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Let me just say this: I'm an Agnostic and I don't give much credence to superstition and prophecy.... but this makes me wonder:

Back in 1094, in Ireland, St. Malachy wrote a prophecy briefly describing the next 112 Popes. For Pope John Paul II his entry in the list refers to him with a Latin phrase meaning: "from the labor of the sun". This phrase is commonly associated with solar eclipses.

Pope John Paul II was born during the solar eclipse of May 18th, 1920. In fact, according to the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Eclipse home page: (http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEcat/SE1901-2000.html) it was the largest solar eclipse of the 20th century with a magnitude of 0.9734.

Okay... I know. This could just be a coincidence... but look at this:

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/05/solar.eclipse.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest) says there is going to be another solar eclipse on Friday - The day the of the Pope's funeral.

Yeah, I know this doesn't prove a damn thing, but it is interesting. A priest 900+ years ago associates JP2 with a solar eclipse and we end up getting a Pope that is the only one in history born under a solar eclipse, then he ends up being buried on the day of another one. That's a pretty huge coincidence.

Meh. I've seen it so many times before. Some nut job writes down some unspecific "prophecy" that can mean anything, and then those of, shall we say, less cynicism try to make everything fit into the "prophecy", in this case not realising that solar eclipses aren't that rare at all.

You should see some of the other ludicrous ways they try to make other popes fit into this. Quite laughable.

Oh, and it's spelled "atheist".

Hmm you get impressed by this but not water turned into wine??? :confused:

"From the l;abour of the sun" doesn't really talk about eclipses does it? It seems just sun related really so I think it's a bit of a tenuous link.

so wait, we're supposed to "blink" because a very vague description happens to slightly line up with a course of real events?

okay, fair enough, i'll blink...just as soon as the religious and superstitious folk "blink" at all the prophesies and portents that turn out to be pure bunk. they've got a lot of eyelid fluttering to do.

I'd like to see this Malachi dude's track record with the other popes. There's all sorts of prophecies that are spookily accurate at first glance, but you soon see that whoever came up with them also wrote a vast quantity that are either totally wrong (like Nostradamus) or so vague they can be fitted to just about anything (Nosty again). With such a volume of crap there's boud to be a few hits.

Hmm you get impressed by this but not water turned into wine??? :confused:

Difference being:

None of us were THERE to watch the water into wine trick. It's in a book (and obviously as atheists we're not going to be impressed by you saying 'Christ turned water into wine' over and over). Whereas we're all HERE to watch these eclipses and to notice the connection to JP II.

I'm also a bit sceptical. Eclipses are ridiculously common - it's just that the orbit and size of the Moon mean we don't all see them at once from different parts of Earth. It's why people got all excited when eclipses happened in those days - they didn't know how common they were, and besides it looks weird.

And besides, didn't the Vatican CHOOSE when to bury him? Not exactly a miracle then, because part of it relies on the independent actions (intentional or not so) of people.

Let me just say this: I'm an Agnostic and I don't give much credence to superstition and prophecy.... but this makes me wonder:

Back in 1094, in Ireland, St. Malachy wrote a prophecy briefly describing the next 112 Popes. For Pope John Paul II his entry in the list refers to him with a Latin phrase meaning: "from the labor of the sun". This phrase is commonly associated with solar eclipses.

Pope John Paul II was born during the solar eclipse of May 18th, 1920. In fact, according to the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Eclipse home page: (http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEcat/SE1901-2000.html) it was the largest solar eclipse of the 20th century with a magnitude of 0.9734.

Okay... I know. This could just be a coincidence... but look at this:

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/05/solar.eclipse.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest) says there is going to be another solar eclipse on Friday - The day the of the Pope's funeral.

Yeah, I know this doesn't prove a damn thing, but it is interesting. A priest 900+ years ago associates JP2 with a solar eclipse and we end up getting a Pope that is the only one in history born under a solar eclipse, then he ends up being buried on the day of another one. That's a pretty huge coincidence.
yeah that is pretty cool

"From the l;abour of the sun" doesn't really talk about eclipses does it? It seems just sun related really so I think it's a bit of a tenuous link.

Even if there hadn't been a sun-related prophecy, the eclipse phenomenon is amazing. What are the odds?

I heard that after these 112 Popes the rapture is predicted and that all the Popes are chronologically listed by name (possibly this prophecy or another).

Even if there hadn't been a sun-related prophecy, the eclipse phenomenon is amazing. What are the odds?
Mark Twain was born the day Haley's comet went by, and died the day it returned (75 years later).

I'd like to see this Malachi dude's track record with the other popes. There's all sorts of prophecies that are spookily accurate at first glance, but you soon see that whoever came up with them also wrote a vast quantity that are either totally wrong (like Nostradamus) or so vague they can be fitted to just about anything (Nosty again). With such a volume of crap there's boud to be a few hits.

http://www.newagedirectory.com/pro/malachy.htm

http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Mark Twain was born the day Haley's comet went by, and died the day it returned (75 years later).

Sure he didn't just went home ?

112. The LAST POPE!
(Peter the Roman) "In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge the people. The End."


This is just two Popes away...

Let me just say this: I'm an Agnostic and I don't give much credence to superstition and prophecy.... but this makes me wonder:

Back in 1094, in Ireland, St. Malachy wrote a prophecy briefly describing the next 112 Popes. For Pope John Paul II his entry in the list refers to him with a Latin phrase meaning: "from the labor of the sun". This phrase is commonly associated with solar eclipses.

Pope John Paul II was born during the solar eclipse of May 18th, 1920. In fact, according to the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Eclipse home page: (http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEcat/SE1901-2000.html) it was the largest solar eclipse of the 20th century with a magnitude of 0.9734.

Okay... I know. This could just be a coincidence... but look at this:

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/05/solar.eclipse.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest) says there is going to be another solar eclipse on Friday - The day the of the Pope's funeral.

Yeah, I know this doesn't prove a damn thing, but it is interesting. A priest 900+ years ago associates JP2 with a solar eclipse and we end up getting a Pope that is the only one in history born under a solar eclipse, then he ends up being buried on the day of another one. That's a pretty huge coincidence.

Especially since this second solar eclipse can apparently be seen only from a number of places that 900 years ago were not even known to *exist* by the one who wrote the prophecy, being pretty much on the opposite side of the planet. :p

Also, you arrive at the number 2 only if you don't count the anti-popes. If you did, then John Paul II would be off the list already...

Difference being:

None of us were THERE to watch the water into wine trick. It's in a book (and obviously as atheists we're not going to be impressed by you saying 'Christ turned water into wine' over and over). Whereas we're all HERE to watch these eclipses and to notice the connection to JP II.

I'm also a bit sceptical. Eclipses are ridiculously common - it's just that the orbit and size of the Moon mean we don't all see them at once from different parts of Earth. It's why people got all excited when eclipses happened in those days - they didn't know how common they were, and besides it looks weird.

And besides, didn't the Vatican CHOOSE when to bury him? Not exactly a miracle then, because part of it relies on the independent actions (intentional or not so) of people.
Eh!

Let me just say this: I'm an Agnostic and I don't give much credence to superstition and prophecy.... but this makes me wonder:

Back in 1094, in Ireland, St. Malachy wrote a prophecy briefly describing the next 112 Popes. For Pope John Paul II his entry in the list refers to him with a Latin phrase meaning: "from the labor of the sun". This phrase is commonly associated with solar eclipses.

Pope John Paul II was born during the solar eclipse of May 18th, 1920. In fact, according to the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Eclipse home page: (http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEcat/SE1901-2000.html) it was the largest solar eclipse of the 20th century with a magnitude of 0.9734.

Okay... I know. This could just be a coincidence... but look at this:

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/05/solar.eclipse.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest) says there is going to be another solar eclipse on Friday - The day the of the Pope's funeral.

Yeah, I know this doesn't prove a damn thing, but it is interesting. A priest 900+ years ago associates JP2 with a solar eclipse and we end up getting a Pope that is the only one in history born under a solar eclipse, then he ends up being buried on the day of another one. That's a pretty huge coincidence.

Sigh,

Its like nostradmous quatrains, make them open enough and hell anything could fit it.
Eventually there will be a solar or Luna (neither apart from complete ones are that rare.) or planetary alignment on a popes birthday or whatever, its just probability.

Im a Atheist, im not blinking, not one iota.

I’m an unexplained buff, so I know that there are also tons of prophecies from pagans and non-Christians. I'm not saying your prophecy isn't interesting, just that prophecy isn't exclusively Catholic.

As an agnostic, it hasn't made me lean towards religion

There are more than 6.5 billion people on this planet. With such a large group, the odds of such an occurance happening increase. Also, Pope John Paul II isn't the only person that this works for. I bet you that there are dozens of other people who were born that same day and will be buried that same day.

I blinked, but I blame that on staring at a computer screen for too long :)

I think I blink when I laugh. If so, I blinked a lot. ;)

The next Pope's thingy is 'The Glory of the Olive'..........how exciting!

Mark Twain was born the day Haley's comet went by, and died the day it returned (75 years later).

Mark Twain is the best.

There are more than 6.5 billion people on this planet. With such a large group, the odds of such an occurance happening increase. Also, Pope John Paul II isn't the only person that this works for. I bet you that there are dozens of other people who were born that same day and will be buried that same day.

yes but your forgetting that part of the prophecy states what NUMBER pope he is, and personally i find that to be a little to....conspicuous(spelling?) but to each his own, and im not gonna bother trying to argue my beliefs im just here to state those not already spoken.(or at least the minority)

I would like to sincerely thank all the Atheasts here for helping me through a tough time recently. As you know, I am an Agnostic(Thank G-d!), and not at all superstitious(knock-wood!).

The death of the Pope, my continued struggle with masturbation, and the whole Schaivo conundrum have sort of come together in a kind of "perfect storm" and rattled my lack of belief structure. I hit rock-bottom last night, when I made that drunken post about prophecy. I didn't even remember it until I saw it again today.

I so doubted my lack of belief, that I actually fooled myself into believing that I believed something. Believe me, that's a place you don't want to go!

Well anyway.... I just want to say thanks again to you Godless posters. I love you guys!

Mark Twain is the best.Ever read "Letters from Earth"? I think it's my favorite, of all his work.

Technically speaking, the way the death of a pope is handled isnt so much set by people instead by precident/rules/"laws" according the faith, he's gotta be shown for 4-6 (9?) days or something after he dies, than buried and alot that stuff has been set in scripture or something for a while. I know I'm not too helpful here,, but its second hand info I got from a buncha religous ppl i know and what not so it may not be so correct.
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Technically speaking, the way the death of a pope is handled isnt so much set by people instead by precident/rules/"laws" according the faith, he's gotta be shown for 4-6 (9?) days or something after he dies, than buried and alot that stuff has been set in scripture or something for a while. I know I'm not too helpful here,, but its second hand info I got from a buncha religous ppl i know and what not so it may not be so correct.
r_f/m_h

That's why the death of Pope John Paul I was contraversial I think. I could be wrong, but I believe that his body was not put up for public display, no autopsy was done and he was cremated rather than buried.

Let me just say this: I'm an Agnostic and I don't give much credence to superstition and prophecy.... but this makes me wonder:

Back in 1094, in Ireland, St. Malachy wrote a prophecy briefly describing the next 112 Popes. For Pope John Paul II his entry in the list refers to him with a Latin phrase meaning: "from the labor of the sun". This phrase is commonly associated with solar eclipses.

Pope John Paul II was born during the solar eclipse of May 18th, 1920. In fact, according to the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Eclipse home page: (http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEcat/SE1901-2000.html) it was the largest solar eclipse of the 20th century with a magnitude of 0.9734.

Okay... I know. This could just be a coincidence... but look at this:

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/05/solar.eclipse.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest) says there is going to be another solar eclipse on Friday - The day the of the Pope's funeral.

Yeah, I know this doesn't prove a damn thing, but it is interesting. A priest 900+ years ago associates JP2 with a solar eclipse and we end up getting a Pope that is the only one in history born under a solar eclipse, then he ends up being buried on the day of another one. That's a pretty huge coincidence.

Hmm. Interesting. While I believe all coincidences can be explained...this one is a wee bit...erm...ah...gotta go!

Mark Twain was born the day Haley's comet went by, and died the day it returned (75 years later).Bit of a bu**er for him, never getting the chance to appreciate it, eh?

What is also interested that the name John Paul is a taken name, not the pope's original name. He might just have wanted to make a saint get it straight.