE END

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LOL! Sorry, that cracked me up. I am a Pagan by the way. Since, I am still looking into paths, though, I'll just stick with Pagan instead of classifying myself as Wiccan, Druid, or anything else. Firstly, the things posted on this forum are very angled. You say 'Wiccans are quick to say that Christians are bad'. Apparently, you are also quick to say this. You are ALL generalizing my friends. The Pagans and Christians both. The most senseful things I have heard are coming from people who I have no clue what you all are (no offense).

No, Wicca is not an old religion or really even based on old religions. I think that the mixing of patheons is okay when done respectfully and rarely. Also, if you really believe in ONE culture become a reconstructionist!

I have no problem with Christianity. There are some crazy Christians- DON'T DENY IT! There are some crazy Wiccans- DON'T DENY IT!!!!

Firstly, no Wicca doesn't follow the old religions usually even loosely (so its new, big deal. the problem comes when people say they follow them exactly and don't). But, is Christianity even followed exactly? No. Not by most. Firstly, the Bible was writtren by man and therefore has problems. Secondly, did Jesus preach in churches? Nope. So, why is it you go? The Bible says so? In the same Bible it says to be not like the hypocrites who sit in synagouges but to pray in secret in your closet. If you find any corrections in what I have said please say so. I would like to know when I am mistaken, thats how ou learn.

Several Wiccans are teens who have no clue who the god even is and others are fluffy. But, many are devoted to it. Some change to a new religion after being faithful for years. Wicca encourages that. It's called growing and learning. Nextly, if Wicca isn't some scary suicide Heavens Gate cult why worry about it? It encourages happiness and growth so just leave it. Don't you have better things to do (I am expecting sarcastic comments on that sentence, LOL)?

And since when do you people decide what fulfills people and constitutes a religion?

I have no fancy degrees or anything but I do have my common knowledge, something that a suprising amount people these days seem to be missing (in reference to simple common sense-not religion).

THE END

If it encourages peace then explain the one threatening to curse me.

I am a Roman Catholic by the way.

SO the founder is like john calvin in that he just wants to be famous.
???

Both John Calvin and Dr. Gerald Gardiner faced persecution for what they did. You have to understand that writing a book on withcraft in the 50's was a very dramatic thing to do. No one is going to risk being imprisoned or murdered just to be famous.

Are you on drugs? :confused:

If it encourages peace then explain the one threatening to curse me.

I am a Roman Catholic by the way.

A fluffy who has no clue what Paganism or Karma is about. Or an escpaed lunatic....i guess.....

Or did you do something really bad....like pray to the Christian God *gasps*....that was sarcasm.....just so you know....

???

Both John Calvin and Dr. Gerald Gardiner faced persecution for what they did. No one is going to risk being imprisoned or murdered just to be famous.

Are you on drugs? :confused:

How do you know?
Calvin teaches against the bibal saying you either go to hell or heaven and no matter what you do you cant change it then says if you're not working you're sinning and go to hell so either way you are screwed. The calvinists are intolerant
Now i have no clue who the doc is besides he is the founder of wicca but it seems to me that the only reason to presently make a new religion is to be famous, i mean not all people will discover so and so or be an actor/tress/singer/dancer/rich/etc

SO the founder is like john calvin in that he just wants to be famous.


My thoughts on GG.....he would be upset with where Wicca is and what it is turning into for many people.

If it encourages peace then explain the one threatening to curse me.

I am a Roman Catholic by the way.
Wiccans all fully agree that "curses" are not only wrong, but they're stupid. As many people here said (but apparently, you can't read? :confused:), Wiccans believe in the rule of three. One way it's often explained is, every time you point at someone, you've got three fingers pointing at yourself. In other words, for every good or evil thing you do, it is return to you, threefold. It is essentially just the golden rule multiplied by three. So, yes, it does always encourage peace, unlike Christianity, which has scripture that suggests you execute people for being pagan or homosexual.

Not always ... sometimes they're folks like me, who is an American Indian, and has to sit idley by while a Wiccan makes a mockery of our Coyote legends in some ham handed "moonsong" ritual.

It sickens me.

But, hey ... "Harm None" right?

Well, you're not the only one with First Nations blood running through your veins, then, either. I'm not a "status" Indian, however. Just your run-of-the-mill, urban mongrel.

And while stories of pagans messing about on grounds sacred to First Nations peoples have certainly appalled me in the past, I see no reason to belittle them in their attempts to reconnect with the Gods and Goddesses of their ancestors. At least they're coming to grips with the loss of their indigenous culture at the hands of the monotheists of Rome.

Maybe they aren't getting it right - and maybe they are synthesising something altogether new, by incorporating aspects of other philosophies - but I'll take worshippers of a refurbished pantheon over the auto-pilot of cookie-cutter Christianity any day of the week.

A fluffy who has no clue what Paganism or Karma is about. Or an escpaed lunatic....i guess.....

Or did you do something really bad....like pray to the Christian God *gasps*....that was sarcasm.....just so you know....

You say it is a religion not witch craft so what i said would be inoffensive to a wiccan and i highly doubt a 15 or 16 year old vegen is an escaped lunatic but then again.... And no i wasnt praying to my god(as in the god i worship).

How do you know?
Calvin teaches against the bibal saying you either go to hell or heaven and no matter what you do you cant change it then says if you're not working you're sinning and go to hell so either way you are screwed. The calvinists are intolerant
Now i have no clue who the doc is besides he is the founder of wicca but it seems to me that the only reason to presently make a new religion is to be famous, i mean not all people will discover so and so or be an actor/tress/singer/dancer/rich/etc

That is what it is for most people but you think he would have actually done somthing interesting like human sacrifice or mass suicide if he wanted to be famous and/or was nutters.

If it encourages peace then explain the one threatening to curse me.

I am a Roman Catholic by the way.
explain the catholic who said "you're gonna burn in hell you mother fucker, god hates you" there are always people who are evil no matter what religion, and for all i know you could deserve to be cursed

How do you know?
Calvin teaches against the bibal saying you either go to hell or heaven and no matter what you do you cant change it then says if you're not working you're sinning and go to hell so either way you are screwed. The calvinists are intolerant
Now i have no clue who the doc is besides he is the founder of wicca but it seems to me that the only reason to presently make a new religion is to be famous, i mean not all people will discover so and so or be an actor/tress/singer/dancer/rich/etc
What's the bibal? :confused:

John Calvin's logic was sound, except it's more often than not used by non-Christians, to defeat the fallibility of the Bible.

1. God has always known everything, past, present, and future.
2. God created the world.
3. God knew what everyone's future would be, before creating the world.
4. Everyone is predestined to go to heaven or hell.

The problem, though, is that if we're predestined, how are we morally responsible? And if you say we ARE NOT predestined, then you have to therefore deny that God knows everything, or that God created the world.

You say it is a religion not witch craft so what i said would be inoffensive to a wiccan and i highly doubt a 15 or 16 year old vegen is an escaped lunatic but then again.... And no i wasnt praying to my god(as in the god i worship).

There is a common saying you can be a witch but not Wiccan but you can't be Wiccan without being a Witch. I think this is very true. ALL witchcraft is not WICCA but to be a Wiccan you pretty much have to practice magic.

Wiccans all fully agree that "curses" are not only wrong, but they're stupid. As many people here said (but apparently, you can't read? :confused:), Wiccans believe in the rule of three. One way it's often explained is, every time you point at someone, you've got three fingers pointing at yourself. In other words, for every good or evil thing you do, it is return to you, threefold. It is essentially just the golden rule multiplied by three. So, yes, it does always encourage peace, unlike Christianity, which has scripture that suggests you execute people for being pagan or homosexual.

I know the rule of three as i even wrote it in my first or second post. Anyway the Bibal teaches to tolerate everyone, even sinners (it is said that commiting adultery is worse then being a homosexual so...)

Now guy on monotheistic romans, the were polytheistic genociding the roman Catholics until constantine but he moved to constantinopple. Anyway they never defeated the celts or german "barbarians"

explain the catholic who said "you're gonna burn in hell you mother fucker, god hates you" there are always people who are evil no matter what religion, and for all i know you could deserve to be cursed

True, but remember there ARE WICCANS who say things just as horrible. Then again there are people from almost any religion who will say horrible things about other religions. Lets all be Buddhists, LOL.

There is a common saying you can be a witch but not Wiccan but you can't be Wiccan without being a Witch. I think this is very true. ALL witchcraft is not WICCA but to be a Wiccan you pretty much have to practice magic.

Witchcraft is selling your soul for magic or something and involves being the bride of satan. THat is why they were hunted

No you don't.

How does predestination change God's omnipotence? If God realizes that man must suffer through trials and tribulations He will be laissez-faire with us and allow us to go about our ways. Using our own morality as a judge. He created us in His image, but realized the flaws in attempting to create perfection out of relative imperfection. Thus, He realized that man must not be controlled like beasts of burden.

As for Wicca. It is a hodge-podge amalgamation of beliefs, and like all religions its members run the gamut from more than acceptable practicioners to complete and utter idiots. You know the sort, the ones that hang around book stores to insult Christians and claim to lay curses on them or some form of bullplop like that. The sort that believe that religion can be purchased for $19.95 in book form. :P Although the Old Factor Wiccans are the cool ones. Too many of the ones born after 1980 are morons who are simply using the faith as a form of rebellion.

I know the rule of three as i even wrote it in my first or second post. Anyway the Bibal teaches to tolerate everyone, even sinners (it is said that commiting adultery is worse then being a homosexual so...)

Now guy on monotheistic romans, the were polytheistic genociding the roman Catholics until constantine but he moved to constantinopple. Anyway they never defeated the celts or german "barbarians"


Somthing to say -THIS IS NOT A CLASH TO CHRISTIANITY JUST SOMETHING I'M POINTING OUT- in the Bible it says that if a man is caught in the act of raping a woman she must marry him. That sucks. But, as I said the Bible was written by man, it has problems. Wicca was made by man-it has problems.

Witchcraft is selling your soul for magic or something and involves being the bride of satan. THat is why they were hunted

Ummm, most Witches don't believe in Satan. That is just what it said in the Malleus Maleficarum. Magic is sending out energies to recieve a reaction from your surroundings.

What's the bibal? :confused:

John Calvin's logic was sound, except it's more often than not used by non-Christians, to defeat the fallibility of the Bible.

1. God has always known everything, past, present, and future.
2. God created the world.
3. God knew what everyone's future would be, before creating the world.
4. Everyone is predestined to go to heaven or hell.

The problem, though, is that if we're predestined, how are we morally responsible? And if you say we ARE NOT predestined, then you have to therefore deny that God knows everything, or that God created the world.

God created free will and you are not damned at your birth. While it is true that God knows all, that doesnt mean that there is no chance at redemption and it was never said that not working was sinning.

Now the other guy, those are jehova witnesses for the most part. I am catholic not protestant. Not all Christens say things like you will rot in hell just as not all priets molest children and how not all russians kill other russians for no good reason.

True, but remember there ARE WICCANS who say things just as horrible. Then again there are people from almost any religion who will say horrible things about other religions. Lets all be Buddhists, LOL.
precisely what i was trying to say

Sadly, your poll didn't include the correct answer:

- It's a made-up religion based on loopy ideas on what an ancient "nature-worshipping" religion must have been like.

No you don't.

How does predestination change God's omnipotence? If God realizes that man must suffer through trials and tribulations He will be laissez-faire with us and allow us to go about our ways. Using our own morality as a judge. He created us in His image, but realized the flaws in attempting to create perfection out of relative imperfection. Thus, He realized that man must not be controlled like beasts of burden.

As for Wicca. It is a hodge-podge amalgamation of beliefs, and like all religions its members run the gamut from more than acceptable practicioners to complete and utter idiots. You know the sort, the ones that hang around book stores to insult Christians and claim to lay curses on them or some form of bullplop like that. The sort that believe that religion can be purchased for $19.95 in book form. :P Although the Old Factor Wiccans are the cool ones. Too many of the ones born after 1980 are morons who are simply using the faith as a form of rebellion.

Just because many young Pagans/Wiccans are fluffy
doesn't mean they all are. People of all ages can have open minds, wether this means towards, Christianity, Buddhism, Wicca, Islam, or Satanism.

Witchcraft is selling your soul for magic or something and involves being the bride of satan. THat is why they were hunted
um no its not, that is just what the church said so it could hunt down all the 'witches'

Sadly, your poll didn't include the correct answer:

- It's a made-up religion based on loopy ideas on what an ancient "nature-worshipping" religion must have been like.

Who decides what is/isn't loopy/real? You? It is as real to them as your relgion is to you. There is nothing wrong with so-called 'nature-worship'. the problem is the people who give it all a bad name by walking around saying 'Love and Light my peaceful sisters. Blessed Be, lets just worship Demeter but NEVER Thor. He is a dude and he seemed MEAN!' :(

My goodness. I never thought I would get so involved in this thread seeing as how I am not even Wiccan...I am a sort of undecided wanderer for now ;)

um no its not, that is just what the church said so it could hunt down all the 'witches'

Watch history channel especially around halloween

Watch history channel especially around halloween

Don't believe all you see on TV or are told. Then again lets just not watch Tv....

Don't believe all you see on TV or are told. Then again lets just not watch Tv....

So now you are saying that a history thing is about relgions and holidays is wrong?

My goodness. I never thought I would get so involved in this thread seeing as how I am not even Wiccan...I am a sort of undecided wanderer for now ;)
i dont think anyone in this conversation is Wiccan

Why isnt faddish quasi-religious claptrap included in the poll?

So now you are saying that a history thing is about relgions and holidays is wrong?
no just that not all television is fact even those considered credible

Why isnt faddish quasi-religious claptrap included in the poll?
if you get someone to second the motion ill add it

no just that not all television is fact even those considered credible

I know. They said atilla died from his wife poisining in the movie atilla but he died from choking on a bone. I dont always believe the things. Then again not everything is credible

i dont think anyone in this conversation is Wiccan
LOL, i considered being Wiccan for quite some time. Does that count?

LOL, i considered being Wiccan for quite some time. Does that count?

Does being half pregnent count?

Either you are one or not

LOL, i considered being Wiccan for quite some time. Does that count?
no but if you did your research it probably makes you a fairly educated source

tis dead?

Sadly, your poll didn't include the correct answer:

- It's a made-up religion based on loopy ideas on what an ancient "nature-worshipping" religion must have been like.

Technically speaking, ALL religions were made up by humans at some point in time based on some basic ideas. Wicca is no different in that respect.


The problem with trying to define Wicca or explain what its practitioners beleive is that it is one of the most flexible religions in the world, which is mostly because it is so new. It invites everyone to form their own beliefs about the divine. It is almost impossible to say "Wiccans believe this and that" because there are almost always some of them who think differently. Belief in a Goddess and God is pretty much the only thing that can be considered more or less universal to all Wiccans.

The thing about this is that there is no way anyone can really say "Wicca is evil" or "Wicca is for people who want attention" because it is different for each individual. Any generalization you make about the Wiccan religion is going to be untrue for some of its practitioners. Of course, the other side of this is that you can't say "Wicca is good" or "Wicca is uplifting to the soul" for the same exact reason. :p

The bottom line is, if you want to say anything about Wicca or Wiccans, you can only do so for individuals and not the group as a whole. Yes, there are many teenage goths who wear dark clothes and practice witchcraft to stand out. On the other end, there are closet Wiccans who can't even tell their own family of their beliefs, and act and dress just like anyone else in their day-to-day lives.

if you get someone to second the motion ill add it

I second the motion. Now add away.

Would the Baba Yaga be considered a wiccan?

Does being half pregnent count?

Either you are one or not


My goodnes, someone needs to learn the complex language of SARCASM!!! And I hate that 'there is such a thing as being a little bit preggers' commercial. YOU ARE OR YOUR NOT!

no but if you did your research it probably makes you a fairly educated source

Fairly educated? Thats probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me, LOL!!

Would the Baba Yaga be considered a wiccan?

i think the Baba Yaga would be considered a Witch not Wiccan, unless that was sarcasm and I missed the point.

You cant hear what the person is saying so it is kindof hard to tell sarcasm just by reading. The least you could do is hint with * or "" or even write (sarcastic)

You cant hear what the person is saying so it is kindof hard to tell sarcasm just by reading. The least you could do is hint with * or "" or even write (sarcastic)
Maybe I really should considering the maybe you should learn sarcasm post was also sarcasm. Gosh, everyone is so serious here. The Bottom line is This-

None of us are God (yes I know, you are in your head). None of us is a goddess. No one here decides who goes to Hell, or where Karma is placed. And we have no way of doing so. You dont know how any divine beings (or lack of) mind works. If people find Wicca fulfilling good for them. If you find Christianity or Islam or Druidism or WHATEVER fulfilling good for you. If you ignore the idiots who think they can zap you with fireballs, I'll ignore the crazies who run down the street handing out tracts and saying my eternal soul will burn in hell. Did you know one of the books up for consideration to be placed in the Bible said you don't stay in Hell forever but only an amount of time equal to your sin. It was left out because church leaders felt it encouraged sin and wouls be misinterpreted.

Not to speak for Eclectic Fae, but:

So now you are saying that a history thing is about relgions and holidays is wrong?

Um, one on the Hitler--er, History Channel? Yes. Frequently. Would you argue that Bigfoot is incontestably real on the basis that the History Channel airs old episodes of "In Search Of"?

Not to speak for Eclectic Fae, but:



Um, one on the Hitler--er, History Channel? Yes. Frequently. Would you argue that Bigfoot is incontestably real on the basis that the History Channel airs old episodes of "In Search Of"?
LOL. In Search Of is an interesting show but its interesting in the same way the Inquirer or Star are interesting.

Not to speak for Eclectic Fae, but:



Um, one on the Hitler--er, History Channel? Yes. Frequently. Would you argue that Bigfoot is incontestably real on the basis that the History Channel airs old episodes of "In Search Of"?

Seems more of an animal planet. That is cryptozoology which is like trying to find out new creatures such as bigfoot, lochness monster and rods and other things.

Seems more of an animal planet. That is cryptozoology which is like trying to find out new creatures such as bigfoot, lochness monster and rods and other things.

I find cryptozoology very interesting actually but I don't believe in many Cryptozoological animals such as the Jersey Devil. I do believe that Nessie could be real....wow, I am WAY off topic.

I find cryptozoology very interesting actually but I don't believe in many Cryptozoological animals such as the Jersey Devil. I do believe that Nessie could be real....wow, I am WAY off topic.

I like it too. I think nessie is fake but rods could be real.

I like it too. I think nessie is fake but rods could be real.

I'm not sure about rods but I think Nessie could be real. Pretty uncertain about Bigfoot. I believe in aliens (which are somtimes considered cryptozoology...but not usually included) andBlue Tigers could be real because you can actually have blue felines if they are born with mutant genes!!! Weird, eh?

I'm not sure about rods but I think Nessie could be real. Pretty uncertain about Bigfoot. I believe in aliens (which are somtimes considered cryptozoology...but not usually included) andBlue Tigers could be real because you can actually have blue felines if they are born with mutant genes!!! Weird, eh?

Blue tigers possibly, bigfoot, maybe, rods, who the hell knows, but nessie, hardly possible.

And, if you are christisn you must believe in demons, it's right there in the bible (Jesus casting out Legions from one man springs to mind) not to mention that the Excorsist is based on "fact" and the roman catholic church have rituals for casting out demons inhabiting human bodies.

ever heard of epilepsy? the people at the time thought pple with epilepsy were possesed.

Somthing to say -THIS IS NOT A CLASH TO CHRISTIANITY JUST SOMETHING I'M POINTING OUT- in the Bible it says that if a man is caught in the act of raping a woman she must marry him. That sucks. But, as I said the Bible was written by man, it has problems. Wicca was made by man-it has problems.

muslims still have that law. it was for men that took advantage of young women and tarnished her families honour.

Games are fun, though! I particularly like Cribbage.

relli? my granma like bridge, to each his/her own

Wicca, besides being the last religion I subscribed to before becoming an atheist is a very old religion trying to bring itself into the modern world, it is in a way the appical religion. the "magic spell" is where prayers originated. Some of the aspects of Wicca, astral projection for example are present in Eastern religions, Hinduism and Bhuddhism for example. Wicca itself is a new religon,but it is based upon and tied to an older religion.Most Holidays are based on Pagan Traditions, Midwinter Festrival falls on 25 December, only in the Uk does tax season come in Winter, according to evidence from SCIENTISTS, and ANTHROPOLOGISTS, the real kind not the religious justifiers the correct birthdate of the one called Jesus Christ is 15 April, 7 A.D., not 25 December. All Hallows Eve is now called Halloween, Easter originates with the pre-christian festival of Luprecal, a fertility festival, Hence the symbols of easter are Eggs, and Rabbits. The most truly Christian holiday is St. Valentine's Day because it celebrates the Murder of an early Christian priest during the reign of the Roman Emperor Hadrian, or maybe it was Constantine. Constantine is the reason for so much co-opting of pagansim, you see, he converted to Christianity, and had to then find a way to convert the entire empire to Christianity so, he named the christian Holy-Days to be on the same days as the pre-christian festivals, and left the observances the same to get the empire to swallow the idea.Constantine was a very naughty man. Please stop using the word Pagan, it carries negative connotations with the sheep and turns them off, due to several hundred years of Roman Catholic Meddling One last point, the Necronomicon is Bunk, H.P. Lovecraft is a fraud, The Necronomicon is NOT wicca Cthulthu (SP?) is NOT Wicca.

IF that happens, they sue and win. Wiccans are not oppressed in the US in any way shape or form.

Normally, I agree with you, Keru... but you are wrong on this one.

Just because some parts of this big land are more accepting, doesn't mean that ALL parts are.

You want to see oppression of Wiccans? I live there.

You left out the fifth option:
Yet another self-delusional fantasy to help get one through the night.

IF that happens, they sue and win. Wiccans are not oppressed in the US in any way shape or form.

Except maybe in the Bible Belt - which covers a pretty large area.

It's a pastime for insecure teenagers and bored housewives. Empowering, comforting and excitingly different, just like Oprah.

Paganism and Wicca are only seperated by definition from person to person, depending on the practitioner. I myself find that paganism is more of an updated name of Wicca. I practice and worship the triple goddess and god, the Maid, Mother, and Crone, The Lord, The Father and the Green One. I have found I am more excepted and people are more open about it in general. I have found no resistence in my family, nor in my friends. Half of my family practice, and so do my friends. So to ask what is Wicca, it is defined mainly by the practioner(s).

Paganism and Wicca are only seperated by definition from person to person, depending on the practitioner. I myself find that paganism is more of an updated name of Wicca. I practice and worship the triple goddess and god, the Maid, Mother, and Crone, The Lord, The Father and the Green One. I have found I am more excepted and people are more open about it in general. I have found no resistence in my family, nor in my friends. Half of my family practice, and so do my friends. So to ask what is Wicca, it is defined mainly by the practioner(s).
It always makes me smile when people typo "accepted" as "excepted" (as it gives the sentence pretty much the opposite meaning).

Not always ... sometimes they're folks like me, who is an American Indian, and has to sit idley by while a Wiccan makes a mockery of our Coyote legends in some ham handed "moonsong" ritual. It sickens me.
But, hey ... "Harm None" right?
What tribe?

But only the pretty parts, right? Also the syncretism!

I mean ... you don't eat the hearts of the fallen warriors, do you? You don't carve runes out of the skull bones of stillborn babies, do you? You'll perform a rite that combines a Northwestern American Indian tribal custom with a Southern Gaelic purification rituals while praying in a Northern Celtic language, right?

No ... it is not the religion of Western Europe. It's not even close to the old religion(s) of Western Europe. It's a combination of a great many and varied practices from cultures all over the world. Some that don't have any place being in the same ritual and, thus, make a mockery of certain tribal gods.

But ya'll don't care, right? Even though your primary concern should be "Harm None", you're generally more concerned with playing victim and bitching about Christian Oppression(tm).

Before you complain: I'm not Christian, I have many articles on Witchvox, and have studied tribal religions extensively enough to have earned an Honorary Doctorate in religious studies - no, not purchase from some cheesy internet church.
[ highly confused look ] First you said you were Moslem, then you said you were Jewish, now you say you're Wiccan and American Indian? Dude! WTF, over???? :confused:

[ highly confused look ] First you said you were Moslem, then you said you were Jewish, now you say you're Wiccan and American Indian? Dude! WTF, over???? :confused:
One doesn't have to be a Wiccan or an American Indian to know something of the subjects and write articles. :)

One doesn't have to be a Wiccan or an American Indian to know something of the subjects and write articles. :)
Originally Posted by Keruvalia
Not always ... sometimes they're folks like me, who is an American Indian, and has to sit idley by while a Wiccan makes a mockery of our Coyote legends in some ham handed "moonsong" ritual.

Originally Posted by Keruvalia
Not always ... sometimes they're folks like me, who is an American Indian, and has to sit idley by while a Wiccan makes a mockery of our Coyote legends in some ham handed "moonsong" ritual.
Yes, I saw that. My point was still made. ;)

Yes, I saw that. My point was still made. ;)
Willamena ... don't you start confusing me too! K has me confused enough already! :p

You need another option: FAKE

Not always ... sometimes they're folks like me, who is an American Indian, and has to sit idley by while a Wiccan makes a mockery of our Coyote legends in some ham handed "moonsong" ritual.

It sickens me.

But, hey ... "Harm None" right?
No offense Keruvalia...but seriously, when did you become a Native American Indian? I'm fairly certain you've said you have about 1/16th Cherokee blood, and that you were not raised Native...?

I like it too. I think nessie is fake but rods could be real.

I must back my Scottish roots and tell you Nessie is definetli real. who's rods???

No offense Keruvalia...but seriously, when did you become a Native American Indian? I'm fairly certain you've said you have about 1/16th Cherokee blood, and that you were not raised Native...?

I'm 1/4 Nakohodotsi Caddo. I'm pretty sure that qualifies me. :)

I'm 1/4 Nakohodotsi Caddo. I'm pretty sure that qualifies me. :)
On which side?

On which side?

Father's

Father's
Donald or Delma?

Donald or Delma?

Who?

Who?
Um....

YOUR FATHER'S PARENTS!?!? :rolleyes:

I call Bullshit.

Explain yourself or go back to being an ex Army, Navy, Jewish, Buddhist, Pagan, Druid, Wiccan, Married, Single, Bisexual, Perpetually masturbating, Drinking, Pot Smoking, "Muslim", MUD Advisor/Master/Builder, "Doctor" of Divinity and "Religious Humanities", music teacher and Religious Troll Baiting attention whore. :eek:

You haven't changed at all in past three years at all from the time you were called out on ulcgroup. You are still a blowhard poser with a perpetual need to be in what you feel is the most currently "persecuted" religion in the US.

Once your (generally) erduite postings had my respect, even if we disagreed. But your uncalled for and unnecessary Posing has destroyed that. Unless you publicly come clean to all the members of NS whose trust you abused by asserting authority, position and status you did not have, you are dead to me. In the classic Jewish sense. Tokhis oyfn tish. :(

I'm 1/4 Nakohodotsi Caddo. I'm pretty sure that qualifies me. :)

The Australian would like to display her ignorance and ask what is Kervalia a 1/4 of?

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.asp?searchword=wicca&image.x=0&image.y=0

Unless you publicly come clean to all the members of NS whose trust you abused by asserting authority, position and status you did not have, you are dead to me. In the classic Jewish sense. Tokhis oyfn tish. :(

First of all, I'm not explaining anything to you or any other bunch of anonymous gits on a public forum - least of all to someone who's clearly mixing up me with other people or taking role playing forums/areas/games out of context.

Second of all, I did not ask for, nor consent to, any form of background check. Incidently, I believe conducting private investigation without a proper investigator's license is a felony.

Third of all, there's a nice little option called "add to ignore list" on these forums. All you gotta do is use it. I'm not here to be anyone's friend, confidant, or anything for that matter. So if I'm "dead to you", I won't lose any sleep.

I will also thank you to not be publicly using my information without my consent. That, however, is an issue for the mods.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=wicca&x=0&y=0
One entry found for Wicca.
Function: noun

Etymology: probably from Old English wicca wizard -- more at WITCH
: a religion influenced by pre-Christian beliefs and practices of western Europe that affirms the existence of supernatural power (as magic) and of both male and female deities who inhere in nature, and that emphasizes ritual observance of seasonal and life cycles

Main Entry: witch
Etymology: Middle English wicche, from Old English wicca, masculine, wizard & wicce, feminine, witch; akin to Middle High German wicken to bewitch, Old English wigle divination, and perhaps to Old High German wIh holy -- more at VICTIM
1 : one that is credited with usually malignant supernatural powers; especially : a woman practicing usually black witchcraft often with the aid of a devil or familiar : SORCERESS -- compare WARLOCK
2 : an ugly old woman : HAG
3 : a charming or alluring girl or woman
4 : a practitioner of Wicca
5 : WITCH OF AGNESI

My girlfriend.

it is a religion based on nature, balance and peace

Hmm, well I did a little report on this a while ago. I was a bit hard to research since two Wiccan authors would contradict each other all the time. I think I came to the conclusion that Wiccans aren't so much concerned with the intellectual side of things as with the emotional part. I don't mean that to be derogatory, though I don't think that's the best way to go about your search for Truth.

can someone please answer my question? it's a a tribe of americans indians or something right?

can someone please answer my question? it's a a tribe of americans indians or something right?

Yes.

what do you think the wiccan religion is?

A load of pretentious nonsense.

I really can't take a religion seriously when it was invented by a guy called Gerald.

Um....

YOUR FATHER'S PARENTS!?!? :rolleyes:

I call Bullshit.

Explain yourself or go back to being an ex Army, Navy, Jewish, Buddhist, Pagan, Druid, Wiccan, Married, Single, Bisexual, Perpetually masturbating, Drinking, Pot Smoking, "Muslim", MUD Advisor/Master/Builder, "Doctor" of Divinity and "Religious Humanities", music teacher and Religious Troll Baiting attention whore. :eek:

You haven't changed at all in past three years at all from the time you were called out on ulcgroup. You are still a blowhard poser with a perpetual need to be in what you feel is the most currently "persecuted" religion in the US.

Once your (generally) erduite postings had my respect, even if we disagreed. But your uncalled for and unnecessary Posing has destroyed that. Unless you publicly come clean to all the members of NS whose trust you abused by asserting authority, position and status you did not have, you are dead to me. In the classic Jewish sense. Tokhis oyfn tish. :(
Funniest thing I've read all day!! A little harsh though. Look KV just be yourself and stop inventing all of these personalities. Sometimes it seems like several different people log on with your username.

Yes.

THANK YOU! no one would tell me, in Australia we have very little understanding of american indians. we hav Aboriginal tribes that r just as kwl.
www.dreamtime.net.au/dreaming/storylist has lots of Dreamtime stories (explantions in story form of why their world was like it was)