Who do you prefer?
Gataway_Driver
06-04-2005, 17:38
Kennedy - Not trying to be annoying thats what I actually think
I'm fed up of the Lib Dems, I should have pt Robert kilroy-Silk in there, that would have been interesting, but thats why I didn't put kennedy in there, because he has no chance of winning the election
Prince Willy rocks my world.
I have to say Blair as I am a supporter of the Labour Party. However I believe he should resign over the war in Iraq.
Also Howard would be a very scary person to meet alone on a train.
Gataway_Driver
06-04-2005, 17:44
I'm fed up of the Lib Dems, I should have pt Robert kilroy-Silk in there, that would have been interesting, but thats why I didn't put kennedy in there, because he has no chance of winning the election
and the tory's have? I think not
imported_Jako
06-04-2005, 17:53
No no no no no - the Tories have every chance of winning.
Many Labour supporters are fed up (quite reasonably, I feel) with Tony Blair, but when they decide that means they're not going to vote Labour (not reasonable at all) it gives the Conservatives a real chance at winning.
The political reality of the situation is that the British people have a choice between Tony Blair as Prime Minister or Michael Howard, the man who brought us the poll tax, 3 million unemployed, cuts in police numbers, etc.
Gataway_Driver
06-04-2005, 17:57
No no no no no - the Tories have every chance of winning.
Many Labour supporters are fed up (quite reasonably, I feel) with Tony Blair, but when they decide that means they're not going to vote Labour (not reasonable at all) it gives the Conservatives a real chance at winning.
The political reality of the situation is that the British people have a choice between Tony Blair as Prime Minister or Michael Howard, the man who brought us the poll tax, 3 million unemployed, cuts in police numbers, etc.
The problem is the tories arn't electable, giving blair a free hand to do whatever he wants because people don't want their taxes raised so they won't vote Lib Dem, they won't vot for Con for the reasons you mentioned so Labour is the only other option, it stinks and you might aswell call it elective dictatorship
imported_Jako
06-04-2005, 18:02
The problem is the tories arn't electable, giving blair a free hand to do whatever he wants because people don't want their taxes raised so they won't vote Lib Dem, they won't vot for Con for the reasons you mentioned so Labour is the only other option, it stinks and you might aswell call it elective dictatorship
There are a lot of bitter, right-wing people out there who are still motivated by an arrogant belief that the Conservative party is the natural party of government in this country. They will do anything to get Labour out of power; hence why they are appealing to peoples' greed (promising to cut public investment and lower taxes), peoples' fears (using scary anecdotes about crime when crime is actually falling), and peoples' hatreds (immigrants and gypsies).
I don't think many people here understand just how drastic the consequences would be for this country if the Tories return to power with their unreformed Thatcherite ideas.
both can take a long walk off a short pier
The Return of DO
06-04-2005, 18:05
Howard most definitely
Constitutionals
06-04-2005, 18:09
I'm an American who has never even heard of Michael Howard. So I voted Tony Blair. He seemed decent enough, when he expressed doubt over the Iraq war.
Drunk commies reborn
06-04-2005, 18:19
I'm an American and I demand the right to meddle in your election. Please tell me which parts of Great Britain are likely to vote conservative so I can randomly target potential voters with letters urging them to vote for Labour.
I'm an American and I demand the right to meddle in your election. Please tell me which parts of Great Britain are likely to vote conservative so I can randomly target potential voters with letters urging them to vote for Labour.
is America not busy enough fixing the next Iraqi election? ;)
Gataway_Driver
06-04-2005, 18:21
I'm an American and I demand the right to meddle in your election. Please tell me which parts of Great Britain are likely to vote conservative so I can randomly target potential voters with letters urging them to vote for Labour.
why labour?
Drunk commies reborn
06-04-2005, 18:25
why labour?
Because Tony does what he's told. ;)
Just kidding. Because they're on the liberal side, no?
Because Tony does what he's told. ;)
Just kidding. Because they're on the liberal side, no?
they pretend to be
well...im not even sure if theyre still pretending
Gataway_Driver
06-04-2005, 18:30
Because Tony does what he's told. ;)
Just kidding. Because they're on the liberal side, no?
used to be but not any more, the whole of British Politics is right of centre, the only major "left" party would be the Liberal Democrats
Drunk commies reborn
06-04-2005, 18:35
used to be but not any more, the whole of British Politics is right of centre, the only major "left" party would be the Liberal Democrats
Ok, now who do I send the letters to?
Cadillac-Gage
06-04-2005, 18:47
used to be but not any more, the whole of British Politics is right of centre, the only major "left" party would be the Liberal Democrats
Hrrrhhh??
Would that be "Teddy Kennedy" right, or "Chuck Schumer" right? everything we see on this end says the only people Britain is to the right of are the Continental europeans and maybe the former soviet bloc's more left-leaning members-which really raises an interesting question about what you consider 'centre' or 'left' leaning.
Oh...and Howard, because Blair wasn't just Bush's yes-man, he was Bill Clinton's as well...
Anarchic Conceptions
06-04-2005, 19:07
I'm an American and I demand the right to meddle in your election. Please tell me which parts of Great Britain are likely to vote conservative so I can randomly target potential voters with letters urging them to vote for Labour.
Henly upon Thames
Heanly upon Thames
I like Henly I went there on holiday once, we would have gone abroad, but 2new labour" took too much of our money, my parents are middle-age, middle-class, middle-england so they're natural tory supporters, yey. tories.
Anarchic Conceptions
06-04-2005, 19:18
Well IIRC it is also one of the safest seats in the country.
imported_Jako
06-04-2005, 20:06
used to be but not any more, the whole of British Politics is right of centre, the only major "left" party would be the Liberal Democrats
Lib Dems want to scrap the New Deal for jobs, voted against the introduction of a minimum wage, are too scared to ban foxhunting, and up and down the country share power in council coalitions with the Tories. They are not, repeat NOT, left wing.
Secular Europe
06-04-2005, 20:10
Charles Kennedy!
Tony Blair is too right wing, he's involved private money in more areas of the private sector than Thatcher. His Home Secretaries are almost as bad for Human Rights abuses as Michael Howard was when he was Home Secretary (worst human rights record of any government official in Western Europe!) He took us into the world's worst planned war since Vietnam (but I'm not about to whine about him lying to the people - I don't really care, even if what he said was true, it was still a stupid idea and I never supported it[Yes, lets get rid of terrorism by killing lots of civilians; bombing their homes makes them support us! Yeehaw!])
Michael Howard - see above RE Home Secretaries.
For further details on Michael Howard's shocking approach to Human Rights note - recent policy on gypsies, immigration quotas, etc, etc, etc. The man is EVIL!!!
Ashmoria
06-04-2005, 20:14
you mean tony isnt going to be in jail for starting an illegal war? i thought he was in a bit of trouble over that.
imported_Jako
06-04-2005, 20:15
[QUOTE=Secular Europe]Tony Blair is too right wing, he's involved private money in more areas of the private sector than Thatcher. His Home Secretaries are almost as bad for Human Rights abuses as Michael Howard was when he was Home Secretary (worst human rights record of any government official in Western Europe!) He took us into the world's worst planned war since Vietnam (but I'm not about to whine about him lying to the people - I don't really care, even if what he said was true, it was still a stupid idea and I never supported it[Yes, lets get rid of terrorism by killing lots of civilians; bombing their homes makes them support us! Yeehaw!])
[QUOTE]
Private money in the private sector? Er...Schorely schome mischtake?
If you meant to say "private money in the public sector", you have not noticed that he's also put more public money into it than any other government, whether Labour or Tory, in history. That's not right wing.