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I was just wondering for the Nsers Age, Sex and RL Location (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=410422&page=1&pp=15) thread, would you prefer me to categorise people but general nation (i.e. England, scotland, n.ireland etc)? or would you rather lump the whole lot as UK and then just put the city name? (City name is going in regardless unless requested otherwise)

Just do what I do: Take England, Wales, Scotland, Northern and Southern Ireland, etc. and just call it England. Everyone will know what you mean.

Just do what I do: Take England, Wales, Scotland, Northern and Southern Ireland, etc. and just call it England. Everyone will know what you mean.

Yeah, good way to get me killed, or worse, shunned :eek:

I was just wondering for the thingy with peoples info, would you prefer me to categorise people but general nation (i.e. England, scotland, n.ireland etc)? or would you rather lump the whole lot as UK and then just put the city name? (City name is going in regardless unless requested otherwise)

Hows about "UK (<insert nation here>)" Nice and simple that way, you please everyone...

First, you have to decide what you mean by "nation". a territorial, an ethnic, a religious identity or group of people linked together based on a notion of citizenship.

Sometimes it's better to be recognised as the UK, other times it's better to be recognised as your respective country.

Just do what I do: Take England, Wales, Scotland, Northern and Southern Ireland, etc. and just call it England. Everyone will know what you mean.
Southern Ireland has been an independent state since 1922 and a Republic since 1949. Learn some history, Pepe.

Just do what I does.

<<<<

Wales, UK
England, UK
Scotland, UK
N.Ireland, UK

etc

Just do what I does.

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Wales, UK
England, UK
Scotland, UK
N.Ireland, UK

etc
There's an etc?

There's an etc?

Well you can tag the city on before that if you like, but I get your point :p

There's an etc?
Isle of man
Isle of dogs
Jersy
Guernsey

So far as foreigners are concerned, there is only the United Kingdom. I'm proud of our unity. Besides, using the other names just confuses Americans :p. I just wish people would learn the difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom.

As far as foreigners are concerned there's just England. They don't understand it at all, or at least the ones I've met don't. I've spent many an hour patently trying to explain it all...

As far as foreigners are concerned there's just England. They don't understand it at all, or at least the ones I've met don't. I've spent many an hour patently trying to explain it all...

Well I meant politically speaking; none of the members of the UK have any sort of individual foreign affairs capabilities SFAIK. It's the UK you deal with. I didn't account for the various things people 'think' it's called :D. I once knew a fellow on the Internet who didn't think Wales was physically connected to England, so I don't hold out much hope for them...

I've known of Americans who thought England was a city in the USA somewhere, so I think we might as well give up :)

:eek: jesus definetly not UK !!!

i prefer to be called irish anyday. plus yanks no what ya mean when you say your irish. Plus often in my experience it is better to say you are from ireland than england

:eek: jesus definetly not UK !!!

i prefer to be called irish anyday. plus yanks no what ya mean when you say your irish. Plus often in my experience it is better to say you are from ireland than england

Well if you're actually from the Republic it wouldn't make much sense to say that you're from the UK... that would be like me saying I'm from Russia. And it would also make no sense to say you were from England if you were from Northern Ireland.

Although, to the people we were just talking about, it probably wouldn't make much difference if you said you were from Pluto...

I just wish people would learn the difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom.

In case you were not aware, there is no difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom as the official name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland.

In case you were not aware, there is no difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom as the official name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland.
Exactly, so there is a difference. Great Britain is the land mass containing England, Scotland and Wales. The United Kingdom is the unified Countries of England, Scotland, Wales AND Northern Ireland.

Just do what I does.

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Wales, UK
England, UK
Scotland, UK
N.Ireland, UK

etc

Makes sense to me!

Mark of Markreich,
Connecticut, USA

In case you were not aware, there is no difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom as the official name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland.

See what I mean?

I prefer Britian, considering its the geographical and historic name for our country.

It only becuame the united kingdom officaial quite recenlty, basically when we had to stop calling our selves the British Empire.

Calling us all england espeically in Scotland and Wales, really really really pisses people off.

I'm not English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish - I am British

I've known of Americans who thought England was a city in the USA somewhere, so I think we might as well give up :)
I think there's an England in Canada...

In case you were not aware, there is no difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom as the official name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland.
Great Britain = England, Scotland, Wales
United Kingdom = England, Scotland, Wales (ie Great Britain) and Northern Ireland

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Im Northern Irish. although that confuses everybody outside of the UK and Ireland

Great Britain = England, Scotland, Wales
United Kingdom = England, Scotland, Wales (ie Great Britain) and Northern Ireland

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Im Northern Irish. although that confuses everybody outside of the UK and Ireland

Great Britain and the United Kingdom are one and the same. Both made up of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. :headbang:

Great Britain is the name of the largest island in the series of islands which come together to form the British Isles. England, Wales and Scotland are located on Great Britain, as well as a series of tiny islands that are generally lumped together with the whole.

Ireland is the second-largest island in the British Isles. Located on Ireland are the Republic of Ireland/Eire, and a part of the United Kingdom, called Northern Ireland.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland is a political entity consisting of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and the various smaller colonies and suchlike still left over from the Empire. It is spread across several islands, including Great Britain and Ireland, hence the full name of the United Kingdom.

England was a country, and some still consider it to be a country. No doubt many people from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland consider it to be the ruling country, but from a political point of view, it is merely the location of the United Kingdom's government -- there is no 'England' on the United Nations. Thus, so far as international politics are concerned, it is more of a state/borough than a country.
Wales was a country, and some still consider it to be a country. It has some degree of self-rule, but it is still ruled from Westminster, which in turn rules the United Kingdom. Thus, so far as international politics are concerned, it is more of a state/borough than a country.
Scotland was a country, and some still consider it to be a country. It has some degree of self-rule, but it is still ruled from Westminster, which in turn rules the United Kingdom. Thus, so far as international politics are concerned, it is more of a state/borough than a country.
Northern Ireland was never a country. It is a political division created when the Republic of Ireland was formed. It has some degree of domestic control, but it is still ruled from Westminster, which in turn rules the United Kingdom. Thus, so far as international politics are concerned, it is more of a state/borough than a country.

What about countys?

Great Britain and the United Kingdom are one and the same. Both made up of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. :headbang:
no, theyre not

Great Britain is the island consisting of England, Scotland and Wales

The United Kingdom is a country consisting of the three nations of Great Britain, plus Northern Ireland

hence Great Britain and Northern Ireland

if NI was in GB then it wouldnt need to be mentioned

I've known of Americans who thought England was a city in the USA somewhere, so I think we might as well give up :)

Only Americans? We have a Prime Minister who seems to think its a country found somewhere up GWB's bottom.

:headbang:

Only Americans? We have a Prime Minister who seems to think its a country found somewhere up GWB's bottom.

:headbang:
Have you heard his latest idea....to drag Britan over the atlantic and connect it to the USA j/k. Kenndy for PM

Great Britain and the United Kingdom are one and the same. Both made up of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. :headbang:The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Think about it. If NI were part of GB, the 'and Northern Ireland' part would be completely redundant. Great Britain encompasses England, Scotland and Wales, the UK encompasses these and Northern Ireland.

Edit: Oops, Nadkor already said something similar. Apologies for being a wee bit late on it :p

Great Britain is the name of the largest island in the series of islands which come together to form the British Isles. England, Wales and Scotland are located on Great Britain, as well as a series of tiny islands that are generally lumped together with the whole.

Ireland is the second-largest island in the British Isles. Located on Ireland are the Republic of Ireland/Eire, and a part of the United Kingdom, called Northern Ireland.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland is a political entity consisting of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and the various smaller colonies and suchlike still left over from the Empire. It is spread across several islands, including Great Britain and Ireland, hence the full name of the United Kingdom.

England was a country, and some still consider it to be a country. No doubt many people from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland consider it to be the ruling country, but from a political point of view, it is merely the location of the United Kingdom's government -- there is no 'England' on the United Nations. Thus, so far as international politics are concerned, it is more of a state/borough than a country.
Wales was a country, and some still consider it to be a country. It has some degree of self-rule, but it is still ruled from Westminster, which in turn rules the United Kingdom. Thus, so far as international politics are concerned, it is more of a state/borough than a country.
Scotland was a country, and some still consider it to be a country. It has some degree of self-rule, but it is still ruled from Westminster, which in turn rules the United Kingdom. Thus, so far as international politics are concerned, it is more of a state/borough than a country.
Northern Ireland was never a country. It is a political division created when the Republic of Ireland was formed. It has some degree of domestic control, but it is still ruled from Westminster, which in turn rules the United Kingdom. Thus, so far as international politics are concerned, it is more of a state/borough than a country.


I completely endorse this detailed and accurate summary of the situation, with one exception. The UK does NOT include the remaining dependent territories (the 'various smaller colonies and suchlike.'). They are not represented in Parliament, for example. I'm not even sure that the Channel Isles and the Isle of Man are part of the actual UK in a legal sense.

Therefore Great Britain is not the same as the UK, though 'British' is the generally used adjective, and 'Britain' is often used as shorthand rather than 'the UK.' A small query: do people from Northern Ireland call themselves 'British'? And are they 'British' citizens? I always assumed so, as they have identical legal rights, of course.

Therefore Great Britain is not the same as the UK, though 'British' is the generally used adjective, and 'Britain' is often used as shorthand rather than 'the UK.' A small query: do people from Northern Ireland call themselves 'British'? And are they 'British' citizens? I always assumed so, as they have identical legal rights, of course.
Usually. I'm fairly sure that you can apply for Irish citizenship, but I think only the most strong supporters of Irish Republicanism do so. I call myself British (except when talking to foreigners - far easier just to say you're Irish and not bothering with geopolitical explanations), and am a British citizen.

What about countys?

Counties are just... counties. What about them?

I completely endorse this detailed and accurate summary of the situation, with one exception. The UK does NOT include the remaining dependent territories (the 'various smaller colonies and suchlike.'). They are not represented in Parliament, for example. I'm not even sure that the Channel Isles and the Isle of Man are part of the actual UK in a legal sense.


My mistake. I wasn't thinking of the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man when I said that, but I just looked it up and found that the ones I was thinking of are dependencies too.

Therefore Great Britain is not the same as the UK, though 'British' is the generally used adjective, and 'Britain' is often used as shorthand rather than 'the UK.' A small query: do people from Northern Ireland call themselves 'British'? And are they 'British' citizens? I always assumed so, as they have identical legal rights, of course.
if youre from NI you are entitled to both British and Irish citizenship.

legally you get the same rights as those in the rest of the UK, as its under British jurisdiction, plus some more

Northern Irish people can also run for office in the Republic (for example, President Mary McAleese is from Belfast), and i think we can vote in the Republic as well

Ok, I stand corrected. Looking at it all again, I can see what you mean.

England, Wales, Scotland, The six counties and Eire please (has that made things complicated?) or would like a larger shovel for that big hole what you dug yourself Slums? :D

England, Wales, Scotland, The six counties and Eire please (has that made things complicated?) or would like a larger shovel for that big hole what you dug yourself Slums? :D

In the end I just got confused as to what you wanted to be called (I know what countries are in what) and decided you guys dont actually know, so like the good dictator I am I just ignored you and did it my own way :p

no, northen irish people cant vote in the republic as you said it is under British jurisdiction and laws. anyway the uk, Ni and Eire is geographically (did i spell that right) called the british isles so i supose if you didnt want to learn the specifics you could call us all that.

"The Six Counties" would be just as bad as calling Northern Ireland "the Province."