NationStates Jolt Archive

Already, on the first day of the british general elections, British National Party Leader Nick Griffin and two other scumba - er, BNP Party Members, have been arrested by West Yorkshire police on accusations of "Incitement to Racial Hatred and Discrimination" after the BBC reporter infiltrated the BNP and discovered hella lot of thingsa bout them.

Yay!

As much as I can say that I don't really have a problem with BNP party members being arrested for well, anything....

This whole "incitement to religious hatred" shit is being taken WAY WAY WAY too far, and is an example of the nanny state at its absolute worst.

While there perhaps is a problem in some sectors of society with people genuinely doing this, the definition of this law is so obscure that even religious discussion in which you genuinely disagree with a person can make you a criminal.

Hell under the new law, such plays as aired about the Sikh play in Birmingham could be classified as "inciting religious hatred". It's a threat to free speech and inter-religious discussion, and should be at the very least revised if not abolished.

Though I don't agree with the law(I thinks it's too open to abuse) this is a very, very good thing that he's been taken out. Hopefully this will provide yet more everdence of the BNP's racism and I hope that he dosn't take a seat in Keigthly, as that would be terrable-besides it's too near me.

Did you watch the documentary?

Maybe you missed the part where he ADMITTED to beating up an ASIAN person because "He was asian, he was asking for it"

Maybe you missed the part where he ADMITTED to that crime.

And no, it's not being taken too far. I don't want to live in a society where people can walk around shouting "I hate niggers! Death to the Chinkies!" because you know what, that's where dislike turns to hate, and we all know what happens when people hate, don't we?

[I know, i'm a hypocrit]

Already, on the first day of the british general elections, British National Party Leader Nick Griffin and two other scumba - er, BNP Party Members, have been arrested by West Yorkshire police on accusations of "Incitement to Racial Hatred and Discrimination" after the BBC reporter infiltrated the BNP and discovered hella lot of thingsa bout them.

Yay!

Yes, arresting people for holding anti-social political views. Very advanced and tolerant. Are we going to lock the commies up for their militant aethism while we are at it, or does this only apply to fairly infamous fringe groups.

That's not the point. Hm, arresting people for holding anti social poliitcal views? What would YOU do if someone came to your house and beat the shit out of you with a cricket bat for being white? Would you want them thrown in prison? Oh no of course not... You call people hating and assaulting others on the base of their skin colour or religious ethnicity ADVANCED? TOLERANT?

That's not the point. Hm, arresting people for holding anti social poliitcal views? What would YOU do if someone came to your house and beat the shit out of you with a cricket bat for being white? Would you want them thrown in prison? Oh no of course not... You call people hating and assaulting others on the base of their skin colour or religious ethnicity ADVANCED? TOLERANT?

Then surely, if assault is involved, his crime is aggravated assault and not incitement to religious hatred?

That is the difference, talking about something like that is one thing, doing it is another.

That's not the point. Hm, arresting people for holding anti social poliitcal views? What would YOU do if someone came to your house and beat the shit out of you with a cricket bat for being white? Would you want them thrown in prison? Oh no of course not...

That's actual violence. Not 'incitement to hatred.'

Do you have evidence that he went to someones house and beat the shit out of them? No. All you have is video of his idle boasts to impress his thickheaded mates. So basically he is going to jail for being an anti-social wanker.

Anyway, this is all political, if it wasn't the police would have closed down the finsbury park mosque years ago, because they are a thousand times worse. And they show no evidence of even considering that now, do they?

Stop being a sheep like follower of that Nazi Blair and his fascist co-horts.

Edit: And who in the hell says chinkies? What is this 1950?

Yes, arresting people for holding anti-social political views. Very advanced and tolerant. Are we going to lock the commies up for their militant aethism while we are at it, or does this only apply to fairly infamous fringe groups.
Arresting people for beating other people up seems like a good idea to me. Or does that smack of the nanny state?

I suppose Kusarii.

"That's actual violence. Not 'incitement to hatred.'"

Still, it's racist based violence.

no, but they DO have a camera video of them shouting CLEARLY racist abuse at some doormen at a nightclub. You don't call that Racist Hatred?

And yes, it is still a used word today. Whatever you say racism is alive and well in the UK.

Yay, im sure they will make lots of nice large asian and black friends in prison, who may or may not want to rape them.


yay!

Already, on the first day of the british general elections, British National Party Leader Nick Griffin and two other scumba - er, BNP Party Members, have been arrested by West Yorkshire police on accusations of "Incitement to Racial Hatred and Discrimination" after the BBC reporter infiltrated the BNP and discovered hella lot of thingsa bout them.

Yay!

They were arrested in 2004, they've just been taken to court today.

I suppose Kusarii.

"That's actual violence. Not 'incitement to hatred.'"

Still, it's racist based violence.

no, but they DO have a camera video of them shouting CLEARLY racist abuse at some doormen at a nightclub. You don't call that Racist Hatred?

And yes, it is still a used word today. Whatever you say racism is alive and well in the UK.

It might be racially based violence, but the penalties for aggressive assault should be adequate punishment.

At the end of the day, if I get the crap beaten out of me by a bunch of asians are they going to arrest them for aggrivated assault and incitement to religious or racial hatred? I don't think so.

As I say, I don't disagree with the charge, I just think that the law in this respect is a particularly poorly crafted one, that is so open to abuse, and simple mis-use that it should be scrapped.

Nick Griffin and John Tyndall are fascist scum. I spit on everything they stand for. I feel genuinely sorry for the people who are sad and desparate enough to support their party. People should never feel the need to turn to neo-Nazi politics to solve their problems.

Nick Griffin and John Tyndall are fascist scum. I spit on everything they stand for. I feel genuinely sorry for the people who are sad and desparate enough to support their party. People should never feel the need to turn to neo-Nazi politics to solve their problems.
Agreed.

generally i try to remain open minded about political parties, but the BNP. The term racist springs to mind all to frequently. If i ever found my hand reaching to vote for them i would hope thhat someone would leap forward with a knife to save me from a long stay in a very hot place....

I will not waste my time criticizing or insulting the BNP as 1) it is unlikely to change, and 2) the BNP probably revels in the letters of shock and repulsion that it regularly receives. Instead, I will focus on its scummy litanies, which, after all, are the things that view countries and the people that live in them either as economic targets to be exploited or as military targets to be defeated. For openers, some piteous bums actually assert that its mistakes are always someone else's fault. This is the kind of muddled thinking that it is encouraging with its grievances. Even worse, all those who raise their voice against this brainwashing campaign are denounced as judgmental meatheads. Other than that, the BNP's ethics represent a backward step of hundreds of years, a backward step into a chasm with no bottom save the endless darkness of death.

Because of the BNP's obsession with paternalism, someone has been giving its brain a very thorough washing, and now the BNP is trying to do the same to us. The BNP's claim that careerism is the key to world peace is factually unsupported and politically motivated. If the BNP wants to pamper wrongheaded nutters, fine. Just don't make me have a conniption while it's at it. Imagine getting a dollar every time the BNP said it wouldn't lionize vainglorious, obstinate deadbeats, but did so anyway. You'd be very, very rich.

Be honest; can you in any way believe the BNP's claim that it is beyond reproach? I really cannot, mainly because many people are shocked when I tell them that under the guise of stimulating debate and illuminating diverse perspectives, its writings actually threaten national security. And I'm shocked that so many people are shocked. You see, I had thought everybody already knew that it takes things out of context, twists them around, and then neglects to provide decent referencing so the reader can check up on it. The BNP also ignores all of the evidence that doesn't support (or in many cases directly contradicts) its position. Not surprisingly, the BNP's holier-than-thou attitudes are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, if the BNP gets its way, none of us will be able to focus on the major economic, social, and political forces that provide the setting for the expression of an audacious agenda. Therefore, we must not let the BNP destabilize the already volatile social fabric that it purportedly aims to save. Once you understand the BNP's teachings, you have a responsibility to do something about them. To know, to understand, and not to act, is an egregious sin of omission. It is the sin of silence. It is the sin of letting the BNP inflict more death and destruction than Genghis Khan's hordes.

Society as a whole should act as a unifying force to debate the efficacy of the BNP's gruesome apothegms. To be more pedantic about it, I can't follow the BNP's pretzel logic. I do, however, know that we should kick butt and take names. (Goodness knows, our elected officials aren't going to.) Doesn't the BNP realize that commercialism is classically a hodgepodge of allegations crafted for mass appeal? It's an interesting question, and its examination will help us understand how the BNP's policies work. Let me start by providing evidence that ancient Greek dramatists discerned a peculiar virtue in being tragic. The BNP would do well to realize that they never discerned any virtue in being unpleasant. No one likes being attacked by nugatory, obnoxious freeloaders. Even worse, the BNP exploits our fear of those attacks -- which it claims will evolve faster than you can say "heterochromatization" into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks -- as a pretext to offer hatred with a pseudo- intellectual gloss. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that anyone who hasn't been living in a cave with his eyes shut and his ears plugged knows that my dream is for tired eyes to open and see clearly, broken spirits to find new energy, and weary arms to find the strength to open students' eyes, minds, hearts, and souls to the world around them. This raises the question: Why aren't our children being warned about the BNP in school? The answer to that question has broad implications. For example, the BNP thinks nothing of violating the spirit of an indigenous people whose art and songs and way of life are proof that we'll know soon enough just how drugged-out these types of devotees of conspiracy theories can be. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame the BNP.

Although the moral absolutist position is well represented by social and political activists and truly influences legislators and policy makers, if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less pernicious than the BNP. Once, just once, I'd like to see the BNP's thralls improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society -- the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth -- all of whose lives are made miserable by the BNP. But until they do that (if they ever do that), we must realize that there is a format the BNP should follow for its next literary endeavor. It involves a topic sentence and supporting facts.

And if you think that we can change the truth if we don't like it the way it is, then you aren't thinking very clearly. Yes, Virginia, the BNP says that some people deserve to feel safe while others do not. That's a stupid thing to say. It's like saying that it is a bearer and agent of the Creator's purpose. Honest people will admit that false denials, pleas for sympathy, and a base campaign for smearing others with its own crimes constitute the BNP's whole method of defense. Concerned people are not afraid to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers. And sensible people know that when a mistake is made, the smart thing to do is to admit it and reverse course. That takes real courage. The way that the BNP stubbornly refuses to own up to its mistakes serves only to convince me that its method (or school, or ideology -- it is hard to know exactly what to call it) goes by the name of "the BNP-ism". It is a blockish and avowedly surly philosophy that aims to foist the most poisonously false and destructive myths imaginable upon us. Let's be frank: It's the BNP's belief that my letters demonstrate a desire to keep a close eye on those who look like they might think an unapproved thought. I can't understand how anyone could go from anything I ever wrote to such a yawping idea. In fact, my letters generally make the diametrically opposite claim, that if defeatism were an Olympic sport, the BNP would clinch the gold medal.

The BNP talks a lot about recidivism and how wonderful it is. However, it's never actually defined what it means. How can it argue for something it's never defined? You see, many people respond to its pretentious accusations in much the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we make an impartial and well-informed evaluation of the advantages and disadvantages of its rodomontades. Some people think that I, hardheaded cynic that I am, decidedly don't want to have to listen to the BNP's ungrateful billingsgate. Others believe that its hariolations are totally lacking in empirical support. The truth lies somewhere inbetween, namely, that I believe I have finally figured out what makes organizations like it generate alienation and withdrawal. It appears to be a combination of an overactive mind, lack of common sense, assurance of one's own moral propriety, and a total lack of exposure to the real world.

The BNP's demands can be rightly understood only as what some semi-intelligible schmucks have been brave enough to call them: a failure. Truth be told, the BNP demands obeisance from its acolytes. Then, once they prove their loyalty, the BNP forces them to agitate for indoctrination programs in local schools. Only the impartial and unimpassioned mind will even consider that the BNP intends to create a new social class. Stubborn fugitives, unforgiving hackers, and the worst sorts of infantile blackguards there are will be given aristocratic status. The rest of us will be forced into serving as their hatchet men. It has been said that what I call incorrigible pseudo-intellectuals suffer from a collective self-image that prefers victimization to success and imposes a suffocating group conformity that ostracizes nonconformists. That makes sense to me. I believe it's true. But it certainly implies that I must ask that the BNP's functionaries seek liberty, equality, and fraternity. I know they'll never do that, so here's an alternate proposal: They should, at the very least, back off and quit trying to encourage a deadly acceptance of intolerance.

None but the lazy can deny that in asserting that anyone who disagrees with it is ultimately grotesque, it demonstrates an astounding narrowness of vision. The BNP keeps telling us that the Earth is flat. Are we also supposed to believe that classism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society? I didn't think so.

The few disingenuous pissants who deny this are not only wrong, they are willfully vulgar. What's my problem, then? Allow me to present it in the form of a question: Why can't the BNP live among us in peace? I've never gotten a clear and honest answer to that question from the BNP. But what is clear is that if we look beyond its delusions of grandeur, we see that the BNP's helots are hardly strangers to Trotskyism. Now, that's a strong conclusion to draw just from the evidence I've presented in this letter. So let me corroborate it by saying that the BNP is inherently insensitive, odious, and unsavory. Oh, and it also has a peevish mode of existence. Once one begins thinking about free speech, about shiftless gits who use ostracism and public opinion to prevent the airing of views contrary to their own asinine beliefs, one realizes that the BNP argues that we're supposed to shut up and smile when it says pathetic things. I wish I could suggest some incontrovertible chain of apodictic reasoning that would overcome this argument, but the best I can do is the following: Of all of its exaggerations and incorrect comparisons, one in particular stands out: "Masochism and collectivism are identical concepts." I don't know where it came up with this, but its statement is dead wrong. In a sense, the BNP somehow manages to maintain a straight face when saying that it can change its disorderly ways. I myself am greatly grieved by this occurrence of falsehood and fantastic storytelling which is the resultant of layers of social dishevelment and disillusionment amongst the fine citizens of a once organized, motivated, and cognitively enlightened civilization. Now for some parting advice: Look at the facts. Analyze the arguments. Think about the motives of the people who are telling you that the BNP has the mandate of Heaven to blame our societal problems on handy scapegoats. And have confidence in yourself. Remember, the BNP, using every conceivable means for its purpose, is determined to spawn a society in which those with the most deviant lifestyle, diabolic behavior, or personal failures are given the most by the government.

As much as I dislike the BNP and their foul, racist beliefs, I must say the BBC documentary wasn't that good. The BNP are racist, shock horror revealed the documentary. Next they'll lauch a peep hole documentary about bears and the fact that they do shat in woods.

BWO.

Did you right that?

You put it in italics and the style doesn't seem to be yours, but then again you didn't credit anyone,

I despise the BNP and everything that they stand for.

Im glad they have been arrested.

As much as the BNP sounds bad, do they have to be arrested on such politically motivated charges?

BWO.

Did you right that?

You put it in italics and the style doesn't seem to be yours, but then again you didn't credit anyone,

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/
:D

Ahh right. Didn't think it sounded like you.

BWO is inciting us to hate devout deviant diabolists! Lock her up!