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Republicans/Conservatives! We Need To Take Action!

Fascist Emerica
06-04-2005, 17:01
I recieved the following e-mail from the Conservative Party of New York. They got it from the ACU. Please do something about this! We cant let the left run this smear campaign! Its truly disgusting!

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Dear Friend of ACU,

The liberal smear machine is out to destroy House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Please take a few moments to read the following Open Letter to Conservatives from ACU Board Member Morton Blackwell. Morton has been a great conservative leader for many, many years and I'm sure you will find his thoughts on the Left's campaign to Destroy DeLay to be invaluable.

ACU is committed to fighting and defeating this effort to demonize DeLay. With your help, and the help of millions of steadfast conservatives all across the country, we can stop the George Soros funded liberal smear machine dead in its tracks. The Left wants to "Newter" Tom DeLay the same way it did Newt Gingrich: with unfounded lies, baseless accusation, innuendo, and character assassination. We conservatives must not allow the Left to succeed.

Sincerely,

David A. Keene
Chairman



An Open Letter to Conservatives
by
Morton C. Blackwell

Fellow Conservatives,

I'm writing to ask you to join me in doing something effective against the leftist organizations and liberal media who have launched truly vicious attacks on U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.

They attack Tom DeLay for just one reason: Congressman DeLay is one of the most effective fighters for conservative principles.

Time and again, Majority Leader Tom DeLay manages the strategy which wins for conservatives in the narrowly divided House of Representatives.

I know personally that Tom Delay is almost obsessively careful to get good legal advice before he takes any step which might conceivably be questioned under the law or suspected as an infraction of House rules. None of the leftist uproar has contains any evidence he has done anything illegal or violated the House rules.

The only fire under all that smoke generated by the leftist attacks is their burning hatred of a good man.

Conservatives must respond with a richly deserved attack on leftist groups and liberal media trying to lynch Tom DeLay. That's why I'm writing to you.

And you and I must do all we can to make sure any politician who hopes to have conservative support in the future had better be in the forefront as we attack those who attack Tom DeLay.

Media and organizations who would let left wingers get away with almost anything are trying to generate a feeding frenzy against DeLay. No matter what he does, they attack him. Not content to make mountains out of mole hills, they invent mole hills to make mountains.

If Tom DeLay preferred Fords to Chevrolets or Chevrolets to Fords, the leftists would gin up reasons to attack his preference either way.

Unscrupulous leftist media will huff and puff to breath life into any trivial or phony leftist complaint against any act of any powerful conservative, no matter how upright and innocent. And they'll keep doing this until a public reaction begins to embarrass and damage those spreading the propaganda.

You've seen this all your life.

They tried without success to generate a feeding frenzy against Ronald Reagan for many years. They tried it without success against George W. Bush's reelection. Now they're trying it against Tom DeLay.

Prominent newspapers have run a dozen almost identical stories, re-hashing the same foggy complaints, each with a different headline. After all those outrageous, repetitious attacks, the liberal news media have the gall to say that he has become controversial.
It's clear that major liberal print and broadcast media have assigned full-time reporters in this concerted effort to "get" Tom DeLay.

The "non-partisan" leftist groups that attacked President Bush all last year and those groups' big donors are now pouring resources into the current anti-DeLay effort.

Make no mistake about it, their purpose is to damage or destroy any effective conservative. If the attacks succeed, the left eliminates an enemy and tends to discourage any other conservative who is effective.

You and I must not let the left get away with this.

That's why I'm writing to you -- to ask that you make an immediate and sustained effort to stop the left from destroying this outstanding, successful, honorable conservative leader.

Earlier this month, at my personal expense, I had printed up some hundreds of lapel stickers which read, "Hooray for DeLay." I distributed them to eager conservatives at political meetings. But much more can and ought to be done.

Here are three important things you can do:

First, vigorously respond to the onslaught by leftist groups and the liberal media. Attack the attackers for their outrageous bias and point out the real reason they are attacking Tom DeLay: He is one of our most effective conservative leaders.

Second, ask the leaders of any conservative organization you know what they are doing to uphold Tom DeLay against the vicious attacks against him. They should activate their members, readers, donors, viewers, and listeners.

Even non-profit groups can do many things helpful to Tom DeLay without endangering their tax status.

Virtually every conservative cause has benefited greatly from the devotion and skill of Tom DeLay. He fights our battles beside us. We owe him our strongest support now.

Third, and perhaps most powerful, by letter, phone call, email, or personal visit, ask the Republican Members of Congress from your state and others Members you know what they are doing to attack those who are mounting the biased, unfair attacks on Tom DeLay. They will listen to you.

Ultimately, the purpose of all the left's attacks is to remove Tom from his position of leadership. That's why they are doing this. They must not succeed.

Please don't get bogged down answering all the absurd, groundless attacks. The left can and will raise phony new issues faster than you can respond to the old ones. Congressman DeLay has fully and publicly dealt with these false or nit-picky issues.

Focus your attention on attacking his ill-motivated attackers -- and encourage others to do what is right and stand beside Tom DeLay.

Morton C. Blackwell



David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union, is a managing associate with the Carmen Group, a D.C.-based governmental affairs firm
Nikoko
06-04-2005, 17:08
Errrr...

If Tom DeLay has nothing to hide, then he simply needs to produce evidence against any allegations.

Hah, conservative whiners are coming out once again.

You did it to John Kerry, made a war hero look like the anti-christ and a AWOL service dodger look like the Pope. Why can't we do it?

Because we don't have the "moral imparitive" you do? HAH.

Edit: Both sides do it, what pisses me off is the actually way the letter is written, it dosen't address the allegations made by the leftists, just uses blanket statements to rally support. It's hypocritical.

Both sides smear campaign. Get over it.
Swimmingpool
06-04-2005, 17:10
Unscrupulous leftist media will huff and puff to breath life into any trivial or phony leftist complaint against any act of any powerful conservative, no matter how upright and innocent

That's how you think of the corrupt hypocrite Tom DeLay?
Kusarii
06-04-2005, 17:13
How can someone waffle so much in a direct letter to supporters, yet say so little?

Politicians...


What exactly is this political candidate accused of doing? You want to start a decent topic, give us more than blanket statements and pointless accusations.
Komani
06-04-2005, 17:14
Do you have any examples of this 'smear' campaign? It sounds like you weren't even aware there was one until you received the e-mail.
Vetalia
06-04-2005, 17:19
I will admit there are examples of corruption on both sides. However, the case of Tom Delay bothers me because he is using the sheer power he has in Congress to protect himself from penalty, and I think that there is a problem when anyone can commit ethics violations and escape without any real penalty. I greatly disagree with the "he's on our side and we have to support him right or wrong" and "anyone who criticises him is part of a smear campaign" rhetoric. (Next it'll be the "vast left-wing conspiracy :rolleyes: )
Cadillac-Gage
06-04-2005, 17:27
huh... Tom Delay. (tries to care, fails.) I'm sorry, but smear-campaigns are part-and-parcel of politics, and have been since Lincoln was demonized in th 1860 elections at minimum.
If Mr. DeLay did not do what he is accused of (No politician is truly innocent), he can silence his critics by destroying their 'evidence' in public. (hell, he can do that if he's guilty!) It is a given that the Dems will try to demolish the good name and reputation of any prominent Republican (except John McCain, who's a RINO*), and the Conservative movement doesn't need weaklings at the helm-let the man fight his own battles.

If he did do what he is accused of doing, he can still defeat them on his own-if he is actually worthy of the position he holds.

If he's too vulnerable, then he's useless, and should be removed. It's a hard thing for some to accept, but it's true. If Slick Willie could get away with covering for McDonnell Douglas when they sold MIRV technology and Missile-Guidance data to Red Frikkin' China (What he Should have been impeached for, instead of the blowjob), Tom Delay can deal with what amounts to a minor political witchunt.

*Republican In Name Only
Occidio Multus
06-04-2005, 17:30
Do you have any examples of this 'smear' campaign? It sounds like you weren't even aware there was one until you received the e-mail.
some people arent aware of a LOT of things in life, including their political standpoint. dont bite this bait. i doubt its a real letter from the actual person.
Drunk commies reborn
06-04-2005, 17:33
Tom DeLay does a good enough job smearing his own reputation. He doesn't need help from anybody else.
Swimmingpool
06-04-2005, 17:36
the Conservative movement doesn't need weaklings at the helm-let the man fight his own battles.

...

*Republican In Name Only
Isn't "conservative movement" an oxymoron?

What exactly is a Republican In Name Only?
Vetalia
06-04-2005, 17:40
What exactly is a Republican In Name Only?

Generally, it's a person who is a member of the Republican Party who takes positions on issues that are generally to the left/center and are in accordance with the views of the Democratic Party, so that would be the definition of a RINO. I never understood it, since I find it kind of exclusionary to those who hold center/left positions on certain issues like myself. Also, a D.I.N.O. is the opposite version.
Swimmingpool
06-04-2005, 17:51
Generally, it's a person who is a member of the Republican Party who takes positions on issues that are generally to the left/center and are in accordance with the views of the Democratic Party, so that would be the definition of a RINO. I never understood it, since I find it kind of exclusionary to those who hold center/left positions on certain issues like myself. Also, a D.I.N.O. is the opposite version.
Brilliant. Sounds like the Republicans' custom-made way of expelling the libertarian wing of the party.
Cadillac-Gage
06-04-2005, 17:58
Isn't "conservative movement" an oxymoron?

What exactly is a Republican In Name Only?

Generally, a RINO is a Republican, whose main defining characteristics include, but are not limited to, embracing of the other party's platform, opposition to your own party's platform, attacking supporters of your own party in favour of protecting/promoting the other side, and running as a Republican because if you were a democrat, you wouldn't be able to win an election in your home state.
John McCain is, in many ways, more of a Liberal Democrat than Joe Liebermann, but he runs as a Republican, because in Arizona, Democrats aren't very popular folks.
Check out his Legislative record, he's soft on defense, hardline on Gun-Control (in Favour), he votes consistently in lockstep with the democrats on nearly every issue-even ones that put him directly at odds with the rest of the party, and at times, on issues that directly harm the interests of his home state.
It's one thing to be a 'moderate', it's entirely something else when it comes out reflexive. McCain is trying to woo the press, I guess, by being more Democrat than many Democrats, but generally, when you pick a party, it's because you believe in some of what they stand for. John McCain consistently tries to out-dem the Dems, and should 'switch'. (hey, it was good for Ben Campbell-he was re-elected three times after going from the Dems to the GOP in 1994.)
Until he does, he is a Republican In Name Only (i.e. he's a Liberal Democrat with an uppercase "R" next to his name on CNN).


Ergo, he is a RINO, and uses false advertising to get elected.

(Liberal Republicans do exist-but McCain isn't a good example of one... The Governator is a good example of one. Liberal Republicans are more Libertarian on social issues, but still believe in maintaining a strong defense and proactive foreign policy. They vote like Reagan Democrats.)
Czardas
06-04-2005, 18:15
I recieved the following e-mail from the Conservative Party of New York. They got it from the ACU. Please do something about this! We cant let the left run this smear campaign! Its truly disgusting!

--

Dear Friend of ACU,

The liberal smear machine is out to destroy House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Please take a few moments to read the following Open Letter to Conservatives from ACU Board Member Morton Blackwell. Morton has been a great conservative leader for many, many years and I'm sure you will find his thoughts on the Left's campaign to Destroy DeLay to be invaluable.

ACU is committed to fighting and defeating this effort to demonize DeLay. With your help, and the help of millions of steadfast conservatives all across the country, we can stop the George Soros funded liberal smear machine dead in its tracks. The Left wants to "Newter" Tom DeLay the same way it did Newt Gingrich: with unfounded lies, baseless accusation, innuendo, and character assassination. We conservatives must not allow the Left to succeed.

Sincerely,

David A. Keene
Chairman



An Open Letter to Conservatives
by
Morton C. Blackwell

Fellow Conservatives,

I'm writing to ask you to join me in doing something effective against the leftist organizations and liberal media who have launched truly vicious attacks on U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.

They attack Tom DeLay for just one reason: Congressman DeLay is one of the most effective fighters for conservative principles.

Time and again, Majority Leader Tom DeLay manages the strategy which wins for conservatives in the narrowly divided House of Representatives.

I know personally that Tom Delay is almost obsessively careful to get good legal advice before he takes any step which might conceivably be questioned under the law or suspected as an infraction of House rules. None of the leftist uproar has contains any evidence he has done anything illegal or violated the House rules.

The only fire under all that smoke generated by the leftist attacks is their burning hatred of a good man.

Conservatives must respond with a richly deserved attack on leftist groups and liberal media trying to lynch Tom DeLay. That's why I'm writing to you.

And you and I must do all we can to make sure any politician who hopes to have conservative support in the future had better be in the forefront as we attack those who attack Tom DeLay.

Media and organizations who would let left wingers get away with almost anything are trying to generate a feeding frenzy against DeLay. No matter what he does, they attack him. Not content to make mountains out of mole hills, they invent mole hills to make mountains.

If Tom DeLay preferred Fords to Chevrolets or Chevrolets to Fords, the leftists would gin up reasons to attack his preference either way.

Unscrupulous leftist media will huff and puff to breath life into any trivial or phony leftist complaint against any act of any powerful conservative, no matter how upright and innocent. And they'll keep doing this until a public reaction begins to embarrass and damage those spreading the propaganda.

You've seen this all your life.

They tried without success to generate a feeding frenzy against Ronald Reagan for many years. They tried it without success against George W. Bush's reelection. Now they're trying it against Tom DeLay.

Prominent newspapers have run a dozen almost identical stories, re-hashing the same foggy complaints, each with a different headline. After all those outrageous, repetitious attacks, the liberal news media have the gall to say that he has become controversial.
It's clear that major liberal print and broadcast media have assigned full-time reporters in this concerted effort to "get" Tom DeLay.

The "non-partisan" leftist groups that attacked President Bush all last year and those groups' big donors are now pouring resources into the current anti-DeLay effort.

Make no mistake about it, their purpose is to damage or destroy any effective conservative. If the attacks succeed, the left eliminates an enemy and tends to discourage any other conservative who is effective.

You and I must not let the left get away with this.

That's why I'm writing to you -- to ask that you make an immediate and sustained effort to stop the left from destroying this outstanding, successful, honorable conservative leader.

Earlier this month, at my personal expense, I had printed up some hundreds of lapel stickers which read, "Hooray for DeLay." I distributed them to eager conservatives at political meetings. But much more can and ought to be done.

Here are three important things you can do:

First, vigorously respond to the onslaught by leftist groups and the liberal media. Attack the attackers for their outrageous bias and point out the real reason they are attacking Tom DeLay: He is one of our most effective conservative leaders.

Second, ask the leaders of any conservative organization you know what they are doing to uphold Tom DeLay against the vicious attacks against him. They should activate their members, readers, donors, viewers, and listeners.

Even non-profit groups can do many things helpful to Tom DeLay without endangering their tax status.

Virtually every conservative cause has benefited greatly from the devotion and skill of Tom DeLay. He fights our battles beside us. We owe him our strongest support now.

Third, and perhaps most powerful, by letter, phone call, email, or personal visit, ask the Republican Members of Congress from your state and others Members you know what they are doing to attack those who are mounting the biased, unfair attacks on Tom DeLay. They will listen to you.

Ultimately, the purpose of all the left's attacks is to remove Tom from his position of leadership. That's why they are doing this. They must not succeed.

Please don't get bogged down answering all the absurd, groundless attacks. The left can and will raise phony new issues faster than you can respond to the old ones. Congressman DeLay has fully and publicly dealt with these false or nit-picky issues.

Focus your attention on attacking his ill-motivated attackers -- and encourage others to do what is right and stand beside Tom DeLay.

Morton C. Blackwell



David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union, is a managing associate with the Carmen Group, a D.C.-based governmental affairs firm

Wait a minute. You haven't told us what exactly the liberals are accusing Tom DeLay of. If Morton C. Blackwell mentioned exactly how the liberals are trying to "ruin" his reputation, his letter would be more convincing to me and anyone else who reads it.

Also, mudslinging during election campaigns is so common, I don't see why the House Majority Leader requires a special letter about mudslinging opposition to him. Democrats and Republicans have been accusing each other of all kinds of ridiculous things since the 1800's (one of the most famous is a campaign against President Grover Cleveland). Needless to say, most of them are not true or exaggerated versions of the truth, but the letter loses most of its drive when it omits the actual accusations against House Majority Leader DeLay.
Ziklorpqqqqqqqqqqq
06-04-2005, 18:17
Yours is a cynical view of RINOs. Perhaps you are not likely to concede the point that some Republicans out there are not willing to go the way of the current leadership. This is not a fault of this group, but the way that some of them see to stand with the traditional Republican stance on several issues. A great deal of the current leadership's agenda is more Neocon than Conservative, and is at odds with the traditional Republican goals of smaller government. Traditional Republican small government traditionalists wince at newfound intrusions on personal freedoms, regardless of so-called "moral values" and would not be likely to support a jump into unnecessary war. On top of this, the current push to "reform" academia by pushing for affirmative action for Conservatives in the classroom. Free market based posturing of the past would show this hypocrisy, as would a cursory look into the attempt to intervene into the medical condition of Terri Schiavo. Those who view opposition to particular policy goals as automatic support for the other party undermine the debate and thereby call for a government that is only concerned with itself and not each individual constituency. Therefore the latest comments on McCain are not only disingenuous but absurd.
The Internet Tough Guy
06-04-2005, 18:44
DeLay is a career advancing politician of the worst kind. I would like to see Republicans work to oust him themselves. His rabble and christian rousing tactics, and alleged campaign violations exemplify all the things I despise about both parties.
Cadillac-Gage
06-04-2005, 18:58
Yours is a cynical view of RINOs. Perhaps you are not likely to concede the point that some Republicans out there are not willing to go the way of the current leadership. This is not a fault of this group, but the way that some of them see to stand with the traditional Republican stance on several issues. A great deal of the current leadership's agenda is more Neocon than Conservative, and is at odds with the traditional Republican goals of smaller government. Traditional Republican small government traditionalists wince at newfound intrusions on personal freedoms, regardless of so-called "moral values" and would not be likely to support a jump into unnecessary war. On top of this, the current push to "reform" academia by pushing for affirmative action for Conservatives in the classroom. Free market based posturing of the past would show this hypocrisy, as would a cursory look into the attempt to intervene into the medical condition of Terri Schiavo. Those who view opposition to particular policy goals as automatic support for the other party undermine the debate and thereby call for a government that is only concerned with itself and not each individual constituency. Therefore the latest comments on McCain are not only disingenuous but absurd.


Bush is not a Conservative, but he is a Republican-just circa 1950's or so. a big-government Eisenhauer/Joe McCarthy Republican. Given the chance, a lot of Conservatives wouldn't support him, precisely because of crap like the Patriot Act, Faith-Based INitiatives, and the whole Schiavo crap.
(though cleaning up the mess we made in the middle-east in the past is pretty hard to object to, if you accept that you're responsible for who you support...)
McCain isn't. It's one thing to object, even to object strenuously, on policy issues-but John McCain is NOT loyal opposition material, and he's just as (if not more) big-Government as Bush is. But on the left, instead of the centre.
The guy isn't Centre-Left, he's Left-Left, and should switch to the party he has consistently, over twenty years, voted in lockstep with instead of claiming something he never was, it would be the honest thing to do, and might grant the current generation of Democrats a bit of what they have been missing-a liberal who can point to his military service with pride, and without gilding the lilly and making up rambo stories.
Swimmingpool
06-04-2005, 20:09
McCain isn't Centre-Left, he's Left-Left, and should switch to the party he has consistently, over twenty years, voted in lockstep with instead of claiming something he never was, it would be the honest thing to do, and might grant the current generation of Democrats a bit of what they have been missing-a liberal who can point to his military service with pride, and without gilding the lilly and making up rambo stories.
Don't worry. I'm sure that his military service will become dishonourable soon after joining the Dems. ;)
Bottle
06-04-2005, 20:15
Democrats! Progressives! Anybody who doesn't like the GOP! We Need To Take Action!

guys, we need to keep DeLay around. he's a lodestone, an albatross, an anchor around the neck of the right wing. his consistent, glaring, laughably obvious contempt for anything approaching ethical behavior is doing serious damage to the GOP and the right wing by association. he needs to be kept in the public eye, so his embarassing behavior can continue to cripple his party and his radical end of the political spectrum.
Cadillac-Gage
06-04-2005, 20:16
Don't worry. I'm sure that his military service will become dishonourable soon after joining the Dems. ;)

Somehow, I think even the most radical elements in the Republican Party would quail at the idea of attacking a guy who sat in the Hanoi Hilton as a 'guest' of the NVA. See, unlike Kerry, McCain doesn't have to pretend he did anything of note, he's not a barroom rambo who tells 'war stories'. (War Stories are like Sea Stories-99% fiction.)
Evil Woody Thoughts
06-04-2005, 20:24
Tom DeLay would have a lot more credibility if he didn't have THREE pending indictments against his underlings for alledged fundraising violations. These indictments are being issued in TEXAS mind you, not in the Ninth Circuit; I certainly don't think the Texas courts are involved in the eeeeeeeeeeeevil librul conspiracy :rolleyes:
Evil Woody Thoughts
06-04-2005, 20:25
Democrats! Progressives! Anybody who doesn't like the GOP! We Need To Take Action!

guys, we need to keep DeLay around. he's a lodestone, an albatross, an anchor around the neck of the right wing. his consistent, glaring, laughably obvious contempt for anything approaching ethical behavior is doing serious damage to the GOP and the right wing by association. he needs to be kept in the public eye, so his embarassing behavior can continue to cripple his party and his radical end of the political spectrum.

Hey, good idea. :D
The Cat-Tribe
06-04-2005, 21:24
I recieved the following e-mail from the Conservative Party of New York. They got it from the ACU. Please do something about this! We cant let the left run this smear campaign! Its truly disgusting!




Please, please Republicans and Conservatives, don't rally round Tom DeLay.

Don't throw us liberals and Democrats in that briar patch! ;)
DHomme
06-04-2005, 21:27
I had sex with Tom DeLay.
Myrmidonisia
06-04-2005, 21:49
Errrr...

You did it to John Kerry, made a war hero look like the anti-christ and a AWOL service dodger look like the Pope. Why can't we do it?

Because Kerry is a liar and a coward and Bush isn't.

Didn't Kerry promise to release all his service records a couple months ago? I need to look...

Yes, he did (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6886726/)

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: But everything, Tim...

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will.
Evil Arch Conservative
06-04-2005, 21:54
Tom DeLay is a moron. He's the antithesis of the libertarian side of the Republican party. Well, not quite. Technically the antithesis of a libertarian is an authoritarian socialist but that's neither here nor there. I know that religion in politics is inevitable. I don't really care if politicians talk big about how Christian they are. The moment that they actually try to mix religion into government, however, is the time that I start to get angry. The constitution doesn't really say that there is a right to be free from religion, but that's because the founding fathers were convinced that there is a god and thus their idea of rights were built upon the idea of a higher being to give life to certain rights. Certainly god would not give you the right not to worship him if the whole basis of religion is worship of god. Perhaps the freedom, but not the right. Since this is where the framers of the constitution derived rights, anyone that is an American and says they have 'freedom from religion' guaranteed by the bill of rights is dead wrong. However, this doctrine of rights is hinged on the existance of god. Since Thomas Aquinas's proofs of god are long since disproven there's been nothing to substantiate the existance or non-existance of a god. As such, I do not think that we should allow something that is possibly a figment of our imagination to be the source of our rights. We should instead let society evolve on its own. And that's why I think Tom DeLay is a moron.

I'd like to echo the comments that said that this open letter gave neither real incentive to fight for Tom DeLay nor did it actually give anything to fight against. Oh, sure, the liberal media. What liberal media outlets? All of them? Define liberal media outlet. There are many appeals to pity and much prejudicial language in this letter but little substance.
Great Beer and Food
06-04-2005, 22:06
I recieved the following e-mail from the Conservative Party of New York. They got it from the ACU. Please do something about this! We cant let the left run this smear campaign! Its truly disgusting!

--snip--



Dude, the so called "liberal smear machine" doesn't need to do jack shit to make Delay look bad, he already did enough with his own actions. Not only is he a soft money peddling thief, but his recent hypocritial actions in the Shiavo debacle make him look like an even bigger ass when it comes to light that he agreed to pull the plug on his own father.

Delay is ethically challenged. He has no place in this government, and that has nothing to do with his political affiliation and everything to do with his behavior.

And believe me, all you republicans lining up to defend Delay will be nothing more than lemmings throwing yourselves after Delay's sinking ship. No one will ever take you seriously again.
Matchopolis
06-04-2005, 22:10
Did I hear someone say John Kerry was a War Hero? I wouldn't have wanted to go to Vietnam. I do not wish to be a position to take another's life. Hats off to him for signing up but...

On the Dick Cavett show talking about his April 1971 testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee...

"I did take part in free-fire zones, I did take part in harassment and interdiction fire, I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground."

Imagine you're a Vietnamese peasant. Worrying about landmines in your ricefields, stuck in a war between two competing socioeconomic systems of government you're unfamiliar with, praying the overflying B-52's target is far from your home, extorted by the Veit Cong and then here comes John Kerry's gunboat. He burns down your house. Wipe away the soot, stand and salute...that man's a hero! That's not very good PR.
DrunkenDove
06-04-2005, 22:43
<snip>

Could you not quote the entire opening post?
Straughn
07-04-2005, 01:30
I thought i might add something pertinent, something new
(how 'bout something borrowed, something blue?)
-Italics mine btw-

DeLay's family paid $500,000 by PAC since '01
by Philip Shenon, NY TIMES (Week of April 6, 2005)

WASHINGTON - The wife and daughter of Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, have been paid more than $500,000 since 2001 be DeLay's political action and campaign committees, according to a detailed review of disclosure statements filed with the Federal Election Commission and separate fund-raising records in DeLay's home state of Texas.
Most of the payments to his wife, Christine A. DeLay, and his only child, Dani DeLay Ferro, were described in the disclosure forms as "fund-raising fees," "campaign management," or "payroll," with no additional information about how they earned the money.
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DeLay's national political action committee, Americans for a Republican Majority, or Armpac, said in a statement Tuesday that the two women had provided valuable services to the committee in exchange for the payments: "Mrs. DeLay provides big picture, long-term strategic guidance and helps with personnel decisions. Ms. Ferro is a skilled and experienced professional event planner who assists Armpac in arranging and organizing individual events."
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The executive director of Americans for a Republican Majority and a key fund-raiser for the committee were indicted in Texas last year on illegal fund-raising charges, and prosecutors there have refused to rule out the possibility of charges against DeLay in the continuing inquiry.
The payments to DeLay's family have continued into 2005; the latest monthly disclosure statement filed by Americans for a Republican Majority shows that Christine DeLay was paid $4,028 last month, while Ferro received $3,681.
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Ferro has also helped manage her father's charity operations. Financial disclosure statements filed by DeLay's House campaign committees, which are separate from Americans for a Republican Majority, show that Ferro and her political consulting firm, Coastal Consulting of Sugar Land, Texas, received $222,000 from 2001 through last year reflecting her role in the re-election campaigns.
Dakota Land
07-04-2005, 01:43
How can someone waffle so much in a direct letter to supporters, yet say so little?

Politicians...


What exactly is this political candidate accused of doing? You want to start a decent topic, give us more than blanket statements and pointless accusations.

Well, he did Gerrymander against the democrats in Texas, so that they could get more seats. He forced Democrats to sign. What happened was that the democrats refused to sign the gerrymander, and left, DeLay then organized search parties to go find the Democrats, which is illegal. Thus, DeLay is a criminal

Liberal smear machine? gimme a break. If you call letting the truth out smearing your beloved conservitive's career. It's just as if you are saying "don't confuse me with the facts"
Aeruillin
07-04-2005, 01:50
I don't know what possessed someone to post a conservative call-to-action mail to this forum, but just for the irony of it, I guess I'll make sure to return the favour when I next get a mail from ACLU. :p
Dakota Land
07-04-2005, 01:50
Because Kerry is a liar and a coward and Bush isn't.

Didn't Kerry promise to release all his service records a couple months ago? I need to look...

Yes, he did (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6886726/)

OMG OMG OMG
BEST THING THAT EVERY HAPENED
BUSH IS NOT A LIAR
um.......
must I list all the crap he's told America and the lies he's said?
I'm sure plenty of other people can do it
anybody who pays attention to actions more than words
see, if you look at his words -
"freedom's on the march"
"I've made no mistakes" (he didn't actually say that, he just didn't reply when asked if he had made any mistakes. "maybe one or two appointments..." man, I didn't know Iraq wasn't a mistake. You MEANT it to go that way?)
Meanwhile, the conservatives attacked Kerry over flip-flopping about owning an SUV
and all you I-hate-kerry-cuz-he-flip-flops people, Bush flipped on the Social Security thing. Among other things. And I like the name of the guy who started this thread. It's so beffiting... Facist America. Yeah, you got something right
Dakota Land
07-04-2005, 01:56
Did I hear someone say John Kerry was a War Hero? I wouldn't have wanted to go to Vietnam. I do not wish to be a position to take another's life. Hats off to him for signing up but...

On the Dick Cavett show talking about his April 1971 testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee...

"I did take part in free-fire zones, I did take part in harassment and interdiction fire, I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground."

Imagine you're a Vietnamese peasant. Worrying about landmines in your ricefields, stuck in a war between two competing socioeconomic systems of government you're unfamiliar with, praying the overflying B-52's target is far from your home, extorted by the Veit Cong and then here comes John Kerry's gunboat. He burns down your house. Wipe away the soot, stand and salute...that man's a hero! That's not very good PR.

And Bush is not guilty of these? he didn't actually kill these people himself... that would make him look bad... but don't you thik that by sending missles into Iraq, he would kill people somehow? I heard about one case where a US airplane bombed a wedding. All were killed except the bride. You wouldn't call that a massacre? And in Guantanamo, the situation is even worse than Abu Grahib was. Lots o' torture there. When one guy read the geneva conventions in Arabic and asked why they weren't being given their rights, the american soldier he was asking said "The rules don't apply here." Personally, I would blame the politicians and not the soldiers. Bush didn't want to let Red Cross into Guantanamo for a reason. He was fine with what was going on there, and he didn't want anyone to make him look bad.
Swimmingpool
07-04-2005, 01:59
Somehow, I think even the most radical elements in the Republican Party would quail at the idea of attacking a guy who sat in the Hanoi Hilton as a 'guest' of the NVA. See, unlike Kerry, McCain doesn't have to pretend he did anything of note, he's not a barroom rambo who tells 'war stories'. (War Stories are like Sea Stories-99% fiction.)
I'm not going to try to pretend to defend any Democrats, but i found your implication that no Democrats had honourable war records, but that Republicans did, to be quite telling.

Because Kerry is a liar and a coward and Bush isn't.

And thus i put you, yes you, in the NS Partisan Idiots 'n' Hacks Bin!

They're both cowardly liars.
Aquinion
07-04-2005, 02:03
I've noticed a certain difference in the way the media is treated by Republicans depending on what they report on.

When there are reporters embedded with troops in a ground war: Brave, patriotic Americans willing to die to bring the truth.

When the possible monetary michief of the Majority leader is reported: A left-wing, liberal-run smear machine dedicated to bringing down an innocent man who wouldn't misuse a penny he found on the street, much less money for a campaign

Just something I've seen lately...
Unistate
07-04-2005, 02:15
"I've made no mistakes" (he didn't actually say that, he just didn't reply when asked if he had made any mistakes. "maybe one or two appointments..." man, I didn't know Iraq wasn't a mistake. You MEANT it to go that way?)

Whilst it could doubtless be going better, it's not going wrong, either. It's just you liberals and your rose-colored ideas that all we had to do was beat Saddam, and that Iraq would instantly become an industrial and economic powerhouse, fully understanding democratic institutions and doing their best to avoid corruption.

As I would say were I speaking with my Northern Irish accent; 'Wise up, yis eejits.'
Cadillac-Gage
07-04-2005, 05:48
I'm not going to try to pretend to defend any Democrats, but i found your implication that no Democrats had honourable war records, but that Republicans did, to be quite telling.


And thus i put you, yes you, in the NS Partisan Idiots 'n' Hacks Bin!

They're both cowardly liars.

Well... I wouldn't say McCain is a coward or a liar, and he is a left-wing politician. (based on voting and sponsorship of bills). Kerry, on the other hand, was a remarkable case of bad judgement. There Are Honourable Democrats, the problem is, they're not in a position of prominence within the Party. A McCain 'switch' could bring them to the fore, and restore a lot of lost credibility to the Liberal wing of government.
Credibility that was lost by the selection of John (f***ing) Kerry as the spokesman for the party. (Hint: it's better to have a genuine product than a phony macho-man. People voted for Clinton-twice, because he did not pretend to be what he was not-a Southern Politician who was a genuine war-protester, rather than a false-hero who betrayed his comrades in arms.)

as for DeLay: the big difference between the two parties, is that Tom DeLay will be thrown to the wolves, and he certainly deserves to be. If you think the Democrats are unforgiving, Republicans are...worse.
Sumamba Buwhan
07-04-2005, 05:57
i forgot who said it but if satan was real and came to our plane to head an organization of lies to leas the world into hell, that organization would be called the christian coalition.

I think his right hand man would be someone just like tom deLay
Sumamba Buwhan
07-04-2005, 06:05
oh and

http://rawilson.com/images/coulter.jpg